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That’s a great idea.

No Japanese Politician has ever tried to do that, and Kim is always open to summits with the revolving Prime Minister of Japan to talk about abduction issues.

20 ( +24 / -4 )

Perhaps North Korea and South Korea should demands summits to discuss the lurid idea ofKoreans abducted by the Japanese.

-15 ( +11 / -26 )

One of two fall back subjects that always get talking points from politicians but never materialize, the other being the recovery of the Tohoku area.

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Japan won’t get the abductees back until it becomes a nuclear armed country that can defend itself without US presence. One needs to speak to North Korea in the language they understand, the language of force.

-9 ( +6 / -15 )

The sharp pointed spear next to Kono is interesting.

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MeiyouwentiToday  07:42 am JST

Japan won’t get the abductees back until it becomes a nuclear armed country that can defend itself without US presence. One needs to speak to North Korea in the language they understand, the language of force.

If you like force so much I trust you're desperate to join the SDF and get right into the middle of the action when Dad's Army blunders into another war.

10 ( +15 / -5 )

.....just DISGUSTING, once again like we have been seeing for DECADES, the abducted being USED as pawns for political gain........

FOR SHAME!!

14 ( +19 / -5 )

These Japanese are either dead, or brainwashed, they have no memory of Japan

10 ( +15 / -5 )

Are these four clowns gonna be at every event now?

At least they aren’t all in the same cemented position on the stage.

Does that mean Suga is no longer making public appearances?

0 ( +4 / -4 )

Abe, Suga and I'd bet the next PM have never will never appear in Public, too scared of the reaction from the population. They would rather make the same promises for the press knowing full well nothing at all will come of it.

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GWToday 08:18 am JST

.....just DISGUSTING, once again like we have been seeing for DECADES, the abducted being USED as pawns for political gain........

Yep, you can always tell there's an election in the air when these poor sad families are dragged out of the closet and paraded around on television.

The LDP never mentions that their leaders at the time knew full well what was happening but ignored the kidnappings because they were in discussions with Kim Il Sung about joint economic development in North Korea.

6 ( +10 / -4 )

Useless, unless ready to pay billions of the yens of the Japanese tax payers money.

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And Taro Kono will be hurt and blocks Kim Jong-un for his hurtful statements or views...

The DPRK cannot be reasonably discussed. It's always about what concessions are made to them to start negotiating. In the case of these new names, it's just going to be about two deer against each other, and neither one is going to want to give in and make demands on the other that the other is not willing to accept.

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Pretty much as expected...(sigh)

We can expect a photo-op with the new guy (not woman anyway) in charge and the abductees' families in the PM residence soon after the election. Yet another photo to add to the already covered walls of the PM's residence. I wonder how many photos there already are and how many they need...? Did they run out of wallpaper and are going for photos instead?

On a side-note, Abe milked the issue so much over the last decade, that following the last few photo-ops there was an increasing public backlash against the abductees' families in the Yahoo news comments section.

Comments were around the lines of: They (the families) are at it again! or They (the families) like attention, don't they! Frankly, the abductees' families increasingly started to look like lightning rods...This is not going to end well...

1 ( +4 / -3 )

Just one comment: the never-ending story. Trying to cash in on this.

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@thepersoniamnow

Actually Prime Minister Koizumi held a summit with Kim Jong Il, resulting in the return of the surviving abductees and the signing of the Pyongyang Declaration.

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Not one of these are serious. If were they all have the white gloves on. Remember those days when honest politician wore white glove to prove their honesty

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Hooray! It's that time of the year again, to get the abductees' families out and parade them all around town.

We need to create an environment for talks with North Korea by exchanging views with the United States, China, South Korea and Russia and making sure we are headed in the same direction," said Kono

Well, at least he didn't exactly say "let's make it "sexy." Though more likely the same meaning.

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North Korean issue is necessary to keep the American base on Japanese.

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Trump's card (5 years ago): Let's build a wall.

Moon's card: Japan bad. Look what they did (about a century ago).

Every Japan's PM card: bring out the Yokotas

5 ( +7 / -2 )

Their ‘lovely’ answer swims already beforehand in the EEZ. In addition, they don’t let anyone in while that corona is still around and Kim’s sister has a bit treated and calmed down. She looks btw a bit starving and frustrated, therefore not ready and healthy enough to negotiate , still playing around with missile launch pad buttons only. Corona widely in check and some delicious and some fashion presents for her, and surely she comes back to the table one day. But I guess not before those basic conditions are all served. lol

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About time for Tokyo to have an independent foreign policy and establish diplomatic ties with Pyongyang.

Japan will be helping many civilians including women, the elderly and children who are suffering from malnutrition.

Hope whoever wins will make good things happen.

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Just noticed on the photo:

自民党女性局: *LDP female dept.*

*LDP *Youth

Oxymoron anyone?

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They’re all dead. I feel for their families but they are gone and they are not coming back. The best we can hope for now is a full accounting, and even that seems like a bridge too far given the North’s pathology of lying and deceit.

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The four are playing games from pulling on Japanese heartstrings to stating the intention to vaccinate children-pure theatrics…

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In upcoming GE, the same question about this issue should be asked to each opposition parties.

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... to keep the American bases on Japanese soil**

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you will need to change your rhetoric and solve issue with US army basements here..than can seriously consider to have some talks with DPRK...

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US army basements

Meaning underground command and control facilities in SK???

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North Korean issue is necessary to keep the American base on Japanese.

Hah! Just TRY to get rid of them and see what happens. And it's not because of Bukhan that the bases are in Japan. It's because of Empire. And China. Bukhan is just a convenient, but truth be told, impotent, bogieman to frighten childish minds into political acquiescence used by both the U.S. and Nihonsei politicians. Japan has 5-6 times the population and at least 100 times the economy of Bukhan plus the most virulent bully onplanet behind it. The Koreans are NOT suicidal... And all NK really wants is the U.S. hobnail boot off of its economic throat without having to kneel to Washington like Japan and SK do...

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Round and around and around we go.

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Lets have another meeting with North Korea, so they can tell us once again that there are no abductees left. Perhaps a photo op and a round of golf afterwards?

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I have been watching the conversations/debates of the 4 candidates, and I have to say it is refreshing to have 2 female candidates, who both seem like nice persons with interesting backgrounds, focusing on family issues more. I am worried about Kono-san who always answers like "shikkari to" blah blah. This has been going on for far too long and I think he ought to have clear policies by now.

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

I mean if I had to watch Kono-san debate Suga-san, for example, it would be like watching two guys puke on each other and then choose who smelled the worst.

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Ask US what if 12 Americans, most probably much more have been abducted over there and their families have been asking the gov't to do something for decades, Do as US does, not as US says

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Simon FostonToday  08:16 am JST

MeiyouwentiToday  07:42 am JST

Japan won’t get the abductees back until it becomes a nuclear armed country that can defend itself without US presence. One needs to speak to North Korea in the language they understand, the language of force.

If you like force so much I trust you're desperate to join the SDF and get right into the middle of the action when Dad's Army blunders into another war.

Force does not necessarily mean that you are to engage yourself into face-to-face combat on the front line.

You could contribute as a scientist, a engineer, mere one of operators for a military operation to bring back abductees.

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Her mother is still alive. The 5 repatriated are healthy and alive. How come you insist they are all dead?

How come what you all like UN and UNHCR didn't even take any action?

You just do not care period

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@kennyG

Her mother is still alive. The 5 repatriated are healthy and alive. How come you insist they are all dead?

Well, at face value, you are right. Nobody on this board knows for sure whether the abductees are dead or not. TBH, I would think that pretty much nobody at all knows for sure...As such, you do not know either if her mother or any of the other abductees are alive.

So why do so many people assume they are dead? Let's look at the situation.

To start with, the repatriation of Hitomi Soga and 4 other abductees and their families took place 17 years ago. In the meantime Soga-san's mother would now be 89 years old (if still alive), and this in a country where the average life expectancy is 72.1 years. 72.1 being a figure to take with a one ton block of salt as it is most likely based on very "positive" data provided by NK.

The 13 remaining abductees would be aged as below:

96(1)

89(1)

85(1)

73(1)

--average life expectancy in North Korea: 72.1 years--

71(1)

68(1)

67(2)

66(1)

64(1)

62(1)

61(1)

57(1)

Sorry to sound cynical but in 4 years, one of the abductees will turn 100. Are we still to consider him alive? If yes, until when? I mean until what age? Can we close the books once and for all when all of them are above 120 or is it to be 150?

BTW, under Japanese law can be considered as "deceased" a person who disappeared or went missing for 7 full years.

https://www.courts.go.jp/saiban/syurui/syurui_kazi/kazi_06_06/index.html

Here, we are talking about 39 years.

Additional info:

.the abductions took place between 1977 and 1983 under Kim Il-Sung

.the latest abduction dates back to 1983 (39 years).

....which makes it pretty much a "cold case" for nearly 4 decades

.the last abductees to return did so in 2004 (17 years).

....so, at best, the case gets cold nearly 2 decades ago.

.as far as the remaining abductees, North Korea denies involvement or declared all of them dead.

....whether one believes NK or not is irrelevant, to NK the victims have no legal existence on their territory (read: anything goes, no questions asked!)

.evidence to the abductees still being alive is very indirect and flimsy at best (no mentioning that the intel is generally pretty dated)

.North Korea is notoriously stingy when it comes to provide food to its population and prioritizes the army above all, so...

....why prioritizing the abductees?

.NK went through a series of famine between 1994 - 1998 where between 240,000 and 3,500,000 North Koreans died out of a population of 22,000,000(!). In the worst case scenario 15.9% of the NK population died...not mentioning the acute risk of further famines currently looming...

....so again, why prioritizing the abductees?

.the victims were abducted to obtain their identities or teach Japanese

....in the first case, it makes no sense to keep the victim alive

....in the latter case, this makes no sense nowadays, hence why keeping the victims alive?

.NK went nuclear in 2006, hence the abductees are now of no value as an "asset" whatsoever when it comes to negotiations, worse: being a testimony to NK's inhuman acts, they are a "liability", hence why keeping them alive?

.Kim Il-Sung (who validated the abductions) died in 1994, Kim Jong-Il (his son) who returned some of the abductees died in 2011 and Kim Jong-un who took over the shop then did "dispose of" the old guard from his father's days who incidentally were most likely the last persons to know of anything about the abduction issue

All-in-all, if the abductees managed to stay alive despite the chaos in NK, they have a very strong chance of being buried in the regime's red tape and frankly, with ruthless a leader as Fatboy Kim currently in charge and his psycho-sister a potential follow-up, it may be better for them to remain under the radar...

As such, the chances for the abductees to still be alive is astronomically low, "pretty much nil". Are their chances "nil"? No, well, nobody knows for sure...

Now, what are their chances to return home? Well, these are for sure "totally nil". Russia is not interested, China isn't either, South Korea had up to 3,800 abductees and therefore does not care about the Japanese ones, neither does the US care.

Now, does the Japanese government care? LDP governments do not care beyond a photo-op and a vote-grabbing chance. Everybody remembers the abductees being Abe's "life work". Well, since he stepped down, he switched his "life work" to constitutional revisionism only.

Now, does the Japanese public care? I mean, as in REALLY care? Me not think so. I believe they pretend to because the abductees families are "kawaiso" and that's about it. Anyway, it's not that there is anything they can do about it...

Now, do the abductees families care? Well, that's a nasty one, but if you consider that the last abduction was 39 years ago, this leaves room for several younger family-member to have been born since then.

Imagine you are one of them and that, that together with the family, you live literally in the "shade" of an older sister/brother, a cousin, an uncle./aunt, a grand-dad/mom you never knew or have never even met.

Imagine that you are constantly taken or pushed to participate in events to talk about these "shadow family members", that you are paraded in front of reporters and shaking hands with politicians who you do know don't give a damn and that ultimately, you do all this because those in your family who do care are just so kawaiso and you just don't want to break their hearts even more...Now, that would suck, wouldn't it?

To be frank, at each event, Megumi Yokota's mother was so vocal while her husband seemed generally silent that I often had the impression he was doing all this for his wife more than anything else...And that's a really sad thought...

As such, I'm pretty sure these family-members would just love the abductees to be buried once and for all and go on with living their own lives...Far away from the press and the PM residence...

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@blue

Thank you for your polite response as opposed to the ones from some regular posters here but I meant Yokota Sakie by " Her mother"

Your average expectancy in NK was interesting but I hate to say it is irrelevant as NK officially told Japan " They are all dead" long time ago. I mean NK must answer for the consequence, including lying then.

Hope you would understand what I mean.

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I mean NK must answer for the consequence, including lying then.

Maybe. They're already paying the price with tons of sanctions. And now going through famine, again.

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