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An elderly woman bows in front of Yasukuni shrine Tuesday during the four-day annual Autumn Festival. The shrine honors Japan's war dead.

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So is this old lady an evil warmonger because she's visiting the shrine? No, of course not... so why are politicians dragged over the coals for it?

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Yes... look at her, is the devil it self..... or at least that is what many people around here will comment.

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Because you can't expect every normal citizen to know better. Politicians know full well the negative consequences the visits have for the country. They know about the shrine's politics, the LDP in particular with the long-standing, close-knit relationship they have with the shrine.

If that wasn't obvious to you, a few minutes on google will enlighten you. Unlike the granny in the pic, I assume you at least know how to use the Internet?

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Thunderbird2: "so why are politicians dragged over the coals for it?"

First, this woman is probably not aware that someone is taking her picture and it's going to be used to contrast that of the visits by politicians. Second, the politicians not only KNOW that the media are going to be there to take their pictures, they often call the media to let them know they are going, and when, and allow their picture to be taken signing in in their OFFICIAL CAPACITY, and most of them do so knowing full well it will further alienate Japan. In short, they do it for political reasons. If it were an honest to goodness personal visit, they wouldn't publicize it at all. Third, the woman likely does not know what Japan did and does not honour the war criminals there and so does not enter.

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I'm well aware what the shrine means thank you very much, Mr Bum. The shrine is for ALL of the war dead, not just the war criminals... but some people can only see "War Criminals Revered Here" writ large in glowing letters with the Rising Sun flag fluttering in the breeze because it gives them something to moan about and act all superior.

Suppose that old lady's father is enshrined there... is she to be told not to go to pay his spirit some respect because it annoys people? Bollox.

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You asked what is the difference is between her and politicians, I explained, and you still talk about them like they're the same. I wouldn't jump on her for not having a reasonable plan to save Japan's economy either. Why do you even compare them?

And you really think all those politicians visiting on mass like that is just to pay respects? Seriously?? You know when they did that before? When Murayama first gave his official apology against their strong disapproval. The motivation for the visits couldn't be more obvious. With a wealth of other options, you don't think that claiming to "pray for peace" at the one place that offends your former victims is at least disingenuous?

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MrBum: Very good points. If Thunderbird feels it is truly for the sake of paying respects, he, the politicians, and Yasukuni itself would have absolutely NO problem with the names of the more than 1000 war criminals removed from the shrine, or else the official place to pay respects for the war dead being moved to the place that the Imperial family visits, with Yasukuni being officially shunned.

But no, methinks they would never agree to that. Why? because "you do not understand!"

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No, she's not a warmonger and no she's not an idiot. She's just... Japanese.

When she was young, she probably listened to stories from her father about America did this to us or China did this to us. Then at school, she was probably brought to this shrine, and then later to the museum where she again was only given the point of view that was encouraged to be taught. She, like most people in Japan, were raised on stories of the pain of war as shown by what others did to them, not what they did.

Ignorance is a failure of the whole system, not necessarily this woman's fault.

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I just think it's nonsense to believe that they are all honouring the war criminals... Some perhaps, but to tar them all with the same brush is a bit much.

Also to suggest that non politicos who visit are somehow naive is just a wee bit insulting to those who DO visit. I'm sure plenty of Japanese DO know what happened in WW2... they just don't want to talk about it to foreigners who want them to wallow in guilty torment at what their ancestors may or not have done.

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You do not know what she is thinking. She may be thinking this would be great place for a parking lot.

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I just think it's nonsense to believe that they are all honouring the war criminals

Ultimate straw man argument. Nobody thinks that and nobody says that. Willful missing of the point. The obstinacy of those who insist the names of the war criminals need to stay 'enshrined', and the bogus religious underpinning, is what robs ordinary Japanese like this lady of what should be their normal right to pay respects at an uncontroversial war memorial.

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What a wonderful, respectful offering she is making. we should all honor our war dead.

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Yes, she may have well lost a relative, but those in the political elite are the grandchildren of those who sent ordinary Japanese to their death. She has every right to be there, unlike those attention seekers.

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thunderbird2 - i understood your point and agreed

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" The shrine honors Japan’s war dead."

Including 1,068 war criminals; 14 of whom are considered A-Class.

Just saying...

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