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Good on him. At least some leaders take animal conservation seriously.

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Err umm...

Aren't the Inuit also hunting whales and seals?

7 ( +32 / -25 )

Burning Bush : Aren't the Inuit also hunting whales and seals?

Yes they do.

Particularly the bowhead whale.

It is done as part of a cultural tradition - and also largely because whale meat provides high amounts of protein and fat .

They use other parts, as well for tools, etc.

27 ( +33 / -6 )

The west with their ‘our way of life is best’ mentality on full display.

-7 ( +27 / -34 )

The commercial hunts, however, would be limited to Japan's territorial waters, said a top Japanese government spokesman.

Down here we get literally hundreds of whales as they pass by Okinawa in their yearly migrations. Whale watching tours are quite popular, and folks love seeing the majestic beauty of these incredible whales!

I hope that we wont being seeing any hunters now too!

7 ( +19 / -12 )

Since when Japan becomes a province of Canada ?

-16 ( +24 / -40 )

Aren't the Inuit also hunting whales and seals?

And do the Inuit have 120 million plus population? The world's 3rd largest economy? And more importantly an government that thumbs their nose at international conventions based upon a false belief that eating the meat of a whale is a national "cultural" tradition?

Japanese for the most part only had whale in their diets following WWII because of the poor economy and lack of food following the war.

Whale consumption has dropped to almost nothing here by comparison, it's only the small group of politically boisterous hunters and fishing collectives that spend a lot of cash on politicians, that keeps this issue alive!

Comparing the Japanese to Inuit is a poor comparison, as the Inuit do it to survive, particularly in their harsh environment, and they never take more than they need either and respect the ocean for giving them the whale too!

Oh they dont make any money on it either!

9 ( +34 / -25 )

Culture Imperialism. Why doesnt left-wing Trudeau also attack Canadian Aboriginal people who kill whales and Seals? These people are no longer primitive, and hunt with modern technologies. Hypocrisy. The Abe Cabinet will not listen to Trudeau.

-3 ( +29 / -32 )

stick to issues that matter please not this nonsense

-2 ( +21 / -23 )

I'd like to get people's opinions on eating whale meat. Why do you think its wrong? Why do you think other people should not be allowed to eat it?

Personally, I enjoy the taste of whale meat and eat it as frequently as I can. If whale populations are responsibly managed and supply doesn't exceed demand is it a bad thing?

10 ( +22 / -12 )

YubaruToday 07:26 am JST

Japanese for the most part only had whale in their diets following WWII because of the poor economy and lack of food following the war.

Whales have been hunted and eaten in Japan for at least 1000 years.

http://www.facts-about-japan.com/whaling-history.html

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

It seems strange that a country that left the IWC 37 years ago is dictating to a country that just left. But moreso, it seems strange that a country is dictating what another can or can not do in it's own waters.

"Originally a member of the International Whaling Commission (IWC), Canada disagreed with efforts in 1980 to declare a moratorium on commercial whaling. Canada argued that, in the absence of a clear and scientifically-justified recommendation for such action from the commission’s scientific committee, conservation requirements could be met under the commission’s management procedure, which provides for selective moratoria. Canada’s position on the moratorium issue earned a great deal of criticism from anti-whaling groups around the world. Canada withdrew its IWC membership in 1982 in protest over this issue. "

https://www.greenparty.ca/en/policy/vision-green/environment/whale-hunting

7 ( +23 / -16 )

Canada should just sanction Japan. All countries should sanction Japan until Japan surrenders and stops whaling.

-6 ( +17 / -23 )

Certain communities, have indeed hunted whales for centuries, but it was not a part of the overall diet of Japan as a whole until following WWII. Japan also did not hunt the souther ocean for whale until the 20th century!

Nothing about these Antarctic whaling expeditions is historic. Japan's first whaling voyage to the Antarctic took place in the mid-1930s but the really huge hunts didn't get going until after World War Two.

Japan lay in ruins, its population starving. With the encouragement of General Douglas MacArthur, Japan converted two huge US Navy tankers into factory ships and set sail for the Southern Ocean.

From the late 1940s to the mid-1960s whale meat was the single biggest source of meat in Japan. At its peak in 1964 Japan killed more than 24,000 whales in one year, most of them enormous fin whales and sperm whales.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35397749

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I'd like to get people's opinions on eating whale meat. Why do you think its wrong? Why do you think other people should not be allowed to eat it?

It's impossible to kill a whale humanely; after a terrifying and exhausting chase, the animal is struck with an explosive harpoon that does not cause instant death in up to 20% of hits. Instead the animal dies slowly and painfully from evisceration and loss of blood, while being dragged through the water with hooks stuck into its flesh. Or, unable to lift its head to breathe, the whale drowns.

So yes, regardless of whether supply exceeds demand (which it does), eating whalemeat means you are deliberately causing unnecessary and barbaric suffering to an animal most of whose body will be simply tipped overboard.

If you must eat whalemeat, find one that had washed ashore and died naturally.

While I appreciate Trudeau taking a stance on whaling, I'd also like to see him take a stand on the Canadian seal hunt.

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It seems strange that a country that left the IWC 37 years ago is dictating to a country that just left. But moreso, it seems strange that a country is dictating what another can or can not do in it's own waters.'

Canada is not ' dictating ' anything, Trudeau made a point about conservation in a phone call, thats all. Lets not call it what it isn,t , shall we?

According to a statement from his office, Trudeau said he "raised the important issue of whale conservation and committed to working with international partners to protect whale species."

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what? he has no other issues pertaining to Canada to think about ?

I dont even support whaling , but so tired of people sticking their mouth where it shouldnt.

7 ( +20 / -13 )

"raised the important issue of whale conservation and committed to working with international partners to protect whale species."

You could interpret that statement in many ways and knowing the lack of spine that Trudeau has that is probably exactly what he wanted. He would never outright ask for Japan to desist even if that is genuinely what he wanted.

Reality is that if Japan wants to maintain a whaling industry going forward they will need to monitor populations, set quota's etc and those quota's will have be informed by science, not guesswork.

I don't particularly like the whaling industry but then I am a Westerner with no history of it in my country and really the only justification there would be for me seeking an outright ban from countries like Japan is if the numbers were in serious decline. If they are Japan should do the right thing and desist, if they are not, they need to be really serious about managing the industry. They should realize that if numbers fall considerably, they are going to get a sizable portion of the blame....want to avoid that.

Don't worry too much about Justin, he will probably go off and have a cry.

Could be in real trouble come the next election

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/12/19/trudeau-approval-rating-poll_a_23622710/

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Not all traditions need upholding. And Japan is not a small group of peoples sustainably fishing the whale, so comparison with the Innuit is not applicable.

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If Japan hunted whales in Japanese waters using non-factory methods, the international out cry would be far less. Actually, I'd cheer for Japanese whaling from small boats near their shores where a community comes together to take a whale to be shared throughout the town.

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@theFu like breaking seals hulls with clubs? that looks very much a "non-factory method"

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*correction: skulls

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Good on Trudeau! Good to see that some leaders in the world still use their influence for humanity and decency. Whales are a highly intelligent and peaceful species, we would do a lot better to treat them with the respect they deserve.

seanwd20Today 07:13 am JST

The west with their ‘our way of life is best’ mentality on full display.

Because Japan's fishing quotas are notoriously unsustainable - Trudeau obviously has a point. Some people want fish and whales to be around for generations to come, and some people rightly point out that inhumanely killing off whales is a complete waste of this intelligent animal. not to mention that it is completely unnecessary.

Down here we get literally hundreds of whales as they pass by Okinawa in their yearly migrations. Whale watching tours are quite popular, and folks love seeing the majestic beauty of these incredible whales!

As whaling is a source of toxic national pride, don't expect anything in Japanese waters to be 'off-limits'...

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Matt - I believe you are Australian, which would make your commment -

"..I am a Westerner with no history of it in my country...."* appear rather strange.

Australia hunted whales for centuries contributing greatly to some species endangered status.

As a university student in the '70s I know very well that whaling didn't cease until late '70s because there were many protestations against the industry.

And people mentioning traditional ethnic whaling practices on a miniscule scale, and comparing such to modern factory whaling are way off beam.

As stated many times before - the commercial hunting of whales industry is caphoot. It cannot stand on it's own and should die a natural death like so many industries around the world whos time has come.

5 ( +13 / -8 )

Of course he does. TrueDough, Mr SJW himself. A pitiful excuse for a leader. Virute signalling his way to sound bites. Having a guy like this on your side is a great way to energize the whalers. Bet Abe felt a new quite sense of resolve after that phone call.

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Seems there are two main objections to whaling - one concerned with the suffering caused the whales during the hunt and the kill itself, the other to do with sustainability.

So far as the sustainability goes, this is a pretty interesting article - particularly regarding the difficulty of being certain about numbers in the wild.

http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/whale-wars/about-whaling/japanese-whalers-japan-killing-whales-sustainable/

The article also has some interesting figures on the small-scale whaling practised by small populations such as the Inuit.

If I were Abe, I'd also be asking Trudeau some pretty pointed questions about the annual harp seal clubfest.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/04/wildlife-watch-canada-harp-seal-hunt/

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Matt - I believe you are Australian, which would make your commment -

"..I am a Westerner with no history of it in my country...."* appear rather strange.

Australia hunted whales for centuries contributing greatly to some species endangered status.

Was thinking the same thing.

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TrueDough, Mr SJW himself. A pitiful excuse for a leader. Virute signalling his way to sound bites. Having a guy like this on your side is a great way to energize the whalers.

Or virtue signal that you are above this type of thing and instead, browbeat Trudeau for having the courage and conviction to stand up to this cetacean slaughter.

The time of commercial whale-hunting is over. Leave these magnificent beings alone.

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It seems all right that Japan hunts sustainable amount of whales in its EEZ as long as they do't go to Antarctic and Alaska. Norway and Iceland do. Japan seems to have valid data of 3 decades on It can hunt some amount.

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YubaruToday  08:14 am JST

Certain communities, have indeed hunted whales for centuries, but it was not a part of the overall diet of Japan as a whole until following WWII. Japan also did not hunt the souther ocean for whale until the 20th century!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35397749

Nothing like an erroneous belief based upon an erroneous article. Did you bother to read the link I posted? Please google "kujirazuka". It is true that rather than create a nation of fat Japanese loaded with SPAM, GHQ decided to reactivate the Japanese Whaling fleets to put protein into the Japanese diet. However post WWII is not when the consumption of whale meat started.

"A German medical doctor Philipp Franz von Siebold paid attention to the Japanese's love for whale dishes. He came to Japan in 1823 as a medical doctor for a Dutch business house. He wrote "Fauna Japonica" (Record of Japanese Animals) based on his research during his stay in Japan. He wrote the following about the Japanese utilization of whales: "...the right whale's meat is very delicious and it is a major part of the diet. Whalers sell whales to fish wholesalers. People eat the whale's meat, blubber and internal organs and take oil from the inedible parts. All over Japan, people eat whale meat. The taste of the right whale is similar to the bull or the buffalo, and is hard a little. Although they eat both row and salted whale meat, salted meat tastes better. Salted blubber is eaten sliced. Fins can be eaten. The salted blubber can be used as a medicine for chronic diarrhea, and it is effective for stomach ailments and general stomach health. Powdered fin relieves constipation and oil is a medicine for scabies..." He clearly recorded that whale could be used not only as a source of food but also for medicine."

http://luna.pos.to/whale/jwa_trad.html

7 ( +16 / -9 )

..I am a Westerner with no history of it in my country...."* appear rather strange.

Australia hunted whales for centuries contributing greatly to some species endangered status.

Guess I was talking modern era, but correct. Matty wrong.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

@theFu like breaking seals skulls with clubs? that looks very much a "non-factory method"

Sure. But this article is about whaling and what Canada is saying about it.

Taking a whale for food means harpoons, historically. Human bodies are designed to eat meat. There's no getting around that.

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Toasted* your argument is purely emotional, just like your boy T. If anything Japan has been forced to whale only in its own territorial waters which is actually a win. But no, there is zero space to move once you have the ultimate moral high ground to dictate. Please tell the world how we all should live some more.

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The commercial hunts, however, would be limited to Japan's territorial waters, said a top Japanese government spokesman

How long do you think this will last? Two or three years?

@Ossanamerica - Do you actually believe that tabloid rubbish you are quoting? People ‘ate’ whale meat all over Japan in the 70’s and early 80’s because it was force-fed to them in elementary and junior high school lunches. At present, only around 5% of the population eat whale meat and of those only 2.5% eat it regularly (more than twice a month). Go out on the street or ask the people in your office if they eat whale meat and how often. I’ll bet you’ll be lucky to get two positive responses out of a hundred.

-6 ( +9 / -15 )

Canada, Norway, the Faroe Islands, and during some years America, all kill more whales than Japan does.

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Jenna Mary Ellen Kelly - Canada, Norway, the Faroe Islands, and during some years America, all kill more whales than Japan does.

Thats an outlandish claim without any reference to support it. Do you have links to where you gained this information?

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Canada, Norway, the Faroe Islands, and during some years America, all kill more whales than Japan does.

Brilliantly said. Also Green land and Iceland. The difference between all these nations and Japan, is they are white/European. Culture Imperialism and racism is at play, when others bully Japan.

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YubaruToday  07:26 am Jst

Comparing the Japanese to Inuit is a poor comparison, as the Inuit do it to survive, particularly in their harsh environment, and they never take more than they need either and respect the ocean for giving them the whale too!

Oh they dont make any money on it either!

Yes they do.

"A Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society (WDCS) investigation has documented the practice of commercial wholesalers commissioning subsistence whalers to supply the demand by supermarkets. Whale products in Greenland are sold in 4-star hotels."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whale_meat

And as far as "respecting" the ocean, did you look up "kujirazuka"?

5 ( +14 / -9 )

I'm not a proponent of whaling but I am not a Justin Trudeau fan either. The guy has no credibility whatsoever and he has only himself to blame - idiotic comments about "peoplekind," making a complete and utter fool of himself on his visit to India, and so on. He really needs to focus on domestic issues (Alberta energy especially) and mind his own business.

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Bet Funzo was rolling his eyes during this part of their chat.  Trudeau is so lacking in credibility.  I think Japan is ridiculous in its attachment to whaling, but equally don't see that this should be a top priority issue for Wet Justin to bring up.

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Good for Canada. That's leadership. Japanese have moved on from whale meat a long time ago and this would help provide some international cover and incentive for ending it. Of course, downvote all you want (but then run for office).

-3 ( +8 / -11 )

As a Canadian, I really wish Trudeau would focus on important issues that affect Canadians. Instead of trying to prove that he's ultra-progressive.

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The west with their ‘our way of life is best’ mentality on full display.

No just from experience. They almost hunted them to extinction and now realise conservation is moral course of action. Seems Japan are the ones that show "there way or the highway" mentality is whats causing all these problems. Japan pathetic record of ocean conservation and overfishing is proof if that.

3 ( +8 / -5 )

According to a statement from his office, Trudeau said he "raised the important issue of whale conservation and committed to working with international partners to protect whale species."

What I find interesting is this:

-- Abe and Trudeau spoke.

-- The only reason we know they spoke was because Trudeau's office released a statement.

-- While I can't find the actual statement, all reports seem to mention only this one issue.

-- There is no reference to anything else being discussed, although possibly there was.

So, let's see...

-- Are we supposed to believe that these two world leaders spoke by phone and this was the only thing they discussed?!

-- Or were other things discussed and this was covered in the statement from Trudeau's office, but this is the only point that the press has run with in their stories?!

It is all rather strange. Because if this was literally the only thing they discussed, how exactly did this conversation happen?!

Trudeau: Yo, Shinzo, I wanted to call you to specifically discuss this whole Japanese whaling issue.

Abe: You're calling to discuss that? Just that, Justin?? Not TPP, not trade in general, not anything other than that?!

Trudeau: Yup, Shinzo, this is a top top priority for my government, so wanted to talk about it.

Abe: Alrighty, then. Seems weird, but OK, go ahead....

Just very strange that this happened and that there is no broader context to how / why this conversation occurred.

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As a Canadian, I really wish Trudeau would focus on important issues that affect Canadians. Instead of trying to prove that he's ultra-progressive.

I think the ordinary Canadian is starting to see through the gloss to realize there is nothing there and his economic management has been poor.

I'd like to see Jordan Peterson v Justin Trudeau. How epic would that be. Poor ole Justin, floundering for words I imagine.

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As a Canadian, I really wish Trudeau would focus on important issues that affect Canadians. Instead of trying to prove that he's ultra-progressive.

As a Canadian and a human being, this is an issue that affects all humanity.  Just sayin'.

S

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

As a Canadian and a human being, this is an issue that affects all humanity. Just sayin

Thats pretty melodramatic. If theyre responsibly fished and populations are sustained then people eating whales doesn’t impact people who don’t whatsoever.

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There is no country in the developed or less developed world that Actually needs to hunt whales, but the Inuit people's metabolism has adapted over thousands of years to a diet rich in the meat and especially the blubber to provide a full complement of vitamins to maintain health in a part of the world where vegetables are still difficult to grow and land animals difficult or impossible to pasture. Canada is merely championing those of its people with special needs. Japan has no such excuse.

-6 ( +3 / -9 )

 If theyre responsibly fished and populations are sustained then people eating whales doesn’t impact people who don’t whatsoever.

and yet Japan record of ocean conservation and overfishing is your answer.

2 ( +7 / -5 )

There aren't that many whales left in Japan's EEZ, which is much smaller than what Japan claims to be in reality, and whales will be overhunted and its population decrease rapidly to support Japan's commercial whaling industry not satisfied with the previous annual catch of a few hundred whales if the blue fin overfishing by Japan is anything to go by.

So what will Japan do when whales run out of Japan's EEZ in 20 years? Go whaling in the Antarctica again? I wouldn't be shocked Australia will be ready to send warships to detain Japanese pirate whalers in the Antarctica and prosecute them under Australian laws.

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Burning Bush: "Aren't the Inuit also hunting whales and seals?"

Not on a mass-commercial scale and pretending it's for science while going into international waters, no. You also won't find Canadians jump up in faux rage defending the seal hunt or whaling in general Simply because others are against it. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who supports Canada's seal hunt, and most were enraged when a former PM (Harper, I think) did. But once again the argument for the indefensible is Simply, "Well, others are doing it!"

-4 ( +6 / -10 )

Thats pretty melodramatic. If theyre responsibly fished and populations are sustained then people eating whales doesn’t impact people who don’t whatsoever.

Melodramtic indeed.  May I remind you of Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home?  And I quote, "They like you very much, but they are not the hell 'your' whales."

S

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OssanAmerica:

Just in case you think no-one's listening to you on this, I did look up kujirazuka. Whale graves? That's a fascinating and touching story, no matter which side of this debate you're on. I don't know whether you meant the one in Shinagawa, although there are quite a few more in Kyushu. Thanks for that.

The link below goes into more detail about the whale graves in Kyushu, and also places the beginnings of serious whaling in Japan back to the 17th century - although I read something else that said whaling on a lesser scale dates back as far as the 800s AD.

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=3dFBDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA168&lpg=PA168&dq=kujirazuka+whale&source=bl&ots=lvyv3xETie&sig=7I0yuA6BM7LgZy48ovXlbZ1dXpY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiilMz25N_fAhVPO7wKHZDJDo0Q6AEwBnoECAIQAQ#v=onepage&q=kujirazuka%20whale&f=false

Yoiu'd have to say, though, that the respect these people afforded the whales whose deaths saved them from starvation can hardly be replicated in these days of factory ships and quotas in the hundreds.

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Go whaling in the Antarctica again? I wouldn't be shocked Australia will be ready to send warships to detain Japanese pirate whalers in the Antarctica and prosecute them under Australian laws.

The chances of that happening are somewhere between 0 and zero.

Australia won't do anything of that magnitude to offend Japan and what would be many Japanese nationalists I imagine for two reasons

1) Second largest trade partner and a massive buyer of Australia's key exports, including major stack holder in the worlds largest gas project.

2) Quad

3) America

3 ( +7 / -4 )

Trudeau is probably upset because Japan is not viewing hunting through his "gender lens." As bad as Trump's reputation is, the idiocy that comes out of the Trudeau government is worse.

1 ( +8 / -7 )

Mind your own business, Trudeau.

-1 ( +9 / -10 )

Everybody should.

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

Good for you, a man with integrity!

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

Which one is Abe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78YWVaBUmuY

0 ( +0 / -0 )

TRudeau should be campaigning to change their names also.  Isn't "sperm whale" a bit chauvinistic?  And how about Right Whale - a bit elitist or maybe even fascist?   Longman's Beaked Whale - surely Longperson's Beaked Whale?

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@theFu

If Japan hunted whales in Japanese waters using non-factory methods, the international out cry would be far less. Actually, I'd cheer for Japanese whaling from small boats near their shores where a community comes together to take a whale to be shared throughout the town.

I doubt that very much... it would be seen as even more barbaric.

A modern 21st century country should not be hunting whales and slaughtering dolphins in the name of 'culture'... that applies to Norway and Iceland as well as Japan. They are doing it purely to stick two fingers up at the countries criticising them, there can't be any other reason than that. No-one eats the bloody stuff...

You know what really gets me though? It's that some people see whales as product rather than a highly intelligent wild animal that should be left alone. We're killing them through pollution, why heap even more misery on the poor buggers by chasing them and slowly, painfully killing them?

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Good point @thunderbird2

At what point of intelligence do we lose respect, or the ability to kill humanely (sic), surely the size and society of Whales is indicative of deep pain and memory.

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Don't entirely disagree, Thunder.  but many other creatures that we happily eat have feelings, are intelligent, mourn the loss of family members etc.  Even octopiiiii.

Do we all go vegetarian?

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Do we all go vegetarian?

I realise you're being rhetorical, but...

Yes?

Please?

-7 ( +0 / -7 )

Readers, back on topic please.

Please tell the world how we all should live some more.

Sure, don't be someone who eats whales. You don't need to eat endangered species to survive, right?

-4 ( +1 / -5 )

BigYenToday  01:11 pm JST

OssanAmerica:

Just in case you think no-one's listening to you on this, I did look up kujirazuka. Whale graves? That's a fascinating and touching story, no matter which side of this debate you're on. I don't know whether you meant the one in Shinagawa, although there are quite a few more in Kyushu. Thanks for that.

The link below goes into more detail about the whale graves in Kyushu, and also places the beginnings of serious whaling in Japan back to the 17th century - although I read something else that said whaling on a lesser scale dates back as far as the 800s AD.

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=3dFBDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA168&lpg=PA168&dq=kujirazuka+whale&source=bl&ots=lvyv3xETie&sig=7I0yuA6BM7LgZy48ovXlbZ1dXpY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiilMz25N_fAhVPO7wKHZDJDo0Q6AEwBnoECAIQAQ#v=onepage&q=kujirazuka%20whale&f=false

Yoiu'd have to say, though, that the respect these people afforded the whales whose deaths saved them from starvation can hardly be replicated in these days of factory ships and quotas in the 

I raised the topic of Kujirazuka mainly to show that the belief held by some anti-whalers that the Japanese did not hunt and eat whale until after WWII is a total fallacy. A tradition did exist and these monuments were built to express gratitude and pray for the souls of the whales, something that is alien in concept to the Western nations that brought global whale stocks to the point of collapse for the blubber, throwing the meat overboard as useless.

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@OssanAmerica,

One of the few on JT who actually knows his stuff; always a pleasure to read your posts.

Please, keep up the good work in bringing sense to some insane "logic", as displayed by most of the so-called JT "experts".

Btw, never eaten but would gladly sink my canines on a juicy whale stake; given a chance of course.

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@Matt Hartwell

Australia won't do anything of that magnitude to offend Japan and what would be many Japanese nationalists I imagine for two reasons

1) Second largest trade partner and a massive buyer of Australia's key exports, including major stack holder in the worlds largest gas project.

Japan of 2039 won't be like Japan of 2019, which isn't like Japan of 1999.

Japan is an aging, declining country rapidly falling off the ranking of international influences.

If Japan were to return to the Antarctica for whaling after a 20 year hiatus in 2039, the outrage would be far more greater in Australia which would have grown far more environmentalist than it is today by then. So in fact the probability of a police action against Japanese pirate whaling ships is better than 50% in 2039.

@Peeping_Tom

One of the few on JT who actually knows his stuff

Why did you get such an idea?

-5 ( +1 / -6 )

"Why did you get such an idea?"

Could it be because he's not making insane statements, such as this:

"I wouldn't be shocked Australia will be ready to send warships to detain Japanese pirate whalers in the Antarctica and prosecute them under Australian laws."

Or maybe because he knows that Australia's sovereignty rights stop at Australia's borders, not at Antarctica?

Perhaps, because he know that 50 years from now Australia will still be much smaller than Japan is now, stagnant economy and all that?

6 ( +6 / -0 )

Clarification: jurisdictional rights, not sovereign.

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Canada, Norway, the Faroe Islands, and during some years America, all kill more whales than Japan does.

https://us.whales.org/whaling-facts

According to that link, for 2016, here are the tallied whale killings by country:

0 Canada 46 Iceland (huge drop that year) 59 America 122 Russia 390 Japan 590 Norway

Didn't list them all and don't know how honest the numbers are.

Many species of whale are not endangered. I'd rather see 100% protection of bluefin tuna which are endangered than sea mammals that are not. Priorities.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

It is done as part of a cultural tradition - and also largely because whale meat provides high amounts of protein and fat .

> They use other parts, as well for tools, etc.

And don't forget the meat sold to tourists and the other commercial uses the whales are put to.

Comparing the Japanese to Inuit is a poor comparison

That isn't the comparison. The comparison is one country that already left the IWC and issues its own permits to hunt whales, Canada, versus another country planning on leaving the IWC and issuing its own permits, Japan.

If you must eat whalemeat, find one that had washed ashore and died naturally.

So, rotting meat that possible has disease or parasites?

not satisfied with the previous annual catch of a few hundred whales if the blue fin overfishing by Japan is anything to go by.

Bluefin have an almost unlimited demand, at the very least a large unmet demand. While, as people keep pointing out, whales have a small demand that is being fully met. So, there is no incentive to commercially catch more whales than at present while there is a huge incentive to catch more bluefin.

 I wouldn't be shocked Australia will be ready to send warships to detain Japanese pirate whalers in the Antarctica and prosecute them under Australian laws.

They wouldn't be pirate whalers and Australian laws don't apply to the waters around Antarctica except maybe a 12 nm band along the coast of their claim where whaling generally would occur due to ice conditions.

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