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-27 ( +6 / -33 )

Not sure about people on this site but I have yet to meet a person that didn't have a side effect from the Moderna vaccine. A few days of arm pain, fever and/or nausea seems to be the consensus of people I know that took it.

6 ( +20 / -14 )

When I got the original 2 shots, there was no talk of a booster. The paper that shows the vaccine has been administered has no spaces for additional shots. This booster concept was not the original plan, right?

I'm not sure I'll be in a hurry to get the additional doses, pretty sure I've had versions of covid to go with my vaccine already. Don't think I need the shot.

6 ( +26 / -20 )

NOMINATIONToday  07:16 am JST

Not sure about people on this site but I have yet to meet a person that didn't have a side effect from the Moderna vaccine. A few days of arm pain, fever and/or nausea seems to be the consensus of people I know that took it.

That seems to be the norm. I got Pfizer, and had one day of side effects. But less severe than that which people who received the Moderna shot suffered.

5 ( +17 / -12 )

I had Moderna, twice, no side effects. How many people did you ask, 5, 10. Unless you did a poll of thousands yours anecdotal evidence isn't worth a lot! Get the booster and keep yourself and others safe! Why is that so hard for so many people to understand.

8 ( +30 / -22 )

The vaccines are proven to make you feel ill for a while after receiving them.

The vaccines are still not proven to be safe but proven deadly for some people.

There's alot of questions as to if the vaccines are effective at all.

The long term effects of receiving the vaccine are not known yet.

Who can prove what and whats believed.

Scientific facts are more like theories anyway.

proven and then disproved.

-11 ( +22 / -33 )

Get me in line. I'll be due March 1.

Sorry Ingvar, not buying into you conspiracy nonsense. Nor are the majority of Europeans it would seem after the last few days -, heavy, heavy demand for a booster shot.

0 ( +20 / -20 )

 had Moderna, twice, no side effects. How many people did you ask, 5, 10. Unless you did a poll of thousands yours anecdotal evidence isn't worth a lot! Get the booster and keep yourself and others safe! Why is that so hard for so many people to understand.

Now go out and ask people to see what results you get. I took Pfizer as well as most of my friends and family. Not a single side effect from anyone. However, people like you read a couple of sentences and automatically label people as being an anti-vaxxer.

1 ( +14 / -13 )

Japan has set an eight-month interval "in principle" between second vaccination shots and a booster but has been working to bring forward the third shots following the emergence of the Omicron variant of the coronavirus.

How was that 8 month interval derived? The US had already set a 6 month interval--why did Japan choose 8?

MarkXToday  07:33 am JST

I had Moderna, twice, no side effects.

Highly doubtful

How many people did you ask, 5, 10.

12!

Unless you did a poll of thousands yours anecdotal evidence isn't worth a lot!

It's common knowledge. lol!

Why is that so hard for so many people to understand.

Who are these people? Your anecdotal evidence?

-7 ( +14 / -21 )

Not sure about people on this site but I have yet to meet a person that didn't have a side effect from the Moderna vaccine. A few days of arm pain, fever and/or nausea seems to be the consensus of people I know that took it.

we had pfizer. We didn't have nausea but we did have arm pain and we were laid out in bed for one day.

But I guess that's better than being laid to rest permanently

4 ( +18 / -14 )

Line me up.

0 ( +20 / -20 )

Only half the dose?

Or did I get anything wrong (again)?

Yes, it's not a half dose. Half the dose would be half the amount you're supposed to get for the booster.

If it's only half the dose will it still be effective?

Not as effective as getting the full booster.

-5 ( +10 / -15 )

The problematic point here is that much too long time of six months. Quite some studies already show that the level is decreased to almost zero with all vaccine brands after six months, considering omicron variants. Such boostings should be done after three months , Moderna might on average hold a little bit longer, maybe four or four and a half months. But six months is definitely too late in case of an infection. OK, the numbers are still low countrywide, so in most cases this too long waiting gamble might be challenged, but I wouldn’t recommend it for everyone.

-6 ( +9 / -15 )

I had pfizer and had side effects both times. Doesn't make me hesitate at all to get the booster. Unlike certain conspiracy theorists who need everything to be a dark plot against them for their world to make sense, I just want the pandemic to be over and I don't want myself or anyone else to end up on a respirator with air hunger.

-4 ( +13 / -17 )

The vaccines are proven to make you feel ill for a while after receiving them.

The vaccines are still not proven to be safe but proven deadly for some people.

There's alot of questions as to if the vaccines are effective at all.

The long term effects of receiving the vaccine are not known yet.

Who can prove what and whats believed.

Scientific facts are more like theories anyway.

Ever single part of your comment is mistaken or irrelevant, you offer no evidence to disprove the scientific consensus, just saying you can't accept what they have proved is not an argument.

If it's only half the dose will it still be effective?

A booster and a priming inoculation are not the same, If it can be shown that it increase antibody levels to the levels the first doses do then it can be extrapolated it is effective. Since the problem with moderna was the lower safety (compared with other vaccines, never against the infection) it is likely the half dose is a compromise.

-4 ( +19 / -23 )

I wouldn't want to get a booster shot.

But 6 months seem safe.

-11 ( +10 / -21 )

Got my Moderna booster and it did knock me on my ass for a day. Worse reaction when compared to my second dose but that doesn't change my opinion of the vaccine.

-2 ( +14 / -16 )

Moderna here. Not a single fracking side effect for me or my daughter. Right as rain. But. My wife had a rough 24 hours but nothing too terrible. Mother-in-law got Pfizer with no side effects. 3 for 4!

Stop the conspiracy BS and go get your jab!

Sign me up too!

-2 ( +18 / -20 )

Moderna here. Not a single fracking side effect for me or my daughter. Right as rain. But. My wife had a rough 24 hours but nothing too terrible. Mother-in-law got Pfizer with no side effects. 3 for 4!

That's nice. Hopefully none of you suffer heart attacks anytime soon no matter your age and/or general health. None of you, 4 from 4, are protected from coronavirus unless you have already been infected.

-5 ( +16 / -21 )

I thought this was the dangerous one that has been banned around the world. Am I wrong?

-1 ( +10 / -11 )

That's nice. Hopefully none of you suffer heart attacks anytime soon no matter your age and/or general health.

Being vaccinated actually lowers the risk for heat attacks and strokes, no matter your age and/or general health, this is because COVID is a hugely more important cause for this risk to increase.

None of you, 4 from 4, are protected from coronavirus unless you have already been infected.

Contrary to your beliefs previous infection do not mean 100% protection, reinfections also increase, specially for people that were not hospitalized the first time, and a worse second infection is not unusual either. Vaccines on the other hand provide the protection with a tiny fraction of the risk, for all purposes they are a much better option.

-3 ( +18 / -21 )

I thought this was the dangerous one that has been banned around the world. Am I wrong?

Banned for large segments of the population in Scandinavia due to heart attacks.

-4 ( +14 / -18 )

I thought this was the dangerous one that has been banned around the world. Am I wrong?

It is not banned, but atrial fibrillation, is a real thing.

3 ( +10 / -7 )

The vaccines are proven to make you feel ill for a while after receiving them

Every single part of your comment is mistaken or irrelevant, you offer no evidence to disprove the scientific consensus,

What a false, nonsense and ignorant answer or comment.

Didn't you know that many many people had 1-3 hard days, (including me), after receiving the moderna vaccine?

What scientific evidence you need to prove that?

Like I said to you already many times, instead of nonstop google and checking data and reports, you should better stick to the reality.

Talk to people! Ask them if it is wrong or irrelevant for them that they were ill for a few days after taking the moderna shot.

Then you will understand.

Because you have no idea what you are talking about.

-4 ( +15 / -19 )

I’m in no hurry. Won’t ever get moderna again. Had heart palpitations for 2 months.

10 ( +15 / -5 )

Quite some studies already show that the level is decreased to almost zero with all vaccine brands after six months

No.

-7 ( +8 / -15 )

A bit slow out of the gates Japan. The latest research shows the current vaccines are not very effective against the Omicron strain. There is a new vaccine being developed for this strain that actually attacks the virus and not just boosts the immune system.

-4 ( +8 / -12 )

What scientific evidence you need to prove that?

To prove what? that mild side effects are hugely preferable against the much more serious health problems caused by COVID?

Like I said to you already many times, instead of nonstop google and checking data and reports, you should better stick to the reality.

You contradict yourself, data and reports are what people use to actually understand the real situation, because hearsay and personal experience is a terribly poor replacement, bias and prejudice makes them much more likely to turn out being false, which is exactly why the scientific method was developed in the first place, to improve on that faulty evidence.

-3 ( +17 / -20 )

personal experience is a terribly poor replacement,

What???

Oh my godness...

Tell that to the people who has personal bad experience in anything in their lives, that their personal experience is a poor replacement because data and reports says different things.

Unbelievable...

My discussion with you ends here!

-5 ( +14 / -19 )

Vaccines tend to work.

Had a few when I was a kid.

Harsh flu strains happen sometimes. Get jabbed for extra safety or just rely on yr body to shake it off.

Mandatory jabbing? That’s political, not scientific. Or reasonable.

11 ( +18 / -7 )

Monty

Tell that to the people who has personal bad experience in anything in their lives, that their personal experience is a poor replacement because data and reports says different things.

The chances of being struck by lightning are about 1 in 300,000.

That's data.

Ask one of the people that has been struck, and their 'personal experience' will cast a different light on that data. They'll tell you, it happened to them, so it could happen so someone else.

I'll take data over hearsay, thanks.

-1 ( +12 / -13 )

The chances of being struck by lightning are about 1 in 300,000.

That's data.

Ask one of the people that has been struck, and their 'personal experience' will cast a different light on that data. They'll tell you, it happened to them, so it could happen so someone else.

People to whom this has happened are also more likely to place a higher level of concern towards this happening again, even though the odds of it happening to them again, or anyone else a first time, are nearly nil. As you say, we shouldn't be out there spending time, money and effort putting lightning rods on every tree or structure over five feet in the entire world.

-3 ( +7 / -10 )

Let's see, I have had the MMR, typhoid, diptheria, Japanese encephalitis, hep B, tetanus, yellow fever, influenza, polio, COVID x2 jabs... and yet if I eschew the nth booster, to some that makes me an anti-vaxxer. There are many people such as myself who are growing increasing sceptical of the narrative being pushed in the media and commentariat. I suggest some are in dire need of a reality check.

1 ( +10 / -9 )

I didn't get any shot yet and have no side effects so far!

Feel genki as well since pandemic started but it might be because I'm young and healthy.

4 ( +14 / -10 )

I hope the half dose is jot as arbitrary as the 8-month.

it’s funny how they can create an arbitrary 8-month rule with no logical reasonnm, but struggle to change it to 6 months with all scientific evidences. Oh Japan, sometimes you’re so funny.

3 ( +7 / -4 )

Did anyone see the the interview of Dr. Peter McCullough by Joe Rogan? Nothing particularly new here. We already know Wall Street and Big Pharma are trying to force everyone to get the Big Pharma vaccines and pay a lot of money for each shot, whether directly or in taxes.

What I found interesting is where he say's, "I went to to India and got another vaccine." That means Sputnik V.

-3 ( +10 / -13 )

The sad truth of this, is that is no vaccine for covid was ever created, the cases would be worse and everyone would be screaming "make a vaccine, we want a vaccine".

But make a vaccine and have it kill a couple of people, and we can ignore the millions of deaths from the disease, and focus on the handful of deaths from the vaccine, and complain about that instead.

I wish I could show people a parallel universe where the vaccine was never invented, and offer them a choice of where they want to live.

-2 ( +9 / -11 )

Hope all is well with your booster. I am still vaxx virgin.

5 ( +17 / -12 )

I had the Moderna vaccine and quite severe side effects the day after I got the second dose.

Having said that, I prefer to go through a bit of pain than potentially catch and spread a deadly air-borne disease that has caused the biggest worldwide health crisis in living memory.

We have the privilege of being offered a booster shot. In many countries of the global south, the vaccine is still widely unavailable while in the global north, millions of doses get thrown away because each of us has their "opinion".

@Mat

Well put, I've heard arguments against the vaccine mostly based on cases of one or two people dying after they got it. This is, obviously, tragic, but apart from the fact that correlation doesn't mean causation, it's still nothing compared to the 5 million who died from the actual disease.

Between 75 and 90 percent (more in regions with lower vaccination rates) of all those hospitalised are not vaccinated. Many of them don't make it out of the hospital. Saying the vaccine is pointless because it doesn't offer 100% protection from the virus is like saying cancer patients shouldn't receive chemotherapy because it doesn't have a 100% success rate.

-5 ( +6 / -11 )

Tell that to the people who has personal bad experience in anything in their lives

What would that prove? What if someone had bad experiences while trying to stop smoking? or eating better? would that prove they are not good things to do? Personal experiences are the worst possible way to find out what is actually happening, Science was developed to correct this problem and to make much more valid conclusions according to the accumulation of information of thousands or millions of experiences with controls to avoid the bias and mistakes as much as possible.

My discussion with you ends here!

You understand this is a comment that is used when you run out of arguments and understand you can't defend your point anymore, right?

-1 ( +13 / -14 )

I received the Moderna vaccine and it took me out of commission for half a week. I'll probably get the booster shot but I'm not looking forward to it, especially the side effects. If my side effects from the second shot were that severe, I can't even fathom what the third shot will entail.

-3 ( +3 / -6 )

Mandatory jabbing? That’s political, not scientific. Or reasonable.

Mandatory jabbing is as valid as obligating people to stop smoking, in reality the only mandatory thing is the part where the personal decision with effects on public health have consequences precisely to limit those effects. For one would be to abstain from smoking in certain places, for the other to be in contact with people.

What I found interesting is where he say's, "I went to to India and got another vaccine." That means Sputnik V.

Any vaccine is better than no vaccine, even one plagued by ethical problems and that is impossible to evaluate thanks to the hiding of the raw data necessary to do it.

really? You are defending a shot that the Japan government has labeled as dangerous because of myocarditis in young man. Even if one person died, which they did from the shot, it should be pulled and replaced. But we already know which company they are going to use next, Novavax

The vaccines is not nearly as dangerous as not vaccinating, other vaccines can have a better safety profile, but that does not mean this one is dangerous to the degree of refusing it. And no, if no alternative was available it should never be pulled because not vaccinating comes with a higher risk of myocarditis on young people because of COVID.

You’re assuming the vaccine is better than the virus, if so, why would the FDA need 75 years to release all the documents? 

That is easy, they have 10 people to examine literally hundreds of thousands of pages, even when they already have hundreds of other previous requests to process. Making an overly generalized request without any detail just to get as much as possible even if it is of no consequence at the end is the problem.

Not to mention the proof of the vaccines safety and efficacy do not come anymore just from clinical trials but from the data of millions of vaccinated people all around the world for which neither the FDA or any company have any control.

-3 ( +12 / -15 )

@John

I can't give you an answer on that as I don't know what treatment is used in hospitals in more than 190 countries of the world. My comment was about vaccine efficiency, not treatment.

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

My wife and I both had two shots of the Pfizer and experienced zero pain or side effects.

1 ( +9 / -8 )

Not sure about people on this site but I have yet to meet a person that didn't have a side effect from the Moderna vaccine.

Yes, the Moderna dose is 3X that of Pfizer. All the students around me who got it had to stay home for a few days with fever. So even if one gets a half dose, it would still be larger than a regular Pfizer dose...

Well put, I've heard arguments against the vaccine mostly based on cases of one or two people dying after they got it.

One or two people? No, several thousands have died within hours of receiving the shots. Hundreds of thousand have become disabled by them.

Having said that, I prefer to go through a bit of pain than potentially catch and spread a deadly air-borne disease that has caused the biggest worldwide health crisis in living memory.

I prefer feeling tired for a day with Omicron that dying or becoming paralyzed by a shot.

0 ( +11 / -11 )

From 90% at the start wasn’t it?

95% effective against infection, 100% against severe infection, for at least 2 years, possibly a lifetime.

-12 ( +4 / -16 )

Even one that protects one from coronavirus by killing them before the person gets a chance to get infected with coronavirus?

Please stop spreading sensationalist misinformation. That happening once or even 10 times is still a relatively low risk compared to catching and spreading Covid-19.

Do you have a theory on why one of the most renowned cardiologists in USA would go to India to get a vaccine that isn't available in USA?

This is a very common argument among all types of conspiracy theorists. One (always "one") renowned expert who goes against the mainstream because they have "the truth" Pig Pharma (or whoever) doesn't want you to hear. I mean, the whole antivax movement really took off thanks to Andrew Wakefield, a (now former) doctor who was suggesting "a different vaccine" against measles. Turns out, he was the one doing it for financial profit, but I stray from the topic of the article, kind of.

-1 ( +7 / -8 )

Line me up

-3 ( +8 / -11 )

There's alot of questions as to if the vaccines are effective at all.

No there aren't.

5 ( +13 / -8 )

Trust in big brother and follow the herd.

Okay, so in my exchange with you and others in this comment section, I've presented several facts and (admittedly approximate) numbers, while others have either changed the subject or accused me of being brainwashed. So much for research and being well-informed.

As for Big Brother, it always baffles and amuses me at the same time how this concept keeps getting thrown around on social media, the content of which has proven to be manipulated, and using digital technology, perfect for tracking all your activity. This is literally how Orwellian surveillance works. But somehow, vaccines during a global pandemic are the real evil.

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

emergency use authorization.

its says it all.

2 ( +8 / -6 )

personal experience is a terribly poor replacement,

What???

Oh my godness...

Tell that to the people who has personal bad experience in anything in their lives, that their personal experience is a poor replacement because data and reports says different things.

Unbelievable...

My discussion with you ends here!

Personal experience is useful as a guide on some things, but completely useless in others and I agree with the earlier poster that one should be cautious in over-relying on it to form opinions about things like risk.

To give an example, if someone drives without wearing a seatbelt for a year and do not get into an accident, the conclusion they would logically reach based solely on their personal experience is that driving without a seatbelt is perfectly safe.

But we know that to be a wrong conclusion because we have lots of data demonstrating that seatbelts save lives when someone gets into an accident. This information can't be learned solely from personal experience until you are killed or injured in a car accident by which time it is too late, so relying solely on personal experience to decide whether wearing a seatbelt (or drunk driving or a load of other known dangerous behavior) is safe is just not a sound way of making that decision.

0 ( +7 / -7 )

@NOMINATION

I had the Moderna vaccine and had no side effects, and I know others who were fine, including my wife. I felt a bit tired the next day, that's it. It just depends on the individual. But if Pfizer worked for you, you should try to stick to it.

2 ( +6 / -4 )

Pfizer here, already been 4 months since double vaccinated and have hives skin allergy side effects.

Have been taking medicine every day.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronaviruslouisiana/comments/n28toj/developed_an_all_body_rash_from_the_moderna_shot/

-1 ( +5 / -6 )

virusrexToday  09:14 am JST

Being vaccinated actually lowers the risk for heat attacks and strokes, no matter your age and/or general health, this is because COVID is a hugely more important cause for this risk to increase.

No. Because getting vaccinated automatically increases the risk attributed to getting the vaccine. But one can chose not to get the vaccine.

It isn't true though that everyone who doesn't get the vaccine will get Covid.

If you get the vaccine there is nothing you can do to limit your risk from getting the vaccine.

But if you don't get the vaccine you can eliminate the risks attributed to Covid by not getting Covid.

You can be non-vaccinated and take actions to not get infected with Covid, thereby not incurring risks from both the vaccine, and Covid.

0 ( +11 / -11 )

Haven't taken the first or second of these jabs, and won't be taking the 3rd, 4th, 5th ad infinitum.

Take them if you want - knock yourself out. But forcing them on others on pains of missing out on everyday life and work if they refuse is purely immoral and beneath contempt.

1 ( +10 / -9 )

Virusrex

how many boosters you gonna have?

3 ( +9 / -6 )

You can be non-vaccinated and take actions to not get infected with Covid, thereby not incurring risks from both the vaccine, and Covid.

Yes, you can move out of the city and not interact with people.

But let's be realistic in admitting almost no one did that, nor will.

3 ( +11 / -8 )

@virusrex

Personal bias,

I agree with that. One of the most renowned cardiologists in USA wasn't comfortable with the vaccines available in USA.

desire for attention,

That's just patently untrue. He didn't even say the same. He merely said "another vaccine".

lack of preparation in a field outside of his expertise,

You can see the interview yourself. The link is still up. He says his qualifications right at the start, within the first 5 min. He is one of the most renowned cardiologists in USA but also an immunologist. Apart from the renowned medical professional and epidemiologist, Bill Gates, which 'expert' do you get your info from?

since he provide no data to justify his decision (just "videos")

The data is ample, coming out of every continent except Australasia. There is a highly effective and perfectly safe vaccine out there.

that remains exactly that, personal. And against the scientific and medical consensus. Still getting a faulty vaccine is better than getting no vaccine.

yeah, would that be the same "scientific and medial consensus" which signed off on the mRNA vaccines being 95% effective, 100% effective against serious Covid illness for at least 2 years, maybe a lifetime"?

0 ( +9 / -9 )

virusrexToday  12:32 pm JST

No. Because getting vaccinated automatically increases the risk attributed to getting the vaccine. But one can chose not to get the vaccine.

Yes, because not getting vaccinated automatically increase (by orders of magnitude more) the risk attributed to the infection. Specially because no one can "chose" not to get the infection.

But I didn't write no one can "choose" not to get the infection. I wrote:

But if you don't get the vaccine you can eliminate the risks attributed to Covid by not getting Covid.

Not getting vaccinated doesn't automatically mean you get infected by Covid.

And certainly one can limit significantly their risks of getting infected.

Or now you are arguing that wearing masks, avoiding large groups, staying inside in well-ventilated rooms won't limit the risk of getting Covid?

Where have you been for two years?

0 ( +11 / -11 )

If the vaccines are so effective then why the need for 14 day quarantines?

Keep rolling your sleeves up for the booster shots though….

-1 ( +9 / -10 )

Pfizer, no way. Moderna, definitely no way.

-2 ( +8 / -10 )

@virusrex

What expertise do you think is necessary to read what the experts publish all around the internet? an elementary school kid can do the same.

This is blatantly false, and you know it.

Despite the line you continue to push, there is no consensus among virology and immunology experts about the risks of the virus itself and its mutations, or on the safety and efficacy of the vaccines and treatments for the disease itself. Claiming there is consensus as you frequently do is simply dishonest.

Given the complexity, it is completely facetious to claim that an elementary school kid can understand published papers and the like on mechanisms of the vaccines and the medicines used to prevent or treat the disease. This complexity is why research is ongoing - by experts who are trying to unravel the unknown. Both the vaccines and treatments are being tweaked in response to the changing situation. A kid might be able to loosely grasp the bigger picture, but certainly not the nitty-gritty.

-6 ( +6 / -12 )

how many boosters you gonna have?

What importance does it have? which number would make any of the arguments false?

If you have given up adressing them that means you accept they are valid and prove you mistaken. That is a good first step.

I agree with that. One of the most renowned cardiologists in USA wasn't comfortable with the vaccines available in USA.

Without any evidence to justify his decision, which makes it completely personal, not something even worth recommending to other people because of its irrational nature. It may surprise you but credentials do not replace evidence. And anybody could act irrationally, which is why who says or do anything is not ever as important as the evidence that leads to that. No evidence? no importance.

That's just patently untrue. He didn't even say the same. He merely said "another vaccine".

Why would the name have anything to do, plenty of attention can be gained by refusing the available vaccines, he could be getting the Cuban vaccine, chinese or none, the effecti is no less true.

The data is ample, coming out of every continent except Australasia

But yet neither him nor you present anything, which would mean there is no data.

yeah, would that be the same "scientific and medial consensus" which signed off on the mRNA vaccines being 95% effective, 100% effective against serious Covid illness for at least 2 years, maybe a lifetime"?

Long term protection was always just a possibility, the same as variants that would make efficacy drops, the only ones endlessly promising eternal invulnerabilty are the people trying to push Sputnik.

But I didn't write no one can "choose" not to get the infection.

I never said you did, that is my argument that disprove yours.

Not getting vaccinated doesn't automatically mean you get infected by Covid.

But it still increases much more the risk from the infection, again, even if that is not 100% possibility. You need to understand what risk means. And how it keeps applying even if an event is not a certainity.

Is like wearing a seat belt, it increases the risks of you dying in certain situations (everything does) but it greatly decreases the risk of dying in much more common situations, which is why wearing it ends up lowering the risk, even if not waring it do not automatically means 100% risk of you having an accident.

Or now you are arguing that wearing masks, avoiding large groups, staying inside in well-ventilated rooms won't limit the risk of getting Covid?

This is scientifically proved, the measures do reduce the risk (as sure as you will be unable to prove otherwise), Saying that not keeping measures do not work is completely different from saying those measures do not work in the first place. Provide evidence measures bring no benefit and then you will have a point (which of course completey contradict your previous point of being able to "eliminate" the risks from COVID by not getting it)

-3 ( +9 / -12 )

how many boosters you gonna have?

I'll have as many as I need. I get the flu shot every year. If that's what it takes for Covid, ok. Not a hard decision at all.

2 ( +11 / -9 )

What expertise do you think is necessary to read what the experts publish all around the internet? an elementary school kid can do the same.

This is blatantly false, and you know it.

Which part is false?

2 ( +10 / -8 )

@prionking: Half the problem with your 'beliefs' is that you would take anything involving Joe Rogan seriously at all. It might as well have been Kermit the Frog giving the interview.

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

you used one statistics about unvaccinated hospital rates which may be true but the survival rate of the virus is 99.8% so the unvaxed will be fine. If you don’t believe big brother is trying to control you then just look at the vaccine passports, Korea city to implement racial recognition for “Covid tracing”, Japan banning drinking alcohol, whatever that tried to accomplish, it’s about submission and with your mentality it seems you already are submissive. I don’t mind if you want that for yourself, but the mentality you have is not the same as most. By all means though, let them slowly implement their control mechanisms. New York City introduced a proposal for detaining anyone they deem a medical dissident basically. That’s control my man

You have to be very careful.

If what you're saying is true they surely are out to get you and tracking you this very moment

-1 ( +5 / -6 )

StrangerlandToday  12:58 pm JST

I'll have as many as I need. I get the flu shot every year. If that's what it takes for Covid, ok. Not a hard decision at all.

Why are you taking the flu shots?

Anyway, just look at the facts. If you are not old, chances for survival is close to 100%.“Tell that to someone who died” is often the idiot comment heard. If you are old, your future is 6 feet under anyway so take the shot or don’t, it’s your own decision.

-2 ( +7 / -9 )

I'm considering getting the booster, I think I'll consult Joe Rogan if I should

-2 ( +5 / -7 )

 Claiming there is consensus as you frequently do is simply dishonest.

As I always said, you can easily prove me mistaken by bringing an official declaration from a well respected institution of science or medicine of any country of the world that says that vaccines are not safer than COVID.

You have failed to produce this every time you say there is no consensus, this means that there is one, very clearly.

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theResidentToday  01:09 pm JST

@prionking: Half the problem with your 'beliefs' is that you would take anything involving Joe Rogan seriously at all. It might as well have been Kermit the Frog giving the interview.

Where does "belief" come into it? Rogan isn't an expert and has never claimed to be one. He was simply interviewing Dr McCullough, who undeniably is an expert, even if you don't agree with what his research and experience with ACTUAL PATIENTS WITH COVID HE PERSONALLY SEES AND TREATS.

But you know better, so why not debate him yourself?

I'll get the popcorn.

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StrangerlandToday  01:01 pm JST

What expertise do you think is necessary to read what the experts publish all around the internet? an elementary school kid can do the same.

This is blatantly false, and you know it.

Which part is false?

If you can't figure that out, all hope is lost.

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I agree, all hope is lost that anyone will ever understand which part you somehow decided was "blatantly false".

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I can't believe people are seriously considering taking shots every years as if it's a normal thing.

Crazy world.

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Iron LadToday  01:17 pm JST

I can't believe people are seriously considering taking shots every years as if it's a normal thing.

Crazy world.

Lots of people have an annual flu shot and don't think twice about it.

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Why are you taking the flu shots?

I'm not, I "take" flu vaccines. Why? Cause the flu sucks. Never had anything from the vaccines other than a break from work while I walk over to the clinic and back.

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I can't believe people are seriously considering taking shots every years as if it's a normal thing.

I'd rather that then get long covid. Or the flu. Like I say, line me up.

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I can't believe people are seriously considering taking shots every years as if it's a normal thing.

Crazy world.

Yes that's normal.

People thinking they know better than the doctors are normal too.

Being afraid of vaccines is normal.

Unvaccinated people dying a lot more than the vaccinated is normal

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Where does "belief" come into it? Rogan isn't an expert and has never claimed to be one. He was simply interviewing Dr McCullough, who undeniably is an expert

McCullough seems to have become enamoured with the fame. He's one of those celebrity doctors, and once you bring fame and money into it, they generally lose a degree of their objective bias. When you're the medical guy on a news station with a distinct political bent, it's in your best interests to make your medical comments in line with the politics of that station.

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Whatever your doctor's advice is fine by me

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Japan's approach is best;

Offer to everyone, force no one.

At the end of the day, what you do with your body is your personal private choice.

Nobody should be bullied into making one choice or the other.

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