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Japan's cumulative coronavirus cases top 1 million

When the right moment Japan can show this "achievement" of course during Olympic, is that a coincidence?

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Just like many many others I wonder what the true number is. Of course we will never know

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For a country of 126 million it is less than 1 percent, and that the vast majority recover themselves is something manageable.

Speed vaccinations..

Go Japan !!..

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this is getting crazy. I guess China finally got the mixture correct.

top lol

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Reads like part of Suga’s plan(?) to deal with the presently, overextended health care crisis in Japan:

*- @7:29am: “recover themselves is something manageable.” -*

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How many people are hospitalized?

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Japan's cumulative coronavirus cases top 1 million

Just like many many others I wonder what the true number is. Of course we will never know

There was an article here on JT about 6 months ago or so saying that the actual case number and deaths could be up to 9 times higher than reported in Japan.

Different international news sources said that the US, India, Brazil, and other countries could have as much as 10 times the number of cases and the number of deaths.

If that is indeed true, this pandemic is a lot deadlier than we are aware about.

But you are 100% correct that we will never know, so its pointless to argue one way or another.

Even with the Spanish flu the Death toll estimates has some people saying it ranged from between 20 million and 50 million, while more conservative estimates are at 17 million with the highest at 100 million.

Even today we don't know. And I doubt we will ever know the real numbers. But I do believe the numbers are higher than given and I don't think this pandemic is through with us yet.

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If that is indeed true, this pandemic is a lot deadlier than we are aware about.

The total actual deaths figure is pretty hard to dispute.

Japan did not have excess deaths in 2020. That is a very reliable fact.

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The total actual deaths figure is pretty hard to dispute.

Japan did not have excess deaths in 2020. That is a very reliable fact.

Yeah, I usually spent 20K yearly on drinks out of a total annual expenditure of 100K but due to the pandemic and staying home my expenditure on drinks increased to 30K but my overall expenditure didn't show any excess and stayed at 100K. I hope you see how brilliant your logic is.

Anyway, without data for the previous years and for the pandemic doesn't help your argument,

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The total actual deaths figure is pretty hard to dispute.

Japan did not have excess deaths in 2020. That is a very reliable fact.

No it isn't. If you don't test enough, which Japan is not doing, then if someone does die of Covid but wasn't tested for it, then it is not counted as a death

Not to mention those that died from pre existing conditions that were made worse by covid leading to their deaths. Even though the direct cause was not covid, the virus worsened their preexisting conditions leading to their deaths. This is extremely hard to count.

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then if someone does die of Covid but wasn't tested for it, then it is not counted as a death

sorry, I meant a covid death.

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Olympics will be over in two days.

Expect those numbers to be higher latest by end of August.

Should make Suga think when he is being told that there is a "potential" collapse of the medical system.

Potential in Japan means it has already happened, but maybe he doesn't understand his native language?

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Nothing in this article about deaths or death rates, especially from the Delta variant. Cumulatively, Japan has had about 15,000 deaths reported from COVID in the past 18 months. But the death rates have been trending down dramatically with the Delta variant, which is why the journalists leave it out of their stories. The current wave is more contagious but less fatal.

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The cumulative numbers are nothing more than archival records. Besides, the confirmed case numbers can vary depending on local testing regimes and procedural technicality.

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Well played, Mr Kono, well played.... have an equal number of people been vaccinated yet?

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But the death rates have been trending down dramatically with the Delta variant, which is why the journalists leave it out of their stories. The current wave is more contagious but less fatal.

Invalid conclusion that is based on the assumption vaccinations had no effect, which is obviously nonsense. The current wave is more contagious but the most vulnerable population is better protected.

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The total actual deaths figure is pretty hard to dispute.

Japan did not have excess deaths in 2020. That is a very reliable fact.

Which is useless without proper epidemiological analysis, the measures against the pandemic have had a deep impact on other causes of death, assuming everything else is the same is not valid.

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But the death rates have been trending down dramatically with the Delta variant, which is why the journalists leave it out of their stories. The current wave is more contagious but less fatal.

Similar to last summer. Last year's summer wave of cases had a very small increase in deaths compared to winter. Vitamin D?

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Just like many many others I wonder what the true number is. Of course we will never know

We will never know in any country, because a majority of cases are asymptomatic and thus many cases are not identified. However its clear that given Japans restrictive testing polices the reported number here is a much smaller percent of actual cases than in other developed countries.

Given that mainly only moderate/severe cases are tested, and that estimates of asymptomatic are as high as 50%, and mild cases could be around 30%, plus factor in general barriers in Japan (testing fee, people unable to take time of work) I think its reasonable to assume its at least 10 times higher than reported numbers.

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he total actual deaths figure is pretty hard to dispute.

Japan did not have excess deaths in 2020. That is a very reliable fact.

No it isn't. If you don't test enough, which Japan is not doing, then if someone does die of Covid but wasn't tested for it, then it is not counted as a death

You seem not understand excess death and its indication. People die of various causes, some unknown or unconfirmed which excess death number helps identify.

In 2020 Japan's excess death number went negative despite the public health crisis. Many other countries raised excess deaths during the same period due to unreported/under-reported cases.

For state policymakers, identifying how many are covid deaths is NOT really the top issue; their ultimate goal is to save as many lives as possible from various life threatening causes. To check excess death is thus significant in this regard.

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That's a million known cases -- the real number of COVID infections is probably at least double that number.

And the total number of deaths is around 15,000 -- meaning that this virus' fatality rate is a sliver of one percent.

That's comparable to the fatality rate of the common flu.

And yet this is the virus over which we've:

... shuttered entire economies,

... strapped on face-diapers that don't even work very well and that dehumanize us into faceless, emotionless drones who get dizzy from oxygen intake reduction,

... treated each other for 18 months basically like lepers,

... use scare tactics and fear-mongering to control people, push ideologies, and grant unfettered power to control-freak politicians and bureaucrats who, now that they've gotten that power, will be very unlikely to give it up

... shamed and pressured people into having injected into their bodies an artificial chemical that didn't even exist less than a year ago and whose long-term side effects are unknown (I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I'm against forcing people in any way -- be it legal mandates or banishments from things like restaurants and public transportation -- to get one)

A century or two from now, history will look back on us and shake their heads over how willing we were to yield control of our lives because of this virus, and to allow it to cause neurotic fear to be the dominant emotion in our lives.

I hope so, anyway.

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i miss info how many cumulative death caused by covid?just to have idea how many deaths caused from infected population of 1 million...

why you always "forget" to inform us in full?

mistake or purpose?I know 1 million of cases may seems a big threat and people may be afraid but...?

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Some commentators do not seem to understand the excess death - concept. Nothing to do with testing or covid. Simply counting the average number of people that die monthly in the country. So you have historical data on how many people died for example in January 2015. Then you can compare this value to excess deaths in Jan 2019, Jan 2020, Jan 2021, etc. Some countries show a huge peak due to deaths from covid, others show almost no change from previous years.

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Huge amount for an island nation; far exceeding other island nations like Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, Malta.

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> You seem not understand excess death and its indication. People die of various causes, some unknown or unconfirmed which excess death number helps identify.

that has NOTHING to do with what we are talking about here. We are talking about actual number of covid cases and deaths. People dying of other things is not the topic here.

In 2020 Japan's excess death number went negative despite the public health crisis. Many other countries raised excess deaths during the same period due to unreported/under-reported cases.

That is virtually impossible. how can a nation's death number go negative? Do you mean that the number of births exceeded the number of deaths? Do you mean that less people died in 2020 than in previous years? If so that is also IMPOSSIBLE. Even without a pandemic the number of deaths and the population decline INCREASED EVERY YEAR. Japan has a rapidly aging society, so pandemic or not, the deaths will increase. Not even sure what you mean by negative death number...

For state policymakers, identifying how many are covid deaths is NOT really the top issue;

You're right. Underreporting it for the sake of the Olympics is.

their ultimate goal is to save as many lives as possible from various life threatening causes.

If that were true they wouldn't have held the Olympics.

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No it isn't. If you don't test enough, which Japan is not doing, then if someone does die of Covid but wasn't tested for it, then it is not counted as a death

lol, yes it is. it gets count as a death. if you look at the excess death count Japan lost fewer people during 2020

Fewer Annual Deaths in Japan with Negative Excess Mortality for COVID-19

https://asploro.com/fewer-annual-deaths-in-japan-with-negative-excess-mortality-for-covid-19/

You simply refuse to believe the numbers because you are blinded by hate.

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No it isn't. If you don't test enough, which Japan is not doing, then if someone does die of Covid but wasn't tested for it, then it is not counted as a death

lol, yes it is. it gets count as a death.

No it doesn't! How could it?? IF you don't know someone HAD COVID, how can you then know that they died from Covid?

You simply refuse to believe the numbers because you are blinded by hate.

LOL! Look whose talking!

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I don't see or hear of multitudes dropping dead like flies out of the 1 million infected.

While it is a nasty disease for the elderly and others with health problems, it doesn't seem serious for the very vast majority of the population.

To vaccinate or not to vaccinate? It's a personal decision.

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 if you look at the excess death count Japan lost fewer people during 2020

Fewer Annual Deaths in Japan with Negative Excess Mortality for COVID-19

https://asploro.com/fewer-annual-deaths-in-japan-with-negative-excess-mortality-for-covid-19/

As for your link, first of all, excess deaths decreased because of a variety of factors:

People wore masks so there was less regular flu deaths than usual.

People largely stayed home last summer which meant that A. less people died from heatstroke, B. Less people died from car accidents due to less travel

More people working and studying from home meant less commuting by bikes and cars which means less accidents and deaths.

excess death does not mean that fewer people died from covid. What it means is that less people died from other causes due to the pandemic. It is not reflective of the covid numbers which is the subject of this thread

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You seem not understand excess death and its indication. People die of various causes, some unknown or unconfirmed which excess death number helps identify.*

that has NOTHING to do with what we are talking about here. We are talking about actual number of covid cases and deaths. People dying of other things is not the topic here.

In this section only, you may be right. To be exact, covid death is not even the central topic here.

For me, all deaths do matter, and the current state and media policy on covid seems unbalanced even failing to put things in perspective. Just for example, 19 new covid deaths were reported yesterday though there are approximately 4,000 die everyday in Japan.

In 2020 Japan's excess death number went negative despite the public health crisis. Many other countries raised excess deaths during the same period due to unreported/under-reported cases.

That is virtually impossible. how can a nation's death number go negative? Do you mean that the number of births exceeded the number of deaths? Do you mean that less people died in 2020 than in previous years?

I meant the comparison to the previous years, or just forgive my inaccurate English.

their ultimate goal is to save as many lives as possible from various life threatening causes.

If that were true they wouldn't have held the Olympics.

Though I remain critical to the Tokyo Games, again, Japan's covid deaths have always constituted a very tiny portion in the entire daily death tolls including excess deaths. If politicians stuck to covid only while ignoring bigger life threatening factors, they are failing and irresponsible.

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For me, all deaths do matter, and the current state and media policy on covid seems unbalanced even failing to put things in perspective.

I agree that all deaths matter but I personally disagree that we can overstate the seriousness of covid.

If politicians stuck to covid only while ignoring bigger life threatening factors, they are failing and irresponsible.

Of course. However, on the other hand, if they didn't treat this disease seriously- well, you end up with a covid situation like the US under Trump, or India and Brazil. We've seen countries pay the price for playing down the pandemic. Lets not make that mistake.

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That's comparable to the fatality rate of the common flu.

But again, this is the fatality rate of the disease while taking into account very heavy measures taken continuously against the sudden increase of cases that would convert a lot of hospitalizations into deaths.

You are seeing exactly the desired effect of the measures you are criticizing as unnecessary, that is obviously wrong.

While it is a nasty disease for the elderly and others with health problems, it doesn't seem serious for the very vast majority of the population.

The experts are saying precisely the opposite, the infection still represent a significant danger to young and healthy people even if less than for the most vulnerable population, this risk decreases even more with vaccination, but without it, and without access to the necessary hospital based treatments (as would happen with rampant spreading that surpasses the available places of treatment) it becomes a much more serious danger, that is why the people with expertise on the topic call for more care and better measures.

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While it is a nasty disease for the elderly and others with health problems, it doesn't seem serious for the very vast majority of the population.

> The experts are saying precisely the opposite

The experts at CDC say that over 75's are 230-600 times more at risk of death.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

Lets' protect those at serious risk and let everyone else go about their lives.

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The experts at CDC say that over 75's are 230-600 times more at risk of death.

And that is a completely different thing than saying that it is not serious for most of the population, you are making an invalid conclusion from what they say.

The experts are continously warning that the disease is still dangerous for people even if they have no obvious vulnerabilities, it is as easy as trying to find any medical or scientific organization that says most of the people don't have anything to worry about, you can try as much as you like and you will not find it, that is because they recommend exactly the opposite of what you believe. They have the experience and the data on their part, your personal opinion is just not enough to contradict them.

Lets' protect those at serious risk and let everyone else go about their lives.

This is another thing the experts have said is counterproductive, you can just search the widespread scientific and medical criticism of the barrington declaration to see what they think about this terrible advice.

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The experts are saying precisely the opposite, the infection still represent a significant danger to young and healthy people…

Please back this up with links as I do not believe there are ‘significant’ numbers of deaths nor are there ‘significant’ numbers of hospitalizations amongst the young.

I previously posted information which refutes your claim so post your links ok?

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That's comparable to the fatality rate of the common flu.

But again, this is the fatality rate of the disease while taking into account very heavy measures taken continuously against the sudden increase of cases that would convert a lot of hospitalizations into deaths.

Those measures are directed at decreasing the infection rate, not at decreasing the fatality rate.

However, what is unnecessarily worsening the fatality rate is the prohibition of certain safe and effective meds, which have been blocked for the sake of pushing vaccines onto everyone....

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On another related news between Jan 2020 to Jun 2021 there were 536 people confirmed deaths who died outside of medical facilities and were confirmed positive for corona virus - not much coverage on this news (link below) -

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20210806/p2a/00m/0na/017000c

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I'd say with a large degree of confidence that we could at least times this number by 7 to get a more accurate number.

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In 2020 Japan's excess death number went negative despite the public health crisis. Many other countries raised excess deaths during the same period due to unreported/under-reported cases.

That is assuming there is always supposed to be excess deaths, is the argument not about deaths from Covid-19 which we all know. what we all want to know is death figures for the various causes of death for 2020 and the pre-covid-19 years.

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Great relief, finally we are at the one-million club.

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@Aly Rustom

I politely suggest that you look up the definition of excess deaths.

That is virtually impossible. how can a nation's death number go negative? Do you mean that the number of births exceeded the number of deaths? Do you mean that less people died in 2020 than in previous years? If so that is also IMPOSSIBLE. Even without a pandemic the number of deaths and the population decline INCREASED EVERY YEAR. Japan has a rapidly aging society, so pandemic or not, the deaths will increase. Not even sure what you mean by negative death number...

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Given that mainly only moderate/severe cases are tested, and that estimates of asymptomatic are as high as 50%, and mild cases could be around 30%, plus factor in general barriers in Japan (testing fee, people unable to take time of work) I think its reasonable to assume its at least 10 times higher than reported numbers.

I agree that the actual number of infections is much higher, as you say at least 10x higher. So we are probably closer to "herd immunity" than most people think...

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Those measures are directed at decreasing the infection rate, not at decreasing the fatality rate.

What is the point of quoting something just to pretend it was not written there in the first place.

Specifically "...the sudden increase of cases that would convert a lot of hospitalizations into deaths."

This do not apply only to vulnerable population, young and healthy people are now making a lot of the hospitalizations for COVID. A person will run a very high risk of dying precisely because it can't get the hospital care that would have let him recover, and this will happen with a sudden increase of cases.

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Please back this up with links as I do not believe there are ‘significant’ numbers of deaths nor are there ‘significant’ numbers of hospitalizations amongst the young.

Anybody reading the news would have to be in deep denial to ignore this.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/health/covid-young-adults-sicker.html

https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/younger-people-in-us-getting-hit-hard-by-delta-variant

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/health/article/COVID-Help-Desk-Is-the-delta-variant-more-16364866.php

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It's not that the virus specifically targets the young.

As one of virusrex's reference mentions: “As older age groups get vaccinated, those who are younger and unvaccinated will be at higher risk of getting COVID-19 with any variant,”

Anyway, the article is about Japan, and in Japan there are still zero deaths among the below 20 years of age, after over 111,000 confirmed infections.

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it's not that the virus specifically targets the young.

Which is something nobody else but you have said, the end result is that young and healthy people are making most of the hospitalizations in many places, because of a combination of relaxations of social distancing measures and the delta variant being much more easily transmitted. This completely contradicts the claim that this is not serious for most of the population. Japan is not at that point but could easily reach it and that is why the experts are so dedicated to warn the population.

Also thinking people above 20 years old are not to be considered "young" is terribly irrational, almost as much as giving importance to what anybody but the experts (that have data) think about herd immunity.

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I politely suggest that you look up the definition of excess deaths.

I politely suggest that you Remain on topic which has nothing to do with excess deaths

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I would guess that the actual number of infected is much higher but because symptoms were mild or non existent they didn't bother getting tested or going to hospital. Why should they?

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