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Defense Minister Kishi visits UK aircraft carrier

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kurisupisuToday  07:58 am JST

New era of international cooperation between the UK and Japan has begun-banzai!

The UK and Japan have been allies since 1902 with a 4 year break during WWII. That's 115 years.

The British Royal Navy was the model for Japan's modern Navy in the 1800s.

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William77Today  07:59 am JST

Kishi.....another nippon kaigi member with a dark family history.

I wonder what if another former axis country would have a Himmler as defense minister.

China today under the CCP is the closest thing the world has seen to Nazi Germany. It is a concern for the whole world as this article makes clear. 76 year old history is just that, history and not a concern.

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the bad guy who wants to fight CHINA with my taxes!!!!!!!!

Nobody wants to fight China. China has NO natural enemies but those it chooses to make and with IT"S actions to prepare for war in the region others must also prepare to defend themselves from China's aggression.

China continues to demand concessions from others as it builds it's very own colonial empire. If Japan does not want to end up a vassal state to China in their empire it must prepare to defend itself it's freedom and interests.

China could try to be friendly instead of continually building up it's military for a fight, but it would rather have the fight.

So this guy is a good guy wanting to protect you and Japan with your taxes, as he should.

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@Yoto: Every countries politicians and populists do it, some of their actual or to be charges will grab a hold of what "once was", the glory and vote for them. This is why. AKA: Nationalism.

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China is adding more capability to its navy every year than the entire capability of the UK navy.

For what purpose does it need such a large navy?

The US dominated status quo is over.

No, it is not. It is supported by the EU, NATO and a whole host of other aligned nations.

Will the new status quo be better with China as the dominant capitalist power?

If China ever manages to be the dominant force it will be much worse for the world as it is for freedom currently within China being savagely curtailed and ruled by a cadre of old men out of their own personal interest and power.

It should be good for Japan but the occupation regime needs to be overthrown.

The friendship and alliance with the US is what keeps Japan free from Chinese rule. Becoming a vassal state to China is in China's interest and nobody else's.

Japanese civilization was obviously introduced by Chinese civilization.

Debatable and irrelevant in modern terms.

and China is by far Japan's largest trading partner and rapidly pulling further ahead of the closest rivals.

Which means nothing to China, and will not stop it from attacking Japan.

USA has nothing but lawlessness, disease, losing wars and bankruptcy to offer Japan.

CCP lies. It always falls back on lies. China, you cant trust them and cant work with them.

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Its a joint exercise with the Netherlands if you would Like to pay attention to the details in the article

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Good, time for China to shake in its boots again.

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i can't help but wonder who has the world dominance order as their ultimate objective and motivation is it perhaps the English royal family and all her commonwealths countries. Or is it China ?

It is China without any doubt at all!

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Kishi.....another nippon kaigi member with a dark family history.

Go back far enough and almost every family has a dark history. So what is your point?

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YotomayaToday  12:59 pm JST

76 year old history is just that, history and not a concern.

Then why do people like Kishi and other Nippon Kaigi members hold up values that led to these seemingly irrelevant historical events?

The US, UK, EU, Australia, Canada, Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesesia, Malaysia, India etc all have no problem with the Nippon Kaigi, formed in 1997 and has 40,000 members.

But these nations and others have a major problem with the Chinese Communist Party, which controls an ultranationalist dicatatorship, founded in 1921 and has 95,148,000 members.

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IngvarToday  03:01 pm JST

> It's an occupation and those occupation forces are the only thing which would put Japan in Chinese cross-hairs.

I didn’t know an occupation force had to leave when asked by the host country, which is what the US would have to do if asked by Japan.

You clearly aren’t familiar with the relatively recent history between Japan and China of you think the US presence here is what puts Japan in China’s crosshairs.

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I think the point being missed here is. Its great to see Japan and the U.K. come together to do great things.

This vessel being here is just one facet of the story. This is a good thing. British naval officers are very clever.

 Britain's “commitment to strengthen our diplomatic, economic and security ties in the Indo-Pacific.” He said it will take ties between Japan and Britain “to a whole new level.”

That's a beautiful thing.

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The renewal of the long standing friendly relations between Japan and the UK can only be of benefit to both of them. They both have similar geopolitical concerns and are island nations deeply involved in world trade and maritime trade which is currently being threatened with disruption by a CCP lead China. The only people who benefit from denigrating this relationship are the CCP.

Who is or is not a wumao I have no idea, but the massive digital CCP efforts to manipulate world opinion are a demonstrated fact, and not calling out their lies and distortions merely furthers their long term agenda of oppression.

That Japan feels the need to increase its alliances and reinforce its military after all these decades is entirely a product of CCP lead Chinese aggression and militaristic expansionism.

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The occupation forces have the right to refuse any such request they get out of Japan.

Correct, however there have been no occupation forces in Japan since it regained it's sovereignty.

You comment is only seventy years out of date. The forces in Japan are here by "mutual agreement".

I guess if having foreign forces in Japan means they are occupied then the new bases set up by China in other countries are also foreign occupation forces. China building it's colonial empire is taking shape.

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Jtsnose, yes, on the TV news they made it clear that he visited the Dutch frigate in the strike force first, and then the QE afterwards.

https://www.forces.net/news/dutch-warship-will-join-hms-queen-elizabeth-first-operational-deployment

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Most of the photos are of the visit to the Dutch frigate, only the first being to the Tudor Rose adorned UK ship. That tells you after which Elizabeth it is named.

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@zichi

Nations. Which are lead by governments which represent the people.

If you can not distingush between the global objection to the principles, behavior and actions of the CCP and the objections that some individuals may have to the principles of the Nippon Kaigi, I suggest you read the article again.

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William77Today  02:50 pm JST

The UK and Japan have been allies since 1902 with a 4 year break during WWII. That's 115 years.

The British Royal Navy was the model for Japan's modern Navy in the 1800s.

Yeah maybe you forgot the bombardment of Kagoshima or the battle of Singapore,such great friendship until 1945.

Nope, nothing forgotten.

Read what I said -1902 when the Anglo-Japanese Alliance was singed, to present day excludung WWII.

Anglo-Satsuma War -a war between Britain and the Satsuma Clan (not all of Japan or Tokugawa Shogunate) took place in 1863.

THe Battle of Singapore was during WWII in 1942.

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zichiToday  02:20 pm JST

I think western governments, for the sake of relationships, ignore Nippon Kaigi but watch with concerns too. You have only posted your opinion.

Which is exactly what you are doing, posting your opinion. What I posted reflects the article.

The majority of Brits would object to the principles of the Nippon Kaigi and the government should represent the views of its people. But most Brits and other people will never of heard of them.

Please state what exactly qualification you hold to state what the "majority of Brits" would think. Would you like me to tell you what the "majority of Yanks would think"?

The post does not mention the Nippon Kaigi and object to your revisionism of it. Mentioned by William77.

This article is not about and makes no reference to Nippon Kaigi, it refers specifically to China. It was brought up by a resident wumao poster and you give it support.

Nippon Kaigi (NK, the “Japan Conference”) is Japan's largest and most powerful conservative right-wing organization.

An organiation irrelevant outside of Japan and to this article.

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the massive digital CCP efforts to manipulate world opinion are a demonstrated fact, and not calling out their lies and distortions merely furthers their long term agenda of oppression.

That Japan feels the need to increase its alliances and reinforce its military after all these decades is entirely a product of CCP lead Chinese aggression and militaristic expansionism.

Well said @englisc aspyrgend

Completely agree.

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I saw a documentary that said that the Japanese based their navy on the British one. The British essentially enabled the Japanese to become a naval power in the 1940s. Still that's all history now.

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To stop the US and/or NATO navies doing what it did to Japan in 1939. i.e. creating an embargo at best or directly attacking China at worst.

Those actions by the US in 1939 were to support China, are you saying they were a mistake and should not have happened? Outrageous. Japan attacked the US not the other way around.

The Reich is pretty much ready to make an open break with USA.

If you think that Germany is ready to leave NATO you are delusional. Trade has nothing to do with it.

It's almost hard to image it being any worse than now. The economic order has broken down for most people in every country. The social order is just behind.

And you dont think it might have anything to do with the pandemic that started in China that has effected all nations and their economies in such an adverse way? It may yet get worse if new more deadly variants of covid-19 become dominant.

Freedom for who and to do what? Billionaires and super-rich celebrities in China aren't free to not pay tax? How quaint!

Freedom for the ordinary citizens of China to object to the CCP and its bogus orders and privileges to do what citizens can not. Open your eyes to see how bad they are.

It's an occupation and those occupation forces are the only thing which would put Japan in Chinese cross-hairs.

It is a defense partnership and China's cross-hairs are on many nations with no US bases so clearly that is not true. China wants Japanese controlled (and owned) Senkaku Islands and with or without US bases that puts Japan in China's sights.

This is why the wolrd opposes Chinese actions in this region, its trade coercion and military brinkmanship. China has no "right" to dominate the world against its wishes. Neither does the US but at least it has more supporters (sovereign nations) to back its position.

The UK and Dutch ships conducting port calls In Japan and other nations in the region is to send a message to China about just who does not support their position on the South China sea nor its attempts to bully smaller countries in Asia. More and more nations are sending ships through the Indo-Pacific and Asia region in solidarity with Japan and the Quad.

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China has never been so vulnerable as right now. With trade tied up in the ports and covid blocking some ports the import money must be drying up. Taiwan should put on her big girl pants and do everything possible to disrupt open sea passage to and from China. Start a war. Bring the thick-headed thug to his knees. You have the 69% return on equity you've had for years so you know you can afford a little play time in the General Dougles MacArthur sea ( after all the South China Sea should be named after him).

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@zichi

You are shocked for nothing. I have never stated that I "support" the Nippon Kaigi or any right wing groups. This is called a straw man argument. What I have repeatedly stated is that as this article maks clear ,numerous nations consider China to be a threat, And no countries consider the Nippon Kaigi or annoying loud black trucks to be a threat, except some people within Japan. Just as British political issues are British issues.

Living in the UK for 40 years does not give you qualification to declare what "most Brits think" any more than my 50 years in the US permits me to declare what "most Americans think". This is such a silly thing to say.

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That’s surprising. Well then, P and z have to be the slowest “invaders” in history.

Hell,… decades slow.

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Basic etiquette: It’s always best to invite ‘everyone’ and surround yourself with ‘friends’ when hosting a party:

“Defense Minister Nobuo Kishi saying the involvement of European nations in the Indo-Pacific region is key to peace and stability.

Japan is seeking to expand its military cooperation beyond its traditional alliance with the US as China's navy expands, military strength and influence grow. and increasingly presses its territorial claims.” -

Keep in mind, the neighbors can become upset by all the vehicles and increased traffic in the neighborhood.

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New era of international cooperation between the UK and Japan has begun-banzai!

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The photo shows flag with red, white, blue horizontal stripes, . . . . this is the flag of the Netherlands?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_with_blue,_red,_and_white_stripes

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It's the Dutch frigate, HNLMS Evertsen (F805).

https://fuentitech.com/dutch-navy-frigate-evertsen-departs-for-voyage-to-japan/13709/

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Nippon Kaigi, I respect them, if an Anti-japanese racist complains about some Japanese organization due to no reason it there own paranoia. I think racist people who hates Japan needs to mind there own business.

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Chatham House Report Edited by John Nilsson-Wright

The UK and Japan

Forging a Global and Proactive Partnership

Final report of the UK–Japan Global Seminar series

https://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/default/files/2019-05-29%20UK%20Japan%20Global%20Partnership.pdf

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Japan may have modeled its navy after the British but it was the French that arrived and taught the Japanese naval warfare and ship building with steel.

And helped defeated the samurai.

After 250 yrs of isolation Japan basically begged any nation to help them become modernized.

Iam not sure if i would call Japan civilized yet tho.

Hard to tell unless you actually live here anyway.

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OssanAmerica

Please state what exactly qualification you hold to state what the "majority of Brits" would think. Would you like me to tell you what the "majority of Yanks would think"?

The fact that I am British and lived there for more than 40 years before moving to Japan. Organisations like the Nippon Kaigi are offensive to the majority of the Brits just as are the National Front and the English Defence League.

But none of the British extreme rightwing groups have a single member of parliament. Unlike here in Japan.

I am shocked you would give the Nippon Kaigi a second of your support. The same guys who roam the streets with black vans and loudspeakers.

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Better hurry up, make some detailed photos and then copy and build many exact clones of that ship. The exercise’ name is the hint for why to do it.

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I think western governments, for the sake of relationships, ignore Nippon Kaigi but watch with concerns too. You have only posted your opinion.

The majority of Brits would object to the principles of the Nippon Kaigi and the government should represent the views of its people. But most Brits and other people will never of heard of them.

The post does not mention the Nippon Kaigi and object to your revisionism of it. Mentioned by William77.

Nippon Kaigi (NK, the “Japan Conference”) is Japan's largest and most powerful conservative right-wing organization.

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zichiToday  02:20 pm JST

I think western governments, for the sake of relationships, ignore Nippon Kaigi but watch with concerns too. You have only posted your opinion.

The majority of Brits would object to the principles of the Nippon Kaigi and the government should represent the views of its people. But most Brits and other people will never of heard of them.

The post does not mention the Nippon Kaigi and object to your revisionism of it. Mentioned by William77.

*Nippon Kaigi** (NK, the “Japan Conference”) is Japan's largest and most powerful conservative right-wing organization.*

Excellent post Zichi,on the top of that I would also add that if the Nippon Kaigi was a conservative movement intended in a non racist and democratic way then it would be accepted,but we here we all do well know how right they are,and they look at the historical Japanese right wing movements which promotes the “nipponjin-ron” and other trash talk like the superiority and uniqueness of the Wa people.

All the western media in their article look at the Nipp on Kaigi in a bad light,and rightfully so.

People that defend such affiliation have no sense of human rights and equality.

And Kishi brings a name and an ideological affiliation alien to modern democracies.

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FishboneToday  05:08 pm JST

The Asahi Shimbun does not count.

Who mentioned The Asahi Shimbun?

The people in the west to need to come with the terms that Japan is a conservative country.

What, because the skewed electoral system keeps returning conservative governments that pursue conservative agendas that have little bearing on what most ordinary Japanese want?

If people in the west don't like Nippon Kaigi, that is too bad, because what happens in Japan is really none of their business.

It is if hardcore right-wingers in the government keep annoying neighbouring countries and expect the US to back them up.

It was not Nippon kaigi don't lead to Afghanistan and Vietnam. Was it?

More "what about..." arguments.

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@UK9393Today 01:24 pm JST

Obviously

@OssanAmericaToday 01:37 pm JST

The US, UK, EU, Australia, Canada, Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesesia, Malaysia, India etc all have no problem with the Nippon Kaigi, formed in 1997 and has 40,000 members.

But these nations and others have a major problem with the Chinese Communist Party, which controls an ultranationalist dicatatorship, founded in 1921 and has 95,148,000 members.

Many of the nations you mention supported and support dictators around the world, so I wouldn't hold them up as some kind of moral compass. Japan is and, for a long time, has been a strategic partner, along the lines of Saudi Arabia or Turkey. Also, membership in the CCP and NK has completely different implications in their respective countries so comparing numbers like this is either disingenuous or simplistic. NK is an extremely powerful organization with members in the government of the country with the world's third largest economy.

Finally, if your post was a comeback to my question, fine, but I'm left scratching my head as to which part you were addressing. I was talking about the "leaving the past behind" line that conservatives love to use worldwide when leaving out historical data that doesn't suit their narrative. It's almost a cliche to say it at this point, but those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it.

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OssanAmerica 

The US, UK, EU, Australia, Canada, Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, India etc all have no problem with the Nippon Kaigi,

How do you know that? Do you mean governments or people?

Many Brits and Americans would have strong objections to the principles of Nippon Kaigi and even many Japanese. I know I do.

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Kishi.....another nippon kaigi member with a dark family history.

I wonder what if another former axis country would have a Himmler as defense minister.

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76 year old history is just that, history and not a concern.

Then why do people like Kishi and other Nippon Kaigi members hold up values that led to these seemingly irrelevant historical events?

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I bet this guy doesn't even know the difference between a carrier and a frigate.

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a key to peace and stability?

Iam interested to see how this works out.

Iam glad for the involvement of HMS

But iam dubious of the possible alterior motives and hidden agendas.

During ww1 the British invited or requested that Japan's imperial army joined the war as a full fledged ally and was promised islands that were controlled by Germany at the time.

But Japan couldn't stop slaughtering everybody ruthlessly and killing captured soldiers as criminals and breaking their promises and agreements they made with the league of nations.

So the islands that we're promised to Japan were given to Australia.

Although iam not fond of China and its pushy dominance the British are also pushy and domineering.

Let's not forget that the Ryukyus were originally not just a tributary of China but also friends and China gave the ryukyu kingdom a navy and a government.

The Ryukyus had guns and gunpowder long before the Europeans did .

That would be before the Europeans introduced guns and gunpowder to Japan.

Not to forget the real reason the British had a war with China and used opium to destabilize their country to control and manipulate their strong trading and imposed tributary agreements with other nations.

Hms is undoubtedly extremely powerful and not a force to be recconned with but i can't help but wonder who has the world dominance order as their ultimate objective and motivation is it perhaps the English royal family and all her commonwealths countries.

Or is it China ?

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OssanAmericaToday  01:37 pm JST

The US, UK, EU, Australia, Canada, Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesesia, Malaysia, India etc all have no problem with the Nippon Kaigi, formed in 1997 and has 40,000 members.

Not very smart of them, then.

But these nations and others have a major problem with the Chinese Communist Party...

You clearly do, too. You can't seem to stop going on about it. By the way, I have no sympathy at all for the CCP, its goals or its methods, but the same old stuff does get tiresome to read after a while.

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The UK and Japan have been allies since 1902 with a 4 year break during WWII. That's 115 years.

The British Royal Navy was the model for Japan's modern Navy in the 1800s.

Yeah maybe you forgot the bombardment of Kagoshima or the battle of Singapore,such great friendship until 1945.

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I didn’t know an occupation force had to leave when asked by the host country, which is what the US would have to do if asked by Japan.

The occupation forces have the right to refuse any such request they get out of Japan.

You clearly aren’t familiar with the relatively recent history between Japan and China of you think the US presence here is what puts Japan in China’s crosshairs.

I'm familiar with the fact China is Japan's biggest trading partner by far but Japan is also a very significant trading partner for Japan. It would be utterly illogical for China to invade Japan unless a threat was emanating from Japan. Even then, if Japan kicked out the occupiers, one way or another.

I'm also a generally familiar with the almost 2000 years of Japanese history and how it started and the 5000 years of Chinese history. You should visit the museum in Ueno. It's called The Tokyo Metropolitan Museum but calling it "The Museum of China and Japan" would be more appropriate given the content of the items.

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For what purpose does it need such a large navy?

To stop the US and/or NATO navies doing what it did to Japan in 1939. i.e. creating an embargo at best or directly attacking China at worst.

No, it is not. It is supported by the EU, NATO and a whole host of other aligned nations.

The Reich is pretty much ready to make an open break with USA. China is a bigger trading partner and pulling further ahead rapidly. See the Germany navy's recent venture into east and north east Asian waters. They agreed with USA to send a ship but were at pains to tell China it wouldn't venture into waters claimed by China and wouldn't be part of any larger multi-national flotilla. Unfortunately China denied the ship permission to dock in a Chinese port.

If China ever manages to be the dominant force it will be much worse for the world

It's almost hard to image it being any worse than now. The economic order has broken down for most people in every country. The social order is just behind.

freedom currently within China being savagely curtailed

Freedom for who and to do what? Billionaires and super-rich celebrities in China aren't free to not pay tax? How quaint!

The friendship and alliance with the US is what keeps Japan free from Chinese rule.

It's an occupation and those occupation forces are the only thing which would put Japan in Chinese cross-hairs.

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China is adding more capability to its navy every year than the entire capability of the UK navy. The US dominated status quo is over. Will the new status quo be better with China as the dominant capitalist power? It can hardly be any worse. USA and it's lackey lesser imperialist powers leave death, poverty, desperation, disease, destruction wherever it gets the upper-hand.

It should be good for Japan but the occupation regime needs to be overthrown. Japanese civilization was obviously introduced by Chinese civilization and China is by far Japan's largest trading partner and rapidly pulling further ahead of the closest rivals. USA has nothing but lawlessness, disease, losing wars and bankruptcy to offer Japan.

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the bad guy who wants to fight CHINA with my taxes!!!!!!!!

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half dead meets half dead.... swing low sweet chariot

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This is a very unwise move.

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