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Japan simplifies COVID tracking to focus on elderly, high-risk people

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Japan simplifies COVID tracking to focus on elderly, high-risk people

Japan simplify things, that's really rare news!

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There has been a glitch in The Matrix, do not panic. The black cat you just saw is just a once off.

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The move also follows calls from some medical and other experts to downgrade the classification of the coronavirus to a level similar to seasonal flu

I've been saying this since March 2020.

Glad that science has finally caught up with me.

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Japan simplifies COVID tracking to focus on elderly, high-risk people

Or Japan stops counting before the numbers explode with the influx of foreign visitors.

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I've been saying this since March 2020.

Which made absolutely no sense at the time, it is like a doctor that says to a patient he will no longer require chemotherapy for his cancer because it is now in complete remission and somebody says "see? I told you from the beginning you didn't need any of that"

It is not that science caught up with you, but that fortunately all the measures you disagree with made it possible for this to be considered.

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Or Japan stops counting before the numbers explode with the influx of foreign visitors.

You might want to reread the article again

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I've been saying this since March 2020.

Glad that science has finally caught up with me.

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I've been saying this since March 2020.

Glad that science has finally caught up with me.

Odd thing to say, everything you've been saying has been being trampled by science from the very beginning

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The move also follows calls from some medical and other experts to downgrade the classification of the coronavirus to a level similar to seasonal flu

in Japan I have had seasonal flu, COVID-19 and influenza. The first two were a minor inconvenience, but influenza totally knocked down for about 10 days.

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The only care that infected people got was on being admitted to hospital.

A phone call once a day and an oxygen sensor cannot be considered as care.

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The government is running out of money with reality hitting inflation. Politicians have no answers to stopping COVID. Let’s keep printing money. Let’s have taxpayers pay for a state funeral of a scandalous former prime minister. Let’s spend money on ineffective vaccines that can’t keep pace with a mutating virus. Let’s call out people for misinformation because it doesn’t match the government narrative. Then those so-called misinformed people turn out to be correct. This pandemic has been politicized beyond approach. Don’t expect politicians to admit they were wrong and ignorant. They are health experts, right?

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@virusrex,

Why is it nonsensical to think this was known in March of 2020? The virus showed it's characteristics very early on. Dramatically low mortality for most people other than high risk groups. Why has there been such vehement rebuke of extreme covid measures, requiring media censorship and government mandates in some places? Because it was always seen as obviously overblown from the beginning.

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Because it was always seen as obviously overblown from the beginning.

Hahahaha always seen as obviously overblown from the beginning?

People were dropping like flies in Europe and the Americas.

Obviously overblown from the beginning?

That's the most idiotic thing I've read here so far.

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The only care that infected people got was on being admitted to hospital

they were told to stay home because it was a strain to the health system

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@ian,

People in high risk groups were dying, yes. Perhaps you missed my point? The vast majority of people who got infected weren't dying or getting seriously ill and that was clear from March 2020. In fact, if you recall, it was mostly asymptomatic cases that led to the push for social distancing.

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My goodness, you guys even manage to argue about the end of the daily infection figures. And it’s still the same people making the same comments.

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Why is it nonsensical to think this was known in March of 2020?

Because the only reason this reduction of risk has been achieved without countless deaths is because of vaccination and better treatment as well as less pathogenic variants. This means the measures in place were able to prevent countless deaths until the risk decreases enough so the measures gradually become less necessary.

The experts do NOT share the opinion that the measures were overblown or unnecessary in general, they surely know much better than someone baselessly proposes no benefit was gained with them.

The vast majority of people who got infected weren't dying or getting seriously ill and that was clear from March 2020.

Enough people were getting sick to swamp health services in many countries around the world, when everybody that requires hospitalization can't get it that means those numbers got converted into deaths. Reducing infections had the very important effect of preventing this when vaccines were not available.

Can you bring any institution of medicine or science that supports your personal opinion that measures in general were unnecessary or overblown? No? why do you think this happens?

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I've been saying this since March 2020.

Which made absolutely no sense at the time,

The Great Barrington Declaration.

The Declaration has been signed by Professors Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford University, Sunetra Gupta of Oxford University, and Martin Kulldorff of Harvard University, argue that societies across the globe should reopen immediately and completely. Along with 3,089 other medical and public health scientists, 4,532 medical practitioners. (You know, actual doctors and experts in virus epidemiology)

It was signed on October 4, 2020

It made perfect sense at the time to actual experts, not the keyboard charlatans.

They were ignored.

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There are so many reputable institutions that have been critical of lockdowns and other measures. Media collusion with global health agencies had a lot to do with making sure those opposing viewpoints got lumped in with mumbo jumbo and crackpot theories. It doesn't mean they were wrong just diminished. Remember the trick is to question the science, not believe in it.

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The Great Barrington Declaration.

Yes, a very clear example of pseudoscience and disinformation that was clearly recognized as such immediately after being published, with experts all over the world criticizing the baseless arguments collected in the declaration and how the accumulating evidence clearly contradicted the main point from what the conclusions were taken.

They were ignored.

No they were not, they were debunked, later found hidden interests as their motives and people being unwillingly or unknowingly added to the declaration to make it appear more important.

In the end no actual scientific data supported the declaration and the actual experts in the field spend a lot of efforts to communicate the multiple things that were wrong with it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration

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There are so many reputable institutions that have been critical of lockdowns and other measures.

specific instances? yes, but to the measures in general as you are assuming? no, not at all, as clearly as you could not bring any of them and still commented to make that evident.

Media collusion with global health agencies had a lot to do with making sure those opposing viewpoints got lumped in with mumbo jumbo and crackpot theories

You mean ALL of the institutions of the world are in a supposed conspiracy to hide the opposing viewpoints of the rest of them (as in the zero remaining)? how does that works in your mind?

 It doesn't mean they were wrong just diminished. Remember the trick is to question the science, not believe in it.

What you are trying to push is not question the science, is to promote things already demonstrated as false just because you like them, and to ignore the scientific consensus of the world without bothering to bring any evidence they are wrong, much less of data of the quantity and quality necessary to actually question it.

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@RodneyToday 08:33 am JST

in Japan I have had seasonal flu, COVID-19 and influenza. The first two were a minor inconvenience, but influenza totally knocked down for about 10 days.

What is the difference between seasonal flu and influenza ? Is the later the new influenza, H1N1 if I am not wrong, appearing in 2009 ?

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I certainly would participate in any Covid tracking system if I believed that the government and health agencies were competent and had our health and well being at heart. But I quickly realized this was not the case, far from it. So I will continue to ignore and/or resist any measure they try to introduce, no matter how simplified it is...

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I certainly would participate in any Covid tracking system if I believed that the government and health agencies were competent and had our health and well being at heart.

What do you mean "participate"? the tracking system is being used by health care professionals as part of their duties, so it is not like they can simply choose to do it or not. Refusing to do their part on epidemiological surveys would be what indicates more clearly that their interest would not be having public health and well being at hearth.

What is the difference between seasonal flu and influenza ? Is the later the new influenza, H1N1 if I am not wrong, appearing in 2009 ?

No difference, flue is just another world for influenza. Pandemic influenza would be the one different from seasonal influenza.

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Japan began Monday to simplify its coronavirus reporting system by targeting elderly and high-risk people in a bid to reduce the administrative burden on hospitals and local health centers.

Ok, just hide some numbers.

Makes things easier.

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Ok, just hide some numbers.

What numbers do you think will be hidden? The article clearly says the reporting of positive cases will continue the same, only names and addresses of those at lower risk will no longer are required to be included in the reports

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What numbers do you think will be hidden? The article clearly says the reporting of positive cases will continue the same, only names and addresses of those at lower risk will no longer are required to be included in the reports

I don't "think" numbers will be hidden. If you read the article past the first paragraph the answer is right there.

I've been saying this since March 2020.

Which made absolutely no sense at the time,

Good to see you finally understand it now. These things can take time.

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I don't "think" numbers will be hidden. If you read the article past the first paragraph the answer is right there.

No, it is not, the "targeting elderly and high-risk people" means names and addresses of other people will not need to be reported, this applies only for elderly and high risk people. Your assumption that the positive cases of other groups will not be reported is completely mistaken.

Good to see you finally understand it now. These things can take time.

The situation at the time made is what made the position nonsense, the situation is completely different by now which is why the experts opinion is that measures can be relaxed to a certain degree. Once effective vaccines, better treatments and a much more transmissible variant become present then measures like lockdowns become unnecessary or even counterproductive, which is why China is considered outdated and unsustainable in their policies against covid.

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