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Damages awarded to families of fatal raw meat poisoning victims

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There is a very good reason to cook meat before you eat it, and this is it. The operator of this chain needs to make people sign a waiver if they are going to eat raw meat. It’s just a gamble! Even under the most strict of hygienic conditions there are harmful bacteria living within the meat. Raw chicken is even more dangerous.

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The operator of this chain needs to make people sign a waiver if they are going to eat raw meat. 

Right, and every person who eats raw fish at a sushi shop will need to do the same. No I don't think so, the people have the right to expect that the establishment is following sanitary guidelines, and they have the choice to eat it or not.

The establishment is getting off easy in my opinion.

Even under the most strict of hygienic conditions there are harmful bacteria living within the meat. Raw chicken is even more dangerous.

True, yet it's again up to the person who orders it. A warning in the menu should be enough.

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@Yubaru - Right, and every person who eats raw fish at a sushi shop will need to do the same. 

No, that’s not necessary because fish does not carry the same bacteria and/parasites that make people sick.

@Yubaru - Your last comment contradicts the first. A warning on the menu would be good, but it does not free the operator. Yes, it’s a persons choice, but these people made the choice, got sick and died, then they sued the restaurant.

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Homo Erectus discovered the use of fire for cooking meat 600,000 years ago.

Scientists widely believe this is what set humans on their evolutionary path - esp of brain development.

Less we forget.

And that doesn't excuse the restaurant for unsanitary practices.

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Restaurants must abide by all sanitary laws, no excuse for that.

But please cook the meat before eating it, that is what we (humans) have been doing for thousands of years. In my opinion there will always be a risk in eating raw meat.

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How about steak tartare, or even rare steak and hamburgers, and Korean Yukhoe?

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Your last comment contradicts the first. A warning on the menu would be good, but it does not free the operator. Yes, it’s a persons choice, but these people made the choice, got sick and died, then they sued the restaurant.

No it doesn't, as I was responding to

The operator of this chain needs to make people sign a waiver if they are going to eat raw meat.

That is ludicrous in this country, as you would have to do the same for any establishment that serves raw food. Hence the comment about adding a disclaimer in the menu.

And it is ludicrous, "Oh hey, you have to sign this before you can eat here!"

Think about that....there would be NO end to the paperwork, just to get a bite to eat. Raw veggies, folks here have died from poorly handled veggies, so gotta include them.

Raw fish, don't begin to talk about all the potential there, raw chicken, you even stated that one.

Yeah, it's a dumb idea in my opinion, and a great way to lose business.

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As a vegetarian my comment may be bias, but still, $1.5m for 5 people death money is pretty cheap.

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Humans eat raw fish and meat, as long as it's fresh and handled in sanitary conditions. There is a lot of the inevitable victim blaming going on here. I happen to like steak tartare and good raw meat, just as I like sashimi. I can't see the difference, why is one food group acceptable and not the other.

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Eating raw fish is one thing. (I do)

But eating raw meat?!!  What are you thinking folks?!!

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 good raw meat, just as I like sashimi. I can't see the difference, why is one food group acceptable and not the other.

Sorry to disagree mate, but the fish I just ate at the sushi restaurant I go to was caught and served that day.

That steak your eating could be a few days old...if not more.

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the fish I just ate at the sushi restaurant I go to was caught and served that day.

I doubt the fish was caught the same day especially if its sea fish.

All living organisms, including fish, can have parasites. Parasites are a natural occurrence, not contamination. They are as common in fish as insects are in fruits and vegetables. Parasites do not present a health concern in thoroughly cooked fish.

Roundworms called nematodes are the most common parasite found in marine fishes. 

Sushi eaters don't typically have to worry because sushi restaurants take certain steps in handling and preparing their fish. A required step involves freezing fish at temperatures of -4 degrees Fahrenheit (-20 degrees Celsius) for seven days, or frozen at -31 degrees Fahrenheit (-35 degrees Celsius) for 15 hours, which kills any parasites.

Most meat when transported involves freezing it which will kill any parasites.

I like my beef steak undercooked with a little blood and sometimes lamb too but chicken and pork I cook well.

Above all its very important to keep a clean kitchen especially the area for preparing foods. If I use a knife for cutting fish or meat I sterilize it with boiling water. Never cut different meats without cleaning the knife. Many people would be shocked if they knew just dirty their kitchens really are. I use alcohol spray on the worktops.

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Don't really understand this country's fascination with eating food raw. Sushi is OK but cook the rest for me.

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the fish I just ate at the sushi restaurant I go to was caught and served that day.

Then you must have gone to a crap sushi restaurant, because the good ones would never serve you a fish caught that day.

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Some sushi restaurants keep their fish alive until required. Once I had to go to a sushi restaurant in Hakone where we were served "live sushi" which disturbed me but because of the company I was in, and also the master of the sushi restaurant was one of the most respected and just had to eat it.

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why is one food group acceptable and not the other.

hint...5 people dead. Fugu is different before you argue back as it is a poisonous fish.

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@zichi. I want to add to your comment, don’t store raw fish with meat or use the the same knife or chopping board. Also don’t store red and white meat together. Stay safe.

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Above all its very important to keep a clean kitchen especially the area for preparing foods. 

Two cutting boards is also a wise choice for meat eaters. Glass for meat, bamboo or wood for everything else.

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Then you must have gone to a crap sushi restaurant, because the good ones would never serve you a fish caught that day.

Certainly not crap. Whatever gave you that idea?

You'd better stick with スシロー since that's all you appear to be familiar with.

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All readers back on topic please. This story is not about sushi. Posts that do not focus on the story will be removed.

Must admit, I do occasionally go for raw horse or raw chicken. But stories like this do cause a mild worry. Then again, it's not that commonplace, is it?

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Must admit, I do occasionally go for raw horse or raw chicken.

I got food poisoning from raw (well seared) chicken last year. I'm done with that!

I eat raw horse occasionally. It freaks me out being raw, but it's so good, so I still eat it anyways.

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Most meat is frozen or chilled to a temperature that will kill bacteria immediately after slaughter. Anyway, many cooked meats are better after it's been hung for a few days. 21 day hung beef is delicious.

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Hell raw goat meat is great too! Raw liver, raw chicken, raw fish, all of them!

Just go to a reputable establishment and not one that prides itself on LOW prices!

You do get what you pay for!

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There is a very good reason to cook meat before you eat it, and this is it.

It's a reason not to eat raw meat at a restaurant with a disregard for food hygiene, and to be sensibly aware of the risks if you eat raw meat anywhere else. It is not a reason to cook all meat before serving it. A lot of meat isn't cooked at all - cured sausages like salami for example; and salted or dried meat. At the same time, a lot of "cooked" meat doesn't uniformly reach bacteria killing temperature - it's pink or red in the middle.

To insist that all meat should be cooked is either to distort the definition of cooked or to throw out a whole lot of good food with the bad. And still get poisoned by undercooked hamburger...

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@wipeout...well said!

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Thank'ee.

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