Signs in Tokyo's Shibuya district discourage Halloween revelers ahead of October 31.
While Shibuya crushes signs of youthful exuberance, deserted towns with scatterings of seniors are erecting fake storefronts and mannequins. Mayor Hasebe and LDP logic.
I remember the days when the only Halloween revelry that occurred in Tokyo was when drunk US expats dressed up in costumes and rode the Yamanote line around and around and around.
It makes the most sense when you interpret this as being their way of punishing the Japanese youth and foreigners who drank in Shibuya during the Covid State of Emergencies when restaurants were subject to curfews and bars were told to close altogether. All of these proposals had been around before Itaewon and before Japan reopened to tourism.
Tokyo has become a complete nanny state not unlike those in America and I'm glad I don't live there, honestly.
Second hand smoke kills, it makes even more sense to forbid smoking except in areas where it only affect the smokers.
It makes the most sense when you interpret this as being their way of punishing the Japanese youth and foreigners who drank in Shibuya
It is no secret that the measure is meant to push people to spend in the bars, restaurants, etc. instead of uncontrolled drinking on the streets, there is zero need for any "punishment". The locals are not interested in an event that only brings extra expenses (and risks) so they don't see a problem when the image of the place changes and those events move to anywhere else, that is not a nanny state, it is simply that a lot of people think they can impose their way of having fun into locations even when the people there are not interested in hosting those kind of events.
I understand clearly define public disorder/order actions and behaviors, consuming food etc. while walking along, loitering on the pavement in Japan are fully understood, have legal restriction
However, I understand it is acceptable to consume soft drinks aside vending machines, which are ubiquitous in Japan
Drunk and disorderly behaviour is a crime, treated and enforced accordingly
I find Mayor of Shibuya Hasebe refusal to review alternatives, organized destination events, the use of central taxpayer funds, overreach. I also suspect Hasebe has a political agenda.
If only people would embrace the true traditions of Hallowe'en.
Indeed. As a kid in Glasgow, Halloween was for kids. We dressed up, went round to neighbours' houses, sang a song or spoke a poem, and got treats such as nuts and maybe a penny coin. It was quite a thrill.
piskian -- The true traditions of Hallowe'en comes from "The Day of the Dead" in Mexico. Quite a difference from what it is now. So the Japanese takes it differently. We changed it, too. So who can say Japan is committing something wrong, eh? Celebrate it your way. Don't expect Japan to do it your way, though.
Never understood why all those oiajis don't capitaliste on those evens, such as Halloween, Christmas, etc.
Insyrad if just banning and say no to everything, imagine creating some kind of flea market where people can spend money, doing some costumes contests, etc.
The same as many other problems that require rules in general to be addressed, like people smoking in public places.
The police presence, are experienced enough manage this anti social behavior.
Therefore it is justified to give them an ordinance that becomes a tool to do precisely this without problem.
However if carefully sited, a themed event, in a local park, open space, with full support from local business community,
But when the local business community profit much more from not having the event then this is no argument, more expenses and effort to get less revenue? this is the reason why no other place have raised their hand to tell people to go there on Halloween.
A fundament rethink, the problem can be overcome.
The problem is also solved in this way with much less effort and investment.
Never understood why all those oiajis don't capitaliste on those evens, such as Halloween, Christmas, etc.
Because it is hard, complicated and comes with risks? and their business model is very different and very profitable as it is? I mean anything could be an opportunity from having a red district to putting frequent fireworks festivals, but if it is just too complicated and expensive then it is perfectly logical for the locals to see no point in doing it.
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Gorramcowboy
Why 29:00? Why not 05:00? Anything beyond 24:00 is just strange looking.
bass4funk
Yeah, their concept of measuring time is different. Not uncommon to see bars that read closing time: pm 26:00-27:00 just messed with my brain.
dagon
While Shibuya crushes signs of youthful exuberance, deserted towns with scatterings of seniors are erecting fake storefronts and mannequins. Mayor Hasebe and LDP logic.
shogun36
No smoking on the street……all the old Japanese businessmen will be crushed.
That should be the law every single day of the year.
Chico3
It's that time again! I'm looking forward to Halloween in Tokyo, yay! Last year was cool, and I had a blast.
TokyoLiving
Excellent, thanks Tokyo..
Jennie
29:00? It’s not weird it’s simply wrong. Either go with the am pm or the military time, but pick one and stick to it.
GillislowTier
Thanks for not disappointing us by not having a strangely worded sign Japan
Mark
24:00 and beyond makes sense for late night TV shows.
virusrex
Makes sense for anything in the early morning that continues from the previous night.
SomeWeeb
No having fun! Only old people here now!
GBR48
No, 29:00 makes no sense at all. It's called a 24 hour clock for a reason.
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Jay
These signs are hilarious. The third one says "In Shibuya, there is NO culture of drinking while in the streets"....
Well, there is if thousands of people do it on Halloween every year. Even when it is not Halloween there are probably people drinking on the sidewalk.
Instead of trying to crush the event, they should figure out how to monetize it and spend that money on cleaning services.
DanteKH
Another nonsense Japanese invention the 24+ H clock.
Never understood why is so complicated to say, for example, Open from 10PM to 5AM, or 22 to 5, instead of the ridiculous 22 to 29??
Who comes with those ideas!? Or worst, how come this nonsense gets tracked and promoted like is a norm??
virusrex
I think it clearly express this is something that people do but it is not desired (at least by the locals), for me it makes more sense in Japanese.
tamanegi
Does anyone know what the fines or imprisonment length will be given to those breaking these laws?
garypen
I can understand prohibiting drinking in the street. But, smoking? That's nuts. (I don't smoke, btw.)
Alan Smithee
I remember the days when the only Halloween revelry that occurred in Tokyo was when drunk US expats dressed up in costumes and rode the Yamanote line around and around and around.
wolfshine
It makes the most sense when you interpret this as being their way of punishing the Japanese youth and foreigners who drank in Shibuya during the Covid State of Emergencies when restaurants were subject to curfews and bars were told to close altogether. All of these proposals had been around before Itaewon and before Japan reopened to tourism.
Tokyo has become a complete nanny state not unlike those in America and I'm glad I don't live there, honestly.
virusrex
Second hand smoke kills, it makes even more sense to forbid smoking except in areas where it only affect the smokers.
It is no secret that the measure is meant to push people to spend in the bars, restaurants, etc. instead of uncontrolled drinking on the streets, there is zero need for any "punishment". The locals are not interested in an event that only brings extra expenses (and risks) so they don't see a problem when the image of the place changes and those events move to anywhere else, that is not a nanny state, it is simply that a lot of people think they can impose their way of having fun into locations even when the people there are not interested in hosting those kind of events.
itsonlyrocknroll
I understand clearly define public disorder/order actions and behaviors, consuming food etc. while walking along, loitering on the pavement in Japan are fully understood, have legal restriction
However, I understand it is acceptable to consume soft drinks aside vending machines, which are ubiquitous in Japan
Drunk and disorderly behaviour is a crime, treated and enforced accordingly
I find Mayor of Shibuya Hasebe refusal to review alternatives, organized destination events, the use of central taxpayer funds, overreach. I also suspect Hasebe has a political agenda.
albaleo
Indeed. As a kid in Glasgow, Halloween was for kids. We dressed up, went round to neighbours' houses, sang a song or spoke a poem, and got treats such as nuts and maybe a penny coin. It was quite a thrill.
Anyway, a little early, but here's the poem:
https://poets.org/poem/halloween
Gene Hennigh
piskian -- The true traditions of Hallowe'en comes from "The Day of the Dead" in Mexico. Quite a difference from what it is now. So the Japanese takes it differently. We changed it, too. So who can say Japan is committing something wrong, eh? Celebrate it your way. Don't expect Japan to do it your way, though.
itsonlyrocknroll
The miscreant few are in a minority.
The police presence, are experienced enough manage this anti social behavior.
These festivals are a revenue gift if carefully professionally organized, the logistics involved can be challenging due to the large crowds.
However if carefully sited, a themed event, in a local park, open space, with full support from local business community,
"Street" food and drink in association from local restaurants, within closed areas
A fundament rethink, the problem can be overcome.
The photo is testament to a failure of leadership, a shocking waste of police resources.
DanteKH
Never understood why all those oiajis don't capitaliste on those evens, such as Halloween, Christmas, etc.
Insyrad if just banning and say no to everything, imagine creating some kind of flea market where people can spend money, doing some costumes contests, etc.
Why is nobody thinking outside the box??
virusrex
The same as many other problems that require rules in general to be addressed, like people smoking in public places.
Therefore it is justified to give them an ordinance that becomes a tool to do precisely this without problem.
But when the local business community profit much more from not having the event then this is no argument, more expenses and effort to get less revenue? this is the reason why no other place have raised their hand to tell people to go there on Halloween.
The problem is also solved in this way with much less effort and investment.
Because it is hard, complicated and comes with risks? and their business model is very different and very profitable as it is? I mean anything could be an opportunity from having a red district to putting frequent fireworks festivals, but if it is just too complicated and expensive then it is perfectly logical for the locals to see no point in doing it.