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Vietnam's Defense Minister General Phan Van Giang, left, Deputy Defense Minister Sr Lt General Hoang Xuan Chien, second left, attend a signing ceremony for the bilateral memorandums with Japan's Defense Minister Nobuo Kishi, right, and Vice Minister of Defense for International Affairs Akihiro Tsuchimichi at the Defense Ministry in Tokyo on Tuesday. Photo: Issei Kato/Pool via AP
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Japan, Vietnam look to cyber defense against China

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By MARI YAMAGUCHI

Japan and Vietnam on Tuesday signed an agreement to cooperate in space defense and cybersecurity, as the two Asian nations rapidly step up their military ties amid concerns over China’s growing assertiveness.

Japan’s Defense Minister Nobuo Kishi told reporters that the space and cyberspace agreement aimed to address a “strong sense of urgency” over activities in the Indo-Pacific region that challenge the existing international order, indicating China without identifying any country by name.

Kishi said talks with his Vietnamese counterpart, Phan Van Giang, had taken “defense cooperation between the two countries to a new level.”

Tokyo regularly protests the Chinese coast guard’s presence near the Japanese-controlled Senkaku islands, which China also claims and calls Diaoyu. Japanese officials say Chinese vessels routinely violate Japanese territorial waters around the islands, sometimes threatening fishing boats.

Kishi also said he raised concerns over the recent escalation of joint military activities by China and Russia near Japanese waters and airspace.

Kishi said a fleet of two Chinese H-6 fighters and two Russian Tu-95 flew from the Sea of Japan to the East China Sea and to the Pacific Ocean, triggering Japanese Self-Defense Force jets to scramble.

Chinese and Russian warplanes previously flew together around Japan twice in 2019, he added.

During the talks, Kishi expressed Japan’s strong opposition to “any unilateral attempts to change the status quo by coercion or any activities that escalate tensions,” referring to China’s increasingly assertive activity in the East and South China Sea.

Japan is committed to protecting a “free and democratic” Indo-Pacific region and cooperating with the United States and other “like-minded countries that share universal values,” Kishi said.

Tuesday’s deal comes only two months after the two countries struck a deal allowing Japan to provide defense equipment and technology to Vietnam. Details of the transfer of specific equipment, possibly naval vessels, are still being discussed.

Vietnam is the 11th nation with which Japan has signed a defense equipment and technology transfer deal as Tokyo seeks to support its own struggling defense industry. Japan is also looking to expand military cooperation beyond its longtime ally the U.S., and has signed similar agreements with Britain, Australia, the Philippines and Indonesia.

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I pity any country that messes with Vietnam

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China says it is friendly to everyone. I guess nobody is falling for their lies. Well done to Japan and Vietnam.

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Preoccupying how many of these east asian countries are rapidly increasing their military spending and opting to less democratic approaches and way of living.

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Japans defense force is pathetic ,meek ,wimpy and incompetent !

When China starts up the world's largest super computer and the worlds largest super conductor the little agreements and wimpering cries for help wont do much for Japan.

Meanwhile as everyone focuses on the old economic shipping region Russia and China have a whole new one.

When the action starts and Japan finally stops dithering around to decide what to do it will be too late .

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Japan and Vietnam cooperating on cyber security is like two blind men driving a car. Both unskilled and directionless.

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Japans defense force is pathetic ,meek ,wimpy and incompetent !

Have you ever actually operated with them in the field? I have, several times during my service in the US Coast Guard and later US Navy. They are pros, among the best trained navies in the world with superb well maintained equipment. They are highly competent operators and among the best anti-submarine navies in the world. I know this from close personal experience when our ship was attached to a JMSDF task group during a RIMPAC exercise. They're ships are in many ways better built and better equipped than Royal Navy ships I have also operated with, more attention to damage control and making their ships able to take hits. And their crews practice, practice, practice.

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My fear with Japan cooperating too closely with Vietnam is that Vietnam will use this as an opportunity to do some intel gathering on western cyber security techniques. Yes, Vietnam is a competitor with China and yes they have territorial disputes but their governments are organized almost identically. Both are one party police states with absolutely no concept of individual rights or representative government. Vietnam is much more like China than its neighbors in ways that make me uncomfortable sharing such critical knowledge with them.

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Japan has a lot of time to practice in that they have not gone to war in years so I guess they are good at training for the real thing. I guess.

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i AM VIETNAMESE. Vn in space defense is laughable.

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Their political system is very much similar to that of China or NK. The local rivalry there doesn’t automatically imply VietNam being forever an assured ally to Japan or in a wider sense an anti-Chinese alliance including Japan amongst participating others. If it ever comes to something more earnest action then the both commies are still geographical neighbors and ideologically brother in arms again finally. Give it a controlled try, but also keep that always in mind.

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Soon it will be ever Asian country except for North Korea aligned against China.

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I hope whoever is in charge of cyber security this time for Japan knows how to use a USB stick, unlike the one from about five years ago.

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China says it is friendly to everyone. I guess nobody is falling for their lies. Well done to Japan and Vietnam.

You put too much emotions into this. It’s more rational thinking. What can you do for us? How much? Deal.

Vietnam’s Chinese-built metro line opens as Hanoi seeks to cut traffic, pollution.

If you enjoyed crossing the streets and avoiding mopeds like the game Frogger, those days will be gone with improved transportation.

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If you enjoyed crossing the streets and avoiding mopeds like the game Frogger, those days will be gone with improved transportation.

Tell me about it. I once needed to go to a shop on the other side of the road. It took ages and really did feel like that game. Stop, one step, stop, one step,...

Vietnam’s Chinese-built metro line opens as Hanoi seeks to cut traffic, pollution.

Meanwhile, the Japanese-built HCMC metro has been delayed YET AGAIN. I believe they were trying to find funding as they were building it. I don't know whether this is standard procedure, but this sounds very risky.

Japan and Vietnam cooperating on cyber security is like two blind men driving a car. Both unskilled and directionless.

I think Vietnam is trying to move beyond fax machines.

I pity any country that messes with Vietnam

USA?

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@Desert Tortoise

When you allow an armed foreign military like China and Russia to enter you airspace and waters and do nothing but whine about it - i consider that wimpy and incompetent.

This has nothing to do with what or where you and i have served and who with.

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You put too much emotions into this. It’s more rational thinking. What can you do for us? How much? Deal.

No emotion at all. Just being practical. China is not reliable as a business partner. It has already proven that. China is not to be trusted or believed, it has already proven that.

Before you try to point fingers at other nations, this is not about anyone but China.

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Good news!

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Simian LaneToday 07:16 am JST

I pity any country that messes with Vietnam

America messed with them openly from 1965-75, and covertly from at least 1950 when they started supplying the French colonial army with tons of equipment.

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This alliance needs to include all countries bordering China, and then some.

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To be clear iam Not questioning the strength or aptitudes or performance of the Japanese self defense troops , personnel or servicemen.

Iam critical of the response of the continued entry of the Chinese into Japanese waters.

I think its very important to remember and pay attention to the fact that the senkaku Islands are uninhabited but however they are within the city limits of ISHIGAKI and that the Chinese are armed and agressive whether its coastguard or military and enter ISHIGAKI city limits every two days constantly.

This is not a good defending of Japan by the Japanese self defense -in my opinion.

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When you allow an armed foreign military like China and Russia to enter you airspace and waters and do nothing but whine about it - i consider that wimpy and incompetent.

You do not understand what an ADIZ, Air Defense Intercept Zone, is. it is not territorial airspace. That only extends 12 nm from your shoreline. An ADIZ is an area where aircraft are supposed to declare their intentions when they enter. For commercial air carriers they will simply notify the controlling agency of their flight plan and destination. If they are expected to arrive like a scheduled airline or air cargo flight, then the controlling agency has nothing else to do. If Chinese or Russian bombers show up then they will be hailed on radio. If there is no reply then the controlling agency will probably launch some of their own fighter aircraft to investigate and escort them. At that point that is all they can do. That ADIZ remains international airspace and those Russian or Chinese bombers have every right to fly there. It would only be the case if the bombers went inside the 12 nautical mile territorial limit that Japanese fighters could legally shoot the Russian or Chinese bombers down.

Much the same is true of an EEZ, Economic Enforcement Zone. They extend 200 nm from shore but only grant the nation the right to control the extraction of sea life and minerals. Under maritime law the waters of an EEZ outside the 12nm territorial limit are international waters. Territorial waters begin 12 nm from shore. If a Chinese Coast Guard cutter enters Japan's EEZ but stays beyond 12 nm from shore it is in international waters and has the right to be there. If the Chinese try to fish inside the Japanese EEZ without a license, then the Japanese can arrest them, even sink them legally. But ships retain the right of "innocent passage" through any nation's EEZ. This is much of the dispute in the South China Sea as China often tries to assert that warships cannot pass through an EEZ without permission. That is not how maritime law works.

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Japan should continue on making friends, that's good for Japan and the world.

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What has Japan in common with a communist nation as Vietnam is?

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What has Japan in common with a communist nation as Vietnam is?

Toshihiro Nikai, the pro-China politician, is the shadow shogun who has been responsible for the rise of Shinzo Abe and Yoshihide Suga. He is now the chairman of the Japan-Vietnam parliamentary alliance?

https://english.vov.vn/en/politics/diplomacy/japan-is-vietnams-leading-strategic-partner-says-pm-chinh-906841.vov

Nikai, Abe, Suga want to emulate the model of Chinese/Vietnamese Communist Parties. They have many things in common but only China and Vietnam possess them.

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My fear with Japan cooperating too closely with Vietnam is that Vietnam will use this as an opportunity to do some intel gathering on western cyber security techniques. Yes, Vietnam is a competitor with China and yes they have territorial disputes but their governments are organized almost identically. Both are one party police states with absolutely no concept of individual rights or representative government. Vietnam is much more like China than its neighbors in ways that make me uncomfortable sharing such critical knowledge with them.

@Desert Tortoise

I absolutely agree with you. Toshihiro Nikai is the leader of the pro-China faction in Japan, and this guy has become the chairman of the Japan-Vietnam parliamentary alliance. There is something fishy here because Nikai continues remaining powerful after losing his General Secretary seat of the LDP. Vietnam is now the major source of foreign labor in blue and white-collar jobs that Japanese bureaucrats use to profit. Not to mention that Vietnamese state bureaucrats are brothers to Japanese bureaucrats like magnets. Nikai is now holding quite a critical position.

Japan's cybersecurity capability is lackluster. Vietnam is not, and it is very impressive.

https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/next-gen-infosec/vietnam-cyberspace/

The US experience in Vietnam War was horrendous because our intelligence failure was astronomical due to the NVA/NLF. Vietnamese spies were incredible along with their SIGNIT/HUMINT as USSR assisted on the GEOINT. Now, their CYBINT ability is gradually rising up. They even forced Facebook to block Salt Bae for days, globally!

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/exclusive-facebook-unblocks-saltbae-hashtag-after-vietnamese-ministers-golden-2021-11-09/

If anything, I am quite worried about this. Vietnam is going to steal and acquire the intelligence from Japan and the West since Vietnamese people are going to make up the majority of the Japanese white-collar workforce in the future, including cybersecurity. There is no guarantee that China and Vietnam are in conflict. Not to mention Vietnam is extremely close to Russia!

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“What has Japan in common with a communist nation as Vietnam is?” - Dangerously rising popularity of communism

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No emotion at all. Just being practical. China is not reliable as a business partner. It has already proven that. 

Vietnam asked China to improve the public transportation in its capital city by building a metro train system which recently was completed and opened.

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There is no guarantee that China and Vietnam are in conflict. Not to mention Vietnam is extremely close to Russia!

Im pretty sure Vietnam, Thailand, Japan are all playing the field and walking the tightrope. You have to keep both China and US happy.

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Ultimately the US defends Japan, so do you think that behind the scenes the US is instructing things?

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Ultimately the US defends Japan, so do you think that behind the scenes the US is instructing things?

Cautioning things perhaps.

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“What has Japan in common with a communist nation as Vietnam is?” - Dangerously rising popularity of communism

Lol, what makes you think communism is popular with most Vietnamese? Or most Chinese for that matter?

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Lol, what makes you think communism is popular with most Vietnamese? Or most Chinese for that matter?

Since what happened in 2008 people all over the world have become increasingly reevaluating the liberal system. Putting up walls and firewalls are back in vogue. Resistance to immigration and to trade agreements is mounting. Ostensibly democratic governments undermine the independence of the judiciary system, restrict the freedom of the press, and portray any opposition as treason. Strongmen in countries such as Turkey and Russia experiment with new types of illiberal democracies and downright dictatorships. Perhaps not in this forum, but few today would confidently declare that the Communist Party of China is on the wrong side of history.

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