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© 2024 AFPJapan calls Chinese aircraft incursion serious violation; no comment from Beijing
By Natsuko FUKUE TOKYO©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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Bob Pns
I thought China only wanted peace with it’s neighbors and it was the pesky Americans causing all the trouble? I’m sure there will be a deep sincere apology from the CCP on this matter, right?
WA4TKG
Yup, testing the waters as they say.
Too bad THEY didn’t fire some flairs, that would be something
to see on the internet.
Peter Neil
why the quotes around violated?
deanzaZZR
Flares have now been designated a weapon. Curious the timing and all.
Bob Pns
Classic CCP whataboutism. The 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea states that all ships have the right to transit the territorial waters of another state without conducting activities that would undermine the security of the coastal state.
So you agree it was an aggressive move by China, you’re just now giving excuses for its aggression. I’m glad we both agree
kibousha
An act of war from "peaceful" XiXiPee.
Bob Pns
Flares aren’t weapons? Why don’t you go buy a flare gun and shoot yourself with it. Please report back with the results. I’m sure you’ll be fine seeing as it’s “not a weapon”
deanzaZZR
Flares are used to warn intruding vessels, planes, etc. not to do any damage. Rocks are potentially dangerous too. Just be smart enough to not drop one on your foot.
mu-da
Shoot it down. Only language the CCP understands.
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deanzaZZR
I'm guessing a disagreement on where the boundary exists. Japan and China will work it out. Expect many more flights off the Japan coast now that Japan has taken on the role of monitoring the Chinese navy in international waters.
Bob Pns
They will definitely do damage if you hit someone with one, no?
stormcrow
"Yep, testing the waters as they say."
Yeah, and it looks like they're testing the waters everywhere.
deanzaZZR
That's why flares are released to be visible to an encroaching plane but are not released in its flight path. Seems simple enough to me.
Bob Pns
Then why is China shooting them at planes from the Philippines?
Makoto Shimizu
I would suggest Japan Defense Forces to be more creative. They could prepare recorded messages or hire Chinese fluent speakers to send warm welcome messages to the Chinese crew of airplanes, welcoming them to Japan, inviting them to land and enjoy Japanese hospitality, and even grant asylum. They could be as Viktor Belenko, the Russian pilot who deserted. Viktor Ivanovich Belenko ,February 15, 1947 – September 24, 2023) was a Russian-born American aerospace engineer and Soviet pilot who defected in 1976 to the West while flying his MiG-25 "Foxbat" jet interceptor and landed in Hakodate, Japan. George H. W. Bush, the Director of Central Intelligence at the time, called the opportunity to examine the plane up close an "intelligence bonanza" for the West. Belenko later became a U.S. aerospace engineer
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Moonraker
It gets increasingly absurd to describe China's rise as peaceful, despite the best efforts of the apologists' whataboutery.
quercetum
Japan’s defense ministry describes this as the first known incursion by China’s military into its territorial airspace.
Japan is indeed cool headed and will not let this escalate.
Some dude
I wonder if this is China indirectly thumbing its nose at the USA?
China's obviously not going to fly thousands of miles to intentionally violate US airspace, and less so given the US' military power. But by doing so to a known US ally (which happens to be relatively nearby), maybe they're starting a game of "ring the bell and run away" like kids who want to see how far they can push the adults.
Bob Kunihiro
Those antagonistic Chinese at it again with Japan and the Philippines. The stupid Chinese are just itching for something to happen
quercetum
A first known entry of a military aircraft into Japan’s territorial airspace with just another “urging” in response is calm on the one hand but reveals a delineation of Japan’s border is what the Morning Show ハットリシンイチ panelists are saying.
WoodyLee
This wont be the last of course, China is testing Japan so the next time this happens Japan should do the same.
Kaowaiinekochanknaw
This reminds me of the US spy plane EP-3 that collided with a Chinese fighter jet close to their shore in 2001 and had to crash land in China. They crew tried to fry all of the electronics and burn intel as much as they could before crash landing but was an intelligence bonanza for the Chinese when they took control of the plane on the tarmac.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-ep3-spy-plane-collision-mistakes-chinese-intel-coup-2023-3?op=1
WiseOneIn Kansai
So China shouldn't be complaining when ships from other countries sail through the Taiwan Strait?
The Strait is international waters!!
Only from 2018, without any international agreement, China has been saying it isn't.
quercetum
They say if you can’t beat them join them. Control of the air first says China.
Bellflower
Of course it's all hysterical hype.
And the warmongers and anti-communists who never met a war they didn't love are beating their chests (when they're not bowing to the US).
"Japan, staunchly pacifist for decades, has ramped up defense spending with U.S. encouragement"
Why is the Japanese media, especially NHK, hyping a minor 2 minute alleged airspace violation on the very edge of Japan airspace surrounding islands a good distance from the mainland? NHK's editorial line is the same as the LDP. Kishida recently, as Japan Today reported, urged the LDP to make revising the constitution a top priority. Hence the non-stop anti-China hysteria in the news.
NHK gave this airspace story the top spot in the evening news above Typhoon 10. Neither NHK nor the LDP militarists care in the least about the welfare of the people in Japan. They care only about their selfish, foolish geo-political scheming.
BgirlKai
Thank you China! Thank you for helping the LDP sell the defense build to the Japanese people. Thank you!
mountainpear
@deanzaZZR There is no dispute in this area! Please have a look at a map before commenting!
deanzaZZR
The source is Taiwan Plus News, pro ROC/Taiwan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS2EmGOz2pQ
ning1983
That’s a proper response to the brief incursion of China's Zhejiang territorial waters by a Japanese warship in July this year. People brainwashed by the media have already forgotten about that, haven't you ,or chose to ignore it.
Hito Bito
What are the inverted quotes for? China either VIOLATED Japan's sovereign airspace, or they did not.
(And they did) Just like they do everyone else's airspace and EEZ. China's disregard for the Rule of Law is all Asia's, and indeed, the entire World's, problem. China drives the World into Opposition. They need to be taught a lesson, like every bloated schoolyard bully does.
quercetum
That's rigth Japan. You've gotta be able to take it if you dish it.
Moonraker
A lot of bizarre CCP support today. Hmmm. Including the inevitable whataboutery. It seems to be the peak of Chinese argumentation. They seem to believe it is a legitimate line.
uaintseeme
China can enter Japanese airspace and commit all sorts of "violations" because it knows Japan is notorious for just "warning and "condemning"; basically, they're gonna keep letting it slide over and over and over again.
owzer
China: Flies into Japan airspace
Japan: China-niichan, what are you doing?
quercetum
What aboutism is not an acceptable argument. The underlying principle of the CCP, imo, is reciprocity. They will mirror what you do. Go into Zhejiang territorial waters and flying into Japan's airspace seem to be justifiable. Ban the export of your chips and they will ban the import of your fish.
But the IAEA says?!... If you want to sell your fish, sell your chips. I would wager that is how the negotiations would start.
Japan understands this. They are just caught between two superpowers or two bullies.
Mr Kipling
If you want a country to spend billions on weapons it does not need and change it's constitution from peace to war to please it's master, you first need to create a boogeyman.
The Us will be "testing" Chinese airspace on a regular basis. Its all part of the game. Nothing to see here, move on.
rivx
clearly it’s a violation and those CCP terrorist know that there is no penalty for it. Japan will just lodge complains and downside to it. How about forcing it to land capture the pilot and check out what data they have collected on that spy mission
Nibek32
China victimize themselves over this and probably just tell their people that the Japanese military is bullying them in China airspace. Lying and propaganda is so easy when you have no freedom of press and complete censorship over media.
WA4TKG
Broadcaster NHK reported that no weapons, such as flare guns, were used as an alert.
Oh, you mean like the chinese did last week
Ricky Kaminski13
Wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall and see how these diplomatic ‘dressing downs’ take place? Does the diplomat come in all smiles and then gets a stern talking too. Do they come as a team?
They must all know it’s kabuki too, all while trying to find some sort of utility in their strained conversations. Must be fascinating. Is there some sort of bargaining and compromise on the table? How many layers of nuance are in their words? Is there a code?? Do these conversations ever get released?
Wonder if there was a ‘ so sorry for the incursion’ involved, our pilots thought they were in their legal zone sort of backtracking and denial, or do they just flat up deny it? All seems like a big game of cat and mouse. Hopefully it just stays a game.
Peter14
CCP looking to cause more trouble in the region. Typical of the government of PRC.
Hello Kitty 321
All this fuss over a mere 2 minutes.
JJE
Tokyo itself effectively authorized this by staging that provocation with a navy ship into Chinese waters a few months ago.
Keep in mind, this was an innocent 2 minute thing versus Tokyo's 30 minute foray to surveil a live fire drill, in which the vessel intentionally sped up and ignored radio warnings.
Tokyo playing the victim card (again) is a total cop out.
konjo4u
China issues so many different versions of maps, their own military does not even keep it straight.
WiseOneIn Kansai
You did it to us, so we will do it to you. My was for only 2 minutes but yours was 30 minutes!!
Yes, that a great child-like analysis!!
The world knows what China is doing, if it's not Japanese airspace, it's the territorial waters of the Philippines or off the coast of Alaska in the Bering Sea.
The image of China in the world is created by it's own behavior!
Anonymous
A Harris-Walz administration will know how to handle this. Walz is an old China hand having been there over 30 times since the late ‘80s.
owzer
Yes. They would probably encourage China.
quercetum
That's why every country needs to have its own strong military. Japan's mindset of depending on the U.S. is to blame. Japan is not going to do anything about the Senkaku's and future incursions. They are just passively waiting on the U.S. to make a move. If the U.S. keeps quiet, what is Japan going to do?
quercetum
It's actually simple. If you think it is okay to then if must be okay for us as well. It is reciprocity and the Silver Rule of Confucius: do not do unto others what you would not like others to do unto you. The Golden rule half a millenium later is: do unto others what you would like others to do unto you.
So Japan, don't go into Chinese territory and cry about it when they fly into yours. Don't ban the sale of chips for political reasons and they won't ban your fish for political reasons. Treat others the same way you'd like to be treated. Nothing like a good ol fashion preaching from the CPC.
nik
Americans need to leave the territory of Japan and the nearest islands of China and Russia. And after that, the Pacific space will be quiet and calm.
theFu
rivx is correct, but ....
Next time, force the plane down, hold the crew for 3 days before allowing any diplomats access, hold the crew until a "letter of two sorries" from the CCP is formally provided, and take the aircraft apart. Never return the aircraft. You know, like the CCP did in 2001.
Japan shouldn't expect any other country to patrol it's different types of borders. Nobody wants the US to be a cop in Japan. Not the Japanese and definitely not the US.
kaimycahl
China is a country that is trouble, its a lost country being led by a rabid panda who has lost his mind and will soon be thrown out by his own people in a matter of time. The people are getting fed up and XI who is more corrupt than most in the CCP will be thrown out in order for the CCP to remain in power.
Bob Pns
Yeah, your average CCP shill comment boils down to “China is peaceful but if we did something aggressive it’s because you deserve it”
TaiwanIsNotChina
You don't seem to be in a position to make that happen.
TaiwanIsNotChina
I agree. He will be well familiar with how the disgusting CCP operates and has gotten worse.
deanzaZZR
I curious, when you use the word 'our' are you using it because you are a Japanese citizen or because you are USA military?
Sh1mon M4sada
Just China interfering in Japan's coming election of new LDP leader. They want a puppet they can play with...who could that be I wonder?
HooKnows
Does it bother you that the world is becoming increasingly united and steadfast against the belligerent shenanigans of China?
Alan Bogglesworth
Next time , shoot it down.