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Even of the pandemic, China has not halted or slowed down its military buildup and large ship building projects. Instead of being bullied into doing what is in China's best interests because it has a navy three or four times the size or even larger, Japan needs to be autonomous and be able to ensure it will make decisions in its own best interests.

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About the Japanese Govt. By doing business with China, they encourage corporations to make profits and then use tax dollars to build up their protection against an attack by China. It seems to me that the Japanese approach toward China is an economic one. For all times, if they need two at the station, then they need to buy three. Otherwise it would be when someone hits when one heads in for repairs. To account for continuing repairs and updates, you need to rotate 3 ships.

Remember prior to the ascension of Xi Jinping to the positions of President of the PRC, General Secretary of the CCP and Chairman of the Central Military Commission, it appeared that just as many in the west expected China was moving albeit slowly towards a more open and democratic society. You might recall that in the last two years of Hu Jintao's administration there was a dead serious discussion in the National People's Congress of permitting private land ownership. There were even small scale, town level, competitive elections for town leadership positions. At that point, circa 2010 there was no real reason to fear China as we do now and it looked like they were gradually moving towards a more relaxed and open society. Xi Jinping reversed all of that and has turned out to be far more aggressive than anyone imagined. I suspect many in the CCP regret his rise now, though at the time he was elected as General Secretary he was plucked from obscurity (hardly anyone knew who he was until you mentioned he was the husband of singer Peng Liyuan. Everyone knew her. He was thought to be the least offensive candidate compared to others who had sworn enemies within the CCP. I'm certain now that many in the party regret that choice as he has gone on to anger many both inside and outside China.

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About the Japanese Govt. By doing business with China, they encourage corporations to make profits and then use tax dollars to build up their protection against an attack by China. It seems to me that the Japanese approach toward China is an economic one. For all times, if they need two at the station, then they need to buy three. Otherwise it would be when someone hits when one heads in for repairs. To account for continuing repairs and updates, you need to rotate 3 ships.

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If Japan's navy is four to five times bigger than China's, we need to build more ships?

No, China's navy is three to four times bigger than Japan's navy. That is why Japan needs more ships.

You had it backwards.

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China was able to build up their Military mostly thanks to trading with the U.S. and Japan so you have those 2 countries to thank for the Military that China has today.

Well they are not China's only trading partners. And lets not forget, you need two things to grow, money from investments and raw resources to build with. China gets most of It's resources from Australia and Brazil so add them plus European investment to the list of those responsible. Like I mentioned previously, Japan alone is not to blame, there are many to apportion blame to for investing in China for the "quick buck" returns.

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"So we can take it that you will donate all your savings towards Japan,s defense.."

Yes, and my life if need be to protect my country.

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From the Chinese perspective you have to understand they know full well their purchases of US bonds helps the US defend Taiwan and China. 

I meant to say "helps defend Taiwan and Japan". Apologies for the gaff.

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China was able to build up their Military mostly thanks to trading with the U.S. and Japan so you have those 2 countries to thank for the Military that China has today.

That cuts both ways. Japan and China both are big buyers of US debt. Both nations use the excess cash earned from their trade surpluses with the US to buy up US Treasury bonds. This soaks up those excess dollars so the value of the dollar stays high, that of the Yen and Yuan remains low and thus the terms of trade remain favorable to Japan and China. But the ability of the US to run budget deficits year after year knowing there are willing buyers in Japan and China for their debt instruments has allowed the US to finance a vast military, possibly much larger than the nation would be willing to pay for if the nation had to run balanced budgets year after year. From the Chinese perspective you have to understand they know full well their purchases of US bonds helps the US defend Taiwan and China. They hate doing it but it is an economic necessity for their trade dependent economy.

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If Japan's navy is four to five times bigger than China's, we need to build more ships? Don't they just have one aircraft carrier while we have the united states navy and even the uk aircraft carrier here? Is this the military industrial complex, japanese version?

Japan's JMSDF is much smaller than the PLAN. China will have four aircraft carriers shortly as they are building two big deck CATOBAR nuclear powered carriers at a new yard in Shanghai. J-20 fighters have been seen flying with a catapult launch bar on the nose landing gear just like USN and French carrier based aircraft have so their air wings will soon have that aircraft in their inventory. They also have a big E-2 copy being tested. If you are just counting hulls the PLAN has more ships than the US Navy. There is a qualitative difference of course but China is closing that gap with its newest classes of ships. Ten or fifteen years ago the JMSDF could have handled the PLAN but not now. Ship for ship and sailor for sailor the JMSDF is vastly better than the PLAN, I have seen both navies up close and personal, but numbers matter and take it from someone married to a Chinese woman and their family, the Chinese like to fight. Sharp elbows and hot tempers. Even the USN will have a tough time operating close to China, meaning close enough to defend Okinawa or Taiwan for example.

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If Japan's navy is four to five times bigger than China's, we need to build more ships? Don't they just have one aircraft carrier while we have the united states navy and even the uk aircraft carrier here? Is this the military industrial complex, japanese version?

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Ships cost more in maintenance eventually.

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Peter14,

China was able to build up their Military mostly thanks to trading with the U.S. and Japan so you have those 2 countries to thank for the Military that China has today.

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The Japanese Govt. allows companies to make profits by doing business with China

Japan is not alone. Most major economies have invested heavily in China for the profits. All are equally responsible. Plenty of blame to go around.

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If war breaks out between the US and North Korea, the Japanese will be the first to know.

Trump says that is all fixed now. The US and North Korea are buddies now. Trump would never lie about that would he. He has the pictures with Kim and letters from Kim to prove it.

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Fighto!

If Japan considers China a rogue Commie state then why do they have such strong economic ties with them? Japan is one of the main reasons that China became an economic power and has been able to strengthen their military to what it is today. The Japanese Govt. allows companies to make profits by doing business with China and then they use Tax money to build up their defense against an attack by China. It seems to me that the Japanese Policy towards China is that they are an Economic Ally and a Military Enemy at the same time and that is a strange policy indeed.

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If war breaks out between the US and North Korea, the Japanese will be the first to know.

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sorry J taxpayer, we ask for your understanding."

"we Japanese shall defend our islands, whatever the cost may be."

So we can take it that you will donate all your savings towards Japan,s defense...good to know,lol.

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Peter14

Thanks for taking the time to give us the numbers of Chinese airforce and navy. Helps to see, and understand Japan's situation if it ever goes sour between Japan and China.

I hope and expect the best, but we should prepare for the worse!

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Why we need “US protection”? They haven’t won a war since WW2, which actually, probably was done by Russia.

USSR wouldn't have survived Germany's blitzkrieg without the US Lend-Lease keeping them afloat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

(Of course it's to the US' benefit too to keep the USSR front alive)

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It is cheaper to be prepared to fight than to accept defeat without a fight.

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Japan need more ships, here is why:-

China’s fleet breakdown

Aircraft carriers – 2

Cruisers – 1

Destroyers – 32

Frigates – 49

Corvettes – 37

Amphibious transport dock – 37

Medium landing ships – 21

Diesel attack submarines – 46

Nuclear attack submarines – 6

Ballistic missile submarines – 4

Coastal patrol (missile) – 86

On top of having the largest naval fleet in the world, the combined aviation presence of the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) and PLAN aviation constitutes the third-largest aviation force in the world and the largest in the region.

https://www.naval-technology.com/features/china-boasts-worlds-largest-navy-us-dod-report/

Japans fleet breakdown Combat vessels in service.

Submarines (20 in Service)

Multi-purpose operation destroyers - DDH (2 in Service)

Helicopter destroyers - DDH (2 in Service)

Destroyers - DDG/DD (37 in Service)

Frigate Multi-Purpose/Mine - FFM (0 in Service) 1 due in service 2021

Destroyer escorts - DE (6 in Service)

Mine countermeasure vessels (21 in Service)

Patrol vessels (6 in Service)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Japan_Maritime_Self-Defense_Force_ships

The number of combat capable ships in China's navy is currently 263

The number of Combat capable ships in Japan's navy is currently 73 plus 21 mine countermeasure ships.

China has 3.6 combat ships, many of them are new and modern, for every 1 Japanese ship. That number will pass 4 to 1 in a couple of years at the current rate of ship building in China. Where will it end? Just how big do they intend on making the Chinese Navy? I am worried and I am much further away from China than Japan is.

And China wants the Senkaku's. At this rate they will soon take them. They have the ships to muscle Japan out of the area already. Thank God the US navy is in Okinawa deterring China from taking them right now.

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So in this pandemic they use the people taxes to build more warships but at the same time they are lacking of nurses,doctors and bed to fight the Covid,oh right we have the Go To Travel and Eat things that will make all this very illogic.

China has not stopped or slowed down its military buildup and massive ship building programs due to the pandemic. Japan wants to stay free and be able to ensure it can make choices in its own best interests rather than to be bullied into doing what is in China's best interests because it has a navy three or four times the size or even bigger.

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So in this pandemic they use the people taxes to build more warships but at the same time they are lacking of nurses,doctors and bed to fight the Covid,oh right we have the Go To Travel and Eat things that will make all this very illogic.

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If they need two on station at all times then they need to buy three. Otherwise when one goes in for maintenance that will be when someone strikes. You need to rotate 3 ships to account for ongoing maintenance and upgrades.

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Wanna be left alone Japan?

Here is all you need.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91YDDwbXTK0

No need to spend on defense. Put your enemies on the offense.

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The distinction is key in Japan, whose pacifist post-war constitution strictly limits the country's military to self-defense, leaving it heavily dependent on the United States for security.

japan is one of the best equipped armies in the world. Why we need “US protection”? They haven’t won a war since WW2, which actually, probably was done by Russia.

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Good news, Japans Defense against her enemies will be beefed up. But a land Defense system would have been superior. What price the safety and security of 126 million people from rogue Commie states?

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"Other reports the " initial" estimate s for the ships only is over $5 billion , not including 30 years worth of maintenance and other costs. Christmas coming early for the defense contractors ....sorry J taxpayer, we ask for your understanding."

"we Japanese shall defend our islands, whatever the cost may be."

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Build more ships. We need them to defend Asia from China,.

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Great News! I think the names of the new ships should be: Senkaku and Takashima.

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The Aegis Ashore purchase was approved in 2017, at an estimated cost of $4.2 billion over three decades. It is not immediately clear what the cost of a deployed system on ships will be.

Other reports the " initial" estimate s for the ships only is over $5 billion , not including 30 years worth of maintenance and other costs. Christmas coming early for the defense contractors ....sorry J taxpayer, we ask for your understanding.

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And great tax payers money wasting continues...

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Two ships? The whole galaxy shivers from fear....lol

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