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Should read - with Japan lagging behind other 3rd world countries with its vaccination roll out

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So, 180 days to do both shots for 900,000 people. That's 6 months people. Some countries can do that in one day.

This is nothing more than a publicity stunt to make people believe things are getting done. They need at least 10 of these sites to make a difference.

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My family and friends abroad -including under 40s- have all been jabbed already. Why haven’t Japanese?

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This is actually getting really embarrassing now and I'm not even Japanese.

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Why does japan have to follow other countries on vaccinations ? Japan is doing quite well without them. Why would you want to take some untested vaccine in your body-

Because vaccinations are much safer than catching COVID, proved scientifically, and no, vaccines are not untested, they were tested and have proved to be safe and effective without problem, and even confirmed with millions over millions of doses over the world.

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Nakayama would have brought along “500 nurses” to help out but

- “Mr. Suga says “many are taking time off now.” -

prior to the Olympics.

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Still trying to figure out how they ended up thinking that the best solution was to get 10,000 people together in a single place in central Tokyo for vaccination. It does not really help that much having everything concentrated in a single place if the rate of vaccination is not going to increase that much and it will put the people at risk of contagion not only by being there but also if they use public transport.

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A contagious virus? Let’s make people travel together particularly the elderly to congregate as a mass to no doubt fill out various forms manually sharing a pen, (relevant data should be on computer) then shuffle through a maze of lines on a hot day. To get their jab. If it was actually organized (wearing a thinking cap on) Local distribution points makes a whole lot more sense? But not such a dramatic photo opportunity.

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@virusrex how would you propose vaccinating large numbers of people without bringing them to large vaccination centers? Can’t go it all at the taikukan

Why don't they leave it with the various ward offices they know every elderly living in their jurisdiction, the elderly shouldn't even be required to call or make reservations online as even someone young won't be able to succeed due to system failure Arrangement should be made for them to have their shots at the nearest local private clinic,

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Maybe vaccines in the vast majority of cases have shown thus far to be better than catching Covid yet there are issues. These vaccines have not be proved safe and effective without doubt as the timescale for their delivery is too short to claim that.

That is a false argument, there is always room for improvement, but that is no excuse to use what we have available when it is hugely better than the infection. Your problem is assuming we can only use something if it is perfect, that is nonsense. If a vaccine lowers your chance of dying from 1/100 to 1/1000000 then that is objectively much better.

The timescale for the deliver exceeds 10 years, which is the time that has been dedicated to develop a system that could let us have a coronavirus vaccine that is effective and safe and that began from the first SARS scare, many candidates were tried in order to optimize the vaccines.

Vaccines are much safer than the infection, and very effective in preventing complications, death and even tranmsission according to the scientific and medical community in general, you thinking otherwise has no real weight against it, for that the minimum you would have to find is a well recognized institution that have something to do with the pandemic saying that vaccines are not safer than COVID.

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I never make false arguments to the best of my knowledge

That does not mean you don't do, just that you may not realize when you do it.

For example

Thus, we cannot conclude without a doubt there are no long term serious effects of this vaccination.

That is a false argument, we do not need to conclude without a doubt there will not be long term serious effects, we only need to know this risk is much lower than those effects happening with COVID, and we already know that, simply because COVID already have produced those problems.

Another example

nobody can say this vaccine is totally safe long term and will remain effective for any period of time against new mutations

This is another example of something that has no importance, the vaccine do not need to be totally safe, just safer than COVID, if that is known then its use is already justified. It is also not important if it remains effective for a year or for 10, in either case using it will save lives, so the alternative (to let people die unnecessarily) is completely unjustified. Specially because COVID has been with us less time that mRNA vaccines, so it is still more likely than other long term or permanent problems come from the infection.

In short, we don't need to know the future to be able to say COVID represents more risk than the vaccines, that is where your argument can be proved false.

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Sounds insufficient to me, but nevertheless an improvement over doing nothing.

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I presume you have already had your first shot of the experimental vaccine and looking forward to the next jabs. Let us know how you get on in the following months. The Ferrets that they tested the vaccines all died of Covid. MSN does not tell this.

Terribly sorry but all your information in every of your comments is false, you should try getting it from better sources, pre-clinical trials for the vaccines were completed without problems, and so were the clinical trials ones, after which the vaccines are not longer experimental, they are being used for their therapeutic value now.

@virusrex how would you propose vaccinating large numbers of people without bringing them to large vaccination centers? Can’t go it all at the taikukan

It is not such a big secret, Japan would only need to follow the lead of the countries that have done precisely this without too much difficulties, approve more vaccines that have already been proved safe and effective, distribute the vaccines to countless spaces for vaccination to be done freely, delegate the act of vaccinating to professionals that can do it without problem (nurses, dental health professionals, etc) with a responsible doctor to deal with unexpected reactions or specific questions from the public, use mobile clinics, drive thru vaccination sites, etc.

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Shouldn’t they go to the Olympics village so normal tax paying citizens can have decent healthcare?

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@Vic m. Why do I care what the USA or the FDA think ?

@falseflagsteve - your argument is arguesakeof and makes little sense

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Ok, you have made up your mind, the vaccine is the only and best solution to Covid and it’s totally safe in long term, guaranteed

If your only option against an argument you cannot defeat is to ignore it and instead discuss against things that nobody ever said then maybe it is time to look back and think why you are so sure about something that can be so easily proved false.

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Good heavens, vic.M please tell us more about The Ferrets.

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With Japan lagging behind other advanced countries in its rollout, the government plans to set up large-scale inoculation centers in Tokyo and Osaka to be staffed by Self-Defense Forces doctors and nurses, separately from similar vaccination efforts being made by local municipalities. A good idea would be locate the vaccination centers at the local elementary schools, and high schools in each prefecture that way the people in the prefectures can go to those location and get vaccinated.

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So, 180 days to do both shots for 900,000 people. That's 6 months people. Some countries can do that in one day.

They don't do them all at one site though. Don't compare one vaccination site to an entire country.

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Army (sorry, defense force) official visits vaccination centre... seriously, this is news? Just hurry up and start doing it, Japan govt!

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@virusrex how would you propose vaccinating large numbers of people without bringing them to large vaccination centers? Can’t go it all at the taikukan

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Come on Japan what the HELL are you doing!!! These vaccination sites should have been sorted out like 8months ago YOU KNEW vaccinations were coming......WHY THE HELL did you wait to start figuring what to do only when vaccinations were literally landing in country......

The degree of incompetence here is out of the stratosphere!!!

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Unfortunately, contrary to your undying faith in pharma, these COVID vaxxes are not safer than COVID but great for corrupt Pharma:

Again your information can be easily proven false, every point. Beginning with the fact that is not "pharma" that proved the vaccines safe and effective but the scientific and medical community in general, as sure as you have never provided proof any recognized institution backs up your mistaken explanations.

COVID-19 vaccines do prevent infection, complications, death and even transmission according to the latest data, that would prove you wrong.

The mRNA vaccines do not increase at all any of the adverse events when compared with non-vaccinated people, that proves the vaccines are not producing those effects nor the deaths but they are simply what you would expect from following the people even if you never vaccinated them.

Vaccine companies are still perfectly liable, as proved by suspensions and investigations (which are a form of liability) so you are wrong on that also.

No drug ever have showed even a comparable effect to the protection offered by vaccines, much less one like ivermectin that has less effect the better the research is done to investigate it. You know that people still die after being treated with ivermectin, right? according to you that is enough to prove it useless.

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@virusrex

Ok, you have made up your mind, the vaccine is the only and best solution to Covid and it’s totally safe in long term, guaranteed.

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@Virusrex

I never make false arguments to the best of my knowledge. What I think is irrelevant and I know about this type of vaccine has been researched for a decade but not put to widespread use. Thus, we cannot conclude without a doubt there are no long term serious effects of this vaccination.

I never claimed that Covid is safer than the vaccine but nobody can say this vaccine is totally safe long term and will remain effective for any period of time against new mutations

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@Virusrex

Maybe vaccines in the vast majority of cases have shown thus far to be better than catching Covid yet there are issues. These vaccines have not be proved safe and effective without doubt as the timescale for their delivery is too short to claim that.

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virusrex

I presume you have already had your first shot of the experimental vaccine and looking forward to the next jabs. Let us know how you get on in the following months. The Ferrets that they tested the vaccines all died of Covid. MSN does not tell this.

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Why does japan have to follow other countries on vaccinations ? Japan is doing quite well without them. Why would you want to take some untested vaccine in your body- most people won't even eat GMO foods. By the way, the FDA of USA does not approve these vaccinations, and under pressure allows them to be used.

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