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Protesters attend an anti-China rally in Tokyo on Tuesday. The rally drew about 30 demonstrators.

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Yup. That's correct. China, after decades of a failed economy embraced state controlled capitalism and replaced "communism" with "nationalism". Since they're a socialist society. that makes trhem NATIONAL SOCIALISTS. 80 years ago we used to call them NAZIS. And Chna is behaving just like a militant fascist country today.

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Nice sign though I think the comparison to Nazi Germany is a bit extreme.

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Yall are so stupid and making it worst. Why don't we just lay back and let Chinese people act a fool. Now we look like fool too. That's how you start a fight. This is not a good look for our children for the future.

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You might be able to draw a comparison to Germany's treatment of Jews before the war (e.g., at the very least harass or throw out of the country) and China in regard to Japanese nationals.

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30 people? Wow...

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FOOLS!

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You might be able to draw a comparison to Germany's treatment of Jews before the war

No. The Jews in Germany were German. The Nazis were persecuting their own citizens, many of whose families had lived in Germany for generations. This is very different.

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When China attacks Japan... World War III will start.

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Chinese facism would be a better sign? I've just finished watching an episode of The Boondocks so I'm going to post this quote with jest in mind.

We're Chinese! We don't quit just because we're wrong, we just keep doing the wrong thing until it turns out right!- edited from The Boondocks Season 3 episode 3. Muahahaha

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Whomever made that sign needs a slap on the face -- more for their stupidity than for the moral reprehensiveness of it. Forget about the fact that it talks about China having a horrid history while it clearly ignores the fact that Japan's is worse, but the simple meant to be a swastika is wrong, and the type face is horrid.

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The funny thing is it was actually these peoples' grand-dads who linked up with the Nazis and had extremist policies of persecuting those they didn't like - but I'm sure the irony is lost on them. Anyway, they are dopes just like their identical Chinese counterparts over the sea. Fortunately most Japanese would rather join worthwhile protests - like the mass protests against nuclear plants re-starting - rather than this mob.

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Of course it;s not "exactly" like Nazi Germany., But you have a central authoritarian govrnment with no party oppositon, censorship and control over newspapers and media, persecution of citizens deemed enemies of the state, mandatory school taught nationalism as "Patriotc Education", state sanctioned hatred towards a given ethnic group, a country that has been humiliated in the past and bears a grudge, a quickly rising economy and military expansion non-tranparent to the rest of the world and a openly declared intent to expand territory and achieve regional hegemony. Apart from that, China isn't like Nazi Germany at ll.

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A leading Chinese "academic" was recently quoted as saying that China has been humiliated for the last 200 years by foreign powers and finally, only now are they are in a position to assert "our real power" if I remember the quote correctly.

I just thought wow .... that guy has a chip on his shoulder the size of China.

As for the idiotic protest listed here .... this is exactly what Japan DOES NOT NEED. i.e.: Lets show the world we can be just as fanatical as China or Korea.

Everything will quiet down after the trial of Wang Lijun ends and the communist parties power hand over happens.

All the governement orchestrated demonstrations are just a side show .... and these Japanese protesters are mis-guided or just plain too stupid to see that.

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Why is a picture of 30 nationalists news????????

Thousands of people are protesting against nuclear power in Japan but nary a mention in the Jap media-strange!

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This is silly, why don't they send them to scare off the 1000 ships headed to the Senkaku Islands. I'm sure their courage would sink to the bottom of the East China Sea. Don't get me wrong here, I am not Pro-China in any way, on the contrary. I am on the Japan side because I live here and would fight any aggressor if I am called for duty. My kids, my family and everything is here that I count on everyday. Just you wont find me in that crowd. You can consider me the sniper watching the show from afar.

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i'm waiting for the chinese people who have been given a free pass to commit crimes in the name of nationalism to figure out that corrupt government officials are not patriotic at all. then see happens.

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30 Japanese demonstrators vs millions of Chinese? After all, it is not about the islands.

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30 people too many

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Japanese protesters seem to be more peaceful than thousands of Chinese idiots, maybe Japanese can't be violent like Chinese patriotism or nationalism.

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This is sad, but not only sad, ignorant. Anyone who has ever studied world history, Japan calling China Nazis?? Would be like trying to deny that Japan, Germany and Italy were part of the Tri Axis during WW2?? But this kind of shows how ignorant some of these Japanese are, and kind of like the fools over in China protesting there too.

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It's totally out of place, just putting more oil on the fire.

Nice sign though I think the comparison to Nazi Germany is a bit extreme.

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@Elbuda: it's wordplay; Chi-nazism. And if you think about it, doesn't China today act like Nazis?

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When China attacks Japan... World War III will start

Sorry to burst your bubble, but world war 3 is about to kick off in a few days when Israel and American invade Iran. Which will of course lead to chinas involvement. And lets face it, japans military is a stepping stone for china. Im usually not a pessimist, but these last few years (as crap as they were) will be the best years of the next decade.

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I think these people are very silly.

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Any news if Ishihara spends these days mostly sitting in front of his PC, reading the news, pants down?

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Japan, Germany and Italy were part of the Tri Axis during WW2

That is correct, but Japan was militarism, not Nazism at that time.

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My god, I couldn't stop laughing. The irony of it all, considering who the Nazi's Asian allies were during the war, and considering you have Nazi-supporting right-wing groups in Japan. Half the people there look over 70! I don't think the guy on the left is going to do much damage except spit on the ground.

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Yep, that's why the whole thing is ludicrous!

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@peanut666 Japanese older people also love Nazi Germany. I am German and have lost count of the number of times Japanese people, when they heard I was German, congratulated me on the "good old times when Japan and Germany fought together".

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I think that the best reaction for Japanese people to this whole thing would be to see the hot Chinese reaction coolly, as people who are ready to talk and are able to handle it maturely, along which way all Japanese wrong-doers to the Chinese will be punished. That would make a sharp contrast between the two nations.

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They look a scruffy bunch - I'm sure their mothers would be horrified if they knew.

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@HansNFranz - I can understand this aspect since they were allies, but China?

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I think Japan should be more aggressive and see how China plays it's hand.

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Lots of those rightwinger Japanese guys hate the Nazi Chinese... which is either ironic or funny or sad depending on how you look at it.

Just gonna have to talk to those guys one day.

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They probably went to see AKB48 after the demo.

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More coming soon, I hear. I really don't see the point in it, since right now, China looks insane, and Japan looks more mature. If Japan goes the same route as China, it loses the advantage it has. Just stay home.

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Japan Today-san,

What are you trying to say?

Protesters attend an anti-China rally in Tokyo on Tuesday. The rally drew about 30 demonstrators.

30???

Thirty???

As in one more than twenty-nine and one less than thirty-one?

That isn't even a bus load!

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Farmboy-san,

You write:

China looks insane

That's because it's in someone's interest to portray China as insane.

Someone wants you to think they are crazy.

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Some of those dudes look like they're on the job.

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They should hold "Free Tibet" banners. In a letter last month, the Chinese Consulate in San Francisco asked city leaders in Corvallis, OR to "adopt effective measures to stop the activities advocating 'Tibet Independence' and 'Taiwan Independence' in Corvallis." Protesting against Japan in China is A-OK but when anyone protests against China they need to "adopt effective measures to stop the activities."

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BertieWooster,

No, that's because they are acting in an insane fashion. Do you call this an orderly demonstration? People are getting hurt. Fires are being started. Do you like this?

< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ImauzRzHu0&feature=g-all-u>

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@peanut666 What I was trying to say is that Japan is not the peace-loving country they have tricked the world to believe they are. At least the elderly idolise WWII times and think Nazi Germany was mainly a good thing.

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Funny cause if these people knew hisotry or political ideology they will not act so uneducated. Communism had always been an opposing ideology to Nazism. And the symbol on the sign is that of the Buddhist symbol, you need to tilt it 45 degrees to represent the total opposite Nazism. Please do research on history, political ideology and political symbols before protest else its just shows the world these groups are uneducated.

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It still cracks me up that the sign-maker, in trying to villify the Chinese as being like Nazis, put in the Buddhist symbol meaning "to be good" instead of the Aryan swastika.

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Tiger-in-Hermitage:

" Funny cause if these people knew hisotry or political ideology they will not act so uneducated. Communism had always been an opposing ideology to Nazism. "

Actually, no. While two political camps hate each other, the way the totalitarian states of both stripes behave both internally and externally is the same.

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@smithjapan Haha, you are right. Well, stupidity has never been a barrier in this country, so it won't damage his reputation too much, I fear.

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smithinjapan, I very often agree with you, but Im a little surprised you are saying Y is worse than X.. and it doesn't matter to me if its X is worse than Y..

In my opinion that is going to get us no where. War sucks, everyone does horrible things.. Im not sure why everyone seems so keen for it :-(

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Fire spotted at gate of Chinese school in Kobe http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20120919x1.html

Japan = China

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Great does that mean Japanese morons are trying to match Chinese morons?

Whats your point, oh now some idiot has done something stupid in Japan.. so that makes all the other stupid behaviour ok?

Protest all you like, where ever you like.. but violence and destruction are the tools of the uneducated mob, not where we should be in 2012.

Come on people!!!!

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Protests in China are prohibited from today. I think that whole World have seen all violent riots enough, and they knew that is a normal Chinese way.

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@kwatt Source, please :-)

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Nice banner.

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I would have joined them but I actually have a job, a wife and a life.

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Yeah, what a great sign that is? What is the connection between a territorial dispute in south Asia and the German nazis? This fool should have just stayed home and washed his black van instead of looking like a fool.

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NZ2011: "smithinjapan, I very often agree with you, but Im a little surprised you are saying Y is worse than X.. and it doesn't matter to me if its X is worse than Y.."

There are a few points we can probably both agree that Y is worse than X here. First and foremost, I don't agree with war or violence at all, and in that regard, in terms of protests, at least in Japan they are not vandalizing or physically harming people of Chinese/SK nationality (at least that's been reported), and so the protests in China, in my opinion, are worse than those in Japan, where more than violence stupidity seems to prevail. If you want to compare histories, and I only brought it up because the man with the sign says China has 'the worst' history and 'invasion' needs to think a little about his OWN history, not to mention the Nazi thing doesn't make much sense... especially when Japan had a non-aggression pact with them.

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Gotta hand it to those protestors. Chinazism is very creative.

At least they weren't smashing up businesses or embassies.

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**Sorry to burst your bubble, but world war 3 is about to kick off in a few days when Israel and American invade Iran.

Yes, I guess so and in the resulting confusion, Japan will try and settle old scores, thanks to right wing leaning leadership.

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@kwatt Source, please :-)

Today Chinese and Japanese news said so.

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People forget that China loves Hitler. http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/theater-and-dance/75920/great-dictator

I guess you are forgetting about AKB's little "uncle Hitler" comment for a year or so ago... Or the coffee campaign with Hamasaki Ayumi and the moustache...

At least they weren't smashing up businesses or embassies.

Nah, they were just lighting fires and throwing rocks at a Chinese school in Kobe. Yes, attacking the place of children is so much better than embassies...

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jessebaybay:

Sorry to burst your bubble, but world war 3 is about to kick off in a few days when Israel and American invade Iran.

Israel and the U.S. will not invade Iran. They will however bomb all of Iran's nuclear development sites and missile sites. Which will in turn fire up the Palistinians and Islamic extremists who will in turn fire up the more moderate Islamist, which will lead to Pakistan attacking India and then WW III.

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Nah, they were just lighting fires and throwing rocks at a Chinese school in Kobe. Yes, attacking the place of children is so much better than embassies...

No one through a rock at the Chinese school in Kobe so quit making stuff up. The fire is true but no one was around to get hurt and it was a metal gate.

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No one through a rock at the Chinese school in Kobe so quit making stuff up. The fire is true but no one was around to get hurt and it was a metal gate.

Guess you missed the news about that this morning. So let me get this straight, fire at a Chinese school is okay because no one was around to get hurt but rioting in China when there are no Japanese is bad? Right....

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I love how the headline for this picture is "Having their say" , as apposed to "small crowd of grumbling protestors piss-off local shoppers".

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Guess you missed the news about that this morning. So let me get this straight, fire at a Chinese school is okay because no one was around to get hurt but rioting in China when there are no Japanese is bad? Right....

Actually, a Japanese couple were assaulted in Hong Kong today. Guess you missed that news huh?

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/313060/japanese-couple-attacked-in-hong-kong-amid-tensions

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I'm certainly not defending their actions nor denying them. The same can't be said for you though.... Actions on both sides are pathetic and disgusting.

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I'm not defending it. Thank god no one was around to get hurt. Can't say the same for the protest in China tho.

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So what was your issue with my post? I didn't make anything up and nor did I defend China's actions. Just because no one was physically hurt doesn't mean no one was hurt. You think those kids feel safe to go to school now? They're KIDS for god's sake. Do these people have no ethics??

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So what was your issue with my post?

Um, maybe you didn't notice these people in TOKYO did nothing destructive in KYOTO?

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half of them thought it was an AKB48 event.

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the other half thought its the line for iphone 5

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Rogo, perhaps you'll notice that it isn't all of China rioting and being Anti-Japanese? See how this works?

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And who is exactly blaming the non-rioting Chinese again?

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And which government is doing almost nothing to stop the out-of-control Chinese protests again?

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So what was your issue with my post? I didn't make anything up and nor did I defend China's actions. Just because no one was physically hurt doesn't mean no one was hurt.

You think those kids feel safe to go to school now?

They're KIDS for god's sake. Do these people have no ethics??

tmarie: The problem with the story you mentioned is that the fire that was started at the gates to the Chinese school was a small one and quickly put out. No one was even in the vicinity of the area of the fire. You seem to think that this fire was worse than other cases of arson in which people actually died.

"You think those kids feel safe to go to school now?"

Kids in Japan already have enough to fear from (e.g. bullying, molesters, speeding cars), than a fire at the gate of their school. I think fires that have burned down entire production plants like in China, which caused many Chinese people to lose their jobs and thus hurting their families because they will now have no source of income to use for food to feed them, are much much worse. Yes, there are stupid Japanese people who have unwarranted hate doing stupid stuff like that, but nothing like the mass millions I see physically attacking Japanese and Chinese people over the past week. It's gotten so bad in China that I see the mobs there attacking even each other without understanding that they may be attacking fellow rioters.

Oh, and for your information, small fires at schools happen quite often where I come from. I remember in my high school, some idiot (or delinquent) started a small fire near the principal's office. It's just one form of vandalism; like busting windows and spray painting graffitti.

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No, there's nothing to "get" here. You're comparing a racist-but-peaceful demo to a riot.

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Just wanna say that those Chinese people who set fire, looting and damaging Japanese brand properties were completely wrong. Not all Chinese people are like that. I want friendship with Japanese people. Ordinary citizens should not hold animosity with each other because of this. There should be a peaceful solution to this madness.

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You seem to think that this fire was worse than other cases of arson in which people actually died.

I've said no such thing. My post was in reaction to the below comment in which a poster was trying to make it seem like "Japan" (and let's just be honest, a small population of idiots be it Chinese or Japanese) hasn't done anything as pathetic as smashing up businesses or embassies. I don't know where your ethics lie but mine in the realm that a) smashing up anything is bad and b) throwing rocks and lighting a fire at a school for children IS just as bad as smashing up businesses and embassies. Worse in fact for me. I don't care if people were in the area. It is pathetic. Period. At least they weren't smashing up businesses or embassies.

I also don't think comparing an idiot at your school is the same as a hate crime. Sorry. No dice for me. I also will say the same about speeding cars and bullying.

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rogoteye: "Um, maybe you didn't notice these people in TOKYO did nothing destructive in KYOTO?"

Um, maybe you didn't notice the people in CHINA did nothing destructive in KYOTO either, or TOKYO, or any other part of Japan for that matter. I guess you just like to use Chinese protests as an example when it suits you, then say riots outside of the city in which this picture takes place is unrelated if it's Japan. Sorry, my friend, tmarie nailed you on that one.

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missray: "You seem to think that this fire was worse than other cases of arson in which people actually died."

Where in the protests in China have people been burnt to death? otherwise it's YOU who seems to be comparing unrelated things. As for some idiot lighting a fire near the principal's office in your school, that too is unrelated, as I doubt very much it was done out of hatred for another nation's peoples.

One of the points I believe tmarie is making is that people here all seem to think that ALL Japanese protests are peaceful whereas Chinese are not, when clearly that's not the case. It's great that they did not succeed in killing kids at the Chinese school in Kobe, but it doesn't change the maliciousness of the attack or the fact it was also vandalism.

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Smith, may I suggest this thread for more of the same... http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/2-japanese-activists-land-on-disputed-island#comment_1405382

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tmarie: Been there and done that, and commented to an extent, I believe. On that thread, as well as others, it's pretty clear the J-media imply this whole thing started when Chinese activists landed on the disputed islands, and conveniently forgets they went to the islands for a reason -- Ishihara's April statement he plans to raise money to buy the islands to protect them from China.

There is media bias everywhere, and I've absolutely no doubt it's the same or worse in China, but to have some otherwise cool-headed posters on this site blowing their tops and saying Japan is nothing but peaceful while China are 'barbarians' and what not (and yes, someone said that to me today), is ludicrous and just wrong. Now, I will grant you that the only protests we DO hear about in Japan are peaceful (Well, you have to kind of question 'peaceful' when they are going through Korea-towns here and there telling zainichi to 'die'!), but again, that's all that we hear about, and it's media bias. Something Japan is certainly not innocent of.

Again, as for this pic, for he third time I've checked it out today I still ge a crack out of the fact that the guy holding the sign is actually saying China stands for 'good' by using the Buddhist symbol, something Japan SHOULD know a lot about given it's on pretty much every temple and/or Buddhist statue in the land, and that Japan sided with the Nazis in WWII.

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Um, maybe you didn't notice the people in CHINA did nothing destructive in KYOTO either, or TOKYO, or any other part of Japan for that matter. I guess you just like to use Chinese protests as an example when it suits you, then say riots outside of the city in which this picture takes place is unrelated if it's Japan. Sorry, my friend, tmarie nailed you on that one.

And this non-violent protest in Japan is wrong because...?

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Good old Godwin's Law, can't even get your swastika right.

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Actually the swastika is correct.

It was the Hakenkreuz that was rotated 45 degrees to rest on a point.

FYI, it is common in buddhist temples across asia and is an early version of the Yin/Yang symbol. The Boy-scouts also used it pre-wwII.

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I"s ME: "It was the Hakenkreuz that was rotated 45 degrees to rest on a point."

So what did the Nazis use?

"FYI, it is common in buddhist temples across asia and is an early version of the Yin/Yang symbol."

Already said the former.

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And this non-violent protest in Japan is wrong because...?

Someone didn't get all the replies it seems...

And well said Smith. Def on the same page.

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Someone didn't get all the replies it seems...

No, please do explain.

Are you seriously saying they cannot protest non-violently in Japan?

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HansNFranzSep. 19, 2012 - 12:11PM JST What I was trying to say is that Japan is not the peace-loving country they have tricked the world to believe they are. >At least the elderly idolise WWII times and think Nazi Germany was mainly a good thing.

I honestly think you have no idea what you are talking about. Thre s no doubt that he Japanese in appreciate how much damage Nazi Germay caused in Europe. But no "older Japanse" has any fondness for Germany because in China where Japan fought the KMT from 1931 onwards, it was Germany that was selling arms to Chiang Kai Shek. You can see old fiol footage of KMT troops wearing "fritz" helmets and using czech-,made machine guns bought from Germany. THis didn't end util the Tripartie Pact tied Germany,. Italy and Japan together. The younger "manga otaku" bunch idolize the "cool looking Nazi uniforms" but that's not just in Japan, it's found in Hongkong andf Taiwn as well . That stems purely out of ignorance of how we in west feel about Nazis.

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It"S MESep. 19, 2012 - 07:29PM JST Actually the swastika is correct. It was the Hakenkreuz that was rotated 45 degrees to rest on a point.

Yes, that's correct.

FYI, it is common in buddhist temples across asia and is an early version of the Yin/Yang symbol. The Boy-scouts >also used it pre-wwII.

No, that;'s incorrect. The swastika used in Buddhism rotates to te left, whereas the one used by the Nazis rotates to the right.

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I received this warning about a demonstration happening on Friday from the U.S. Embassy alerts . It's a warning to U.S. citizens here. I have the link:

http://japan.usembassy.gov/e/acs/tacs-alert20120919.html

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rogoteye: "Are you seriously saying they cannot protest non-violently in Japan?"

Who's saying that? On the contrary I see quite a few people saying that protests in Japan are quite, if not entirely peaceful vs. many of those in China (the ones we read about). What some posters are saying is that VIOLENT protests are also possible, and do occur in Japan -- there's just little if any media coverage of it, due in part to right-wing threats to the media.

OssanAmerica: "No, that;'s incorrect. The swastika used in Buddhism rotates to te left, whereas the one used by the Nazis rotates to the right."

There are plenty of temples in which the swastika is not rotated at all, whereas the Nazi swastika was always not only been rotated but, inverted. In other words, like I said, while this guy is calling China nazis he's using the wrong character, and thus suggesting 'eternity' and 'to do good' in reference to China, and being an idiot.

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I'd like and respect these nasty nationalists a hell of a lot more if they practiced self-immolation as a form of protest. Would make a ripper of a pic-of-the-day, too!

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I don't know where your ethics lie but mine in the realm that a) smashing up anything is bad and b) throwing rocks and lighting a fire at a school for children IS just as bad as smashing up businesses and embassies.

I never said it was not bad. Yes, burning anything is bad, but to blow it up out of proportion like you did, since you did say that that hatred shown by a few bad individuals is the same as a whole nation (ala China) following the government's orders to protest against another country. The fact is that there are bad apples and racism in every country in the world. Yet, what is happening in China is shocking because it is happening nationwide and the systematic brutality (with people physically getting hurt) is downright appalling.

smithinjapan: Have you even read the article about the little burning on the gate of that school? No where in it did it say a mob was involved at all. Nothing conclusive has come out of the case yet. Yes, it could have something to do with hatred against Chinese (since it was a Chinese school), but then again, it may not. Don't just start jumping to conclusions without reading all the facts of that case first. You would have a case if a mob was involved in a burning. And as for burnings in China, you must be blind not to see all the burnt-out buildings and cars. And this is not images I see on Japanese TV, but on CNN and the BBC, which shows much more detail.

there's just little if any media coverage of it, due in part to right-wing threats to the media.

smithinjapan: You may be right and you may be wrong about this. I do agree with you that we have a right to speculate that there could be some violent protests happening in Japan, but we just don't see them where we are living at the moment in Japan, and local media cover it up, but unless I see it for my own eyes, or see it on other impartial media outlets that I view, then I will reserve judgment. By the way, are you saying that violent protests in Japan IS POSSIBLE as in a speculation, or are you saying that there are indeed violent protests that you've witnessed, but never hear in the news because the media covers it up?

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One would think a former Axis power would be reluctant to accuse another nation of Nazism....

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Just look at all those fanatical Japanese.

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Always the fanatical right-wing few to bring down the decent others out there. Please Japan, don't sink to the level of the Chinese protesters. If you must protest, be smart about it. Then again, the smart Japanese people I know are not out there protesting about a rock in the middle of nowhere. I think it goes for the smart Chinese people as well. Only the idiots out there are wasting their energy protesting about something that makes no sense to protest about.

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What some posters are saying is that VIOLENT protests are also possible, and do occur in Japan -- there's just little if any media coverage of it, due in part to right-wing threats to the media.

Where do you get this garbage from smith? Violent protests are indeed covered simply because it's newsworthy and don't try to tell me that these right wingers don't wan't media coverage. Zaitokkai, in particular, wants this but the reason why the mainstream media ignores them for the most part is that they're not worthy enough for coverage due to how minor they are and how they are perceived in the mass public.

Meanwhile, let's discuss what you appear to have missed.

-JUSCO, destroyed and looted with a estimated damage of 24 billion yen. -Heiwado, destroyed and looted with an estimated damage of 10 billion yen. -Toyota dealership burned and destroyed over 100 cars. -Nissan and Honda dealership burnt and destroyed. -10 Japanese manufacturers including Panasonic destroyed and looted. -Dozens of reports of violence against Japanese citizens. Most notably, a volunteer aiding the earthquake victims in Yunan province got assaulted by masses.

On most occasions, the term "perspective" is completely lost in this site.

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nigelboy: They want the media coverage when it suits them, not when it might make people unsympathetic to their cause. Where are the articles about the Chinese school gate being set fire to? True, they don't seem to mind the attention when dragging Russian flags through the mud.

As to your references to Chinese damaging and looting Japanese companies, I've already said, and quite clearly despite you missing it (not surprised), that Chinese 'protests' in this situation have been far, far worse than anything the Japanese have done. So how are you going to automatically dismiss that? :)

Also noticed a certain someone logged on any all of my posts have gone from pluses to minus 4 or 5 in about a minute. Hmmmm... :)

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Where are the articles about the Chinese school gate being set fire to?

smithinjapan: Hope this link helps : )

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20120919x1.html

This link has a video attached to it: http://www.newsonjapan.com/html/newsdesk/article/98396.php

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freakshow: Much obliged! Didn't check out the JapanTimes today, have only had time to read up on this site. Glad no serious damage was done, but it's pretty clear that those who say no violent protests exist in Japan are incorrect (ready for someone to log in and give the instant five thumbs down!). Will check out the video later.

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missray: "smithinjapan: Have you even read the article about the little burning on the gate of that school? No where in it did it say a mob was involved at all. Nothing conclusive has come out of the case yet. Yes, it could have something to do with hatred against Chinese (since it was a Chinese school), but then again, it may not."

And if a Chinese man tomorrow hits a Japanese man on the street, are you going to not automatically think it's because of the current issue, or will you throw away subjectivity and assume it's just a random act until there's proof to the contrary?

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Disillusioned:

" Yeah, what a great sign that is? What is the connection between a territorial dispute in south Asia and the German nazis? "

The connection is of course the supremacist ideology, the aggressive behaviour, and how to stand up to it. Europe initially tried appeasement with Hitler and see how well that worked.

And yes, of course, the state-controlled media, the frenzied mobs whipped up by state propaganda and all that are directly comparabale to the Nazis. "Chinazism" if of course a word play, but it is not all that misguided.

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They want the media coverage when it suits them, not when it might make people unsympathetic to their cause. Where are the articles about the Chinese school gate being set fire to? True, they don't seem to mind the attention when dragging Russian flags through the mud.

http://www.asahi.com/national/update/0919/OSK201209190020.html http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20120919/k10015121961000.html http://sankei.jp.msn.com/affairs/news/120919/crm12091921510041-n1.htm

I know comprehending the language of the country of your current residence has been pitifiul for all these years but please.

As to your references to Chinese damaging and looting Japanese companies, I've already said, and quite clearly despite you missing it (not surprised), that Chinese 'protests' in this situation have been far, far worse than anything the Japanese have done. So how are you going to automatically dismiss that? :)

No. It's the "perspective" part you're missing. A simple comparison between what transpired between the two countries, Japan's side has been peaceful.

Also noticed a certain someone logged on any all of my posts have gone from pluses to minus 4 or 5 in about a minute. Hmmmm... :)

You really do have a complex.

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"Chinazism", I have to admit, that's a nice bit of wordplay.

Don't agree with the comparison though.

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OssanAmerica, please either go to China or re-study "communism" before commenting. If you're still telling "Since they're a socialist society...", that's a joke. Both of them may not be what you think they are.

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30 people? I ave sen a bigger line outside a curry shop there.

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As for the idiotic protest listed here .... this is exactly what Japan DOES NOT NEED. i.e.: Lets show the world we can be just as fanatical as China or Korea.

30 people peacefully demonstrating, albeit with extreme views vs. thousands of angry rioters destroying property and burning buildings?

No comparison.

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ah, Shibuya. From free hugs to free hate.

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Chucky,

How will you call this: http://www.who-sucks.com/people/the-exciting-world-of-south-korean-protests ?

Looking forward to discussing with you ;)

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@Kwatt

That is correct, but Japan was militarism, not Nazism at that time.

Yeah, not Nazism. But The Nanking Massacre did not distinguish them from Nazis.

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Yes, burning anything is bad, but to blow it up out of proportion like you did, since you did say that that hatred shown by a few bad individuals is the same as a whole nation (ala China) following the government's orders to protest against another country. The fact is that there are bad apples and racism in every country in the world. Yet, what is happening in China is shocking because it is happening nationwide and the systematic brutality (with people physically getting hurt) is downright appalling.

What did I blow out of proportion? Did a bunch of idiots try and light a fire at a Chinese school? Yes or no? Done.

Do you think ALL of China was rioting? If anyone is blowing things out of proportion it was you with that comment. Again, a FEW bad individuals in China, not all. And I won't disagree, it IS appalling. But so are people on here trying to be "We're not as bad as them" when people are lighting fires at Chinese schools in Japan.

A simple comparison between what transpired between the two countries, Japan's side has been peaceful.

I guess we have a different definition of peaceful. Lighting fires in front of schools that a country is having issues with in my mind isn't "peaceful". Nor is protesting in areas where these people are present and spitting on them and screaming at them.

And interesting that the US government feels it needs to warn it citizens about demos now.

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when people are lighting fires at Chinese schools in Japan.

tmarie: correction, you should have said "fire" not "fires". Yes, I agree that one fire is bad, but don't start assuming that there are a lot of people starting "fires" at "Chinese schools" all over Japan, like you incorrectly assume or want people to think. It would be like saying all white Americans hate blacks because of one hate crime committed against a black person. It's wrong to think so. There's also a story on JT of a yakuza member stabbing a Japanese boy, but I wouldn't assume that he stabbed him because the boy may have looked Chinese and the yakuza member was frustrated against anyone looking Chinese? Using one story of a fire to support your views is fine, but don't misuse one story to blow it up and make it seem as if "fires" are starting to burn at schools all over Japan, as you've said.

a FEW bad individuals in China

I agree with you. Since China has a population of about 1.3 billion people, millions or so people rioting and causing acts of violence in about 80 cities in China is a mere fraction of their population. After all, I'm sure the majority of the population can't even afford to go out and travel to areas where they're protesting in the first place.

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"ChiNazism"? That's hilarious considering many Japanese right-wingers carry the Nazi flags for some reason.

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I've not made any assumptions that there is an epidemic of fires being started. You've clearly read into the comments to much. Do you think people starting a fire at a Chinese school is peaceful? Yes or no?

I'm glad you can see this isn't ALL of china. Something that other posters don't seem to get.

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I've not made any assumptions that there is an epidemic of fires being started

tmarie: Yes you have, or do you forget that you wrote "fires" and not "fire"?

It was one fire, and not "fires". Also, what right do you have to assume that "people" started a fire. Yes, it could have been several people, but it could also have been just one person for all we know, but no, you just want to suddenly assume that many "people" are starting "fires" at Chinese schools in Japan. Again, yes, the entire population of China (only the ones we see rioting in 80 cities in China) are stupid and causing violence. However, the same can be said of the Japanese. Neither side is good, but it really seems like you are suddenly jumping all over what Japanese have done and sugarcoating the mass rioting in China.

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For there to be an epidemic, there needs to be more that one. You can't have "a bunch of fire" to explain a pattern, right? Hence the use of fires.

What "right"? Well, let's see, the right to an opinion? You're right, it could have been ONE person. Just like in all those fires in China is could have been ONE person in each place, right? I've also never said "many". Read what is written, not what you wish was written.

However, the same can be said of the Japanese. Neither side is good, but it really seems like you are suddenly jumping all over what Japanese have done and sugarcoating the mass rioting in China. If anyone is sugar coating anything, it is the Japanese media who is turning a blind eye to the issues of xenophobia here. I'm not sugar coating anything and have stated numerous times that the riots in China are pathetic.

So you agree with me that neither side is good. Good. That was what I was getting at and therefore, I guess you can stop nitpicking my posts because you agree with me.

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Thomas Anderson:

" "ChiNazism"? That's hilarious considering many Japanese right-wingers carry the Nazi flags for some reason. "

I have never seen Japanese right-wingers carry nazi flags. Do you have a link to support your claim?

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tmarie: Well I'm glad that we agree that neither side is good, that only one fire was started at a school in Kobe, and that it's not good to use such a case as a red herring to support one's views since it would be considered "nitpicking" to do so.

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How is what I said a red herring? People here are claiming Japanese is peaceful and wouldn't stoop to the leave of the Chinese - some (or one) has. No red herring at all. It's a fact. One you've acknowledged.

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Japan is peaceful and China is a big bully. That is a fact.

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Actually the swastika is correct.

It was the Hakenkreuz that was rotated 45 degrees to rest on a point.

FYI, it is common in buddhist temples across asia and is an early version of the Yin/Yang symbol. The Boy-scouts also used it pre-wwII.

Of course it's correct in terms of a traditional swastika, not saying it isn't. However, in context with the sign, they're trying to use the Nazi version of the swastika, not the Buddhist religious version. Hence why I said it was incorrect. It's all about the context, which you seemed to have missed.

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Do normal Japanese think it strange that japanese doesn't just have bad relations with China and North Korea, but now also Korea and Taiwan? And they felt by bullied by the Americans re the Ospreys?

Everyday I see talking heads of TV talking about how bad/wrong/sneaky the Koreans, North Koreans, Chinese, and now Taiwanese are. And of course the bully Americans

I guess it's a good thing? It must mean that Japan has solved the problem of rebuilding Tohoku and knowing what to do with all the nuclear plants, paying out the Fukushima people, preparation for the next earthquakes, and of course the worsening debt problem.

Maybe they think they can send all the old people off to war and solve the aging society problem? That's it. Build weapons factories in Fukushima to equip Dad's Army and send them off.

In the meantime, Tokyo's wonderful emperor is doing what, where now? Didn't he have something to do with all this?

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Finally a person with brains.

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