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Yet... we don't know how many were tested...

17 ( +24 / -7 )

Nice one John. Aimed at the usual guy. Huh?

Besides. Most people are asymptomatic, right?

Why do they bother with temp. Checks then?

-25 ( +2 / -27 )

May 25th

‘Japan model’ has beaten coronavirus, Shinzo Abe declares.

Yeah nice one.

21 ( +25 / -4 )

She is probably only concentrating, but she really does look like a Bond baddie about to shoot the poor girl in the head with a laser!

Watching carefully but I suspect this will be a common occurrence around the world as restrictions are eased. I think an important factor moving forward will be how it is dealt with, to restrict and limit the impact. We are not going to be out of this until/if we get a vaccine.

7 ( +10 / -3 )

Japan never really locked down at all and the virus never gained traction in Japan.

July and August will see transport routes open abroad but this winter might see a more virulent virus return ie round 2

8 ( +14 / -6 )

We are not going to be out of this until/if we get a vaccine.

Dont tell Abe this!

You are totally right! People are going to get lazy and think that it's "over" and then either them or someone they know is going to test positive, and then they will scream bloody murder because Abe and company have claimed it's over!

13 ( +18 / -5 )

Useless info Kyodo! Why can't we find out how many were tested?

12 ( +17 / -5 )

We have seen a surge in domestic traffic down here, and I am personally afraid that we will start having cases pop up, like it happened at the end of March into April, and things will shut down again!

I have seen far too many わ and れ cars once again screwing traffic up here, and folks out and about with no masks, and not practicing any form of social distancing. Like they feel as if they are immune to anything because there havent been any new cases here in nearly two months!

I sincerely wish that the government here would come up with some law that forces any and all visitors here from mainland prefectures that still have cases of the virus to quarantine for 14 days before they are allowed into society!

5 ( +11 / -6 )

Yet... we don't know how many were tested...

...

Why can't we find out how many were tested?

Japan did 3,533 domestic tests (88 positive) on June 28 (most recent info), as well as 1,650 tests at airports (3 positive) for int'l arrivals, though the positive results may be from tests the day or two before.

This info is published by the governmet daily (for June) here:

https://www.mhlw.go.jp/stf/houdou/houdou_list_202006.html

There is also a more detailed compilation for all data (in English) here:

https://toyokeizai.net/sp/visual/tko/covid19/en.html

Bookmark these and stop complaining.

10 ( +19 / -9 )

According to https://stopcovid19.metro.tokyo.lg.jp/en/?tab=reference the number of tests is around 1800 per day in Tokyo. The data is delayed (the latest is from June 25 while today is June 28), but it at least provides the testing data people are asking for.

11 ( +11 / -0 )

The data is delayed (the latest is from June 25 while today is June 28), but it at least provides the testing data people are asking for.

Testing data does not show how many individual tests were made. Multiple tests have been made on people who have already tested positive.

Testing data needs to show how many tests were unique in nature and not just the numbers of tests done!

11 ( +13 / -2 )

The government already declared that Japan have beaten Covid. So to say there's any more spread or implement any more measures would be losing face. Japan can no longer say that there's covid spread in Japan, they have to keep to their word from now on and will say there's no community spread in Japan.

Why do they bother with temp. Checks then?

Because according to Japanese government/media people without fever and asymptomatic people cannot spread virus. No one's there to check the science anyways.

7 ( +11 / -4 )

I thought they would enact a SOE again (in Tokyo) if it reached, or exceeded 50?

10 ( +11 / -1 )

Nothing from Koike - she does not want to compromise her re-election bid.

9 ( +9 / -0 )

To be honest, I am getting tired of that kind of news.

Everywhere in the world new cases are coming up. Also in cities and countries which were long time under strict lockdown, new cases, sometimes more than 400, are coming up every day.

It is exactly like english aspyrgent said, We are not going to be out of this until/if we get a vaccine.

Until a vaccine is found can take many years. So it doesnt make any difference if there are 60 new cases, 600 or 6000.

We have to live with this virus, go on with our lives by doing our best possible personal prevention, and hoping for a vaccine within the next years.

3 ( +11 / -8 )

Lockdown Tokyo before it is too late...

-6 ( +5 / -11 )

Japan did 3,533 domestic tests (88 positive) on June 28 (most recent info), as well as 1,650 tests at airports (3 positive) for int'l arrivals, though the positive results may be from tests the day or two before.

Well the number you posted are the number of people tested, it is well known that those that tested positive undergo several further test in some cases 7 tests on one individual. To get a better picture. The number of infected cases should be against the number of unique test. With pro baseball, soccer players and other pro sports players doing frequent repeated gives a distorted picture of test having increased and readily available to the general public which is not the case.

The mlhw states that it had pcr testing capability of 29,687/day yet could only perform pcr test on a meager 3583 persons.

5 ( +7 / -2 )

Japan never really locked down at all and the virus never gained traction in Japan.

Yeah, with the pathetic pcr testing rate it never did and will never never gain traction as test will never be ramped up.

4 ( +7 / -3 )

@kurisupisu: 'Lockdown' Define your meaning of that in this huge city. Define the law that could actually make it happen, and state what you will you do about the mass job loss, the irreversible harm to the economy and death that will follow from that due to depression and suicide. Its very easy for you to just keep saying 'Lockdown' - but you don't even know what ir means or entails.

The virus is EVERYWHERE. Period. There is not going to be a vaccine at any point in the near future and as you well know as its a virus, a cure. We are going to have to learn to live it. Accept the J Government are not going to test on mass. I really can't believe this that still complain about this knowing full well its not going to happen.

Prevent. Prevent. Prevent. Wash your hands. Wear a mask. Stay off public transport if it is possible for you. Work from home. Don't eat out. Don't socialize. Whatever of the above combination works for you - but please just stop posting one word ('Lockdown') answers.

11 ( +13 / -2 )

May 25th

‘Japan model’ has beaten coronavirus, Shinzo Abe declares.

Of course he never actually said that, but good for you.

7 ( +8 / -1 )

Well done, welcome back to March.

Well played everyone. All your efforts have been wasted.

-6 ( +4 / -10 )

With people returning to their usual habits of socializing unnecessarily ( important social gatherings can’t be avoided ) , traveling in crowded trains during rush hour, not washing their hands frequently and so on, this was to be expected! People think that as long as they wear a mask they are safe...lol ! It’s not a hazmat suit! Yes, wearing a mask can assist in reducing the chances of getting infected but it should go hand in hand with other practices such as frequently washing hands, avoiding crowded areas, avoid touching the face. I’ve seen people adjusting their mask almost every 5 minutes and this defeats the purpose of wearing it! President Trump never wears a mask but follows other cautionary approaches and hasn’t been infected until now! That’s a clear evidence that you can be safe even without a mask as long as nobody coughs or sneezes on your face!

-5 ( +2 / -7 )

New Zealand and Mainland China have their numbers in the single, low double digits . . . maybe Japan, Tokyo can learn from them . . .

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

In March we knew next to nothing and were unprepared.

Now,

Doctors have a better understanding of effective treatments.

2.the death rate is lower than feared

3.to date no child in japan has died

3.there are thousands of hotel beds prepared

Medical institutions have implemented effective measures. (Rates of hospital clusters have decreased

5.The risk of infection is lower than feared. (~1% in tokyo)

Japanese are not dying in high numbers ( low obesity rates are a possible factor)

Lockdowns have proven unable to eliminate the virus.

The infection rate has gone down in local areas such as kita kyushu without returning to s.oe

8.people wear masks everywhere.

The whole idea was and still is not to overwhelm hospitals. The overshoot number is now far higher than before.

0 ( +7 / -7 )

Checks the body temperature in Fukuoka is everywhere, even there is no new infected Covid-19. Tokyo people to visit Fukuoka I don't think it's good now, with numbers increasing there.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Lockdowns have proven unable to eliminate the virus.

No one who pushed the lockdown measures ever claimed lockdown was going to eliminate the virus. They repeated over and over 'flatten the curve'. Some people lacking in reading comprehension somehow thought this meant that the virus would or even could be eliminated by the lockdowns.

Then when these people realize their mistake, they try to cover up their misunderstanding by claiming they were lied to.

8 ( +9 / -1 )

@strangeland

 Some people lacking in reading comprehension somehow thought this meant that the virus would or even could be eliminated by the lockdowns.

I think I lot of people think/ thought that the goal is/was to eliminate the virus. Wear a mask, practice good hygine and stay home if sick is all we can and need to do.

Either, we are going to get lucky and the virus mutates to extinction, or we are going to more likely have 60 cases a day 10 years from now too. A vaccine didnt eliminate the flu so why should corona be different.

1 ( +5 / -4 )

I think I lot of people think/ thought that the goal is/was to eliminate the virus.

And again, with no one telling us that, it's their own fault that they believed something that was never stated was the goal or would happen.

It's like buying a lottery ticket and being angry you didn't win.

Wear a mask, practice good hygine and stay home if sick is all we can and need to do.

Yes, to flatten the curve.

Either, we are going to get lucky and the virus mutates to extinction, or we are going to more likely have 60 cases a day 10 years from now too. A vaccine didnt eliminate the flu so why should corona be different.

Sigh. The sad thing is you say this statement in full confidence, without realizing the huge fallacy in thinking behind it.

Let's start with there's no such thing as 'the flu'. Every year, various viruses come out and are packaged under the generic term 'the flu', the same way various colds are packaged under 'a cold'.

So yeah, the flu vaccine hasn't eliminated viruses that don't exist yet. Um yeah, because how would they?

But you seem to have made the very incorrect assumption that the vaccines don't work on the strains of virus they ARE targeted against.

1 ( +3 / -2 )

@strangeland

strangeRland.

1 ( +3 / -2 )

Every year, various viruses come out and are packaged under the generic term 'the flu', the same way various colds are packaged under 'a cold'.

So yeah, the flu vaccine hasn't eliminated viruses that don't exist yet. Um yeah, because how would they?

But you seem to have made the very incorrect assumption that the vaccines don't work on the strains of virus they ARE targeted against

Sigh back at you, vaccines work at reducing the number of infections but no vaccine has ever successfuly eliminate any particular strain of influenza . So why would a vaccine successfuly eliminate this substrain (19) of the corona family?

-2 ( +4 / -6 )

vaccines work at reducing the number of infections but no vaccine has ever successfuly eliminate any particular strain of influenza .

Your argument is that they don't do what no one has ever claimed they would do.

...umm... ok?

1 ( +2 / -1 )

So why would a vaccine successfuly eliminate this substrain (19) of the corona family?

No one (who knows what they're talking about) has ever claimed it would.

Same as no one (who knows what they're talking about) ever claimed that lockdown/isolation would eliminate the virus.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

We agree, great not sure what the disagreement is. I have been saying the same since march.

-3 ( +0 / -3 )

We agree, great not sure what the disagreement is. I have been saying the same since march.

You're claiming vaccines are ineffective, that they were claimed that they would eliminate flu viruses, and that the recent lockdown measures were meant to eliminate the virus. All of these claims are incorrect. That's where the disagreement comes in.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

You're claiming vaccines are ineffective, that they were claimed that they would eliminate flu viruses

No. I am saying vaccines reduce infection rates to manageable level but dont eliminate a virus anyone hoping otherwise is going to disappointed

, and that the recent lockdown measures were meant to eliminate the virus.

Again no, the idea was to buy time and flatten the curve. I have never said otherwise.

All of these claims are incorrect. That's where the disagreement comes in.

Please read a persons previous posts or at least the rest of the thread.

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

No. I am saying vaccines reduce infection rates to manageable level but dont eliminate a virus anyone hoping otherwise is going to disappointed

No one was saying that though - you were the one who introduced it:

why would a vaccine successfuly eliminate this substrain (19) of the corona family?

Again no, the idea was to buy time and flatten the curve. I have never said otherwise.

You were pointing out that the lockdown didn't eliminate the virus. I pointed out that no one (who knows what they're talking about) ever claimed it would.

1 ( +3 / -2 )

Again so we agree

lockdowns and vaccines wont make the virus disappear and that isnt the goal, people who think otherwise are wrong.

The whole idea is to keep infections at a manageable level be it via the 3 c', worst case anothe s.o.e and eventually a vaccine while at the same time developing effective treatmentsw

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

Seems we do agree!

-6 ( +0 / -6 )

Well played everyone. All your efforts have been wasted.

Except that a lot of lives were saved. But I guess that isn't important to you.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Nobody is dying so , what Monty said and the sooner you get this the better for everyone.

This virus has the potential to cripple our economy and if this indeed happens then China wins.

3 ( +6 / -3 )

Japan did 3,533 domestic tests (88 positive) on June 28 (most recent info), as well as 1,650 tests at airports (3 positive) for int'l arrivals, though the positive results may be from tests the day or two before.'

Useful links but the data isn't very good

88/3533100 is 2.49%. 3/1650100 is 0.18%

sample sizes are woefully too small to make any sense. That's why other countries have 20,000 tests a day. Japan has the capacity but refuses to use it

Therefore to keep the reported rate low they won't test more than 3000 in Tokyo I would guess.

Thus still in the midst of a raging pandemic

Can you imagine? Let's say they go and do 20,000 tests in a day. That would be 497 cases. Abe would have a conniption fit

3 ( +5 / -2 )

Easing restrictions doesn't mean its over it just means there is room for you in the ICU......

President Trump never wears a mask but follows other cautionary approaches and hasn’t been infected until now! That’s a clear evidence that you can be safe even without a mask as long as nobody coughs or sneezes on your face

I never read such a load of Tosh. He's probably the most protected person on the planet so this means nothing. If he's so smart about the virus why are so many of his people dying

3 ( +3 / -0 )

The mlhw states that it had pcr testing capability of 29,687/day yet could only perform pcr test on a meager 3583 persons

Yes, I agree it is important to provide information on how many people were tested. If they test 100 people and get 50 positive results there is a huge problem. Just for comparison, in Melbourne on Friday and Saturday there were over 21,000 people tested in the 24 hour period. Medical staff were going door to door and testing everybody.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

President Trump never wears a mask but follows other cautionary approaches and hasn’t been infected until now! That’s a clear evidence that you can be safe even without a mask as long as nobody coughs or sneezes on your face

Trump is a well known germaphobe , but he is an even bigger narcissist and it's his pride that keeps him from wearing a mask.

Give it time, if he continues to campaign in audiences that dont wear masks, nor take proper precautions, he will eventually catch it, and then the word will watch the bubble of invincibility he thinks he has burst!

And he will have no one to blame but himself, but he wont be "man" enough nor "adult" enough to admit it!

0 ( +1 / -1 )

I walked to the store yesterday afternoon and passed about 10 people on the way. Only one was wearing a mask. Is this false security, not owning a mask or just stupidity? It was all ages old and young.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

President Trump never wears a mask but follows other cautionary approaches and hasn’t been infected until now! That’s a clear evidence that you can be safe even without a mask as long as nobody coughs or sneezes on your face

No, it's clear evidence Trump only cares about himself. I was also not wearing a mask until they started recommending to do so, and didn't get sick all winter, but I started wearing a mask because it's the right thing to do to protect everyone.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

The Increasing number of infection cases in Tokyo area is the result of easing restriction of economy I think.

As long as the government has monitored the trend and traced the each cases, So far it’s been under controlled.

but we have to keep careful of washing hands sufficient ventilation and ,avoiding confined spaces...it’s most difficult to keep for train commuters....

Another concern is that clusters happened in Utsunomiya city and Otaru city. Both are local.

I hope each local officials trace the all cases.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Hard to trace when the infected don't want to admit what they were up to.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

60 is a small number given Tokyo's population. Time to get on with life and not worry too much about the virus I think.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

60 is a small number given Tokyo's population. Time to get on with life and not worry too much about the virus I think.

If only you believe 60 is the true number.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Koike is probably upset the virus is not cooperating with her request to hold off until post election, and she might have to soon admit there's a problem again instead of waiting until people like Ken Shimura are dead.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

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