Japan, Germany vow to guard rules-based int'l order amid Ukraine war

Who made the rules and why should the Russians or anyone else follow them?

Sure......up until it is inconvenient!

Canada has implemented sanctions that violate international law by seizing Russian assets selling them and giving the money to Ukraine ( seizing holding is acceptable under international laws but the rules are it or the proceeds from sales go to the country that owns it once a settlement is reached).

Anyway Canada seized a Siemens Russian Turbine to push gas to Germany.

Germany forced Canada to return it to Germany and then Russia.

Who made the rules and why should the Russians or anyone else follow them?

The US of course. And they seem not to have noticed that fewer of the world's countries are falling in line like before. That is, except for countries like in the picture above, sending out signals of weakness to foreign adversaries while being increasingly strong-armed toward their own citizens.

There never has been an "rules-based international order." It has always come down to who has the most power makes the rules. In times of peace like the West has enjoyed for the past 70 years, people tend to forget that. Right now we are looking at a US led faction against a China-Russia led faction. India playing both sides, and everyone about to run out of money, with the US leading the way there too. Most currently developed countries are living in denial.

look at their faces later when Russia will cut the natural gas, they will hide deeply!

"Hi, we've made up a bunch of rules and called them the 'Rules-Based International Order', and you'd better follow them, or else. Y'all have a nice day now"

indigo

Today 08:42 am JST

look at their faces later when Russia will cut the natural gas, they will hide deeply!

Russia won't cut off the gas because we already know Germany will give in.

How do we know this? Well it just pressured Canada to return a Russian Gas turbine in Canada undergoing maintenance, Canada seized it to sell and give the money to Ukraine.

Germany is presently only receiving 60% of the usual gas from Russia because these turbines are under maintenance, without them Russia said Monday the 11th it was going to cut the gas even more as the backup pumps/turbine cannot handle the flow much longer.

Canada said no then Germany pushed and both Canada and Germany folded.

Russia is getting its turbines back now.

Zelensky is telling Canada it is wrong and Canada is making a mistake.

Wait why is he blaming Canada it is Germany and Siemens corp that are pushing Canada not Russia.

Ohhhh, right Canada has the largest ethnic Ukraine population outside Ukraine ( if you ignore all the ethic Ukrainians living in Russia) and Justin is terrified of their voting power.

Sounds dictated orders

The phrase 'rules based international order' was created by the United States to obscure its own non-compliance with international law.

Japan: "yes sir! (US) i will persuade asian countries according to your command sir"

NATO: "okay brother, i will gather as much as many european countries that will follow you"

US: "hehe thats good, first step of my plan ahem our plan is sanction the 2 other power house in this world. im the only one powerhouse you all need hehehe oh and bully that kimmy boy"

there's a balance in powerhouses in our current world... until the Fire Nation attacks...

Russia will win this game as it controls who has and oil and gas or not!

Putting a price cap on Russian oil, as is being discussed will cause the oil price to soar.

Expect a bleak winter!

The foreign ministers of Japan and Germany pledged Monday to work together to support the rules-based international order

And what exactly are these "rules"? That the US and NATO can militarily intervene everywhere in the world where they want, regardless of what the local government says? But no-one else can? Something else? The whiff of hyprisy is strong.

indigo

look at their faces later when Russia will cut the natural gas, they will hide deeply!

But hey, they have windmills, dont they? This must be a gigantic chance to show off with their green agenda.

These clowns are still doing the elbow bump? These people aren't serious.

AxelToday 07:43 am JST

Who made the rules and why should the Russians or anyone else follow them?

The international rules were made and passed by majority agreements, some even agreed by Russia and China at the time of making. To change these rules requires majority consensus. Just choosing to ignore the rules when they stop you for hurting others, stealing from others, or trying to force others to do as you bid is unlawful and morally wrong.

If some nations wish for a change then they must propose alternatives and gain a majority of nations to agree and back the changes. If they cant do that within agreed frameworks in international bodies then they must continue to follow the rules and laws as they are or face the consequences.

Complaining that you cant do whatever you like even at others expense is not going to win sympathy from anyone.

@Peter14

The international rules were made and passed by majority agreements, some even agreed by Russia and China at the time of making. To change these rules requires majority consensus. Just choosing to ignore the rules when they stop you for hurting others, stealing from others, or trying to force others to do as you bid is unlawful and morally wrong.

Under the 'rules based international order', Israel is allowed to annex parts of Syria, America is allowed to invade and occupy Iraq without UN security council approval, Iranian generals can be assassinated at will, Serbia can be bombed and broken up on humanitarian grounds, and the sovereign territory of any state can be violated by drone strikes. Who exactly agreed to any of this, and when? None of it is allowed by international law or the UN Charter but apparently it's perfectly acceptable under the 'rules based international order'.

Under the 'rules based international order', Israel is allowed to annex parts of Syria, America is allowed to invade and occupy Iraq without UN security council approval, Iranian generals can be assassinated at will, Serbia can be bombed and broken up on humanitarian grounds, and the sovereign territory of any state can be violated by drone strikes. Who exactly agreed to any of this, and when?

No one. The rule you are speaking of is one of nature, not of man, and that rule is might makes right.

Civilization is an attempt to counter this, to have justice make right. But without an overarching world government, all we have is a bunch of people who essentially have various levels of might, discussing what they believe to be right. But when a country, like America, or Russia, decides to invade a foreign nation, there are only three things that can be done:

1* Stand back and watch, maybe voicing dissatisfaction

2* Place sanctions, as an attempt to apply leverage

3* Attack, with war

Notice how none of those involve a lawsuit, or any kind of law? That's because there is no world police that can go in and arrest the leaders of a nation that has decided it will do whatever it wants, and feel it has the might to back it up.

Someday, maybe humans will cooperate enough that we can have a rule of law that applies world-wide, arresting leaders like Putin in a situation like invading Ukraine, or Bush 2 in a situation like invading Iraq, but at the moment, such does not exist, and might makes right is the world law.

Under the 'rules based international order', Israel is allowed to annex parts of Syria,

No, it is not.

America is allowed to invade and occupy Iraq without UN security council approval,

UN Security council does not the approve or deny such things, it is beyond their purview.

Iranian generals can be assassinated at will,

Not legal.

Serbia can be bombed and broken up on humanitarian grounds,

Nope.

and the sovereign territory of any state can be violated by drone strikes.

Again not legally.

Who exactly agreed to any of this, and when?

This is your fantasy.

None of it is allowed by international law or the UN Charter

Actions taken in self defense are legal. Assisting a nation that requests it is legal.

but apparently it's perfectly acceptable under the 'rules based international order'.

Indeed it is amazing what strong nations can get away with and no one nation is guilty, there are a number all as guilty of illegal acts as others.

We all know how well it went last time Japan and Germany got together.

antiquesaving:

Ohhhh, right Canada has the largest ethnic Ukraine population outside Ukraine ( if you ignore all the ethic Ukrainians living in Russia) and Justin is terrified of their voting power.

Apparently there's a Canadian top politician whose grandfather was a Ukrainian Nazi. She has totally denied all wrongdoings of her grandfather and I suspect she has certain tendencies too.

The biggest military in the world calls the shot. The US decides the rules and if you don't follow the US-dictated world order, you are censured by the USA. These two stooges are loyally following that US-centric order. When the USA arbitrarily backs off from the rules that it initiated to create be it an environmental treaty, nuclear deals, or a trade agreement, these two obsequiously acquiesce.

The biggest military in the world calls the shot. The US decides the rules and if you don't follow the US-dictated world order, you are censured by the USA. These two stooges are loyally following that US-centric order. When the USA arbitrarily backs off from the rules that it initiated to create be it an environmental treaty, nuclear deals, or a trade agreement, these two obsequiously acquiesce.

As I said earlier:

might makes right.