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that's not going to happen

5 ( +12 / -7 )

Proud Americans! Get angry to them and say "We will leave Okinawa tomorrow."

-9 ( +7 / -16 )

Still statistically safer than the conventional helicopters they replaced that was not complained about nearly as much.

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Onaga should be PM of Japan. No other Japanese politician seems to be able to say NO to either Tokyo and/or Washington.

-3 ( +12 / -15 )

Interesting. All the the signs say "We will not give up". Says nothing about Osprey or crashes or anything. Must be a generic sign they use whenever they want to demonstrate about something.

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The U.S. Marine Corps said Wednesday it will continue flying Ospreys in Japan as it judged them to be safe.

Must be some new or unusual use of the word "safe" that I'm not familiar with:

OSPREY ACCIDENTS

June 1991 Osprey bounced and caught fire, injuring two.

July 1992 Engine failure caused Osprey to drop into the Potomac killing all seven on board

April 2000 Osprey stalled in landing, killing all 19 on board.

December 2000 Osprey crashed near Jacksonville, killing all four aboard.

April 2010 Osprey crashes in Afghanistan, killing three US service members, one civilian and injuring 16 people.

April 2012 Osprey crashes in Morocco killing two marines and seriously injuring two others.

June 2012 Osprey crashes At Eglin USAF base in injuring all five aboard

October 2014 Osprey crashed shortly after takeoff from US Makin in Middle East, killing one US marine.

December 2016 Osprey crashes off Camp Schwab in Okinawa, injuring two. The aircraft apparently just broke apart.

January 2017 Osprey crashes in Yemen, injuring two US troops.

August 2017 Osprey crashes on the east coast of Australia, killing three.

There have been several other crashes that luckily didn't actually kill or injure:

March 2006 Maine Corps Air Station New River NC

July 2006 U.K.

December 2006 New River.

March 2007 Osprey had a hydraulic leak that led to an engine-compartment fire before takeoff on 29 March 2007.

November 2007 Osprey caught on fire during a training mission and was forced to make an emergency landing at Camp Lejeune.

2009 Osprey suffered a Class A mishap with more than a $1 million in damage. No details were released.

June 2014 Osprey encountered a lightning strike, flying over a city in Miyazaki prefecture, causing severe damage to the aircraft.

December 2016 On 13 December 2016 when a MV-22 crash-landed, a second MV-22 reportedly did a belly landing at Futenma.

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Onaga should be PM of Japan. No other Japanese politician seems to be able to say NO to either Tokyo and/or Washington.

How can one be prime minister of Japan and say NO to Tokyo? Please fill me in.

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DaDude,

I bow my head in shame, withhold my foul breath from your face, etc., etc.

Let's rephrase it more exactly. "No other Japanese governor of a prefecture other than Tokyo seems to be able to say NO to either Tokyo or Washington."

With the only exception of Takahashi Harumi, governor of Hokkaido, who requested NO OSPREYS IN HOKKAIDO and whose request was granted.

Onaga is ignored while Takahashi is listened to.

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Bertie, I can play your game too, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747_hull_losses Maybe we should ban all of them from flying since thousands of more fatalities have occurred with that plane, including JAL 123 here in Japan which was the worst accident in aviation history. The fact of the matter is this. Whether the plane is safe or not is irrelevant to these people, their fears are not rational or factually based, they are being fed by the media and politicians using them as an excuse to push an agenda just as you are. Do you honestly think the US Military would intentionally force its service members to fly in unsafe vehicles? That is a ludicrous idea. This plane is simply a scapegoat for a larger political issue with Okinawa. Common sense and rationality are in short supply in the world as a whole these days. This is just another example.

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Again, I don't know what it matters.

If the Americans leave, they'll be replaced by Japanese forces and American flown Ospreys will be replaced by Japanese flown Ospreys or aircraft.

Not even as long as North Koreans are launching rockets or Chinese are taking your islands, but as long as North Korea and China and Russia are your neighbors, a large military force will be on Okinawa.

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Onaga should be PM of Japan. No other Japanese politician seems to be able to say NO to either Tokyo and/or Washington.

You are oblivious to the politics of Japan. You say you want Onaga as PM, yet you conveniently overlook the FACT that he lies, and does not follow through on promises he made to to the national govenrment.

He also is a chameleon who changed party's to suit his political purposes, and is on the record as NOT being against the military in Okinawa.

You wish for a hypocrite as PM? I question YOUR motives/.

3 ( +12 / -9 )

Let's rephrase it more exactly. "No other Japanese governor of a prefecture other than Tokyo seems to be able to say NO to either Tokyo or Washington."

Which just goes to show you pay little if any attention to politics in Japan. You are just like the Gov of Okinawa, a "one" issue poster.

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Onaga should be PM of Japan. No other Japanese politician seems to be able to say NO to either Tokyo and/or Washington.

These days, lots of lame population say No to Tokyo without solid reasoning and analysis including governor, so to say.

-5 ( +2 / -7 )

"Rent a Crowd"

"How come they all have the same placard?"

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How come they all have the same placard?"

The "anti-base" coalition that pays people to protest, and pays for printing these placards.

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Onaga should be PM of Japan. No other Japanese politician seems to be able to say NO to either Tokyo and/or Washington.

The only thing Gov Onaga says no to is any significant decrease in the US military footprint on the island. No to the extension at Camp Schwab (its not a "new" base) that would result in the closing of Futenma and its return to the local government. No to any of the reductions negotiated in the 2006 ATARA agreement. No to anything that could be viewed as progress, because progress is the last thing he wants - you can't demagogue progress in an election....

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"I am convinced that a new base certainly cannot be built," said the governor, who has repeatedly called for the base to be moved outside the prefecture.

FYI, it isn't a "new" base, it's an extension of an existing base, Onaga has to stop with the BS propaganda.

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Perhaps, It would be more reasonable for them to demand that flights over Populated areas be banned. It's really none of their business if the US wishes to fly an unflight-worthy aircraft or not.

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Why not the US just out of Japan and let Japan have a strong self-defense force (and keep Article 9)? Common sense. Would you want me to sit in your living room with a loaded gun to help "protect" YOUR family. No, you wouldn't. I protect my family and you protect yours.

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Perhaps, It would be more reasonable for them to demand that flights over Populated areas be banned.

Right, then flights from Narita, Kansai, Itami, Naha, Central, Fukuoka, etc etc etc would have to be banned as well.

It's a hypocritical request at best, and the Osprey are safer than what they are replacing, and folks just want "perfection".

Stop JAL from flying from Tokyo to Osaka, they flew into a mountain years ago, oh it's the same thing, but folks like to be ignorant about the facts.

Let's stop people from driving cars on the roads, by far thousands upon hundreds of thousands kill themselves because of automobiles. Airplanes by far are safer, but folks like to keep their heads in the sand, and blame what they are ignorant about as being the problem.

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Okinawa residents

The question is how many within the picture are Okinawa residents who actually live and works in Okinawa?

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To be honest I dont like the American bases in Japan because the American military power is being used to extort Japanese people in trade agreements and United States has used their intelligence service to overthrow Japanese politicians that are rival to American interest using leaks for mass media but currently China is a greater danger.

I hope the Japanese people tear up the constitution and make the Japanese army strong again!

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How come they all have the same placard?

They are extremely well organized.

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Those Ospreys are synonymous to Takata airbags.

Both are hyped as safe but actually are secret killers that no amount of recall and repair can fix.

My beloved Okinawa is being forced to be the testing grounds for these faulty experimental flying coffins by the colonizer Amerikano thereby officially making the Ryukyus as the Crimea of Asia.

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

Would I be overthinking this issue if I were to believe that US forces are not welcome on Okinawa?

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It's very interesting to watch how the central government has reacted to the crash of a Futenmka-deployed tilt-rotor aircraft off Australia.

Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera asked the U.S. side to halt the Osprey's operations until the cause of the accident is fully investigated. But the Marines ignored that request and continued flying the aircraft in Okinawa. And when the Marines said the Ospreys are safe aircraft, Onodera confirmed it by saying that the Japanese government understands the explanation by the Marines.

So 6 Futenma-deployed Ospreys may participate in joint military exercises in Hokkaido to hone pilots' night-flight skills.

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lostrune2: "How come they all have the same placard?"

They were simply asked on the street if they wanted to make a quick 1000 yen or so, put on a bus, shipped to this place, given a sign and told to hold it up. Probably most didn't know what it was for, and just wanted a quick handout -- same as those who DO know what it's for but still want the Federal handouts for housing the bases (just not the bases). .

In any case, many of these same people would stop all the Osprey grumbling once they wore JASDF stickers on them. Suddenly they wouldn't be dangerous or noisy. Suddenly they'd be proud of "their" military.

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"I am convinced that a new base certainly cannot be built,"

So, it's settled then. Onaga wants the base permanently in Futenma to stay... because he certainly doesn't want it in the thrice agreed upon, including former Governors, location.

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Ain't going to happen. And what is this crowd going to do when those JSDF Ospreys start operating in Okinawa?

mmwkdwAug. 13 08:51 pm JSTPerhaps, It would be more reasonable for them to demand that flights over Populated areas be banned. It's really none of their business if the US wishes to fly an unflight-worthy aircraft or not.

Recognizing that Futenma was in a populated area the US and Japan agreed to move it to Henoko. Yet the ant-US base crowd have done everything they can to stop Henoko development. Makes no sense if they are really concerned about Futenma.

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US Forces will stay in Japan. They are stuck since 1970:

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patty cake champion: Would I be overthinking this issue if I were to believe that US forces are not welcome on Okinawa?

Yes, you would and I highly encourage you to come to Okinawa and find out for yourself. Those people in that picture do not represent the 1.4 million Okinawans. The majority are supportive of the US forces and the community between the two is pretty tight knit... The impression of something different is just media bias in an attempt to push their own agenda.

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No other Japanese governor of a prefecture other than Tokyo seems to be able to say NO to either Tokyo or Washington.

Osaka and surroundings seem to have managed it somehow. One of the joys of living in Kansai.

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Placard makers made good profits. But if they were written in English, I aim sure US media will send video send to introduce Okinawa. feelings.

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Pro China Onaga is placing all of Japan at peril of an invasion by China and Russia. As we can see with Chinese navy and Air force continually invade Okinawa and Japanese territorial waters and Air Space.

The Chinese just laugh at Japan as they know they have a life span shorten the North Korea does when it comes to a shooting match. The JSDF Forces try to intercept and get no where. they warn Them and the Chinese come closer and closer each time. they know the Japanese have no guts or courage to fight and will be destroyed in minutes. The in-superior pro peace-niks of Japan would roll over and play dead.

Japan as a military force could be beaten by a Girls scout Troop selling cookies. They show their yellow chicken bellies daily. Japan has no friends in Asia as they hate Japan with a passion and will just turn their back on them or be in the invasion and end of Japan. Japan can NOT survive without the US help. The unfortunate issue is The Putin Puppet DJ Trump will run as soon as the first slingshot is fired. Trump does not care and will leave Japan to be over-run by Russia in the North and China in the south and will divide Japan into 2 colonies 1 Russian and 1 Chinese. Japan has never been forgiven to all the atrocities committed on them the last century. Trump is a liar and the worlds biggest con men ever and bails when it looks even slightly negative. He will pull out real fast.

So time for Japanese to learn Russian and Chinese!

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DocCarlosToday  03:06 am JST

Japan has no friends in Asia as they hate Japan with a passion and will just turn their back on them or be in the invasion and end of Japan. 

Except for Philippines, Malaysia Indonesia, Singapore, India, Australia, New Zealand, India. In addition to countries in Asia there is United Kingdom and France and the EU. So let's not post nonsense.

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smithinjapan: They were simply asked on the street if they wanted to make a quick 1000 yen or so, put on a bus, shipped to this place, given a sign and told to hold it up. Probably most didn't know what it was for, and just wanted a quick handout -- same as those who DO know what it's for but still want the Federal handouts for housing the bases (just not the bases).

Oh, can you give a source for this info? If you just made this up or your basing it off your ‘assumption’ than that’s a guess. An I would like you to include that next time , please. If not than thanks for providing the source as well.

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After Japan lost WWII, Russia tried to make Japan. as a communist country. Japan had to ask US to help. It took ten years but US signed treaty with a Japanese PM and rescued Japan.

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If they are so obviously dangerous and defective, why did Japan buy them for their own stock? These people need to find a day job - much better use of their time.

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Brilliant. Well done you people. Keep up the pressure.

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You say you want Onaga as PM, yet you conveniently overlook the FACT that he lies, and does not follow through on promises he made to to the national govenrment.

That's sound exactly like the PM's job description nowadays.

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OssanAmerica,

It's true that the U.S. and a subservient Japan agreed to move Futenma from a crowded residential area to a less populated district of Henoko to "reduce the burden on Okinawa."

If the reduction of danger is the motivation behind the relocation, then don't you think Kadena Air Base should be moved first and foremost because serious accidents occur there more frequently than Futenma? And how about Yokota Air Base and Atsugi Naval Air Base in metropolitan Tokyo, both of which are located in far more crowded residential areas? 

U.S. bases are like concessions in 19th-century China where foreign residents enjoyed extra-territorial rights. They are beyond the Japanese constitution and law, making colonies in a most condensed and typical form.

If Japan were a sovereign nation, it would never have given a nod to building another base within its own territory for a foreign military. So you can understand why Okinawa opposes the relocation of Futenma within Okinawa (or Japan) so vehemently, demanding instead an unconditional return of it. Or can’t you?

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Seems everyone here,  especially Gov. Onaga and his supporters conveniently forgets that the U.S. military are usually the first to be on the scene (so long as there are nearby U.S. bases) to fly in much needed supplies and humanitarian aid when disasters strikes.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/11/22/world/ospreys-show-value-in-flying-typhoon-aid/#.WZDI0GdK2tU

The U.S. military and Ospreys aren't always the people-killing machines the protesters paint them out to be. That was demonstrated in the Philippines when the local government was unable to respond in a timely manner after Typhoon Haiyan.  Note: MV-22s flew from Futenma.

https://www.mca-marines.org/gallery/us-marines-provide-humanitarian-aid-philippines

U.S. Military humanitarian aid effort for Japan Earthquake relief (remember "Operation Tomodachi"?):

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/42289464/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/disaster-aid-puts-new-face-us-military-japan/#.WZDA1WdK2tU

U.S. Marine aircraft (V-22) role in Nepal Earthquake relief:

http://www.marines.mil/News/News-Display/Article/587374/us-marine-aircraft-arrive-in-kathmandu-to-support-nepal-earthquake-relief/

These are just a few examples of U.S. Military assistances during crisis and disasters.  It that also shows how valuable and versatile the V-22 Ospreys have proven to be during these disasters. The Ospreys can get into areas where the C-130s can't land. The Ospreys can fly in supplies and humanitarian aid much faster and farther than conventional helicopters.

When the next big typhoon, tsunami, earthquake, flood, etc., hits Okinawa, I hope Gov. Onaga and the many like-minded "voicesofokinawa" will remember that.

"Where's the humanitarian assistance relief?  Oh wait...we forgot; we kicked the U.S. and the Ospreys out of Okinawa."

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smithinjapan,

They were simply asked on the street if they wanted to make a quick 1000 yen or so, put on a bus, shipped to this place, given a sign and told to hold it up.

This cracked me up! You REALLY think this is what happened? You fondly imagine that anyone in Okinawa has 45,000,000 yen to pay for demonstrators (45,000 X 1,000 yen). If this happened ONCE, it would be all over the media.

That demonstrators are paid is a PR line put out by the US military and part of the indoctrination for new servicemen coming to Okinawa.

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Actually this has very little to do with the Osprey and much more to do with resentment by Okinawan's of having to play host to virtually all American personnel stationed in Japan, it takes very little to provoke thier opposition to anything associated with the American military. I can sympathize with their frustration, however the U.S is stationed their at the request of the Japanese Government for our mutual security and what ever dispute exists is strictly between Okinawa and Tokyo. As far as the Osprey V-22 is concerned, the Tilt Rotar has greatly exceeded the Marines expectations and like many aircraft that offer revolutionary capibilities it has not been an easy road to travel. It's costly development was mostly due to the limited production run after the U.S army withdrew from the program. It's reduction in payload capibilities was due to engine nacelle placement on the wingtips resulting in a greater then 10% growth in total weight, the next generation tiltrotar the Valor under consideration by the US Army eliminates this shortcoming. It's early crashes were due to vortex generation at low altitude during transitional flight. The incorporation of a device to monitor this phenomenon eliminated the problem and of course it's flight characteristics are now much better understood then was the case during initial testing and evaluation. Almost all U.S military aircraft have had crashes, with F-14's, F-15's, F-16's, 18's etc, all being grounded at different points in thier careers. Also rotary wing aircraft generally have higher accident rates due to thier unique abilities and the requirement to operate at lower altitudes. Drawing conclusions based on no facts or evidence almost always leads to embaressment and will likely be the case here for many who do so.

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@bertie. ospreys are in Hokkaido. also, you missed out the most recent crashes. quite a lot of usa soldiers have died. luckily, my tax money will pay for abe to buy about 27 of these obsolete noisy craft. they are attack craft, not for self defence.

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@halwick. my friends who managed to survive the great hanshin earthquake in kobe told me:

-it was cold and they had to live in parks.

-americans arrived after 2 weeks and gave them blankets

-the blankets were so bad, they burnt them to keep warm.

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This cracked me up! You REALLY think this is what happened? You fondly imagine that anyone in Okinawa has 45,000,000 yen to pay for demonstrators (45,000 X 1,000 yen). If this happened ONCE, it would be all over the media.

It's definitely not outside the realm of possibility with the Henoko Fund and Okinawa Peace Action Center using funds to do it pay for participation. They regularly receive millions of yen from businessmen like Morimasa Goya and the like, so they are most definitely funding these annual rallies. Although, I disagree with Smith, they don't grab people off the streets to participate. The most recent rallies have locations to safely store your travel suitcases and most ordinary Okinawans are vehement that most people who participate are from outside the prefecture. Now, 3 years later it is likely that they continue to have millions of yen to promote, compensate, and fund participation to these events to give the illusion of mass support.

It's funny.. in all other cases people would be so upset and call it corrupt when a businessmen donates money to something for financial and political gain but they're willing to treat them as heroes in this case.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/04/10/national/politics-diplomacy/okinawa-activists-establish-fund-fight-futenma-base-move/

http://english.ryukyushimpo.jp/2015/05/22/18569/

http://english.ryukyushimpo.jp/2015/04/23/18199/

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Back in June , around the anniversary of the Battle of Okinawa, I attended a movie screening of John Junkerman's "Okinawa: The Afterburn". It's a very compelling (although left wing, anti-U.S. bias is very evident) 3-part documentary that chronicles The Battle of Okinawa; the 1945-72 U.S. occupation and return of Okinawa to Japan; and the future of Okinawa. But to Mr. Junkerman's credit, his documentary does attempt to show both sides of the issue. It's worth watching if you haven't already seen it.

After the showing, I privately asked Mr. Junkerman who really backs and supports Hiroji Yamashiro and anti-U.S. military protesters? He wouldn't answer my question, which confirms my suspicions about China and communist-party influence behind the scenes.

Gov. Onaga, the Okinawan anti-U.S. protesters and the many "voicesofokinawa" here may be sincere and honest in their desires to get the U.S. and Japan out of Okinawa and become a independent sovereign nation once again, but they are unwittingly (and naively) playing into China's scheme of things. What the Okinawans don't seem to understand is that modern-day China is the same China it traded with centuries ago. 

Why has the "benign and peaceful" China built military bases (with offense capabilities) in the South China Seas region that has Taiwan, Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc. concerned? Why does China want the U.S. military and Japanese presence out of Okinawa? And what makes you think that China won't build military bases near or on Okinawa after the U.S. and Japan leaves? Without U.S. and Japan protection, Okinawa would be powerless against a future annexation just as it was powerless against Japan back in 1879. 

Of course Gov. Onaga, et al, doesn't view China as an adversary and doesn't view China (military or otherwise) presence on the island as "occupation". 

(The many "voicesofokinawa", et al, will no doubt dismiss the above as "conjecture and fantasy" but then a few years ago, similar comments about North Korean nuclear tests and missile tests were equally dismissed as "conjecture and fantasy". Now with the reality of the crisis, everyone is suddenly panicking and wants U.S. nuclear umbrella protection. We'll see....say around 2020 or thereabouts.....what happens after the U.S. and Japan leaves Okinawa.)

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Halwick: Aug. 14 | 07:44 am JST

Seems everyone here, especially Gov. Onaga and his supporters conveniently forgets that the U.S. military are usually the first to be on the scene (so long as there are nearby U.S. bases) to fly in much needed supplies and humanitarian aid when disasters strikes.

I want to believe what you say because that's the very reason why Japan offers so many bases to the US. military on house in exchange for their protection of Japan. 

But do you know that Washington and Tokyo signed an agreement in April last year that the primary responsibility for defending outlying islands rests with the JSDF, not the USFJ? They may come to the aid of JSDF troops in case the latter cannot counter the enemy by themselves alone.  

This arrangement clearly shows that U.S. counterattacking forces, especially Marine units, do not necessarily station in Okinawa because they don't have to respond to contingencies quickly. The U.S. claim that troop deployment to Okinawa is necessary because of its strategic location is thus nothing but shenanigans. How do you respond?

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How do you respond?

I'm assuming via comment since that is the only way one can respond here.

Unfortunately, it leaves some members the ability to ignore it when it is not the response they want to hear

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GoodlucktoyouToday 09:59 am JST@halwick. my friends who managed to survive the great hanshin earthquake in kobe told me:

-it was cold and they had to live in parks.

-americans arrived after 2 weeks and gave them blankets

-the blankets were so bad, they burnt them to keep warm.

Well, I knew there was going to be someone (and likely more) who would ignore and dismiss anything that highlights U.S. military humanitarian aid efforts or shows the Osprey aircraft in a more positive light. Shows the true anti-U.S. sentiments here.  No doubt your Kobe friends are equally anti-U.S. By the way, I assume they were more appreciative of the Chinese or North Korean assistance, maybe?

I have Filipino friends who survived the Typhoon Haiyan and they told me they were grateful and appreciative of the U.S. military humanitarian aid effort and the quick response. And my military friends who were also in the Philippines told me that If those Ospreys weren't based in Futaema, the supplies and aid packages wouldn't have arrived as quickly as it did. 

But I supposed this is all irrelevant in everyone's minds and does not change any views here.  

@voiceofokinawa:  1) It's good and about time the JSDF is taking a greater role in the defense of the outlying islands,  but the restrictions of Article 9, needs to be modified to make the JSDF more effective.  Otherwise it's just lip service.  2) Wherever the U.S. military presence was, I have always seen them consistently aided their host countries in humanitarian campaigns. (And I'm not going to provide "citations"; I WAS THERE when I served in the military, witnessed and participated). The fact that U.S. Marines did respond quickly during those disasters nullifies your point and you are just too biased to appreciate that fact. 

I suppose you don't see North Korea and China and the military buildup in the South China Seas as a concern, do you?  You've ignored and deflected my  question in my previous post.  What's your response?

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CiburneticTiger,

I'm challenging pro-base posters like Halwick and men of his ilk to respond to my question. So how could I ignore it when he responds to it seriously? Ignoring a rejoinder raised against one’s argument and keeping mum about it means you threw in a towel in the argument.

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You fondly imagine that anyone in Okinawa has 45,000,000 yen to pay for demonstrators (45,000 X 1,000 yen). If this happened ONCE, it would be all over the media.

You refuse to accept the fact that the money is there, the fund supports all the busses being hired, they don't do it for free ya' know. Paying for the rental of the grounds, paying for people to run the event, set it up, etc etc, all that and paying folks to be there.

You choose to remain blind that it happens, pops your bubble of belief that the reasons are altruistic.

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how could I ignore it when he responds to it seriously? Ignoring a rejoinder raised against one’s argument and keeping mum about it means you threw in a towel in the argument.

You have on several occasions ignored the rest of us when we gave logical and rational answers to your questions. Hence my comment on you questions.

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You fondly imagine that anyone in Okinawa has 45,000,000 yen to pay for demonstrators (45,000 X 1,000 yen

No not the Okinawans themselves but PRC would be more then happy to fund it and they do. It's a propaganda tactic that had been done for years.

Those activists aren't doing out of the goodness of their hearts either. Everyone has their own agenda.

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You wish for a hypocrite as PM?

Well, dat's wot we got now....

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CyburneticTiger: Today 01:14 pm JST,

You have on several occasions ignored the rest of us when we gave logical and rational answers to your questions. Hence my comment on you questions.

Have I really? If I had ever failed to answer your question, it must have been because I happened not to read it. But I'm confident I've never failed to answer or deal with any question you posed to me. Could you give any example when I failed to answer your question?

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GoodlucktoyouToday  09:49 am JST

@bertie. ospreys are in Hokkaido. also, you missed out the most recent crashes. quite a lot of usa soldiers have died. luckily, my tax money will pay for abe to buy about 27 of these obsolete noisy craft. they are attack craft, not for self defence.

GoodlucktoyouToday  09:59 am JST

@halwick. my friends who managed to survive the great hanshin earthquake in kobe told me:

-it was cold and they had to live in parks.

-americans arrived after 2 weeks and gave them blankets

-the blankets were so bad, they burnt them to keep warm.

Here is the wiki for the Osprey since your statements show that you are totally un aware of their role https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Boeing_V-22_Osprey Suggest you read up on the varied roles of these only "attack aircraft". The simple

Addtionally your comments on the Hanshin Quake are absurd. That entire evolution was a learning experience for both the Japanese and US in support disaster recovery which were both abysmal initially in their response due to miles of red tape and burecratic nonsense, Use the 2011 and 2016 quakes are more accurate representations of capabilities in which I might add the Osprey was used to provide direct support to afflicted people in the forms of food, water and medical support beyond that capable by the helicopters they replaced in service.

I once again reiterate that all these protests have nothing to do with the actual safety of aircraft. It is merely a convienient politcal/social target for those who wish to use any news dealing with it to benefit their agenda.

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I once again reiterate that all these protests have nothing to do with the actual safety of aircraft. It is merely a convienient politcal/social target for those who wish to use any news dealing with it to benefit their agenda.

The organizers prey on the emotions of the people. If it wasn't the Osprey, they would find another reason, like the paint being scratched on a bolt, or a speeding ticket, who knows.

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How Hokkaido Governor negotiated? I'd bet he concentrated on talking about Osprey.

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Placard idea

Osprey Death

and data of each death copying Bertie''s data,

then vertically display. English and stands. In front. Of foreign video person.

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Have I really? If I had ever failed to answer your question, it must have been because I happened not to read it. But I'm confident I've never failed to answer or deal with any question you posed to me. Could you give any example when I failed to answer your question?

This gets my vote for the most whacked response anyone has ever made on JT for not responding to comments or posts...they didnt read it?

Then have the nerve to say that they are "confident" of never failing to answer questions posed?

How do you know you have never failed? If you claim to never have read them, then you most assuredly have failed.

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