Gov't OKs Pfizer COVID vaccine for children aged 5-11

Why? Why risk kids lives with emergency use only Vaccines that have no long term side effect data???

Especially when unless they are severely ill already there is no chance of them dying or even getting severe effects from covid!

*Experts have been divided on *the necessity of vaccinating young children as they are unlikely to develop serious symptoms even if infected with the coronavirus that causes COVID-19

That is the keypoint!

Brilliant! Let's do something absolutely pointless, for absolutely no reason, because the government tells us to!

Let's all invent an effective and pointless action and coerce everyone into doing then complain that they are not "doing the right thing." Why doesn't everyone wear a blue t-shirt on Saturdays?? Why don't children drink tea at 11 o'clock every Monday? Come on, they don't harm you! What are you complaining about?? Traitors! Irresponsible citizens!

show that administration of the vaccine was 90.7 percent effective in preventing COVID-19 infections

It is always funny to see that they never finish this sentence...

*show that administration of the vaccine was 90.7 percent effective in preventing COVID-19 infections...*just temporary for about 4 - 6 months.

And then?

Should my kid take a booster which is also just temporary effective?...for just 10 weeks.

No thank you!

the Japanese Health Ministry should had focus on creating a stronger medical infrastructure instead of lockdowns and mandates. These several surges proves that vaccine cannot stop the virus.

Why? Why risk kids lives with emergency use only Vaccines that have no long term side effect data???

Especially when unless they are severely ill already there is no chance of them dying or even getting severe effects from covid!

Anyone voting down this comment comes across as being outright murderous. To that end, I'm surprised it hasn't been censored.

Personally I’m yet to be convinced of the benefits of vaccinating young children against COVID.

Maybe somebody can persuade me.....

I feel sorry for the children of people who will be duped into this by the msm and the government. I sincerely hope this is not something parents will be regretting down the road.

Useless to kids and I wont let mines to be a cobaye for bigpharma.

I mean don't they want this virus to be come endemic?? Who better to bring this about than a cohort who at worst only have mild symptoms?? So what if case numbers are up, as long as hospitalization isn't! The data shows children aren't at risk so who are they actually protecting by inoculating them?? The adults that are already inoculated???

Yet your beloved South African data is now showing many more children hospitalized with Covid @Sanjinosebleed, or do you know conveniently ignore this news as it doesn't suit your narrative? In fact, if you do a simple search you will find many reports published in the last 48 hours showing the trend.

Why? Why risk kids lives with emergency use only Vaccines that have no long term side effect data???

Because this lowers to the kids lives and health against an infectious disease much more risky than any vaccine and that have no long term side effects data either (which does not mean it has not been already related to long term / permanent health problems).

That is the keypoint!

How does this apply to the vaccine approval? you understand that many children are at a very increased risk from the infection and up until now have to deal with it without any vaccine right?

Brilliant! Let's do something absolutely pointless, for absolutely no reason, because the government tells us to!

The parents of children that are at high risk of serious problems or death from COVID would not consider protecting their kids lives something "pointless" or having "absolutely no reason", neither do they pediatricians. Maybe you could explain to them how their children's lives are of no importance.

And then?

And then what? even if the protection magically disappeared completely after this period the vaccinated people still got protection for all that time. What do you propose that could give the same benefit?

Should my kid take a booster which is also just temporary effective?...for just 10 weeks.

No thank you!

Same logic parents use to reject blood transfusions or antibiotics for their children, since apparently they are not guaranteed to solve the problem in one single application some parents think their children are better doing nothing.

Anyone voting down this comment comes across as being outright murderous

Well, the comment is false, people usually do not recieve well people attempting to deceive them. A child can be perfectly fine at the moment but having a preexisting condition that would make infection lethal.

Useless to kids and I wont let mines to be a cobaye for bigpharma.

Pharmaceutical companies are not the main people pushing for the approval, doctors and experts working against infectious diseases are. This is because the vaccine is NOT useless for kids.

I mean don't they want this virus to be come endemic?? Who better to bring this about than a cohort who at worst only have mild symptoms??

This has a very easy answer, a vaccinated cohort who will have a much better prognosis after exposure than those without the vaccine. For your argument it is irrelevant that children only die at a fraction of the adults, you need to prove vaccination would not make them die even less.

A vaccine was approved for use, no one has to take it if they don't want to.

Everyone losing their minds lol

I won't be vaccinating my kids against a virus with minor flu like symptoms!

But everyone do as you please !

@John

Risks of vaccine are low

Who knows what’s next with this pandemic. A delta version of omicron could be around the corner, which could change the risk benefit calculation.

Good luck traveling with an unvaccinated child.

Kids still spread the virus, prolonging the pandemic.

Kids in Japan are given pretty much every vaccine available to humankind. I don’t understand what’s so different about this one.

True, long term risks are unknown, but a lot of the fears, such as the vaccine alters your DNA, are theoretically and physiologically impossible.

That is the keypoint!

How does this apply to the vaccine approval? you understand that many children are at a very increased risk from the infection and up until now have to deal with it without any vaccine right?

It has absolutely nothing to do with the approval of the vaccine, because my post has absolutely nothing to do with the approval of the vaccine.

It seems that you do not understand the keypoint or let me better say that you ignore, like always, the keypoint.

Let me explain it to you again:

Even your so highly admired experts are now divided about the vaccine and questioned the necessity of vaccinating young children.

So why are the experts divided?

Because some of them start to understand that it makes no sense, that is meaningless or even dangerous to vaccinate young kids, with a vaccine which has just a very short time effectiveness and, to come back to the article, are unlikely to develop serious symptoms even if infected with the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.

That is the keypoint.

Virusrex, the parents of children who are at risk will, like they do with every other potential illness that they are at increased risk of, take the necessary precautions for their child. Some children can't survive if they come into contact with air. I don't see the government mandating that every single child must live in an enclosed, airtight room. Would be ludicrous, wouldn't it...

Some children can't survive if they come into contact with air. I don't see the government mandating that every single child must live in an enclosed, airtight room. Would be ludicrous, wouldn't it...

I think you mean 'unfiltered air' but it's ok, your basic point is 100% correct.

51 people!

Which vaccine is that? If you are talking about the Pfizer vaccine, at least for someone without serious underlying medical conditions, the Pfizer vaccine is more likely to kill you than Covid, according to Pfizers own trial data. At least after 2 months when Pfizer abruptly ceased the placebo group in the trials.

This is well debunked dangerous disinformation.

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2021/08/no-more-vaccinated-people-didnt-die-from-covid-in-pfizers-vaccine-trial.html

Also the clinical trials are just a tiny spec of the evidence available that proves the vaccines work reducing negative outcomes from the infection, this evidence comes from all over the world where the vaccines are used, and clearly say your comment is false.

PaulToday  08:55 am JST

Risks of vaccine are low

Which vaccine is that? If you are talking about the Pfizer vaccine, at least for someone without serious underlying medical conditions, the Pfizer vaccine is more likely to kill you than Covid, 

This is simply dumb.

Billions have been inoculated with Pfizer, 2 or 3 times.

Where are the bodies?

This is a mistake of epic proportions.

Parents, your children’s lives are your responsibility, not the states’.

Say no, protect them from this unnecessary invasion of their perfect immune systems, and stand tall in your decision!

Japan Inc is choosing to be dictated to by pharmaceutical companies, putting your children and Japan’s future, at risk.

Waste of time. The vaccine is basically useless against Omicron, which is the dominant variant. Kids that age are more likely to be hospitalized or die from influenza, anyway.

we are happy to leave our jabs for others who are interested to be part of this experiment.

If you consider public immunization an experiment not vaccinating is still being part of it, the children not vaccinated are included in the high risk group.

Parents, your children’s lives are your responsibility, not the states

That would be a self contradicting argument, precisely because the children lives are a responsibility of the parents is why they should be able to choose to vaccinate them, which is what will happen from now.

The data that proves vaccines are safe for children (and that children are being affected in many ways by the pandemic, including death) do not depen on any pharmaceutical company, this is just a false argument.

Waste of time. The vaccine is basically useless against Omicron, which is the dominant variant. Kids that age are more likely to be hospitalized or die from influenza, anyway.

For the parents of children that are at real risk of death by any respiratory infection this is no waste of time at all, you may want to consider those lives irrelevant, but their families and doctors don't.

And no, there is no higher risk from influenza than from COVID, not even from Omicron, the sheer number of hospitaliations (and deaths on countries where they have happened) show a much higher risk from COVID than from influenza in the same year. Using influenza numbers from years without social distancing, mask use, etc. is obviously invalid.

A vaccine was approved for use, no one has to take it if they don't want to.

Everyone losing their minds lol

Unfortunately, many people think that because something is approved, it must be safe and perfectly fine. But that is not the case. Leading to the approval in the US, some members of the FDA expert panel raised serious concerns, some making statements similar to those above, that the risk-benefit ratio for kids was not worth it. One "expert" (Eric Rubin) saying something like "we'll only know whether it's safe for kids if we start giving it".

Among the few that voted to approve it did so mainly because they wanted to make sure that the vulnerable kids that need it should have access.

But for healthy kids, the vaccines are much riskier than the virus. That was true before, and now with Omicron it is truer than ever.

But for healthy kids, the vaccines are much riskier than the virus. That was true before, and now with Omicron it is truer than ever.

So people must listen to your recommendation instead of the health professionals who approved the use of the vaccines?

C'mon man you listen to Joe Rogan for health advice

Unfortunately, many people think that because something is approved, it must be safe and perfectly fine.

Which is solved by informing them (a requisite for the use of any medical intervention) that the approval means the intervention is safer than not doing it.

One "expert" (Eric Rubin) saying something like "we'll only know whether it's safe for kids if we start giving it".

That is completely false, the fact that you needed to falsify his comment (even if it is easy to find the correct quote) indicates your interest is not in having an honest discussion but to mislead people into making wrong health care decisions.

The real quote is “we’re never going to learn about how safe this vaccine is unless we start giving it.” which makes complete sense, the vaccine is much safer than covid, and that is clear from the data he examined, but the only way to know how much safer is after using it, it may be 100, or 1000 or 10,000 times safer.

But for healthy kids, the vaccines are much riskier than the virus. That was true before, and now with Omicron it is truer than ever.

This is just a baseless statement not supported by any evidence, just a product of your imagination, as such it can be called disinformation.

You have never provided any data that shows any population of children having higher risk from the vaccines than from COVID.

Data from clinical trials conducted by Pfizer in the United States and other countries show that administration of the vaccine was 90.7 percent effective in preventing COVID-19 infections in children aged 5 to 11.

BS! This number is pure propaganda at this point. This is not valid any more.

Only children with comorbidities, risks factors (like obesity) or who are immunosuppressed should be vaccinated to protect them against complications associated with COVID-19. This is essentially similar to the policy used for influenza. The rest of them should get a natural immunity since it is such better than vaccination. Many studies have proven that now including a study published two days ago from CDC that shows that natural acquired immunity against COVID-19 prior to Delta was better at protecting the population for infections and hospitalization against the Delta variant in comparison to the vaccinated population without a previous diagnosis of COVID-19. In fact although the study still advocates mass vaccination, it's clear now that this mass vaccination policy does not make that much sense for the large population with low pre-existing risks with COVID-19. Given also that the available vaccines do not stop infection and transmission.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/pdfs/mm7104e1-H.pdf

Govt will also take no responsibility if your kid dies or has a severe reaction to a vaccine.

we are happy to leave our jabs for others who are interested to be part of this experiment.

enjoy.

Not that easy.

You are part of this experiment though you chose to be in the control group.

But in the control group you don't even have the benefit of a placebo, you know very wellthat you are unprotected.

You can track the results of this experiment if you want, there are daily reports.

Haven't checked for some time but last time I did there were 11 times more unvaccinated dead bodies than vaccinated.

It's ok though, you may be 11 times more likely to die if infected and unvaccinated, but at least you saved yourself the unimaginable pain of a teeny weeny little jab

 In fact although the study still advocates mass vaccination, it's clear now that this mass vaccination policy does not make that much sense for the large population with low pre-existing risks with COVID-19. Given also that the available vaccines do not stop infection and transmission.

Your own source explicitly contradicts your statement,

 Primary COVID-19 vaccination, additional doses, and booster doses are recommended by CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices to ensure that all eligible persons are up to date with COVID-19 vaccination, which provides the most robust protection against initial infection, severe illness, hospitalization, longterm sequelae, and death.

If you are going to present a study with a conclusion that disproves your argument you can't just make up a different conclusion and paste it over it. The data presented support the original conclusion from the authors, and your own personal opinion not. According to the authors vaccination is recommended for anybody for whom is available because it lowers their risks.

But for healthy kids, the vaccines are much riskier than the virus. That was true before, and now with Omicron it is truer than ever.

So people must listen to your recommendation instead of the health professionals who approved the use of the vaccines?

People should perhaps listen to the expert panel discussion that led to the approval. Many things are mentioned that are not found in press releases....

People should perhaps listen to the expert panel discussion that led to the approval. Many things are mentioned that are not found in press releases....

Discussion that lead to the approval..

Are you sure you are of sound mind?

You are basing your conclusions on the same things the expert panel did, but your conclusions are different from the expert panel.

And you think people should listen to you instead of the panel?

People should perhaps listen to the expert panel discussion that led to the approval. Many things are mentioned that are not found in press releases....

But thank you for posting this I of course considered the possibility that you may have new information to base your conclusion on

As others have posted, why jab children with something they don't need? Children have a strong immune system. Jabs are unnecessary and no long term data is available.

@Raw Beer. How do you feel about the data from South Africa? Showing more kids in hospital.

And no one questions this "government panel" about giving experimental vaccines to kids who are not at risk from COVID? Remember Big Pharma can't be sued and want trial information suppressed for 55 years.

As others have posted, why jab children with something they don't need? Children have a strong immune system. Jabs are unnecessary and no long term data is available.

It would be best if you question each of your assertions yourself and find the answers

Start with "children have a strong immune system"

At what age is the immune system fully developed?

Unnecessary for children without underlying health conditions. No children under 10 in Japan have died with Covid and that includes all children, even those with health issues. In fact for anyone without health issues, Covid is rarely fatal especially children, as shown in this U.K. data here of deaths from Covid alone

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021?fbclid=IwAR2j_Xc9hd62hK8bWy-unPYmSnVsU_TT9ee2J0exGnPnjT0LLI559eg4lJ8

Yes now we have the US wanting to vaccinate 2-4 year olds with 3 micro doses.

It’s a cash grab by Pfizer and their mates and hopefully this is being realised by many now including governments

And no one questions this "government panel" about giving experimental vaccines to kids who are not at risk from COVID? Remember Big Pharma can't be sued and want trial information suppressed for 55 years.

What questions should we ask them then?

Basically, why do you think they are recommending the vaccines contrary to their sworn duty to prevent harm to people and preserve life?

No way will I put my kids at risk of getting harmed from this vaccine. Informed consent is not something they are capable of.

No way will I put my kids at risk of getting harmed from this vaccine. Informed consent is not something they are capable of.

Don't they have adult guardians that can decide?

You are basing your conclusions on the same things the expert panel did, but your conclusions are different from the expert panel.

And you think people should listen to you instead of the panel?

No, I am saying that people should listen to both of us. I explained this at 10:40 above, I summarized some key points from the expert panel.

No, I am saying that people should listen to both of us.

Ok

@Raw Beer. How do you feel about the data from South Africa? Showing more kids in hospital.

How many, if any, are hospitalized because of Covid?

Anyone who is hospitalized for whatever reason will be tested for Covid, some will test positive.

So if you have a highly transmissible virus spreading throughout the country....

You can deny all you want @Raw Beer. Simple facts are, you are wrong.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/omicron-greater-risk-for-young-than-other-variants-us-trends-follow-south-africa-uk.html

As others have posted, why jab children with something they don't need? 

By the same reason the others have been refuted, because they do need it.

People should perhaps listen to the expert panel discussion that led to the approval

Definitely, they should not trust people that completely misrepresent what it is said there to promote their antivaxxer agenda. But as mentioned, since the people that are best prepared to understand the evidence ended up approving the vaccines the information is going to be supportive to that.

Jabs are unnecessary and no long term data is available.

Vaccines are necessary as long as they reduce the risk, precisely because long term data on COVID is unavailable and even short and mid term are identifying more and more risks associated with the infection.

And no one questions this "government panel" about giving experimental vaccines to kids who are not at risk from COVID? 

That may be because the premise is false, children are at risk from COVID, no population is excepted from negative consequences for their health by the pandemic.

Remember Big Pharma can't be sued and want trial information suppressed for 55 years.

The data that supports the safety of the vaccines do not depend on any pharmaceutical company, and obviously the data that shows the much higher risk from COVID either, this argument is false. (and yes, the can be sued and no, they are not suppresing trial information, those are also false arguments).

Unnecessary for children without underlying health conditions. No children under 10 in Japan have died with Covid and that includes all children, even those with health issues. In fact for anyone without health issues, Covid is rarely fatal especially children, as shown in this U.K. data here of deaths from Covid alone

This is a flawed argument, first because death (and specially immediate death) is not the only negative outcome of being infected, and second because even if rare if this can be reduced more thanks to vaccines then that is the justification, many children are already vaccinated against pathogens that do not kill any children, COVID is no different in this aspect.

No way will I put my kids at risk of getting harmed from this vaccine. Informed consent is not something they are capable of.

Nor they are supposed to, how do you think children have surgeries, treatments, therapy, etc? all those things require informed consent.

How many, if any, are hospitalized because of Covid?

If you say vaccines are more risky than COVID this information is absolutely necessary, by recognizing you don't know it it means you accept your previous statement is baseless.

Looks like the adults won’t be getting their booster shots easily as I predict a definite shortage once the kids start getting vaccinated. I fully support adult vaccination but kids using this vaccination seems unnecessary since we still don’t know the long term ( like 10-20 years later ) effects of this!

TheResident

Fact Check time. More hospital admissions are true for kids with Omicron but they are not kept in hospital and symptoms are not more severe. There's an increase in children taken to hospitals by their parents in all countries as their variant spreads faster and more easily. However, the hospitals are not full of kids with severe conditions or dying.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/28/health/omicron-kids-hospitalizations.html

Virusrex

Oh, so no deaths in children is a flawed argument, no deaths in 2 years! What evidence do you have of any long term negative effects from healthy children in Japan who contracted Covid vs those vaccinated?

Only thing flawed is your logic. A virus without fatalities, and you want kiddies vaccinated 3 times in case of what exactly?

It’s sad how some people here are so conditioned to accept everything the government says as true and necessary. Of course it’s the same voices spouting off the approved narrative day after day on this site. Wonder when the mods will block comments?

well it seems to me plenty of people here do question the government panel, but the problem is that all of them are unable to comprehend what the panel is discussing about nor the content of the documents they produce. So when you can’t intellectually process facts, a person will rely on what they are most comfortable with: their fears.

Gaslighting is not presenting facts, it's merely a toxic form of pursuasion used to make others believe their thinking is wrong.

Why not research more, gaslight less.

Looks like the adults won’t be getting their booster shots easily as I predict a definite shortage once the kids start getting vaccinated

Predictions are like conclusions, more likely to ba true if based on facts:

According to the ministry, vaccine doses for children in the age group will contain one-third of the adult dose. A vaccine specifically made for children will be used despite the active ingredients being the same.

To ian and Lovecrafting...

Children, boys especially, have a greater risk of contracting Myocarditis from the MRNA vaccines than from contracting Covid-19.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLsN4CykjkE

According to Pfizers trial data which they abruptly halted after 2 months, slightly more people in the placebo group died of Covid than in the vaccine group but the vaccine group recorded many more deaths from all causes. The reason they halted it after 2 months was because the gap was widening not in Pfizers favor.

The bodies are in the ground, ashes scattered in the wind or whatever the local custom is.

You said " the Pfizer vaccine is more likely to kill you than Covid, "

Where are the bodies?

“Trust the Science” folks, it’s for your own good

If that is true more people should be dying due to Pfizer vaccine than covid right?

Yes Virusrex, I have plenty of evidence, otherwise I wouldn’t keep posting factual information which you counter with speculation and theories.

Firstly, most kids are taken to hospital by concerned parents with cold like symptoms, of course parents have concern with all the media hype. That’s what parents do with children, I went to the doctor and hospital countless times as a small child, it’s called normal behaviour.

Flu hospitalises more children than Covid. Don’t just take my word for it though of course

https://www.hcplive.com/view/high-influenza-hospitalization-rates-israel

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34107134/

As for children, they are not completely safe of anything as are all humans and also the vaccines are not totally safe either. There is no such thing as no risk in our lives and that applies to everything. Your arguments regarding vaccinating children are deeply flawed and the scientific data has shown this, or will you claim the info and links provided are from unreliable sources or pseudo science etc etc?

To ian and Lovecrafting...

Children, boys especially, have a greater risk of contracting Myocarditis from the MRNA vaccines than from contracting Covid-19.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLsN4CykjkE

The article is about something about 12 - 15 year olds , I didnt read beyond that

Blastcaptain

Think there could be a fair element of truth in your theory, judging by the persons recent comments

Just hope they don't mandate it for kids to go to school like they are doing in New Zealand.

Whats with all the people using the worst references for their antivaxxer claims? if you are going to be against the science then own it. Instead people are concluding the opposite of what the author of a study did, using a debunked preprint that lies about the data on VAERS or even a study that compares flu and covid but cheating by not explaining how the flu was counted including a year without any social distancing and covid counted mostly under it and with lots of people fully vaccinated.. Just do as the blastcaptain and fully own the antiscience by calling all the doctors of the world liars because they want to let families vaccine their kids

Theonephil

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34107134/

Kniknakknikkaer

Actually the study was done at the same time and saw that flu was more dangerous, Historical data was nit used as clearly shown in the data.

You think data from Israeli scientists is from weirdos on the web?

“the Japanese Health Ministry should had focus on creating a stronger medical infrastructure instead of lockdowns and mandates. “

This is NOT true. There are no lockdowns and mandates in Japan. Vaccines are voluntary. Parents can make decisions. I have been COVID vax free.

Nepal

No children under 10 have died from Covid in Japan, scientific fact,

No children under 10 have died from Covid in Japan, scientific fact,

Yes! And that is out of over 110,000 confirmed infections!

https://toyokeizai.net/sp/visual/tko/covid19/en.html

Anyway, I'm surprised Japan's health ministry hasn't been encouraging people to increase their vitamin D intake.

falseflagsteve

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/03/02/children-flu-deaths/

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3

Just give up, do as blastcaptain and abandon all pretenses if 99.99% of the doctors say vaccines are safe obviously that is because big pharma pays them all so they can make one dime back from vaccines from every dollar paid to them. Totally rational argument because if you don't believe it you are mind controlled.

Theonephil

You appear to misunderstand my posts or possibly confuse me with another poster. I have not mentioned the safety of the vaccines, I have not discouraged anyone from taking vaccines, quite the opposite actually.

I only post links to official data and factual information. You can check yourself for deaths under 10 from Covid in Japan, it’s zero, officially.

In the United States the figures are unreliable as it’s not stated whether with or of Covid. People admitted to hospital whether from a car crash or cancer who have a positive test are called 'Covid deaths if they pass away. With such an infectious disease, you are bound to have a large amount of infected without symptoms dying of other causes, the data you provided does nit provide these necessary details to show evidence of anything.

However I do have one just released by the U.K. government showing deaths by Covid not with Covid. BTW the average age of death was 82 years old, higher than the U.K. life expectancy.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021?fbclid=IwAR2j_Xc9hd62hK8bWy-unPYmSnVsU_TT9ee2J0exGnPnjT0LLI559eg4lJ8

Should have done this at the start. Kids are seeding the virus, and many unmasked in trains and markets.

@treble

3 shots + N95 mask doesn't stop Omicron. I know many that got it this way.

I have absolute admiration and respect for those invested in the health of the public. I speak to them rather than to try to become an 'internet expert' to make these decisions on my own -- isn't this the role of 'expertise', after all?

@Nepalibabu

Appreciate your posts, thanks