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No-confidence motion against Abe cabinet voted down in lower house

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it's ungraceful

Shouldn't that be disgraceful? We're not talking about how light on his feet Abe is.

Moderator: Yes, that has been corrected.

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The motion, submitted earlier in the day, condemned the cabinet for acting "irresponsibly and extremely dishonestly over issues that directly affect people's lives," such as the pension report and the planned consumption tax hike in October.

They're not wrong, but oh dear what a total waste of time. These no-confidence motions never, ever get passed. Opposition politicians really need to find something more worthwhile to do.

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Is the purpose of govt (executive cabinet) to politicize and bury facts they don't like? Why isn't the cabinet just the most senior civil servants in each dept? If they do bad work, the diet can fire them. Not a swipe at parliamentary govt, presidential govt also politicizes facts...and calls them fake news. Why hasnt anyone done a council-manager form of govt at subnational (state, province, prefecture) or national level - it's only at local level? Many extoll it for its professionalism, getting things done, and remaining democratically accountable to elected legislature.

History:

Cabinet was born out of the king's privy council and once answered only to him. Later, they could be held to account by parliament and soon could be removed even by parliament. Still later, the prime minister was born from the king leaving governing affairs to the pm and cabinet. In the states and most countries with a presidential system, this froze at semi-accountability - only the president (king) could fire. Could we not try to improve?

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Oh and the managers/administrators and their deputies in a council-mamager system cannot be partisan. They are also held to account that if they try to become political/biased, their professional org can suspend or remove them, effectively making them unemployable.

https://icma.org/documents/council-manager-form-government-what-how-it-works-and-benefits-your-community-brochure

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but oh dear what a total waste of time. These no-confidence motions never, ever get passed. Opposition politicians really need to find something more worthwhile to do.

Bu ha ha ha see?  I told you.

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Agree with other posters. Complete waste of time by these tiny and unimportant "parties". The Diet will continue to allow the Abe Cabinet to rule. Wise move. Because Abe Cabinet is doing a tremendous job.

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showchinmonoToday  09:18 pm JST

I told you.

You told me nothing I didn't know already. I have never expressed much confidence in the opposition parties but as useless as they are I still think the LDP are far, far worse. LDP supporters online have failed at every opportunity to convince me otherwise. Especially when they come up with 1984 Ministry of Truth stuff like this:

Ganbare Japan!Today  10:01 pm JST

Agree with other posters. Complete waste of time by these tiny and unimportant "parties". The Diet will continue to allow the Abe Cabinet to rule. Wise move. Because Abe Cabinet is doing a tremendous job.

I would ask if you had anything to substantiate that comment but I know what the answer would be. If there was one.

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You told me nothing I didn't know already. I have never expressed much confidence in the opposition parties but as useless as they are I still think the LDP are far, far worse. LDP supporters online have failed at every opportunity to convince me otherwise. Especially when they come up with 1984 Ministry of Truth stuff like this:

When will Anti-LDP like yourself present convincing story that any other parties are far far better than LDP after

this kind of ridiculous time-wasting stunt?

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 would ask if you had anything to substantiate that comment but I know what the answer would be. If there was one.

Well since you asked. Economy ticking along very nicely. Securing the Tokyo Olympics, and the 10 Million tourists coming for it. Lowest unemployment in decades. Outstanding jobs creation. Record all time tourist boom (aiming for ~40Million a year by 2020). Leader and driving force of the New TPP. Record Farm production and exports. Record Company profits in 3 decades. Stability in leadership, when previously it was unstable under the non LDP minor parties. Strengthening of Japan Military Forces. PM Abe playing a leading role in International Summits. Japan being as close to the USA in its history.

The list just goes on and on and on!

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Ganbare Japan!Today  12:00 am JST

Well since you asked. Economy ticking along very nicely.

Highly debatable.

Securing the Tokyo Olympics, and the 10 Million tourists coming for it.

Mired in corruption scandals and way over budget. 10 million tourists aren't going to be good for much long-term.

Lowest unemployment in decades. Outstanding jobs creation.

That's more to do with demographics than government policy and there are lots of people on low-paid temporary contracts.

Record all time tourist boom (aiming for ~40Million a year by 2020).

What's the government done to contribute to that

Leader and driving force of the New TPP. Record Farm production and exports. Record Company profits in 3 decades.

Record company profits are no good if the companies don't hire more full-time workers on better salaries.

Stability in leadership, when previously it was unstable under the non LDP minor parties.

Mediocre, stable leadership or mediocre, unstable leadership. Tough choice.

Strengthening of Japan Military Forces. PM Abe playing a leading role in International Summits. Japan being as close to the USA in its history.

Sorry, don't care.

The list just goes on and on and on!

No, that's actually about as far as it usually gets.

showchinmonoJune 25  11:46 pm JST

When will Anti-LDP like yourself present convincing story that any other parties are far far better than LDP after

Go to Google and enter "ldp scandal" . Anyway, when have I ever expressed the view that other parties are better? On a rating of 1 to 10 I'd give them a 1. I'd give the LDP about 20 points less than that.

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Go to Google and enter "ldp scandal" . Anyway, when have I ever expressed the view that other parties are better? On a rating of 1 to 10 I'd give them a 1. I'd give the LDP about 20 points less than that.

I did and found nothing special I didn't know. So it's scandal that matters to you. Lol.

Also, you clearly mentioned the other parties are better than LDP the other day with some exceptions and mentioned again today by the comparative "LDP is far, far, worse"

June 7  11:55 am JSTPosted in: Abe becomes 3rd equal longest-serving PM with 2,720 days in office  See in context

Well, I think any party would be better than the LDP except LDP clones like the DPP, and that any other party leader could do a better job.

On a rating of 1 to 10, you have 1 as the lowest and no such rating like -20. Isn't this the same as saying there are no parties you can vote for. no wonder "scandal" matters to you

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Speaking of scandal, is CDPJ clean? There are some scandals around a few persons , media never reports.

One of them has a criminal record. It is not " innocent until convicted guilty".

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showchinmonoToday  03:33 am JST

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Name another party that has presided over decades of mounting deficits due to reckless pork barrel spending as an election tactic, allowed the development of an urban-rural vote value disparity that largely benefits itself, turned the Diet through cronyism and nepotism into a quasi-peerage filled with 3rd or 4th generation "professional" politicians, botched foreign policy to help create an extremely unstable international situation, manipulated the media to fill it with craven sycophants like Katsuo Momii and conspicuously failed to realise its own flagship policies despite having no effective opposition.

To his credit Ganbare Japan! at least mounted a defence of the LDP's record and maintains a respectful attitude towards other posters. All you seem to have is "what about?" arguments like this:

showchinmonoToday  03:44 am JST

Speaking of scandal, is CDPJ clean?

All that shows is that you can't defend the LDP.

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Simon FostonToday  06:44 am JST

showchinmonoToday  03:33 am JST

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Name another party that has presided over decades of mounting deficits due to reckless pork barrel spending as an election tactic, allowed the development of an urban-rural vote value disparity that largely benefits itself, turned the Diet through cronyism and nepotism into a quasi-peerage filled with 3rd or 4th generation "professional" politicians, botched foreign policy to help create an extremely unstable international situation, manipulated the media to fill it with craven sycophants like Katsuo Momii and conspicuously failed to realise its own flagship policies despite having no effective opposition.

To his credit Ganbare Japan! at least mounted a defence of the LDP's record and maintains a respectful attitude towards other posters. All you seem to have is "what about?" arguments like this:

showchinmonoToday  03:44 am JST

Speaking of scandal, is CDPJ clean?

All that shows is that you can't defend the LDP.

Name which other parties? Do you mean some from only 2,5 years around early90’s? or DPJ from only 3.2years ended in 2012Jan out of 75 years of history after war ended? Lol.  

Or do you want me to go through DPJ ruling by 2nd generation professional politician like Hato-pee and show how nightmare it was?

Oh, as for reckless pork barrel spending, DPJ was the one renewing worst record after WW2 by newly issuing more debt than entire tax revenue, ie., worst primary balance.

You answer first before trying to dodge my question or pretending to forget what you mentioned before. Lol.

Try convince me other parties far better than LDP for maintaining respectful attitudes toward other posters

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Or you can refer to CDPJ's manifest which has just came out if you like where it again loudly promising like abolishing both nuclear and coal power plants.  

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showchinmonoToday  09:36 am JST

Name which other parties?

In other words, you can't. No other party has such a long record of incompetence, corruption and cronyism as the LDP.

Or do you want me to go through DPJ...

You do, obviously. "What about...?" arguments seem to be all you've got.

Try convince me other parties far better

I've stated my views on other parties in other comments. I'll take your lack of positive things to say about the LDP and continual "what about the opposition" stuff as a tacit acknowledgement that the LDP are just as useless as virtually everyone here says they are.

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 In other words, you can't. No other party has such a long record of incompetence, corruption and cronyism as the LDP.

 

Who can? You still don’t get it do you? Since War ended, there were only 6years terms in total  Non-LDP ruled. How could it be long records of what so ever? That’s why I suggested if I had better go through nightmare of DPJ? Besides, except CPJ, they split, broke down, reunited, changed names too often. Its called herd of cattle

 

So positive things LDP has done to Japan? Other than the ones Gambare already listed, how far back could I go? Starting with something like concluding peace treaties with neighbor countries? Lol.

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showchinmonoToday  10:17 am JST

That’s why I suggested if I had better go through nightmare of DPJ?

You know why you got "nightmare of DPJ?" Three particularly terrible years of revolving door LDP administrations, two of those courtesy of Abe and Aso who are now, amazingly back in power as some kind of reward for their staggering uselessness.

Besides, except CPJ, they split, broke down, reunited, changed names too often. Its called herd of cattle

No mention of all the LDP politicians who have left the party, joined other ones and then re-joined?

So positive things LDP has done to Japan? Other than the ones Gambare already listed, how far back could I go? Starting with something like concluding peace treaties with neighbor countries? 

You might as well give up if that's all you can think of.

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You know why you got "nightmare of DPJ?" Three particularly terrible years of revolving door LDP administrations, two of those courtesy of Abe and Aso who are now, amazingly back in power as some kind of reward for their staggering uselessness.

Bu ha ha At least, DPJ did not have to imitate not only 3 particularly terrible years of but also revolving door administrations.

No mention of all the LDP politicians who have left the party, joined other ones and then re-joined?

Not necessary. unlike other herd of cattle, LDP itself, the parent body did not change

You might as well give up if that's all you can think of.

No that's not all. What about miraculous recovery from "the devastation" in just 15 years up to Tokyo Olympic, building world No2 economy up until recently, longest life in the world, the most peaceful nation (well, I might want to reserve for this a bit lately though) , etc, etc, Shall we go on or what?

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showchinmonoToday  11:46 am JST

No that's not all. What about miraculous recovery from "the devastation" in just 15 years up to Tokyo Olympic, building world No2 economy up until recently, longest life in the world, the most peaceful nation...

That was all ages ago and I'm not sure how much credit the LDP deserve for any of it. Not got anything more recent?

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Who or what do you credit for all of it then? DPJ? SPJ? CPJ? or I see USA?

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showchinmonoToday  12:29 pm JST

Who or what do you credit for all of it then? DPJ? SPJ? CPJ?

I don't credit anyone for all of it. Especially not a cabal of ex-racketeers and war criminals turned CIA stooges.

or I see USA?

Interesting you mention the USA, given that the CIA gave millions of dollars to the LDP and worked on undermining the Japan Socialist Party.

Anyway, none of this can detract from the simple fact that as pointless as it was to submit the no-confidence motion, given that it would never pass the Diet, the opposition's criticisms are correct. However I wish one party could drop the futile gestures, coalesce around a platform of credible, practical policies and a smart, charismatic leader, and field enough candidates to give the LDP a proper fight. Just supposing such a party did ever develop, maybe a bit like New Labour in the UK in the 1990s (unlikely, I know), could the LDP beat it?

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However I wish one party could drop the futile gestures, coalesce around a platform of credible, practical policies and a smart, charismatic leader, and field enough candidates to give the LDP a proper fight. 

I agree. you believe it or not. LOL.

We don't need herd of cattle who should all resign at once

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showchinmonoToday  02:30 pm JST

However I wish one party could drop the futile gestures, coalesce around a platform of credible, practical policies and a smart, charismatic leader, and field enough candidates to give the LDP a proper fight. 

I agree. you believe it or not. LOL.

I do believe it. It would be good for the LDP to have a serious challenge. They might shake themselves up a bit and become a better party. Or they might stay as they are and lose to a better party. Good result either way.

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Simon FostonToday  04:28 pm JST

showchinmonoToday  02:30 pm JST

However I wish one party could drop the futile gestures, coalesce around a platform of credible, practical policies and a smart, charismatic leader, and field enough candidates to give the LDP a proper fight. 

I agree. you believe it or not. LOL.

I do believe it. It would be good for the LDP to have a serious challenge. They might shake themselves up a bit and become a better party. Or they might stay as they are and lose to a better party. Good result either way.

LOL Surprise. We agreed. Cheers!

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