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Tokyo hospital reports group infections as Japan fears 2nd virus wave

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Wait a minute. What's wrong? Thought the status quo here was "everything's fine, go about your normal lives"?

14 ( +23 / -9 )

Just follow the Swedish model already,

Let the virus run its course, we're merely delaying the inevitable.

Like SARS and MERS, it will eventually snuff out naturally.

-18 ( +19 / -37 )

Before the Olympics the number of cases were very low, but once the games were canceled there was a spike in the number of cases. Just before the state of emergency was lifted the numbers were down to single digits for at least 7 days, then as the SOE was lifted, boom the numbers spike! Come on Japan, you can't keep running the same plays and not have people notice what you are doing!

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burning bush, just look at the number of deaths Sweden had. it's idiotic to propose following one of the worst model.. I'm shocked you didn't write "just follow US, Mr. President knows what's good for you".

14 ( +25 / -11 )

The country needs to remain alert to further outbreaks and step up its testing.

17 ( +17 / -0 )

Now I wonder how it could be possible to get a better understanding of the virus throughout the whole country. If only there was some kind of test they could do, on mass, to find out just how prevalent this thing still is.

16 ( +16 / -0 )

Does anyone else remember when Japan changed the standards for testing?

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Testing, testing, testing. No matter how lucky Japan may have been to fend off a disaster the first time, if they don't test aggressively, this will just continue to be an unpredictable situation for months to come. The testing capacity must be utilized to its maximum, especially in the bigger cities like Tokyo.

11 ( +14 / -3 )

Just when you thought it was safe to go into the water...

7 ( +8 / -1 )

The real number of infections and death by corona virus in Japan is about 100 times what is reported.

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B. Jay

The real number of infections and death by corona virus in Japan is about 100 times what is reported.

So that would be reflected in the monthly death rates but they don't show that.

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Just before the state of emergency was lifted the numbers were down to single digits for at least 7 days, then as the SOE was lifted, boom the numbers spike! Come on Japan, you can't keep running the same plays and not have people notice what you are doing!

this is laughable. if the gov't was fudging the numbers, why didn't they just keep fudging the numbers? it doesn't make sense for them to so quickly release "real" infection cases, does it? you conspiracy theory people are always screaming fake news when the numbers don't agree with you. but suddenly

3 ( +7 / -4 )

the numbers are accurate when it jibes with your perception. this is called cognitive dissonance. and DTJ is a shining example of it.

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Second wave? Please... this is a second peak on the first wave. And was completely predictable. When's it coming? Let's see... exactly two weeks to the day that the state of emergency was lifted in most prefectures (and people acted like it was where it was not), and people thronged to the local malls, etc. Passed by a Kura Zushi shop yesterday at 12:00 and the place was packed, with a long, non-socially distancing line going out the door.

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Case in point. My wife and I took her mother to a large general hospital for her high blood pressure examination. Outside, just before entering there were several tables set up to check people entering the hospital. They had the hand sanitizers, asked people to wear masks and checked the body temperature. They checked for fever only for the person who had an appointment. They didn't check my wife or me. There, what's wrong with this picture? Japan is not ready to open up when even the hospitals can't get it right.

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Just because we Japan had a 1 month SOE lock down and very low CCP virus testing cases...how could anyone in their right minds had thought we would be out of the woods??? This pademic is not over and Japan continues to lag behind against the fight against COVID-19. Whats even more scarier is why is China numbers not going up as if they have the virus under control...its been hover at 82,000 for the last 3 months or so as I check daily on the number of infection per country.

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Just follow the Swedish model already

Sweden has yet to reach herd immunity and it could take just as long as it takes to find a vaccine to achieve. Only around 7% have the antibodies in Stockholm, while scientists say you need around 70%. If a vaccine isn't found in the next 2 years, the Swedish model might be the only realistic option. The question is, how long can we continue living like this? Maybe instead of testing for the coronavirus and antibodies, we should be testing for "weak immune systems" and strongly recommend that those people stay isolated. Some scientists are saying this could be with us forever.

-2 ( +4 / -6 )

I think Doraemon could figure this challenge out better than any Japanese politician.

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Burning Bush, in the U.S. more than 100,000 have died even with more strict measures having been taken in many places, and the virus shows no signs whatsoever of petering out. On the contrary, another 200,000+ deaths are predicted for the rest of the year. Letting the virus simply “take its course” would infect many more people more quickly and therefore kill many more. Is that what you want for Japan? How many more patients are Japan’s hospitals equipped to handle at once? Not many. How many patients with other conditions would be temporarily kept out of hospitals and doctor’s offices because of it? Too many.

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"New normal" is a euphemism for "Same stupid." Nothing has changed. Humanity is still the butt of its own joke.

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https://thecritic.co.uk/were-all-in-the-big-numbers-now/

This is in the public domain and a very well written article. I kindly ask the moderater not to remove it as it lays down some very clear facts and truths.

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It’s not about disinfecting the entire hospital.

It is about testing staff for the virus and handing out masks to in patients and hand disinfecting at the entrance.

This is not being undertaken in Japan.

Then, setting up strict zoning in the hospital once infections have been noted.

The local hoken sho will now pay that (unnamed) hospital a visit and bollock the staff whereupon they will rush to do as much damage control as possible.

However, the damage has already been done...

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Just testing for the presence of COVID doesn't help in addressing what cases will become severe and what cases will be more mild. Recent study from UConn and others suggests that a specific genotype (APOE E4) can predict whether a COVID positive patient will develop severe symptoms that have a higher chance of requiring hospitalization. The results were robust regardless of the presence of co-morbidities.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.07.20094409v2

3 ( +3 / -0 )

Second wave? This next outbreak, resurgence will be the third wave.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

Why everybody bashes @burning?

he is probably right.

Seasonal influenza kills the same number. No reports of the death rate for that one. Hidden. Lockdown suicide rates? NWO/1984 tracking apps?

just wash your hands, social distance and relax for a while. Beach time bbqs will come after the rainy season.

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Before the Olympics the number of cases were very low, but once the games were canceled there was a spike in the number of cases. Just before the state of emergency was lifted the numbers were down to single digits for at least 7 days, then as the SOE was lifted, boom the numbers spike! Come on Japan, you can't keep running the same plays and not have people notice what you are doing!

Of course the most natural conclusion would be SOE was lifted - infections increased.

Gotta love the JT conspiracy theories, though.

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Infection routes have not been identified in most of the 22 cases reported between Saturday and Wednesday, local officials said.

You wanna bet the majority of those cases involve the sex industry?

-6 ( +0 / -6 )

What a disaster and what a joke, we can't get the economy back on track while this thing is going rogue.

Trace and test like everyone else.

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@Oldman youve been screaming for weeks open the economy open the economy without any solution..well here it is herd immunity strong will live weak will die....end of story...so there you go your economy is now open for business..

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@goodlucktoyou - Outside lunches recommenced with a flourish today :) And yes, your advice is spot on.

Enough already, if you are fit and healthy and limit your social exposure then it's something we will have to deal with on a daily basis. Protect the old, protect those who are immune compromised and start getting things moving. Right now, If it terrifies you, (which is TOTALLY acceptable) just self isolate.

Very tired of this hysterical 'Lockdowners' on this forum. Its contained here. The borders are closed. To repeat, its up to all of us to be clean - be sensible - socially distance - support business and most importantly get on with life.

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it's idiotic to propose following one of the worst model.

All things considered Sweden didn't choose to cut off their nose to spite their face. When things calm down and people take stock of the carnage aftermath,Sweden's handling will look better than many other countries, that will have the knock on effect of suicides due to mounting debt,loss of jobs and civil unrest etc,which is going on as of now.Some people are thinking of a utopian no-one dies scenario,but the reality is when your time's up,it's up.

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therougue: "You wanna bet the majority of those cases involve the sex industry?"

Sure! You're on. Now, you have a day to provide the evidence. Otherwise you owe me. Now, if you go looking in person, be careful on the packed trains, or the convenience stores as people ignore the newly applied stickers as to where to stand, the supermarkets where people bud in front of others to see discounted, hand made items, etc.

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theResident: "Very tired of this hysterical 'Lockdowners' on this forum."

So, you'll take responsibility for the deaths that occur?

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@smith in japan

So, you'll take responsibility for the deaths that occur?

What kind of response is that?

Absolutely zero relevance to what theResident said.

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Monty: "What kind of response is that? Absolutely zero relevance to what theResident said."

Wrong. He ordered people to get out and support business and move on, and if he and others are going to be so cavalier with others' lives, they need to be willing to be responsible if they are to be considered credible. Pretty easy from behind your computer to demand people go out and engage in daily life activities, from commuting to work to shopping in crowded places.

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I said, nothing is safe until the ANTIDOTE is here. This issue concerns people's life.

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I'm so livid with this "growing pain" drama - my gut says the "numbers" are way below the Elite's expectations, so...we are likely to face another wave to intensify PTSD! GOD help us all!

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@TARA TAN KITAOKA if you have pre existing conditions are elderly you need to be concerned...if so get a book stay home otherwise others want to live their lives and get on with things...you can blame the government of Japan for making such a mess of things..there may never be an antidote so you may as well forget that idea.....

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According to the NY Times, about one third of all US Covid deaths have been in nursing homes.

How about here in Japan?

Does anyone know?

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@TedSales well they are treating the public like mushrooms you know put them in a dark room feed them full of........

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According to the NY Times, about one third of all US Covid deaths have been in nursing homes.

How about here in Japan?

Does anyone know?

Not really, I guess Japanese over 80 are super healthy because there have been many cases of infections in elderly care homes but no reports of multiple deaths that I can think of that made the many news.

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