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Not a really needed headline in my opinion.

Makes the entire populace (who’s already wary of the vaccine) doubt its efficacy.

This would be the exception rather than the norm, unless the new variants are resistant to the jabs.

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It seems he became infected before he was able to generate an immune response.

Still, it is concerning in light of news out of Israel that the S. Africa variant maybe somewhat resistant to the Phizer vaccine

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And why is this too News?

This is perfectly normal and expected!

No Vaccine of any kind is 100%,

This is just going to get the anti vaxxer's going on with their false information about Vaccines.

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The hospital worker must've gotten the cov right before or after the first shot. The mambo-quasi-half-and-half sure isn't looking good for nighttime eateries and drinkeries.

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As expected and nothing to worry about.

Vaccine takes a bit of time to develop immunity. And most of the vaccines are effective 92%, which means there is still 8% of chance to get infected despite getting vaccine.

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Local authorities said the temporary staffer had received doses of the vaccine developed by Pfizer Inc on March 13 and April 3.

"In general, it takes time before antibodies are produced following vaccination," a prefectural government official said.

CDC Website: “People are considered fully vaccinated two weeks after their second shot of the Pfizer-BioNtech or Moderna COVID-19 vaccine.”

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/expect/after.html

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GdTokyoToday  06:49 am JST

It seems he became infected before he was able to generate an immune response.

Still, it is concerning in light of news out of Israel that the S. Africa variant maybe somewhat resistant to the Phizer vaccine

Just how long does it take for the vaccine to become fully effective? I heard it takes 4 weeks after #1, which is why #2 gets scheduled a month afterward. Then how long after the second one?

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don't understand at all the point of this article - it's been well established that the vaccine protects against serious symptoms and reduces risk of contracting it as well as transmission. No doctors are claiming you can't contract the virus after the vaccine, especially only 1 week after the second injection!

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they were saying in the news that the Japanese mutation (Eek) is immune to the vaccine.

this could be the Japanese mutation.

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We, we know the vaccine is not effective against the Eeek mutation.

-4 ( +11 / -15 )

Who’s expecting super powers after taking the vaccine?

There are several examples of people who got tested positive days/weeks after taking the vaccines.

That is not an unexpected outcome.

The vaccine was made to significantly reduce the risk of severe form of the disease, which is proved to be extremely efficient so far.

News like this are just click bait and a good way to feed the ignorance of the anti vax people, who only read headlines and opt for not doing proper scientific research before taking such extreme position.

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"...don't understand at all the point of this article..."

Say hello to the Japanese media. Putting out a lot of paranoidal fearmongering malarky on medical issues and obsessing over 1 in 10 million occurrences is what they do best.

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Of course they got infected...You can't expect a vaccine to be 100% effective if it was made quickly. The company's that made the vaccine were not concermed about the effectiveness, but were more concerned about making something they could use as a quick cash grab!

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@AG

I am not a Anti-Vaxer...However I forgot to get my flu shot last year..and well no flu! Every year I got the vaccine I got the flu a few times. I may forget to get my COVID Vaccine as well..

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I am not a Anti-Vaxer...However I forgot to get my flu shot last year..and well no flu! Every year I got the vaccine I got the flu a few times. I may forget to get my COVID Vaccine as wel

You do realise that the precautions people are and had been taking to avoid and spreading covid are also the same for other viruses.

So by default the annual flu season was very mild.

So not surprising.

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The vaccine is more effective if there is a bigger gap between doses.

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When will Japan develop its one vaccine?

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The company's that made the vaccine were not concermed about the effectiveness, but were more concerned about making something they could use as a quick cash grab!

My daughter was pre chickenpox Vaccine her younger brother was just after and got the vaccine.

She got very serious chickenpox sick for a week pox all over with permanent scarring.

He did get chickenpox but we only realised when we went to the doctor's to have him look at a tiny ¥10 size rash on his neck, no fever nothing rash was gone a day later.

So as pointed out like all Vaccines nothing is 100% but all reduce severity considerably and these Vaccines work they have been tested and are safe.

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*own

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When will Japan develop its own vaccine?

Only if and when one of the big foreign pharmaceutical companies give some Japanese company the rights to use one of the underlying technologies they patented needed to create a Corona virus vaccine.

Japan signed international agreements on patents and intellectual property rights.

Certain countries didn't and used technology that unless Japan breaks it's agreements cannot legally use.

It is sad when life savings technology can be withheld because someone controls the rights to it.

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Interesting that a temporary staffer is able to get two vaccines, but still so many frontline doctors and nurses have not been given them. And as many people stated, the vaccine is not 100% bullet proof, but gives you some level of protection, and even if you get the virus, the effects are far less serious.

Maybe Mr. Suga shouldn't be traveling to the US so soon after his second shot, he will not have waited the specified two weeks after the second shot.

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@P.Smith

The only reason Pfizer was able to develop a vaccine was because it made a deal to use the technology owned by relatively tiny German company BioNtech, without that deal the probability of Pfizer having a viable vaccine today would have been very low.

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Japanese hospital worker infected with coronavirus after 2 vaccine shots

Having vaccine does not guarantee for not being infected but if number of population that being vaccinated is high, chance of being infected is getting smaller.

So how Japan inoculation progress so far?

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Remember the great Lysol panic-buying of 2020? Turns out, it probably wasn’t necessary. A year ago, we knew so little about the coronavirus that was rapidly infecting hundreds of thousands of people across the country. It only made sense to be extra cautious until scientists had more data to work with—and now they do.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) just released a new scientific brief that says your risk of contracting COVID-19 from a surface is about 1 in 10,000. That means, on average, you have a 0.01% chance of actually picking up the virus from, say, touching a counter.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/surface-transmission.html

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Only if and when one of the big foreign pharmaceutical companies give some Japanese company the rights to use one of the underlying technologies they patented needed to create a Corona virus vaccine.

> The only reason Pfizer was able to develop a vaccine was because it made a deal to use the technology owned by relatively tiny German company BioNtech, without that deal the probability of Pfizer having a viable vaccine today would have been very low.

Why can’t Japan develop its own vaccine? Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, and AstraZenica were able to do so.

Years before the first coronavirus case, a team of Japanese Health Ministry advisers issued a warning: Japan's vaccine industry was seriously uncompetitive, public awareness about vaccine safety was low, and the country faced serious risks if a pandemic broke out.

. . .

Out of 63 vaccines undergoing clinical trials around the world, just one is from Japan, according to the World Health Organization. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/japan-vaccine-delay-coronavirus/2021/01/30/a0b66322-5fd6-11eb-a177-7765f29a9524_story.html%3foutputType=amp

Japan has kinda developed a vaccine.

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they were saying in the news that the Japanese mutation (Eek) is immune to the vaccine.

this could be the Japanese mutation.

Up to this point no variant is "immune" to the defenses produced by other strains or by vaccination, who was the one doing the "saying"? maybe you just understood wrong.

When will Japan develop its one vaccine?

As soon as there is any incentive to do it, according to the schedule it will come right after the development of winged swine. Before that the government officials are bound to jump to any chance to score quick easy political points by attacking any problem the local vaccine may seem to have (like not being 100% effective at preventing infections before full vaccination...)

Of course they got infected...You can't expect a vaccine to be 100% effective if it was made quickly.

No vaccine is expected to be 100% effective. That's it. development and testing for the vaccines being used are adequate but there is nothing in medicine that works perfectly. Antibiotics don't save every infected person, good diet and exercise don't prevent every case of diabetes, etc.

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I am not a Anti-Vaxer...However I forgot to get my flu shot last year..and well no flu! Every year I got the vaccine I got the flu a few times. I may forget to get my COVID Vaccine as well..

Have you submitted your findings to Nature or The Lancet?

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

As indicated previously, I am not taking the shot. And this leaves more vaccine for anyone else who wants it.

"Japanese hospital worker infected with coronavirus after 2 vaccine shots"

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As soon as there is any incentive to do it, according to the schedule it will come right after the development of winged swine. Before that the government officials are bound to jump to any chance to score quick easy political points by attacking any problem the local vaccine may seem to have (like not being 100% effective at preventing infections before full vaccination...)

Sounds about right.

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I agree that this is not unexpected. No vaccine provides 100% protection.

Israel is now looking into the possibility the vaccine may be less effective against the South African variant. It will be interesting to see where this leads.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/real-world-israeli-data-shows-south-african-variant-better-at-bypassing-vaccine/

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That’s the first of what I have no doubt will be many more. I’ve been saying all along that the vaccine is not the silver bullet Japan is banking on.

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Now that the Japanese variant COVID is quasi-rampant, expect the country to go into hibernation after the Olympics - Tokugawa style.

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No news here it takes 4 weeks to become immune after the second shot, this is public knowledge!

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Yeah the body needs 4 weeks after last injection, but the body will have at least a head start and this will help them reduce the possibility of ICU or serious disability. Wish them well

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Also which variant were they infected with? The new ones with their faster infection rate usually crowd out the original one. Has E484K increased in the reports?

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"""In general, it takes time before antibodies are produced following vaccination," a prefectural government official said."""

Why do I feel that some in Japan are so eager to shoot down these NON Japanese Vaccines??

It is a fact that the Vaccine takes time to work, so why is it being reported, JUST TO CAUSE PANIC & DOUBT.

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There is a lot of evidence the Pfizer vaccine is far more dangerous and far less effective than advertised. The corporate media tries to cover it up but it's proving difficult due to the virtual tsunami of reports. In Michigan alone, 10s of people fully vaccinated have died from the virus yet corporate media tells us both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are 100% effective against severe Covid infection. In Michigan they didn't say which vaccine(s) it was but that means Pfizer or Moderna. If it were the the J&J vaccine, they would have just said it.

I think Sputnik V is the only solution. I know a lot of people hate the idea of a state-owned lab in Russia with no ties to Wall Street 'out-sciencing' Big Pharma but that reality is getting increasingly hard to deny, like it or not. Not as if it's a new phenomena. Most scientific breakthroughs in the capitalist era have come about via state-owned institutions. I would have said "tax payer funded institutions" but that's no longer accurate as Big Pharma took massive tax-payer grants to make a vaccine for Covid.

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In Michigan alone, 10s of people fully vaccinated have died from the virus yet corporate media tells us both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are 100% effective against severe Covid infection. In Michigan they didn't say which vaccine(s) it was but that means Pfizer or Moderna. If it were the the J&J vaccine, they would have just said it.

Here’s a challenge.

Find a media report about the 10’s of people who have died in Michigan from the virus.

Next find a ‘corporate’ media report that states the vaccine is 100% safe.

-1 ( +6 / -7 )

As indicated previously, I am not taking the shot. And this leaves more vaccine for anyone else who wants it.

No way in the world I'm talking the Pfizer or Moderna shots. If others want to take part in the experiment, I wish them well but I'll watch on from the sidelines.

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No way in the world I'm talking the Pfizer or Moderna shots.

We know you are anti-vaxxer. You make it very obvious from all your posts. By all mean, don't take it, but then suffer the consequences if you cannot do certain things because you are not vaccinated.

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Find a media report about the 10’s of people who have died in Michigan from the virus.

Are you seriously comparing the relative health of super obese Americans to normal weight non-Americans on the rest of the planet? Because if so there are millions of science articles about that. Vaccines will help but if the underlying conditions are too far gone no vaccine is a miracle.

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Here’s a challenge.

Find a media report about the 10’s of people who have died in Michigan from the virus.

I did a DuckDuckGo search for "Michigan Covid deaths vaccine" and the first 3 entries were "3 deaths after being vaccinated", next "100s of deaths after being vaccinated", next "74 deaths after being vaccinated".

I could do something similar in regard to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines being advertised as "100 effective against severe Covid infection". I guess "severe" is open to interpretation but maybe we can agree it's "severe" if it's fatal.

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So what’s the angle?

The CDC, WHO and leading experts all across the globe are being paid off by ‘corporate’ media to promote a dangerous vaccine? But it isn’t happening with Sputnik which you see as the only option?

Am I following you correctly?

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

I did a DuckDuckGo search for "Michigan Covid deaths vaccine" and the first 3 entries were "3 deaths after being vaccinated", next "100s of deaths after being vaccinated", next "74 deaths after being vaccinated".

Now, that’s just plain dishonesty.

Michigan reported 74 deaths last weekend. Where did you read those 74 people were vaccinated?

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So what’s the angle?

The CDC, WHO and leading experts all across the globe are being paid off by ‘corporate’ media to promote a dangerous vaccine? But it isn’t happening with Sputnik which you see as the only option?

No. Wall Street is giving the CDC, corporate media and Big Pharma directions. As for the WHO, they have merely said the benefits of vaccines outweigh risks. Maybe that's true. Tnat's probably true. I don't know. I'd prefer to watch the experiment rather than take part in it.

As for Sputnik V, I think it's not the only option. It seems the Chinese vaccines are safe but there is problems with the efficacy. Until recently I thought the same about the AstraZeneca vaccine. Safe but ineffective. I was wrong. Maybe I'll be wrong about Sputnik V and Chinese vaccines but for the moment, those are the only one's I'd take.

Sputnik V is in use in 50+ countries and no reports of severe side effects or lack of efficacy. It seems pretty good, doesn't it?

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As predicted anti vaxxers out in force with their "I found" junk on dubious sites using selective snippets to make false points.

Try using reputable information, here are a few places to look The Lancet, The BMJ, JAMA, New England journal of medicine.

Stop the false information and fear mongering.

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It seems pretty good, doesn't it?

Seems is not good enough. If your information is coming from such dodgy sources that tell you 74 people died in Michigan last weekend after being vaccinated you should maybe keep it to yourself and not spread it further.

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Now, that’s just plain dishonesty.

Michigan reported 74 deaths last weekend. Where did you read those 74 people were vaccinated?

I didn't open the links. Only looked at the search results. So it's correct one says "3 deaths after being vaccinated" and one says "100s of deaths after vaccination"? So the middle ground is 10s of deaths. Even one death is too many for a vaccine touted as being "100% effective against severe infection", isn't it?

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Lol of the day two times.I guess the benefit is she supposedly wouldn't get it as rough with the shots.But it's not a good look regardless.

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I didn't open the links. Only looked at the search results. 

Ok. You can stop there.

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last shot April 3rd hasn't even been the required 2 weeks for the final shot to boost the immune system. Guess he felt he was immune and went out eating and drinking after 8pm (because we all know this is when the virus is active) even though he still had to wait 2 weeks after the last vaccine. Administering Nurse probably told him he was safe.

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-Who’s expecting super powers after taking the vaccine?

I was exceedingly miffed at not obtaining any super powers.

The vaccines considerably reduce severe symptoms and appear to reduce the spread. At which point Covid begins to drop down the list of things you need to worry about prematurely ending your existence. There are several exotic but fun-to-catch STDs, three (viral) TikTok trends, the morning commute, those deadly Mochi rice cakes and running with scissors that all become more dangerous in relative terms.

Plus the case numbers are very, very, very, very small in a country of over 126 million people.

So ignore the scare stories in the media, get vaccinated and behave sensibly.

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I am not a Anti-Vaxer...However I forgot to get my flu shot last year..and well no flu! Every year I got the vaccine I got the flu a few times. I may forget to get my COVID Vaccine as well..

Well I haven't had a flu shot in ages, and I haven't caught the flu, even over the many years I worked in Tokyo.

I haven't taken the flu shots, which went through the normal approval process; so I certainly will not take any of these unapproved vaccines. They have only received authorization for emergency use, and this is less of an emergency for me than the annual flu season. And these vaccines do not prevent people from spreading the virus...

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The Japan variant seems to be pretty strong.

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Ah, the vaccine! The destroyer of Covid the virus that will decimate mankind as we were told. Combined with wearing 3 masks and living like a hermit It looks like mankind will survive the devastation

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We, we know the vaccine is not effective against the Eeek mutation.

The Lancet article you linked the other day does not say that. Read it again instead of spreading BS around all day long.

The person has not shown any symptoms yet, they said.

So what's the problem then? Being positive does not mean he is being sick or even contagious. Positiveness to a pathogen after vaccination has been observed in many other viruses (you know one is called the influenza), there is nothing new here with the COVID-19.

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Well I haven't had a flu shot in ages, and I haven't caught the flu, even over the many years I worked in Tokyo.

The hard evidence is coming thick and fast today.

Didn’t you tell us this virus burned itself out last year. Did you base this on not personally catching it?

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Didn’t you tell us this virus burned itself out last year. Did you base this on not personally catching it?

It did burn itself out. What we have now are not the same virus, they are variants.

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Well I haven't had a flu shot in ages, and I haven't caught the flu, even over the many years I worked in Tokyo.

Science stopped using hearsay anecdotal evidence to do research centuries ago. It is a terribly poor standard compared with detailed statistical analysis of millions of cases.

Vaccines are not 100% efficient, but still they are much better than not vaccinating, that is true for all vaccines being in used at this moment and COVID-19 is not different. People will have many irrational reasons not to use them (for example to give supreme importance to terribly low quality data while ignoring the best evidence available), they are free to do it as long as they assume the consequences, but that does not mean the decision becomes less irrational.

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Didn’t you tell us this virus burned itself out last year. Did you base this on not personally catching it?

It did burn itself out. What we have now are not the same virus, they are variants.

I only post this when I mean it:

Lol

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Science stopped using hearsay anecdotal evidence to do research centuries ago

I was simply replying/adding to someone else's hearsay. I never claimed it was proof of anything.

BTW, there is nothing rational about picking data you like and arbitrarily saying it's "good science" and the "scientific consensus".

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Times of Israel reports:

"The South African variant of the coronavirus is notably more adept at “breaking through” the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine than other variants are, Israeli scientists have found, in a first-of-its-kind real-world study.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/real-world-israeli-data-shows-south-african-variant-better-at-bypassing-vaccine/

This would mean that they are already starting to admit (or claim with some ulterior motive) that the not-vaccines do not help against "variants".

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This would mean that they are already starting to admit (or claim with some ulterior motive) that the not-vaccines do not help against "variants".

Nope. It means one group of scientists in the world have researched this, the hint was in the phrase ‘a-first-of-its-kind’, so it’s not conclusive. It also means you have imagined some ‘ulterior motive’ to cover both possibilities.

So which is it? Do you believe in science or not? Only Israeli science?

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This wouldn't be the first hospital worker that's gotten covid after a vaccination. It should be noted that statistically speaking the worker is extremely unlikely to have a serious case because the vaccine is offering some forms of protection.

It should also be noted it's extremely unlikely they contracted covid from the hospital. Hospitals usually have really good remediation systems. What does tend to happen is people who get the vaccines get careless. Even if you have had a vaccine you still need to take care in public and with immunocompromised people. Until this is handled on a global basis you're going to have risks of break throughs.

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@Ergo and @Bob

The Israeli study is interesting and as I said above we should watch this and find out where it goes.

Or, we can choose to ignore the results coming from obviously very pro vaccine Israeli scientists and from one of the most vaccinated countries in the world on a per capita basis.

My thought is we should find out where this leads and I would certainly imagine the vaccine makers are also following this with interest as well.

This is only in the preliminary phases and it will take more time to come to any definitive conclusion.

The Israeli scientists are genuinely interested in using the vaccine to eliminate the virus and are genuinely concerned about this. The people working on this are the true antithesis of anti vaxers.

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The Israeli study is interesting and as I said above we should watch this and find out where it goes.

I’m not dismissing the study at all. I’m against those who continually dismiss the virus and experts except when they cherry-pick or in some cases as we’ve seen today just present lies as truth without even checking their own ‘facts’.

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We, we know the vaccine is not effective against the Eeek mutation.

Nice joke. Appreciated.

The only reason Pfizer was able to develop a vaccine was because it made a deal to use the technology owned by relatively tiny German company BioNtech, without that deal the probability of Pfizer having a viable vaccine today would have been very low.

It was a partnership. BioNtech had been working with Pfizer on other projects, already had contacts and friends within Pfizer. But BioNtech was tiny and knew they didn't know how to product massive doses of a vaccine or navigate all the testing and approvals by different countries. Teaming up was good for both. BioNtech just happened to be working in mRNA for other vaccines and quickly got samples of COVID-19.

Here's the 60 Minutes interview with both companies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM3gSgvN2Fw for how it all happened.

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I was simply replying/adding to someone else's hearsay. I never claimed it was proof of anything.

But my point is still the same, your argument remains an illogical reason to prefer non-vaccination.

BTW, there is nothing rational about picking data you like and arbitrarily saying it's "good science" and the "scientific consensus"

Fortunately that is not what is being done, professionals and experts have multiple parameters to identify what is "good science", from higher amount of participants to adequate statistical methods or proper discussion of conflicting evidence. The problem is the opposite, choosing from the deficient studies (that give results all over the place) those that support a flawed explanation and try to use them against the best studies that form the basis for the scientific consensus. This consensus is terribly easy to find, you just have to search the official position of well recognized medical and scientific organizations about any topic you can find, and if the vast majority say the same thing (for example that vaccines are safe, or that masks are useful to prevent the spreading of COVID) then it is safe to assume this is the consensus.

-2 ( +3 / -5 )

Passenger injured in car crash despite wearing seatbelt

Pregnancy occurs despite man wearing condom

Computer exposed to virus despite having anti-virus software

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* NEWS FLASH

Japan News Media Reports on Oudated Concern over Positive Testing after Vaccination

the news media and official have reported on a case on “infection” after vaccination. Expert will be consulted and measure will be taked after further deliberations.

One high-level Tokyo Official calmed citizens unrest withe following statement: “We are committed to fight these vaccines, I mean save the Olympics... ummm fight the virus to the best of our ability” adding “we might even consider consulting with the rest of the world if necessary”. Reinventing the wheel is of utmost important despite reduced hours for local eating establishments.

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I do not understand why people seem to think that once they have been vaccinated, they are completely immune from catching COVID! This is not true of flu vaccine either. You can't expect to be able to breath in all the viruses around and not get infected. It gives you some protection, one might not get a severe symptoms after vaccination, but the risk is still there...

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When will we be able to take off our masks and live normally?

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@AG

"The vaccine was made to significantly reduce the risk of severe form of the disease..."

We've heard the HCQ is effective. Why not go that route?

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@AG

"...feed the ignorance ..."

Could you help un-ignorance the rest of us? Being one of them, I don't know what benifits there are to taking this "vaccine".

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Yeah? I guess that's what the vaccine companies/researchers meant when they claimed these products were "94%" or "97%" effective against infection. As in...not 100% effective against all strains, in all circumstances or for all those vaccinated.

Pobody's Nerfect. Not even makers or life-saving vaccines.

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Unless the viruses are not extinguished by a 70 days (plus standard deviation) , that’s the time span they can survive, such long you won’t get a normal life back. No hard measures, no end of the pandemic. And you guess it, also a not working vaccine is no hard measure. It’s all that easy and I think even you can understand that soon after I tell it here and there for months already.

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

The worker took a test after coming into contact with an infected person. According to the hospital, the person does not deal with patients.

This is more concerning to me. How did they come in contact then?

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OK, I misread. It doesn't say the infected person was a patient, so they must have come in contact outside of the workplace.

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We've heard the HCQ is effective. Why not go that route? 

You've heard wrong. HCQ doesn't work for Covid-19. That is the consensus of the overwhelming majority of the medical scientific community. OTOH, for those taking advice from a pillow salesman, it may offer some solace.

Could you help un-ignorance the rest of us? Being one of them, I don't know what benifits there are to taking this "vaccine".

It provides approx. 94% efficacy against contracting Covid-19, once maximum immunity is reached, which is a few weeks after the 2nd dose.

Additionally, even if the patient contracts Covid, the symptoms are far less severe than if unprotected. So, serious illness and hospitalization is unlikely.

And, why put the word vaccine in quotes? The item in question is indeed a vaccine.

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When will we be able to take off our masks and live normally?

Whenever you choose to.

What's stopping you?

0 ( +5 / -5 )

What's stopping you?

Compassion.

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We've heard the HCQ is effective. Why not go that route? 

You've heard wrong. HCQ doesn't work for Covid-19. That is the consensus of the overwhelming majority of the medical scientific community.

No, you heard wrong. The idea that HCQ doesn't work for Covid-19 is the consensus of the overwhelming majority of the big pharma linked medical scientific community. Those not linked to big pharma overwhelmingly consider HCQ-azithromycin to be effective.

BTW, vaccines help prevent people from feeling sick, but they can still catch and spread the virus.

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

Probably the Japan strain. It has been left to mutate for so long it has become resistant to the existing vaccines. Scary stuff.

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@garypen

Not a vaccine, I've read.

And HCQ seems to be an effective treatment. I've seen doctors talk about that.

Are you ok?

-2 ( +4 / -6 )

BTW, vaccines help prevent people from feeling sick, but they can still catch and spread the virus.

BTW, scientists already know this. Even the ones making the vaccines. Crazy huh?

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@Raw Beer

Thanks, Raw Beer. Nice to see some sanity creeping in here. And @Paul and others. Thank you.

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When will Japan develop its one vaccine?

an effective vaccine needed to be developed fast meaning multiple countries in different time zones developing 24/7. who in their right mind would team up with Japan, the delays meetings cultural differences along with language, itd take 2 yrs before anything meaningful was developed. then when it was ready the cost that the J companies would charge would just about rule out half the population not even affording it

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No, you heard wrong. The idea that HCQ doesn't work for Covid-19 is the consensus of the overwhelming majority of the big pharma linked medical scientific community. Those not linked to big pharma overwhelmingly consider HCQ-azithromycin to be effective.

You're wrong. None of this is true.

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And HCQ seems to be an effective treatment. I've seen doctors talk about that.

Please do share some links about that.

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No, you heard wrong. The idea that HCQ doesn't work for Covid-19 is the consensus of the overwhelming majority of the big pharma linked medical scientific community. Those not linked to big pharma overwhelmingly consider HCQ-azithromycin to be effective.

No, even the first researcher that went as low as to commit scientific malpractice to push for its use has accepted his own study demonstrated it has no usefulness in preventing complications nor death, and that the appearance of efficacy was just his improper methods and unethical manipulations.

The "big pharma" excuse is not credible, there is no recognized professional or scientific organization in the world that have expressed that HCQ has any value in the treatment of COVID-19, that would mean that the whole scientific and medical community is "big pharma", in reality that is just an excuse antivaxxers use to dismiss the scientific community. Also cheap and effective drugs like dexamethasone are widely recognized as such, so the supposed conspiracy can be proved wrong.

BTW, vaccines help prevent people from feeling sick, but they can still catch and spread the virus.

And people treated with antibiotics can still die from infections, the important point is that they do it less than people without it.

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Big pharma is bad. Don't trust big pharma.

Big HCQ is very good. I love it. Trust them and give them all your money.

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Haven't the vaccines been sold with the understanding that there is no guarantee in not catching / not spreading the disease anyway ?

Not an expert but it takes about 9 years to developp a vaccine, test it, deploy it on the market. Doing so in 9 months is not common.

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BTW, vaccines help prevent people from feeling sick, but they can still catch and spread the virus.

BTW, scientists already know this. Even the ones making the vaccines. Crazy huh?

Yeah, we all should know this by now, but surprisingly many here continue to say that even if we do not need the vaccine for ourselves, we should get it anyways to avoid spreading the virus to others.... Crazy huh?

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@Raw Beer

Not only do you not understand simple medical facts but you also don't understand economics and business.

As you have been told many times and continue to ignore.

Even if HCQ worked (which it doesn't), it is far more profitable to the pharmaceutical companies, medical industry, etc.. to treat a disease than give a vaccine to stop or prevent the disease.

So if it was about money the pharmaceutical companies would be pushing meds, pushing treatment over Vaccines.

Simple math simple facts.

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Dangerous even reporting this. No one ever said the vaccine will prevent infection. It's efficacy is about it preventing death and serious illness. The virus itself is a part of life from here to the end of humanity.

Japan is doing a fabulous job of doing it ALL wrong.

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Not an expert but it takes about 9 years to developp a vaccine, test it, deploy it on the market. Doing so in 9 months is not common

Sure if we are still in the 1960s, 70s, 80s, 90s.

Think of how things have changed, previously to collaborate on a vaccine scientists had to send information snail mail, use a telephone, fax, etc...or get together on occasion to exchange information, test results, etc...

Now this can be done instantly, computing power is multiple folds fast, etc..

Technology has changed.

But on top of that the reality is this Vaccine has been in the making for 17 years as most of the work was done based on SARS 1 and just tweaked to adapt to the new SARS 2, we call it covid-19.

Without the decade plus research done on the SARS 1, we wouldn't have the vaccine today.

All these fact are readily available in multiple medical journals.

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Simple math simple facts.

You are correct. But still for ‘you know who’ it’s like trying to describe ‘green’ to a blind person. Or a seeing person who is wrong about everything only sees red. No cure for crazy.

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The story seems to show that one can still become infected even if you took the "vaccine". So, it doesn't seem to make much sense taking it. You can have my dose, I'm fine without one, thank you very much.

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The story seems to show that one can still become infected even if you took the "vaccine". So, it doesn't seem to make much sense taking it. You can have my dose, I'm fine without one, thank you very much.

So the next time you have an infection and the doctor prescribes antibiotics you will say no, right?

Because there is no guarantee the antibiotics will cure you and you can still remain sick, get worse even die depending on the infection.

Anti vaxxers logic 101.

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The story seems to show that one can still become infected even if you took the "vaccine". So, it doesn't seem to make much sense taking it. You can have my dose, I'm fine without one, thank you very much.

Nobody is forcing you to. Don’t take it. You needn’t say any more on the matter. NK need to try to dissuade others. Carry on with your freedom loving life.

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Seems odd that people defending their freedom spend so much time telling other people what they should do.

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Yeah, we all should know this by now, but surprisingly many here continue to say that even if we do not need the vaccine for ourselves, we should get it anyways to avoid spreading the virus to others.... Crazy huh?

Nothing crazy to say you should do something that do help with that purpose, the false dichotomy is thinking that if something is not 100% effective then it must be 0%.

Not an expert but it takes about 9 years to developp a vaccine, test it, deploy it on the market. Doing so in 9 months is not common.

That is the thing, since the first SARS scare (and the subsequent MERS curve ball) experts in emerging diseases knew coronaviruses eventually would make a true pandemic so work on a safe and effective vaccine began almost immediately, people worked hard to identify the most likely target proteins, that would let the body inactivate the virus if antibodies were directed towards it, efficient methods of delivery, techniques to quickly adapt the infrastructure to whatever new coronavirus was responsible, etc. etc.

These vaccines were not developed in 9 months, they were tested for safety and efficacy on 9 months (a scale perfectly in line with other vaccines developed before), the development process took quite more than a decade.

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@Antiquesaving

"Anti vaxxers logic 101."

And "Anti-vaxxer" I remain. I am ignorant. Unenlightened. Simple. And all your insulting hasn't convinced me whatever it was you were trying to convince me.

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The "big pharma" excuse is not credible...

It will never be credible to you, but you haven't provided anything to discredit big pharma's influence's. Didier Raoult's group have clearly demonstrated that studies against HCQ are linked to big pharma; and if you take out big pharma linked studies you are left with hundreds showing positive results. The Cochrane Library has also demonstrated big pharma's influence.

... there is no recognized professional or scientific organization in the world that have expressed that HCQ has any value in the treatment of COVID-19, that would mean that the whole scientific and medical community is "big pharma", in reality that is just an excuse antivaxxers use to dismiss the scientific community.

That is simply not true, anyone who looks outside the big pharma world will see that half of the world's population lives in countries where HCQ (+/- azithromycin) is widely prescribed against COVID-19.

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Not only do you not understand simple medical facts but you also don't understand economics and business.

Oh, please do tell which simple medical fact am I not understanding.

As you have been told many times and continue to ignore.

Even if HCQ worked (which it doesn't), it is far more profitable to the pharmaceutical companies, medical industry, etc.. to treat a disease than give a vaccine to stop or prevent the disease.

You do realize that HCQ has been used for several decades and is dirt cheap, right? They did try to push for newer expensive meds like Remdesivir, but that was disastrous.... You can find many reports on how lucrative these vaccines will be for big-pharma. A quick Google gave me this title:

"Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine is set to be one of the most lucrative drugs in the world"

Simple math simple facts.

Indeed

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It will never be credible to you, but you haven't provided anything to discredit big pharma's influence's. Didier Raoult's group have clearly demonstrated that studies against HCQ are linked to big pharma; and if you take out big pharma linked studies you are left with hundreds showing positive results. 

Didier Raoult is a widely discredited charlatan. If you take out loony linked websites you are left with thousands showing showing HCQ is not the best option.

Are you still promoting Betamax?

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"Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine is set to be one of the most lucrative drugs in the world"

Simple math simple facts.

Indeed

A drug that will be hopefully administered to Billions of people is one of the most lucrative drugs in the world. Well, what a shocker.

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Oh, please do tell which simple medical fact am I not understanding.

Let's see where to start, how Vaccines work, HCQ and everything behind the science it doesn't work, Masks, the differences between a medication used for years for one thing not being useful or effective on something else.

Do I need to go on?

This could be a long list.

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She probably had the Chinese vaccine.

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It will never be credible to you, but you haven't provided anything to discredit big pharma's influence's.

Of course I did, I just demonstrated your "big pharma" actually means every medical and scientific institution of the world. You have never produced anything to actually prove the whole world is controlled by money as you think, just your personal opinion.

Didier Raoult's group have clearly demonstrated that studies against HCQ are linked to big pharma; and if you take out big pharma linked studies you are left with hundreds showing positive results.

No he has not, he just selectively eliminated all studies he did not wanted and ignored the links for studies he did, unfortunately for him now he has to eliminate his own studies, because now it is clear that without his unethical manipulations and methodological mistakes he is part of the researchers that have demonstrated HCQ has not effect for COVID-19, which means it is not justified to subject patients to risk from its use.

That is simply not true, anyone who looks outside the big pharma world will see that half of the world's population lives in countries where HCQ (+/- azithromycin) is widely prescribed against COVID-19.

Without any scientific basis and specially without any support from the medical and scientific associations, making HCQ as scientific as astrology, which by the way is also used by some unprofessional "healers" to treat patients in many countries.

You do realize that HCQ has been used for several decades and is dirt cheap, right? They did try to push for newer expensive meds like Remdesivir, but that was disastrous

Dexamethasone, there, you are proved wrong, it is cheap, it is safe, it is effective, and has close to zero bad reputation even when it is supposed to stop "big pharma" from getting billions and billions in income. There, the conspiracy is proven wrong.

"Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine is set to be one of the most lucrative drugs in the world"

Because against the apocalyptic predictions of the antivaxxers it ended up being safe and effective as the experts vouched for it.

Of course the money made in vaccines is a tiny drop in the ocean compared with not vaccinating people, a few dollars for a vaccine is not comparable to the thousands and thousands one single patient in the ICU has to spend when he complicates from COVID, and on top months to years in rehabilitation from long COVID, that is what would be the real business.

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I'm not an antivaxer - though I will politely offer my vaccination to anyone else who needs it more than me.

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If this person has to be hospitalized, they will be the first person to have gotten both Pfizer shots to have to do so.

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I got my Pfizer vaccination on March 25 and am scheduled to take the 2nd one on April 15. Also I had absolutely no complications, it was the most painful shot I've ever experienced, perhaps due to the skill of the shot-giver. Never mind, it takes more than a painful vaccination to kill me.

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The point most of the people don't get is those vaccines are not preventing infection - one still has to take the usual measures we all follow (masks, disinfection, distancing) .

As pointed out being vaccinated helps you fight the virus and have mild to non-symptoms.

Unfortunately it doesn't stops spreading the virus. We just have to learn to live with it and be responsible!

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Unfortunately it doesn't stops spreading the virus. We just have to learn to live with it and be responsible!

You are right about being responsible, but wrong about virus spread. Initial data from studies in Israel and the UK show that the vaccines reduce viral load and therefore the spread of the virus. The reports show an 86-89% drop in asymptomatic infections for vaccinated people compared to an unvaccinated group.

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Raw Beer

BTW, vaccines help prevent people from feeling sick, but they can still catch and spread the virus.

That is not known yet, but evidence does seem to support the thesis that vaccinated people don't get infected. After more data comes in, we can know for sure. So don't jump to conclusions.

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It was already known that the vaccine was 95% effective. That means 5 in 100 people might get infected after vaccination. It is also known that the vaccine is 100% effective against serious infections leading to death. I think the fact that we have heard of so few post vaccination infections is very good news. Lets report that too.

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It is also known that the vaccine is 100% effective against serious infections leading to death.

Oh how I wish that were true...so much has happened since the first injections started happening in December last year. Check their sources. Pharma is also liabilty free in all the cases. We're on our own with each shot.

https://thecovidblog.com

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I remember when people used to say that one death from Covid was too many. Yet those same people, when you mention death from a vaccine, they don’t even bat an eyelid......

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