Main Tokyo vaccination center to offer shots to younger people

gaijintravellerJune 14  05:16 pm JST

Tokyoite, that is interesting because yesterday there was a photo in JT of someone in his 50s getting a vaccination at ANA.

I agree, very interesting. Got the details for this place so I can apply?

Or is this just another post with no actual useful information?

Young people don’t usually die, but if they get infected, they can give it to higher risk people who then can die.

Why is this so complicated for people to grasp? There’s not a kid variant that is more mild.

Death is also not the only downside. A large number of people have residual health issues. Additionally there is a financial burden, loss of work/productivity when people are out or cause others to quarantine.

Tokyoite, that is interesting because yesterday there was a photo in JT of someone in his 50s getting a vaccination at ANA.

Offer and deliver are completely different.

The government can offer whatever it wants, whatever people want, whatever gets votes. What matters is what it can deliver, which is a mere token of the offer.

Over a month ago it offered vaccinations to over 65s. Since then it has delivered vaccinations to a small percentage of over 65s. The majority of over 65s are still waiting.

I feel the situation is Suga is offering vaccinations to all of voting age in preparation for an election. The government will deliver too late if ever.

I cringe every time I read this kind of statement. Surely it is a mistranslation?!? It makes the Japanese dpeaker sound grossly inept to want to do sometning that is fully in their power to do:

"I want to explain to the G7 about our measures to tackle infections and our intention to hold a safe and secure games and win their understanding," Suga told reporters as he left his residence in Tokyo for a G7 meeting in Britain.

DaveJune 11  06:05 pm JST

I have a feeling by this time next year we will need a whole new vaccine and even now young people are having heart problems from the vaccine ....The long road gets longer

Based on what? Your feelings?

I don't know what to say.

Called the number and got through.

Message says 10 yen per 20 seconds!!

After record message I connect to a lady who says yes we can get vaccine, but MUST BE OVER 65!

"We are thinking about vaccinating under 65's in the future".

I wonder how full their booking schedule actually is?

My image of Japan will always be tainted by how they are handling this.

STOP PRIORATIZING and vaccinate who ever wants to, it's getting ridiculous.

The upper respiratory tract is loaded with lymphocytes ready to deal with infections, most viruses do not get any further. Trace amounts of virsuses or viral particles may escape and find their way in other parts of the body

And why would those viruses come from the upper respiratory track? if the lungs are the main place for replication of the virus and billions over billions of them are produced every cycle. Even if 1 in a million gets into other organs that still mean those other organs are infected, and producing endlessly viruses and their spike proteins, infecting other cells around until the immune system stops the process, that is how it has caused cardiac or neuronal problems. The vaccines have no such replication possibilities, by definition they will never produce any protein in a cell that was not transfected in the first place.

but nowhere close to what can be produced from 30mcg of mRNA injected into the arm, most of which quickly moves away and spreads throughout the body

Provide a source where "most" of the mRNA moves away from the infection site, imaginary facts are not arguments.

Yes, many places that have adopted these lifesaving drugs have seen a clear decrease in deaths, and I suspect also spread. But unfortunately, these products were heavily attacked by greedy #&$%s that just want to get their precious vaccines authorized.

You mean like Brazil? yeah, you can see how that ended. And again, that conspiracy theory can be easily proved by the fact that no study have ever produced protection at levels observed with the vaccines, the drugs all carry risks that are much more significative than the vaccines do (which would make the vaccines still very desirable) and drugs like dexamethasone were easily proved safe, effective and cheap, without anybody getting attacked for proving it.

That would be false, because the mRNA from the vaccines is degraded in the course of hours, a few days at much, on the other hand the viral infection means the viral mRNA is continuously replicated reaching much higher quantities that what is contained in the vaccines. How come then people can have asymptomatic infections with huge quantities of spike proteins? if that is the case that means the tiny microscopic fraction that the vaccines produce is obviously even less toxic.

The upper respiratory tract is loaded with lymphocytes ready to deal with infections, most viruses do not get any further. Trace amounts of virsuses or viral particles may escape and find their way in other parts of the body, but nowhere close to what can be produced from 30mcg of mRNA injected into the arm, most of which quickly moves away and spreads throughout the body. I don't know if it is because of the lipid nanoparticles, but they move away from the injection sight at a level that has never been observed for conventional vaccines.

For those who contributed to the rejection of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for the sole purpose of getting these vaccines an EUA

3,788,927 covid deaths so far according to worldometer.

Yes, many places that have adopted these lifesaving drugs have seen a clear decrease in deaths, and I suspect also spread. But unfortunately, these products were heavily attacked by greedy #&$%s that just want to get their precious vaccines authorized.

There are always a few u know what’s who feel the need to scare people

They can't help it.

They do that because they're scared.

There are always a few u know what’s who feel the need to scare people

"Number 1 reason for them is the possible side effects."

Side effects from Covid 19 death (for over 3,700,000 people worldwide

also Long Covid for tens of millions more (many of which will have permanent lung, heart damage).

hospitalization and being in the ICU isn't fun either (as a "side effect for millions of others).

It is your continual information that is misleading. True information is out there that is not being truthfully reported by the main stream media.

How about some primary sources? peer reviewed scientific reports on indexed journals? If you think the "truth" comes from media (in any language) you could not be more wrong. That is just the lowest quality of evidence you can find. Just forget the media, it is worthless to know real scientific data, the problem is that this will prove your beliefs are wrong.

For those who contributed to the rejection of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for the sole purpose of getting these vaccines an EUA

Even if the reports of lowest quality that reported exaggerated, irreproducible effects, were true the vaccines would still be much better for the purpose of protecting people.

Also, how come other drugs could easily be demonstrated as safe and effective, even when dirt cheap? The humble dexamethasone is enough to prove this failed conspiracy theory as false.

Sounds preposterous but it's true, unfortunately.

So the doctors and experts of the world that dedicate their lives to cure and protect people say this is nonsense, but a nameless person without any evidence say the contrary... not really a difficult decision to know who to believe.

A key problem with all of these mRNA COVID-19 vaccines is that the spike protein itself appears toxic, and your body is now a spike protein-producing factory

Its inherent toxicity may be due to it being a prion protein. If so, we can expect these injections to cause all manner of prion diseases, such as Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s and Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS)

That would be false, because the mRNA from the vaccines is degraded in the course of hours, a few days at much, on the other hand the viral infection means the viral mRNA is continuously replicated reaching much higher quantities that what is contained in the vaccines. How come then people can have asymptomatic infections with huge quantities of spike proteins? if that is the case that means the tiny microscopic fraction that the vaccines produce is obviously even less toxic.

Obviously the other thing that becomes obvious is that the tiny fraction of protein in the vaccines prevents the huge amounts produced in the infection, so if the spike protein is your worry you should be vaccinated to prevent producing those huge amounts.

I've said it before do you really think a country will waste trillions of dollars supporting a broken economy and its people so that pharma companies can earn billions?

Not to mention letting countless lives be lost in the process?

@Wick's pencil

Sounds preposterous but it's true, unfortunately.

You give big pharma too much credit, too much influence and money to give away.

They may be capable to influence one govt or few at a time like in the dengvaxia case but not all govts at the same time.

A miraculous drug like you claim presents a tremendous opportunity for any leader of a country to be etched permanently in history not to mention immense prestige among the community of nations. Will be loved by the citizens for saving their lives, can probably rule the country for life

You think they will exchange that for a million or two that any politician worth their salt can "earn" so easily and quickly from any other companies

Wick’s—HCQ didn’t even work for its promoters like Trump or Bolsonaro. And has been panned for its lack of effect by scientists in numerous countries. And HCQ has been shown to be cardiotoxic, yet some won’t believe that and then immediately grasp onto the one in a million negative reactions to the Moderna or Pfizer vaccines. Hypocrisy at its best.

@ian

Sounds preposterous but it's true, unfortunately.

Also it's preposterous to think that govts around the world will reject effective drugs and let the infection spread just to give vaccines EUA

A key problem with all of these mRNA COVID-19 vaccines is that the spike protein itself appears toxic, and your body is now a spike protein-producing factory

Its inherent toxicity may be due to it being a prion protein. If so, we can expect these injections to cause all manner of prion diseases, such as Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s and Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS)

For those who contributed to the rejection of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for the sole purpose of getting these vaccines an EUA

Even if those two drugs were effective, vaccines would still be needed to control the spread of infection and prevent disease from developing in the first place.

prevention is better than cure right?

Hmm. Those of us in Nakano already have the tickets for under 64. I wonder if we can apply tomorrow. I’ll just call and find out I suppose

For the unvaccinated

3,788,927 covid deaths so far according to worldometer.

For those who contributed to the rejection of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for the sole purpose of getting these vaccines an EUA

3,788,927 covid deaths so far according to worldometer.

Japan Today posts a lot of articles from Reuters, Kyodo, and Soranews. Just check the posts credits. Japan today have good SEO, so they show up in search results and get traffic. When pointing out errors, you should not blame Japan Today, but the news services for lack of clarity, and poor writing.

@pukey2

What? You can't follow the rules that have been set? All you need to know is no need to get a COVID shot and you will be ok!

Total chaos. Different rules everyday, in every town and village.

Just because The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s COVID-19 vaccine advisory committee will attend an emergency meeting next week to discuss higher than expected reports of heart inflammation in young males who received their second dose of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines doesn't make me an Anti-Vaxer! I didn't get my FLU-Shot this year but that was because I forgot! Weird that I didn't get the flu though.

virusrex

hat is the problem with "doing your own research", if you are careful and can read the primary sources that is fine, but if you end up believing false and misleading information from completely unreliable sources that is worse than not researching in the first place.

It is your continual information that is misleading. True information is out there that is not being truthfully reported by the main stream media. This vaccine fiasco is dying as more people are hearing about the deaths and injuries worldwide. Reports are coming out on Japanese sites-- you probably can't read Japanese.

I am sure you would hate to hear this, but going by news on Daily Mail, Trump was right about Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin as a cure for Covid. 2 weeks ago Daily Mail would never have reported this sort of news. Things are changing.

Thanks @Vinke

Not sure where the disconnect is from the news on JT here saying from tomorrow below 65 years is allowed - but will treat the information I got from Otemachi center call center as truth..

Irrespective of age limit key point is without the vaccination voucher from your respective ward office one cannot even make a booking - in my region when I checked for people below 65 yrs it is scheduled for Mid Aug 2021 - Hope the Olympics clusterfxxk dont derail this timeline further. Fingers crossed...

Jim

For folks who wanted to know Otemachi vaccine center contact number and whether voucher is must for making a booking - just called Otemachi vaccine center. The contact no is - 0570-056-730.

Got connected immediately and no problems - the lady advised that from tomorrow the new bookings starting still will be for people aged 65 and above.

Lastly without the vaccine voucher from your respective ward office you cannot make booking at this center.

Hope the above gives some better clarity to all.

Excellent post, and crucial information - which should be mentioned in the article, Japan Today.

Now the centres will be slammed with people calling in, just to find out they can't get a booking without the (non-existent) vouchers.

We should all just make our choice. Then next year around now we can compare the death rates between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

For the unvaccinated

3,788,927 covid deaths so far according to worldometer.

Of course since vaccinations are already underway that number may include some people who were vaccinated but still got infected

All this arguing isn't changing anybody's mind.

We should all just make our choice. Then next year around now we can compare the death rates between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

I've made my choice and will have the second jab next week.

Thanks @knittyelf

Hopefully everything will be sorted out before Saturday

Article said from Saturday, is there a chance she was just referring to bookings as of now?

No, I said “from Saturday” to her and she said no, that wasn’t correct. She said that there had been no policy change with regards to age, unfortunately. Another poster further up was told the same thing when they also called the Otemachi center.

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@Ian

Article said from Saturday, is there a chance she was just referring to bookings as of now?

No, I said “from Saturday” to her and she said no, that wasn’t correct. She said that there had been no policy change with regards to age, unfortunately. Another poster further up was told the same thing when they also called the Otemachi center.

The main coronavirus vaccination center in Tokyo will begin booking shots for people under 65 from Saturday, media reported on Thursday

I literally just called the Tokyo center and was told no, this is not true. The woman told me that they only expanded the areas that older people can come from, and no one under 65 will be eligible yet.

Article said from Saturday, is there a chance she was just referring to bookings as of now?

Anyway good to at least hear it's seems not difficult to get a call to get thru

@theresident

What are you talking about? Everything you have listed I have been doing since COVID started. I have yet to expierence anything you have said. lol. I have left the country and cane back several times...Not sure where you live in Japan, but outside of Tokyo lives have not really been changed.

The main coronavirus vaccination center in Tokyo will begin booking shots for people under 65 from Saturday, media reported on Thursday

I literally just called the Tokyo center and was told no, this is not true. The woman told me that they only expanded the areas that older people can come from, and no one under 65 will be eligible yet.

She also told me that even if the rules do change to allow everyone, we cannot make a reservation until we get a ticket from our local ward office. WTF, Japan??? Why are you complicating this so much??? It’s not like people are going to try to get triple vaccinated.

I know some Japanese who wanna wait for the Japanese vaccine, being told by medical professionals it would be safer.

This is so typical for Japan, must make something else. The whole world can use the vaccines. The local companies are making the vaccines from Pfizer and Astra Zeneca. So it is same. Main issue, we need so called coupons. What will happen on Saturday...telephone lines and websites will be overwhelmed and down due to high demand. And again an empty vaccine location. Getting tired...

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@Antiquesaving

Then look at the numbers elsewhere...you will still find the SAME thing.

Choose your news source and you will still find...

CDC plans "emergency meeting" on rare heart inflammation following COVID-19 vaccines

@tokyoite. Wish I could be more helpful. Akita pref is my location seems to be many different systems in play for vaccines. Got letter from city hall made phone call, got appointment for a month later in late May 2nd 3 weeks later. I don’t understand why one size does not fit all

Present the better data please, and justify the Emergency for the respective demographic in question - the younger people.

The burden of proof is for those that said they could prove vaccines were more risky for a group than the disease, if my point is that there is no such data (or there wasn't) that would still mean my argument is valid.

And again, since it is perfectly clear that there are vulnerable people of all ages that should be justification enough, unless of course you think you can convince their parents that they should be left unvaccinated to risk a likely death if they got infected because you think they do not deserve the choice.

Heart inflammation in young men higher than expected after Pfizer, Moderna vaccines -U.S. CDC

This for example could become an argument against vaccinating people of certain age, if the risk is confirmed and significant enough it would be enough to make an age group in general a valid exception for vaccination. Of course for children that have a much higher risk of dying from the disease (because not all children are completely healthy and strong) the vaccine should still be available for them.

If you want to look into booking, do not take Japantoday for the final word. Please check the govt health agency sites, they are responsible for booking, not Japantoday, not Kyodo, and pretty sure not SORANEWS. as much as Japantoday is a great news source, they are not the health department.

For the large vaccination sites in tokyo, the page is: https://www.fukushihoken.metro.tokyo.lg.jp/iryo/kansen/coronavaccine/daikibo.html

as of today, you still need a vaccine ticket to book a reservation.

Your local city, district, ward, mura, homepage has the most recent vaccine info. Check there for the local rules, timelines and rollout.

Anyone know where or who I go to to in Tokyo to book a vaccine?

Maybe fax and application form? Do you have hanko?

Main Tokyo vaccination center to offer shots to younger people

Japan again with the age biased. How about just offering shots to PEOPLE? Just make them all first come first serve. After supply is done, everyone go home, and come back the next day?

hatsufredToday  10:56 am JST

I notice several on this thread are asking for information about getting appointments for a vaccine. So I am not sure why @Doc

has spent so much effort with the scare mongering. I have had my vaccines no reaction. Do your own thing !

That's good for you! Where did you get it?

Seems everyone is happy to say it works, it's available etc, but no simple info on where or how to get it (including this useless article).

Why would I do that if my whole point is that the Japanese data is extremely lacking? specially with much better data sets being available that would give a much better basis to make judgments.

Present the better data please, and justify the Emergency for the respective demographic in question - the younger people.

That seems pose a consistent challenge.

i can’t wait for the justification to bring these EUA products down to 6 month old kids..

As proudly proclaimed on the Pfizer website. With no relevant supporting data.

Timely post @Chris Ghaar, thanks.

> Swelling of the heart appears to be a very rare side effect that primarily strikes young people after vaccination for COVID-19, a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) expert reported on Thursday, detailing data on cases of myocarditis and pericarditis detected through a government safety system.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/952905

Young people don't need experimental jab. They have very small chance of getting really ill from covid, and thay have high probability of vax side effects. Just now CDC (a vax factory in fact) is planning to hold an emergency meeting because of "more than expected" cases of myocardia in young vaccinated people.

Oh, I'm terribly sorry. I must have missed your post where you provided data on the kids in Japan dying from Covid!

Why would I do that if my whole point is that the Japanese data is extremely lacking? specially with much better data sets being available that would give a much better basis to make judgments.

But this is very much like when you say that the 100's of studies demonstrating the the effectiveness of HCQ+azithromycin are all "bad studies". Just blame the data.

That is mistaken, for every kind of topic there will be worse and better data, what is criticized is not weighting properly this and make a study of thousands patients controlled carefully count the same as another study of 12 patients that were not tested and from where 2 patients get "lost" and their results not counted.

Sciences depend on proper methods to be useful, choosing the bad data on purpose just because it is less clear it the contrary to doing good science. That is why fake "meta studies" that only put lots of results together are not published in scientific journals.

My primary concern about vaccinations now is that it is absolutely necessary to vaccinate the high risk parts of the population, I'm talking globally.

So vaccines need to be distributed equitably, and fast.

I don't know the risks for the young segment of the population in other countries but here in Japan it was shown to be zero (in this thread at least)

Assuming the risk for the young in other countries to be near zero or zero also, is it right to be vaccinating them now when there are so much more still of the high risk that remain unvaccinated?

@ Doc

[...] "In clinical studies, adverse reactions in participants 16 years of age and older included pain at the injection site (84.1%), fatigue (62.9%), headache (55.1%), muscle pain (38.3%), chills (31.9%), joint pain (23.6%), fever (14.2%), injection site swelling (10.5%), injection site redness (9.5%), nausea (1.1%), malaise (0.5%), and lymphadenopathy (0.3%)“

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Those are the risks. And I don’t personally see where younger people that have experienced very little adverse affects need to be subjected to such risks.

At least according to the data I have seen.

Which risk ? Nothing much more that what to expect the day after a wild party.

I know BS when I see it.

Yeah me too, Doc executive.

Written with such conviction. By someone who denied these medicines as being under experimental / investigational classification up until a few days ago.

And again that still do not mean people are being experimented on because of their use, that has been demonstrated clearly as false, even if you made your point based on it. EAU still means the vaccines are considered much safer than the infection until proven otherwise, and at this point there is no realistic posibility this will be the case. A completely situation would be if I had accused someone of doing something imaginary, got caught and refuse to even recognize I did it, much less apologize for lying. That would be extremely dishonest.

And of course I select data on a demographic that shows negligible adverse effects to Covid-19 .

Which is completely useless to prove the vaccines would be a higher risk, first because the risk from the disease still exist (even if you call the tragedy of each of those families negligible) and because even on other age groups the vaccine produce much less risk. So no, this is still a terribly inadequate "evidence" for taking out the right of parents to vaccinate their children, specially because some have a much higher chance of dying if infected.

Why is the actual mortality rate numbers per age group (real published data) the worst data set?

Because of the same reason it would be using the Japanese statistics to represent the risk of vaccination on people younger than 18yo. The Japanese data well recognized as incomplete and manipulated to include as few cases and deaths as possible thanks to very deficient testing is much worse than using data from countries with much more reliable systems, Why you try so much to hide data from the US for example? it covers much more cases, with a much more complete view of the situation. What does that data proves?

These vaccines do not prevent infection nor do they prevent transmission. The manfuacturers are even telling us that! They only lessen symptoms.

That is false, vaccines do prevent infection, complications, death and even transmission. This has been already examined scientifically and the current conclusions prove your statement wrong.

"Indeed, zero deaths (and zero serious cases) is not an emergency that would warrant taking a risk with an investigational vaccine that has only been authorized for emergency use."

If your argument can only be held by the worst possible available data set you can find, and it is contradicted by the better ones that are also available that points much more clearly for it to be mistaken. A personal opinion about what has or not been registered is also not an argument. Either you have evidence to sustain it or use the much better data sets available. If having not enough data is supposed to help backing up something then the absolute lack of even one case of death because of the vaccine in people younger than 18 yo would be enough to justify it.

Oh, I'm terribly sorry. I must have missed your post where you provided data on the kids in Japan dying from Covid!

But this is very much like when you say that the 100's of studies demonstrating the the effectiveness of HCQ+azithromycin are all "bad studies". Just blame the data.

Oh, and Doc, please stop the scaremongering. Providing official data showing that no kids have died from Covid19 will keep all the children up at night. Think of the children!

I love the scaremongering comments. Seems like any who question the vaccines which HAVE been linked to deaths and serious side effects are scare mongers. Where as those who say follow the pied piper OR ELSE are on the moral high ground...???

As long as there is choice no problem

Let's face it... the demand for the vaccine is very low in Japan compared to other countries. This is why they are opening up to under 65 sooner than expected. Certainly in some areas we see masses of people clambering to get an appointment. But there are millions who aren't considering getting the vaccine. This isn't America.

My local municipalities web page on information on vaccination hasn't been updated for about a month, and they're still working on the elderly. Looking at the locations and times, they are really limited. Surrounding municipalities seem to be doing better. It looks like a lot might depend on where you live. Iwate was the last prefecture to become infected, it looks like it will be the last to be vaccinated.

To get an appointment, you need the appointment form sent by your city, but many cities will not be sending these out for people under age of 64 for a long time. So what is the use of opening it up when people cannot make appointments??

So once the elderly and high risk groups have been vaccinated and survived...what is the need to vaccinate those with zero risk of death with a Vaccine that has a non zero risk of death??

Ludicrous.

Other variants? You do know other strains of the corona virus have been around for a very long time right and the common cold...wait for it....is a corona virus!!! OMG the sky is falling...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/general-information.html

seriously people are losing their minds over this for nothing

This do not make the people being experimented on, else people would be experimental subjects to every drug available in the market, somewhere someone is "gattering data on now" for everything, from penicillin to aspirin. The vaccines are being used for their therapeutic value, so people are not being subjects of experimentation.

Written with such conviction. By someone who denied these medicines as being under experimental / investigational classification up until a few days ago.

And of course I select data on a demographic that shows negligible adverse effects to Covid-19 . Because my argument was never anti-vaccine. It was always the risk / benefit discussion of an experimental EUA drug deployment where a real Emergency actually exists.

Why is the actual mortality rate numbers per age group (real published data) the worst data set? Why don’t you present your “much better” data? I am very receptive to it.

And I don’t believe it should be Big Pharma that promotes EUA via its influence within our public regulatory agencies. Their funding should be eliminated or heavily restricted.

Unfortunately for some, these distinctions are irrelevant or ignored.

So be it.

For folks who wanted to know Otemachi vaccine center contact number and whether voucher is must for making a booking - just called Otemachi vaccine center. The contact no is - 0570-056-730.

Got connected immediately and no problems - the lady advised that from tomorrow the new bookings starting still will be for people aged 65 and above.

Lastly without the vaccine voucher from your respective ward office you cannot make booking at this center.

Hope the above gives some better clarity to all.

I notice several on this thread are asking for information about getting appointments for a vaccine. So I am not sure why @Doc

has spent so much effort with the scare mongering. I have had my vaccines no reaction. Do your own thing !

As a constant traveler, I’ve probably had more vaccines pumped into me than most have had hot meals. And to my benefit I would think they have been very positive.

If only that would help against using invalid arguments you would have a point, but they don't.

Indeed, zero deaths (and zero serious cases) is not an emergency that would warrant taking a risk with an investigational vaccine that has only been authorized for emergency use.

If your argument can only be held by the worst possible available data set you can find, and it is contradicted by the better ones that are also available that points much more clearly for it to be mistaken. A personal opinion about what has or not been registered is also not an argument. Either you have evidence to sustain it or use the much better data sets available. If having not enough data is supposed to help backing up something then the absolute lack of even one case of death because of the vaccine in people younger than 18 yo would be enough to justify it.

I didn’t prove anything.

Exactly, that is the point you could not prove anything.

Medical researchers have studied this in “humanized” laboratory animals. It’s the humans they are gathering the data on now. Thanks largely to this experimental vaccine deployment.

This do not make the people being experimented on, else people would be experimental subjects to every drug available in the market, somewhere someone is "gattering data on now" for everything, from penicillin to aspirin. The vaccines are being used for their therapeutic value, so people are not being subjects of experimentation.

We will all wait and see. And I will make my own decisions. One thing for sure, they will not be influenced so easily questionable commentary.

With the obvious consequence that people (and children) should be able to be immunized since the professionals have vouched the vaccines are safe enough in their age group to do so. And people that do not believe a world wide conspiracy that includes every recognized institution of medicine and science would be perfectly justified on doing it since there is no increase of risk identified until now for any age group.

Obviously I was mistaken. I hope these Covid shots cure cancer as well.

Since you focus so much in the endlessly unknown long term risk in the far future the vaccines could actually prevent cancer as well, nothing indicate they will do it of course, but since viral infections increasing risk of cancer that is prevented by vaccines is not something that would happen for the first time I suppose you also have to include this possibility in the useful information to be distributed to people.

. I hope these Covid shots cure cancer as well.

No but the breakthroug RNA technology may finally make a viable Malaria Vaccine possible.

And boy will anti vaxxers go nuts once that happens and countries with malaria or people traveling from malaria endemic countries will be required to get that Vaccine if they want to travel to or from these places.

And your absolute lack of knowledge and understanding of a vaccine just came through in the above.

I most sincerely apologize for my ignorance.

You brought your friends experience with experimental cancer treatment. I assumed it was to illustrate a related point to this discussion.

Obviously I was mistaken. I hope these Covid shots cure cancer as well.

I didn't have malaria or symptoms it is called a Preventative measure as are Vaccines.

Very enlightening.

Article says under 65s can start to book.

Can see a situation where younger folk are getting in before elderly folks creating a whole new wave of complaints from the elderly its not fair.

Because the young still transmit the disease and exponentially raise the risk of creating another horrible variant. Everyone needs to be vaccinated for this to go away for good.

These vaccines do not prevent infection nor do they prevent transmission. The manfuacturers are even telling us that! They only lessen symptoms.

And besides, what is the chance someone is going to die from this? Really. Next to Z-E-R-O!

If you think this is going to "go away for good", you obviously don't understand biology. It is impossible to completely eliminate this and create a 100% risk-free world.

Get on with your life!

You mean like when you proved where I said the vaccine would never enter the blood stream? because that has not been done either. Is it recognizing that was false so difficult?

I didn’t prove anything.

Medical researchers have studied this in “humanized” laboratory animals. It’s the humans they are gathering the data on now. Thanks largely to this experimental vaccine deployment.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/images/pdfs/Pfizer-bio-distribution-confidential-document-translated-to-english.pdf

i only stated that this all merits increased caution. You obviously disagree. That’s fine.

We will all wait and see. And I will make my own decisions. One thing for sure, they will not be influenced so easily questionable commentary.

@Doc

Just so you know.

When I used to travel to places where Malaria was endemic, I took daily preventative drugs.

I didn't have malaria or symptoms it is called a Preventative measure as are Vaccines.

Now you know.

However, do you think this same treatment should be administered to your friends that show no indications of cancer or illness? As a preventative measure?

And your absolute lack of knowledge and understanding of a vaccine just came through in the above.

If you actually understood how VAERS works you wouldn't even bother bringing it up.

But I think that has been explained to death and the Anti vaxxers and conspiracy theorists know it but use it to frighten people.

Well here is an idea, don't get the vaccine, that is your choice but stop trying to tell others or frighten others.

You claim to have the scoop, well if you found this great scoop let others do it on their own and let the rest use common sense and their heads.

So , let’s look the mortality numbers in Japan for 12 to 18 yrs in the last 18 months, since the Covid debacle started. They record a figure of zero. Give or take another zero.

Indeed, zero deaths (and zero serious cases) is not an emergency that would warrant taking a risk with an investigational vaccine that has only been authorized for emergency use.

And why choose the country that is famous for its sketchy testing and tracing? that would be like making the argument that not a single death has been registered in the 12-18 yo group because of the COVID vaccines.

One, because the article is about Japan.

Two, their testing is indeed sketchy, and so there are definitely many infections that go uncounted. But I very much doubt that many (or any) covid19 deaths among the young go uncounted. If a young person is actually hospitalized with covid symptoms, I can't imagine them not getting tested.

If they had even the slightest idea how many drugs worldwide are give emergency use status each year they would have a stroke.

The drug used in my friend with stage 4 colon cancer that save his life was emergency use for over 7 years and today is a standard treatment.

Interesting statement. And I don’t disagree.

However, do you think this same treatment should be administered to your friends that show no indications of cancer or illness? As a preventative measure?

And as a standard treatment applied to who and when?

There are often slight ideas. And there are bad ones as well.

The “anti-Vax” moniker applied to people in discussion is the classic indication of ones conversational limitations.

As a constant traveler, I’ve probably had more vaccines pumped into me than most have had hot meals. And to my benefit I would think they have been very positive.

But that’s not what this is about.

Let’s help some folks out:

Discovering that there are valid medical exceptions is not exactly big news at this point, people that are interested in being vaccinated are usually well aware if the vaccine is recommended or not for them.

Available data on Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine administered to pregnant women are insufficient to inform vaccine-associated risks in pregnancy

Which is precisely why clinical trials for them are necessary. To get out of this "insufficient data" situation. This is of course a very urgent matter, since pregnant women are part of the vulnerable population and their risk of death is more than 20 higher if they are infected of COVID. This also applies to to their children, that are also at an elevated risk of being born preterm if the mother is infected, which has all the problems and risks identified since a long time ago. (and maybe some extra, something relatively common with viral infections).

An honest effort to help would have included this very pertinent information also, but if the intention is to mislead then this is actively hidden in order to make people think the risk is only on the side of vaccines, the same as the people that use VAERS to mislead others into thinking anything reported is automatically related to the vaccine, even when a comparison with the normal population gives the same rates. VAERS is not the one thing being discredited, is the misleading way some people try to deceive others by misrepresenting the information provided by it.

What are the risks on VAERS (as in an increase of rates when compared with the non-vaccinated population) that can make you decide it is fine to take out the choice of the parents of children with a very real risk of death from COVID? is it even comparable?

I have provided data that was immediately debunked on other posts where we have been engaged. You know it. It was all at the expense of your chosen narrative.

You mean like when you proved where I said the vaccine would never enter the blood stream? because that has not been done either. Is it recognizing that was false so difficult?

And Pfizer is also saying that because they are not certain of the side effects of their experimental product deployed on the general population, that side effects need to be reported in VAERS. Have you even bothered to look at that as well?

No, that is a mistake, Pfizer says they do not have data on population that was not included in their clinical trials, so they need to do more of those (including them) to get the data necessary for the determination of efficacy and safety. VAERS is a completely independent thing that has to be done because nothing in the world can accurately predict (nor test) to a 100% what will happen in the future, so a system to find out if anything unexpected happens needs to be in place, at this point this has not proved that the vaccines have a risk even comparable with not vaccinating, much less higher.

Erring towards caution in the case of infectious diseases still means vaccinating, viral infections are commonly related with many kinds of problems that sometimes develop in the far future, autoimmunity, immune impairment, organ deterioration, cancer, etc. This holds even to infections that have plagued humanity since prehistory, much more for one that is completely new. A technology used for many years is simply much less likely to cause these kind of problems.

My main point keeps being valid, people are not being experimented on with the vaccines since they are being used because of their therapeutic value.

OK - let’s just say people are being offered an experimental treatment under an EAU declaration.

Maybe that’s a more therapeutic way of phrasing it.

I have provided data that was immediately debunked on other posts where we have been engaged. You know it. It was all at the expense of your chosen narrative.

But keep in mind one important fact: I am erring towards caution and the risk / benefit assessment. It is you that needs to show me the data that reduces the risk. It seems Pfizer themselves are saying it does not exists in many cases at this point. Did you notice that?

And Pfizer is also saying that because they are not certain of the side effects of their experimental product deployed on the general population, that side effects need to be reported in VAERS. Have you even bothered to look at that as well?

But as you state in your main point. This really is not experimentation. Did you ever look up the definition of the word?

@virurex

I admire your tenacity and resolve to educate.

But these anti vaxxers and conspiracy groups will never change as they cannot use simple common sense nor do they understand facts, science or medicine even though they think they do.

The red herring of "experimental" and "emergency use" by anti vaxxers is just that a red herring!

If they had even the slightest idea how many drugs worldwide are give emergency use status each year they would have a stroke.

The drug used in my friend with stage 4 colon cancer that save his life was emergency use for over 7 years and today is a standard treatment.

The drug that save my life nearly 40 years ago was also emergency use and remained under emergency use for over 10 years before final approval and these were not "trials" those were separate, these were simply emergency use.

The only reason we here about this emergency use situation is because it is a globa pandemicl and a serious situation.

So get over it nothing unusual nothing special expect the size and universal agreement on the use.

Let’s help some folks out:

“Immunocompromised persons, including individuals receiving immunosuppressant therapy, may have a diminished immune response to the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine

The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine may not protect all vaccine recipients

In clinical studies, adverse reactions in participants 16 years of age and older included pain at the injection site (84.1%), fatigue (62.9%), headache (55.1%), muscle pain (38.3%), chills (31.9%), joint pain (23.6%), fever (14.2%), injection site swelling (10.5%), injection site redness (9.5%), nausea (1.1%), malaise (0.5%), and lymphadenopathy (0.3%)“

“Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, have been reported following the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine during mass vaccination outside of clinical trials. Additional adverse reactions, some of which may be serious, may become apparent with more widespread use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine

Available data on Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine administered to pregnant women are insufficient to inform vaccine-associated risks in pregnancy

Data are not available to assess the effects of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine on the breastfed infant or on milk production/excretion

There are no data available on the interchangeability of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine with other COVID-19 vaccines to complete the vaccination series. Individuals who have received one dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine should receive a second dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine to complete the vaccination series

Vaccination providers must report Adverse Events in accordance with the Fact Sheet to VAERS at https://vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html or by calling 1-800-822-7967. The reports should include the words “Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine EUA” in the description section of the report”

So before data gets thrown back at us indicating that the above is simply fear mongering and anti-Vax rhetoric, they are not my words.

They are all Pfizer’s disclaimers:

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-biontech-announce-positive-topline-results-pivotal

i suppose to the disappointment of some, Pfizer even states that adverse reactions need to be reported to VAERS. I wonder why some discredits VAERS so much, when Pfizer endorses its use?

Those are the risks. And I don’t personally see where younger people that have experienced very little adverse affects need to be subjected to such risks.

At least according to the data I have seen.

Not until a few days ago, was it even acknowledged that these drugs were experimental after months of claiming the opposite. And that is disturbing.

My main point keeps being valid, people are not being experimented on with the vaccines since they are being used because of their therapeutic value. That is the importance of the argument. Disturbing would be to accuse other people of saying something, being proved that is not the case and instead of recognizing the mistake just pretend it didn't happen. Intellectual honesty is not a value some people hold dear.

All medications are a risk / benefit personal assessment. The misinformation around this pandemic is widespread. And so is the pertinent information that helps you evaluate risk.

Which is why I recommended you to use the best available information instead of a subset that is widely described as incomplete and subpar. That would be much more worthy of being qualified as misinformation.

You have provided absolutely no "independent data" that shows vaccines to be more risky than the disease, so this argument is not relevant either. As previously said, antivaxxers do not hold a monopoly on baseless claims of world wide conspiracy to defend their beliefs, flat earthers, creationists, homeopaths, etc. are plenty of example of people that also use unproved conspiracies of impossibly large scale to explain why the scientific consensus is contrary to what they want to believe. If the arguments are still illogical those should be the ones to be proven so, no matter how the people using them want to call themselves or what job they say they hold, is the argument easily disproved? then there is no problem with doing it.

Case in point.

A group was just presented with the accompanying data. And once again ignored .

Explain again how comparing two zeroes demonstrated the vaccines to be a higher risk than the infection, also the justification to use incomplete information when much more reliable data sets are available, it is almost as if this would prove you wrong so you avoid it. Again, what justification do you have to take out of validly worried parents their choice to vaccinate their children?

Whats considered young in Japan. 60s? 50s? 40s? 30s? 20s? Teens? Children?

Article says younger, those under 65.

Considered young in Japan probably same as in other countries

This centre was a joke from the start.

Even if the elderly could get an appointment how many are going to travel that far from their homes.

My children's mid 90s grandparents are not alone to do that without help and how am I supposed to get these 2 over there and all the problems if involves.

My neighbour is over 85 and mobility issues he rarely ventures any further than the supermarket and shotengai, uses the local small hospital for everything he needs but the hospital doesn't have the vaccine and the next closest that does has only a very limited supply, meaning they only vaccinated a few hours a day at most.

The demand is low for these vaccines. I know a doctor that works at a local center and they only allow 50 old people a day citing "social distancing" so it makes an illusion that there is some high demand and hard to get reservations.

Ask that doctor to publicly say that and I am willing to bet the truth is more likely the number of doses available daily as to not waste once no longer frozen.

The local hospital here in my area of Tokyo has a limit of just that 50 doses a day no more. Nothing to do with social distance or some illusion conspiracy, it is simply Vaccine stock at each location.

Good news, way too late but at least some centers and workplaces seem to FINALLY be getting on it. My company just secured enough vaccine/doctor for all of our staff to be vaccinated starting next week (for those who want it). Sure I will be vaccinated months after everyone I know in other countries, but at least it is finally getting out there.

“There is no group where the risk from vaccination even compare with the much higher risks from COVID.”

Case in point.

A group was just presented with the accompanying data. And once again ignored .

The above quote is a complete misrepresentation.

Whats considered young in Japan. 60s? 50s? 40s? 30s? 20s? Teens? Children?

Virusrex over simplifys with made up numbers. 

If you are a healthy person under the age of 70 with no comorbilities there is absolutely no reason to take the mRNA experimental shot as there has already been deaths and permanent life threatening side effects.

Not just oversimplifies. Ignores, misrepresents, and misunderstands as well.

Not until a few days ago, was it even acknowledged that these drugs were experimental after months of claiming the opposite. And that is disturbing.

Nevertheless, the unabated promotion of unquestioned vaccination for all demographic groups continues without critical thought.

All medications are a risk / benefit personal assessment. The misinformation around this pandemic is widespread. And so is the pertinent information that helps you evaluate risk.

Be very wary of people that confuse industry sponsored data vs independent data and layered with speculation and assumptions. Followed by attempts to “educate “ others that present valid counter arguments and concerns.

I am NOT anti-Vax. I am NOT a conspiracy theorist. And fortunately, I am not blind.

I am an executive at a large US based multinational corporation that does business in Japan. I know BS when I see it.

If you are a healthy person under the age of 70 with no comorbilities there is absolutely no reason to take the mRNA experimental shot as there has already been deaths and permanent life threatening side effects. 

Present your evidence, because your statement completely contradict what has been found in valid statistical studies. Vaccinations lowers very importantly the risk of complications and deaths for every group for which the vaccines have been allowed to be used. There is no group where the risk from vaccination even compare with the much higher risks from COVID.

And as it is experimental and has not been independently tested (only the companies that created it says it's safe and effective) we still have no knowledge of the long term side effects. 

That is false, by this point dozens of countries have independently corroborated the safety and efficacy of the vaccines on the many millions that have been immunized. And the mRNA technology have been already used for hundreds of human trials since many year ago, we already have those many years of advantage over COVID, that has only been infecting people for a year and a half (and already produced long term and permanent problems). This mean it is hugely more likely that COVID will cause something more in the future than the vaccines.

We do know that other experiments using mRNA technology that were used on mice, most of the mice died within a few months and was suggested that much more testing needed to be done/ not safe for human.

But the preclinical trials for the mRNA vaccines had no such problems, which would make your point worthless. Produce the reference for that argument. Because usually this is just a made up thing without basis on reality.

That is the problem with "doing your own research", if you are careful and can read the primary sources that is fine, but if you end up believing false and misleading information from completely unreliable sources that is worse than not researching in the first place.

No - its not a big decision. Two shots of Pfizer or Moderna reduce transmission. Proven. Making it safer for me to see older members of family and older friends.

So , let’s look the mortality numbers in Japan for 12 to 18 yrs in the last 18 months, since the Covid debacle started. They record a figure of zero. Give or take another zero.

And why choose the country that is famous for its sketchy testing and tracing? that would be like making the argument that not a single death has been registered in the 12-18 yo group because of the COVID vaccines.

How about numbers from countries with a much more reliable testing and cases that would reflect much more closely the situation, what does that to your point?

There is NO emergency that warrants inoculating young people. It’s a fabrication of big Pharma and their cult of Branch Covidians .

Tell that to the parents of children that have immune problems, propensity to respiratory complications, diabetes, obesity, etc. etc. they do carry a very important risk of death and have struggled during the whole pandemic to keep their children safe from the infection. That is a perfectly valid reason that warrants inoculating young people and those in close contact with them. Specially without any evidence of risk from vaccines for them.

If the scientists and experts of the world put their careers behind a determination that let young people be vaccinated for COVID because the vaccine has proved to be safe and effective that is reason enough for anybody to do it, even without an special risk. To contradict them you would need evidence (not theories) that demonstrate the vaccines do not reduce or even increase the risk for them, do you have such evidence? How about evidence of the "fabrication" you argue? how is "big pharma" manipulating the data to show not vaccinating still carries a risk?

If your whole point depends exclusively on a conspiracy theory that by definition has absolutely no proof that should be enough to discard it, after all you already falsely accused other people of saying things they never did.

Virusrex over simplifys with made up numbers.

If you are a healthy person under the age of 70 with no comorbilities there is absolutely no reason to take the mRNA experimental shot as there has already been deaths and permanent life threatening side effects. And as it is experimental and has not been independently tested (only the companies that created it says it's safe and effective) we still have no knowledge of the long term side effects. We do know that other experiments using mRNA technology that were used on mice, most of the mice died within a few months and was suggested that much more testing needed to be done/ not safe for human. Unfortunately these new vaccines have not been properly tested and you take it at your own risk.

I understand it's hard to get the right information these days because of all the fact check sites that take a claims twist that claim into and obviously fake claim and debunk their own fake claim, while burying the real claims that prominent scientist have said about the mrna shots and the virus. You must dig deep and use precision these days to find the truth. You definitely won't find it anywhere on this website. Do your own research, it's a big decision.

Fog of war.

So , let’s look the mortality numbers in Japan for 12 to 18 yrs in the last 18 months, since the Covid debacle started. They record a figure of zero. Give or take another zero.

Are we to assume that only a few hundred thousand youngsters were exposed and/or infected ? Maybe a few million is more likely. The mortality still remains zero.

Even the pharmaceutical giants would never dare claim that their product would not result in possible deaths or serious injury in recipient numbers that high, as a result of unforeseen long term side effects. Leave alone with an EAU experimental drug and new type of mRNA treatment in the market.

There is NO emergency that warrants inoculating young people. It’s a fabrication of big Pharma and their cult of Branch Covidians .

If an adult is so concerned and frightened by youngsters spreading a respiratory illness that is deemed dangerous to them, then they should get their shots. And after this self induced emergency has subsided and a few years have passed, these new class of medicines will be better understood. And have successfully completed more thorough long term trials.

And if we’re really lucky, they will fabricate and an even more successful virus to treat in the meantime.

@Monty

The Tokyo vaccination center will also begin taking appointments by telephone for the first time. If I understand that correctly, you dont need to wait for this coupon. You should just call...somewhere. 

That's what it sounds like to me too. Thus the confusion. It seems that the Japanese government is changing the game plan.

Of course it would be very helpfull if JT shares the phone number where to call.

I second this.

According the coupon, that was the case for my parents in law.

They received that coupon or postcard, or however it is called, went to the named hospital and got their first shot.

But this article here says:

The Tokyo vaccination center will also begin taking appointments by telephone for the first time

If I understand that correctly, you dont need to wait for this coupon. You should just call...somewhere.

Of course it would be very helpfull if JT shares the phone number where to call.

But this article means, that from tomorrow, everyone who wants to get the vaccine, can get it.

Just by doing a phone call and make your reservation.

If my understanding of this article is correct, all of your guys vaccine problems are solved.

Just find out where to call, make your reservation, get your vaccine and done!

No need to complain anymore, no need to travel to your home country to get the vaccine...and so on.

Great, so to hell with the "guidelines" and let's just run around like a chicken with it's head cut off!

It's up to you to weigh the risks, and decide what kind of "Emergency" this Covid is to you personally that requires your need to accept an experimental vaccine authorized as EAU.

But obviously for that it is also necessary to see what are the actual risk identified from the vaccination. If the infection for your has 1 in 10,000 chances of causing death, but the vaccine reduce it to 1 in 200,000 and carries an intrinsic risk of death of 1 in a million you would still be much better by vaccinating.

Yes, with no coupon, we can’t reserve.

I know some Japanese who wanna wait for the Japanese vaccine, being told by medical professionals it would be safer.

So, I told my wife about this and she says that we need to wait for a coupon from the government in order to make an appointment. Confusion abound! Do we need to wait or can we make an appointment from Saturday?

Good news.

Combined with allowing people from outside the prefecture to be vaccinated, this should fill up the slots

Anyone know where or who I go to to in Tokyo to book a vaccine?

@Thelonius

The demand is low for these vaccines. I know a doctor that works at a local center and they only allow 50 old people a day citing "social distancing" so it makes an illusion that there is some high demand and hard to get reservations.

Here are the numbers of Japan deaths to date by the Age groups.

http://www.ipss.go.jp/projects/j/Choju/covid19/index-en.asp

And the data Excel Download:

http://www.ipss.go.jp/projects/j/Choju/covid19/data/japan_deaths.xlsx

It's up to you to weigh the risks, and decide what kind of "Emergency" this Covid is to you personally that requires your need to accept an experimental vaccine authorized as EAU.

Note: An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. Taking into consideration input from the FDA, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA.

in a bid to encourage more people to get shots, 

I agree with @thelonius, many people who I am talking to hesitate to take the vaccine.

Number 1 reason for them is the possible side effects.

Everybody should decide that by themselves.

But it is very nice to see, that from tomorrow, also people under 65 can call, make a reservation and get their shots.

So everyone who wants to get the vaccine, can get it.

Just pick up your phone, call and make your reservation for your vaccine.

There is no reason anymore to complain.

Why vaccinate the young as long as the elderly and high risk groups are already vaccinated?

Because the young still transmit the disease and exponentially raise the risk of creating another horrible variant. Everyone needs to be vaccinated for this to go away for good.

Why vaccinate the young as long as the elderly and high risk groups are already vaccinated?

Ludicrous! The vaccine is still only provisionally approved

I'm getting the sense that the initial surge in demand from over 65 year olds has passed, and now they're struggling to fill slots. Yesterday's news of +100 deaths within 2 weeks of the vaccine will cool the demand even more. Many of my neighbors told me they are "scared" of the vaccine.

While I can understand prioritizing everyone over 65, they are the reason everything has moved way too slowly.