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I read this article, and more about this enduring mystery, further obscured with the sponsorship of the DPRK, and was instantly reminded of a couple of haunting portions of a poem by Edgar Allan Poe called Dream-Land :

By a route obscure and lonely,

Haunted by ill angels only, 

Where an Eidolon, named NIGHT,

On a black throne reigns upright, 

I have reached these lands but newly

From an ultimate dim Thule— 

From a wild weird clime that lieth, sublime, 

Out of SPACE—Out of TIME.

And

Never its mysteries are exposed

To the weak human eye unclosed;

So wills its King, who hath forbid

The uplifting of the fring’d lid;

And thus the sad Soul that here passes

Beholds it but through darkened glasses.

Why does NorK always seem to draw a reader further into Poe's writings?

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N Korea says abduction issue already resolved

There you have it. Every J prime minister tries to negotiate. NK ain't negotiating.

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Resolved?! Where are they all? Where are the bodies (if they’re dead)? There are still many more questions than answers.

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Bwa hahahaha…. DPRK is so funny with these bare-faced lies.

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"Let it go, it's been decades already, the new generation is not responsible"

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Abe used this fake issue to become PM the first time in a cynical political hack. Nothing has been accomplished by this matter being endlessly flogged by the NHK on orders from Abe. It is sad how the LDP have misled the parents and the nation as a whole on a political trick. The addictions occurred 50 years ago. And as always Japan has never really come to terms with the 500,000 Koreans who were abducted during the colonization of Korea to become slaves in Japan for Japanese companies.

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North Korea can put this issue to rest by accounting for the missing abductees. If they are all dead there would be records, ashes, etc. Such evidence would put the matter to rest.

North Korea did provide ashes before that proved to be not the person they were purported to be. Clearly they are playing games and Japan does not trust them. But then, what country does?

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Frickin’ NK, KMA! Get rid of your worthless you call your leader.

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Like a physic praying on families of the recently deceased for monetary gain, the way Japanese politicians continue this issues for political clout is abhorrent and vile. What a pathetic excuse of a leader. This issue was resolved in 2002.

The big name "Megumi" had her remains retuned too. They were analysed using a defunct technique, by a person who had no experience with this technique let alone on cremated remails. His results were "inconclusive". In 2004 when an official retraction was made by the university, the remains were unavailable for retesting. Something this important should have been treated as such. But you can see from the way they handled the remains the Japanese government really doesn't care about the victims or their families.

This is nothing but drumming up hate and anguish for political points. Truly disgusting.

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Looks like a North Korea has put this issue to rest. Japan needs to move on. Just get over it already.

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Skeptical:

Thanks for the Edgar Allan. I see your point!

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KiwikidToday  10:59 am JST

Like a physic praying on families of the recently deceased for monetary gain, the way Japanese politicians continue this issues for political clout is abhorrent and vile. What a pathetic excuse of a leader. This issue was resolved in 2002.

The big name "Megumi" had her remains retuned too. They were analysed using a defunct technique, by a person who had no experience with this technique let alone on cremated remails. His results were "inconclusive". In 2004 when an official retraction was made by the university, the remains were unavailable for retesting. Something this important should have been treated as such. But you can see from the way they handled the remains the Japanese government really doesn't care about the victims or their families.

This is nothing but drumming up hate and anguish for political points. Truly disgusting.

Heck if this issue was already resolved like that NK's stupidly lazy and insincere manner, with full of lies, there would be absolutely no issues left at all, which Japan is supposed to care about the current and the past of peninsula any longer.

Just to be clear, the opposition(Like DPJ, JCP) were even more enraged with tougher stance toward NK's attitude on this issue and had criticized severely LDP's approach trying to put this issue to rest in 2002.

It's not a political issue and if NK misjudges it, majority of Japanese really wish NK collapse completely, the sooner and the better, not to mention small NK community in Japan

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kennyGToday  12:43 pm JST

Just to be clear, the opposition(Like DPJ, JCP) 

Just to be clear, you know how useless, corrupt and incompetent the LDP are, and you can't plausibly deny allegations that morally bankrupt dynastic hacks like Abe have just been exploiting this issue for political capital, so you try to change the topic to the opposition any chance you get.

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"Resolved already. "Will hurt relations in they keep bringing it up. etc."

But Kishida WILL bring it up, because what else is he going to do? honestly tackle Covid-19 or Japan's other myriad of domestic issues? No... this is one of Japan's go-to tactics when leaders are facing an uphill battle to come up with ideas for things at home.

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Free the abducted Japanese!

Understanding this important issue is

Crucial for the relationship with North

Korea.

Yelding results could help Japan 

Overcoming stress for the families,

Ultimately bring peace.

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@LouisF, well said. Free the abducted Japanese.

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Blue Ribbon is not political props. It is the pledge to bring them back. All I said was, even if Japan has the opposition starts ruling the country, the issue would certainly remain even harder according to the official statements made by the opposition in 2002 and onward, except the one NK-influenced party which had been denying the abduction no matter what, used to be run by Korean-Japanese.

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OssanAmerica.....

North Korea can put this issue to rest by accounting for the missing abductees. If they are all dead there would be records, ashes, etc. Such evidence would put the matter to rest.

They did.... but nobody wants to hear that. Especially the government that KNEW its citizens had been taken and did NOTHING! This is the real scandal.

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kennyGToday  05:43 pm JST

All I said was, even if Japan has the opposition starts ruling the country...

Which we all know is not going to happen, so that is irrelevant and therefore off-topic.

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Simon FostonToday  06:06 pm JST

kennyGToday  05:43 pm JST

All I said was, even if Japan has the opposition starts ruling the country...

Which we all know is not going to happen, so that is irrelevant and therefore off-topic.

You seem always wanting to transform the topics to LDP vs The Opposition equation like Japanese politicians=LDP politicians. I am not interested in your hobby. I say it again that it is irrelevant whichever party rules the country wrt this issue.

If you feel lonely, try someone else in some other topics.

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Mr KiplingToday  06:03 pm JST

OssanAmerica.....

*North Korea can put this issue to rest by accounting for the missing abductees. If they are all dead there would be records, ashes, etc. Such evidence would put the matter to rest.*

They did.... but nobody wants to hear that. Especially the government that KNEW its citizens had been taken and did NOTHING! This is the real scandal.

Did they really? Have you ever read it? You just need to count the numbers to refuse their accountings.

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I'm sure the missing abductees are dead. There were some whose bodies were buried and the graveyard was washed away by flooding. I do doubt the cause of death but.... there are no more to come back.

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kennyGToday  06:31 pm JST

Simon FostonToday  06:06 pm JST

You seem always wanting to transform the topics to LDP vs The Opposition equation like Japanese politicians=LDP politicians.

I can't help how things might seem to you.

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If NK said it, it's gotta be true..............

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Simon FostonOct. 9  08:02 pm JST

kennyGToday  06:31 pm JST

Simon FostonToday  06:06 pm JST

*You seem always wanting to transform the topics to LDP vs The Opposition equation like Japanese politicians=LDP politicians.*

I can't help how things might seem to you.

Try someone else in some other topics, whichever ones as you seem always allowed to go off the topic.

I am talking about this issue which is horrible crime against humanity.

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Until the very moment Kim Jong-il officially admitted the abduction in 2002, half of Japan had been just like this comment board.

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kennyGToday  03:33 am JST

I am talking about this issue which is horrible crime against humanity.

It can't be all that horrible because the Japanese government did nothing about it until the late 90s.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/06/11/national/japan-north-korean-abduction-issue/ :

"Still, the [Japanese] government did little, saying it had no way to confirm the cases, but also not wanting to antagonize North Korea. It was also true that senior LDP politicians and Foreign Ministry bureaucrats had long relied on the Japan Socialist Party, which had deep connections with Koreans in Japan loyal to North Korea, to help maintain an unofficial diplomatic back channel to North Korea.

Another reason for the lack of action was the death of North Korea’s founder, Kim Il Sung, in 1994, about a year after North Korea fired its first medium-range missile, the Nodong I. With talk of war with North Korea growing in 1994, the families and their supporters were told now was not the time to discuss the abduction issue."

kennyGToday  03:40 am JST

Until the very moment Kim Jong-il officially admitted the abduction in 2002, half of Japan had been just like this comment board.

The government knew or suspected what was going on in the 80s.

"On March 26, 1988, Seiroku Kajiyama, a Liberal Democratic Party heavyweight who was then the home affairs minister, told the Diet following an investigation there was now sufficient reason to believe the couples mentioned in the 1980 Sankei article may have been kidnapped by North Korea."

Why is the issue so important now when it hardly seemed to matter for twenty years?

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Mr KiplingOct. 9  07:53 pm JST

I'm sure the missing abductees are dead.

I think so too and I suspect politicians like Shinzo Abe who have been milking the issue for support and votes do as well.

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Mr KiplingOct. 9  06:03 pm JST

OssanAmerica.....

*North Korea can put this issue to rest by accounting for the missing abductees. If they are all dead there would be records, ashes, etc. Such evidence would put the matter to rest.*

They did.... but nobody wants to hear that. Especially the government that KNEW its citizens had been taken and did NOTHING! This is the real scandal.

No they didn't. They returned ashes of one of the abductees which turned out to be the wrong person on DNA analysis.

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