After dangerous encounters, U.S. accuses China of military 'aggressiveness'

Kirby is absolutely, 100% right. The rules of who should give way at sea are crystal clear.

The pot calls the kettle black!

Look I don't really care much for The CCP, but lets be honest.

If China sent a taskforce to play games just of of the California cost, do you think the USA would just stay away?

Some relevant background to this issue: The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (LOSC), states that passage is considered innocent as long as “it is not prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal State.” The LOSC specifies twelve actions that are classified as non-innocent, such as the use or threat of force, military exercises involving weapons, etc. But disagreements remains regarding the interpretation of "innocent passage" concerning warships. Unsurprisingly, the US and the UK interpret it as allowing warships to engage in innocent passage as long as they adhere to the explicitly listed twelve conditions of non-innocence. However, several nations, including China, argue that warships, due to their military nature and the fact that they carry weapons, inherently pose a threat to the security of coastal states. Therefore, they argue, warships are inherently non-innocent.

Last year China and Russia made war games off the coast of Alaska. The Strait of Taiwan and the South China Sea have international shipping lanes that must be kept open.

 "Air and maritime intercepts happen all the time. Heck, we do it. The difference is ... when we feel like we need to do it, it's done professionally."

So it’s just a matter of style. Nothing here. Slow news day.

This would not be a thing if China never indicated they were going to take Taiwan by force. Remember that.

This would not be a thing if China never indicated they were going to take Taiwan by force. Remember that.

I don't remember that and neither do you. China said that they will not rule out the use of force, which means, if Taiwan declares independence, they will respond. If not, the status quo show goes on. My take is that China will not invade Taiwan, it wants to develop and trade, and so it's all much ado about the US.

What is the US navy doing so very close to Chinese territory, oh yeah, that's right, provocation.

AntiquesavingToday 07:52 am JST

Look I don't really care much for The CCP, but lets be honest.

If China sent a taskforce to play games just of of the California cost, do you think the USA would just stay away?

We would follow and make sure they stay the correct distance like any civilized country. What makes you think that includes cutting in front of something?

The US sails its warships to the other side of the globe, run military drills off the shores of their country then call them aggressive? Think how ridiculous that is. Both need to chill. Behaving like Japan and Korea now.

TaiwanIsNotChina

Today 08:49 am JST

AntiquesavingToday 07:52 am JST

> Look I don't really care much for The CCP, but lets be honest.

> If China sent a taskforce to play games just of of the California cost, do you think the USA would just stay away?

> We would follow and make sure they stay the correct distance like any civilized country. What makes you think that includes cutting in front of something?

Well funny it isn't what the USA has done in the past!

The USA regularly buzzes other countries holding military exercises.

151EToday 08:00 am JST

Some relevant background to this issue: The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (LOSC), states that passage is considered innocent as long as “it is not prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal State.” The LOSC specifies twelve actions that are classified as non-innocent, such as the use or threat of force, military exercises involving weapons, etc. But disagreements remains regarding the interpretation of "innocent passage" concerning warships. Unsurprisingly, the US and the UK interpret it as allowing warships to engage in innocent passage as long as they adhere to the explicitly listed twelve conditions of non-innocence. However, several nations, including China, argue that warships, due to their military nature and the fact that they carry weapons, inherently pose a threat to the security of coastal states. Therefore, they argue, warships are inherently non-innocent.

That only applies to the territorial sea that extends to 12 nautical miles from the shore. International waters are international waters.

The Chinese Navy may not like Canadian and American navy vessels transiting through the Taiwan Strait, but it is an international waterway so they need to behave professionally. I would like to think it's some rogue captain doing dumb stuff, but it's hard to say given the heated environment.

This kind of behavior may play well domestically, but internationally it will have the opposite effect.

What ol' Jack Burton always saysToday 08:54 am JST

The USA loves to encourage conflict by staging a military exercise right close to other countries sovereign borders.

Lets not forget that China claims Taiwan as its territory which the USA supposedly acknowledged

So by staging military exercises within the Taiwan Strait is just making matters worse.

It wasn't just a freedom of navigation mission.

Here are some FACTS for you Jack Burton:

The Taiwan Strait is 100 miles wide, which leaves 76 miles to sail outside of the territorial waters of both the PRC and and Taiwan.

It was a navigation exercise, not a shooting exercise. The ships were just sailing until proof is provided otherwise.

I'm sorry the PRC has hurt feelings but it has had 75 YEARS to get used to the fact that it doesn't control Taiwan.

It was just a freedom of navigation mission.

Lets not forget that China claims Taiwan as its territory which the USA supposedly acknowledged

China will eventually call the US out on this. Right now it is exercising patience. The US military depends on China, that is why it will not decouple. It is such a crucial part of the US supply chain, including military supply chains. China could strangle the US not to mention it has the manufacturing capacity to outlast the US in case of war. Building ships, tanks, planes, missiles and mass producing is China's forte. Where are the missiles the US promised that Taiwan has purchased and paid for? The reason the US Navy is not larger is not because of the budget but the US manfufacturing capacity.

@What ol' Jack Burton always saysToday 09:05 am JST

Correct - 'will not rule out the use of force'

Xi also set a timeline of 2027 to be ready to retake the island. Why would he set a timeline if it is just a defensive plan?

"We are the best in the world, we are invincible, don't get in the way, we always win, we have Rambo, Arnold, the Avengers and the Biker Mice from Mars!!!...

Decadent bunch of crybaby losers, LOOOOOL !!!...

Common sense says you play around in my vicinity expect a response.

John Kirby's facial expression of shock and alarm is priceless.

I don't remember that and neither do you. China said that they will not rule out the use of force, which means, if Taiwan declares independence, they will respond. If not, the status quo show goes on. My take is that China will not invade Taiwan, it wants to develop and trade, and so it's all much ado about the US.

I remember when Russians assured us that there couldn't possibly be an invasion of Ukraine. Forgive us if we don't trust you farther than we can throw you, which with China's 1.4 billion pound weight is not very far.

China will eventually call the US out on this.

How are they going to call the US out without doing an invasion? Cut off trade? Many of us in the US would like to see that and it would tank China's economy as well while they look for new buyers.

Right now it is exercising patience. The US military depends on China, that is why it will not decouple. It is such a crucial part of the US supply chain, including military supply chains. China could strangle the US not to mention it has the manufacturing capacity to outlast the US in case of war. Building ships, tanks, planes, missiles and mass producing is China's forte.

Yeah cardboard ships by US military standards. You haven't seen us in a conventional war if you plan is to wait us out while taking huge damage to China's major cities.

Where are the missiles the US promised that Taiwan has purchased and paid for? The reason the US Navy is not larger is not because of the budget but the US manfufacturing capacity.

Again, it was explained why US ships take longer to construct: so they don't sink under gunfire. China's manufacturing ain't so scary as we can see by their 1 1/2 aircraft carriers.

LegrandeToday 09:10 am JST

Common sense says you play around in my vicinity expect a response.

Yeah but it has got to be a legal response or China is just a petulant manbaby.

Last year China and Russia made war games off the coast of Alaska. The Strait of Taiwan and the South China Sea have international shipping lanes that must be kept open

Someone always manages to trot out this gem without mentioning that not only is Alaska not connected directly to the continental US (Canadian provinces are), Russia is actually closer to Alaska, being only 55 miles away.

If the US really wanted to de-escalate tensions with China it would not be sailing through the Taiwan strait. Good on the Chinese for having the guts to stand up to the US most of the rest of the world would not. I see that Germany now believes that it needs to send a warship to the Indo Pacific, this is becoming farcical, whose next Iceland ???

In 2001, a U.S. spy plane made an emergency landing on China's Hainan island after a collision with a Chinese fighter jet, whose pilot died.

The USA is funny complaining about China.

Unless something changed, I don't see the USA territory near this, the same for the black Sea nowhere near the USA but for some reason USA military planes and ships always seem to be involved in some sort of incidents near these other countries territory.

And then complain that the other country is at fault,

It also follows a May 26 incident in which a Chinese fighter jet carried out what the United States called an "unnecessarily aggressive" maneuver near an American military plane over the South China Sea in international airspace.

An American military plane over the South China Sea isn't an "unnecessarily aggressive" maneuver?

No? It's international waters you say?

How about a Chinese fighter jet off the Hawaiian Islands or the coast of California?

The US is clearly trying to provoke China here. I'm American. It's wrong.

International waters

A lot of you people seething about America apparently have horrible reading comprehension. They were in international waters, not Chinese waters. Cope and seethe

@yokohamaridesToday 10:23 am JST

It also follows a May 26 incident in which a Chinese fighter jet carried out what the United States called an "unnecessarily aggressive" maneuver near an American military plane over the South China Sea in international airspace.

An American military plane over the South China Sea isn't an "unnecessarily aggressive" maneuver?

No? It's international waters you say?

How about a Chinese fighter jet off the Hawaiian Islands or the coast of California?

The US is clearly trying to provoke China here. I'm American. It's wrong.

You do know that China sent a spy balloon OVER the United States, right?

@LegrandeToday 09:28 am JST

Last year China and Russia made war games off the coast of Alaska. The Strait of Taiwan and the South China Sea have international shipping lanes that must be kept open

Someone always manages to trot out this gem without mentioning that not only is Alaska not connected directly to the continental US (Canadian provinces are), Russia is actually closer to Alaska, being only 55 miles away.

And this is relevant how? Are you trying to convince americans that they need to resist Russia by implying sales can be renegotiated and Russia needs more continents?

stop provoke China and go back home so there is guarantee that no chinese planes or vessels will "disturb" you.

just have a quick look at map and get your place and go back to your place/position in this multipolar world.

I could say the same thing w.r.t. to Russia and Ukraine and Russia is NOT a pole.

You do know that China sent a spy balloon OVER the United States, right?

Funny but we never heard any updates after the USA said the balloon had " multiple antennas" wait weather ballons have what?

Oh right multiple antennas.

If these were really spy ballons by now the USA would have made a far bigger push to tell the public but since February nothing!

And sending a spy ballons or a spy satellite like the USA is very different than sending military jets like the USA is doing.

Xi Jinping has reiterated China's commitment to the "One China" principle, which asserts that there is only one China, of which Taiwan is an integral part.

He has stated that reunification between the Chinese mainland and Taiwan is an inevitable trend and that China reserves the right to use all necessary means to achieve reunification.

And this means by force is included.

While some of you cannot read between the lines, America can.

If these were really spy ballons by now the USA would have made a far bigger push to tell the public but since February nothing!

It was literally confirmed to have been transmitting information about U.S. military bases to Beijing

And sending a spy ballons or a spy satellite like the USA is very different than sending military jets like the USA is doing.

When did the US send a military jet into Chinese airspace? Oh they didn’t. The US has every right to be in international airspace and waters. China has no right to be in US airspace

You do know that China sent a spy balloon OVER the United States, right?

You do know the threat difference between a probably blown off course hunk of metal that may or may not have been used for spying, and warships and warplanes, right ?

You do know the threat difference between a probably blown off course hunk of metal that may or may not have been used for spying, and warships and warplanes, right ?

You do know the threat difference between international waters and sovereign airspace, right?

International waters is international waters. Is there a way we can explain this simplistically for a few of you? Waters that are for international use by all.

China had better back off from its aggressiveness. If events turn to war, it would be absolutely screwed.

These people live in a fantasy world where NATO doesn’t exist and every other Asian country wouldn’t jump at the chance to blockade China into starvation

Xavier

Today 11:37 am JST

And how would this manufacturing capacity fare in wartime, under massive international sanctions, and a blockade of the First Island Chain and the Malacca Strait?

That is funny, Russia is the most sanctioned country ever, seems to be holding out quite well, now you think doing the same to China would work! Seriously.

All that will happen is Russia and China will team up Russia has all the resources China could need and China all the manufacturing capacity Russia would need.

This is not 1940s the USA and most western countries have a manufacturing sector left.

And if anyone thinks the world other than the USA, Canada UK and EU would go along with sanctions on China I again point to Russia, with Africa, Asia, south america, the middle east all not following sanctions and only trickery, threats, blackmail etc..has to USA been able to slow dealing with Russia.

Pie in the sky thinking.

Somewhat reminiscent of the mad scramble of European powers to carve up Asia. Germany did have concessions in China. Austria even got a tiny sliver. Let's add in Portugal, Russia, France and England of course.

 I see that Germany now believes that it needs to send a warship to the Indo Pacific, this is becoming farcical, whose next Iceland ???

You do know that the USA (and USA supported ROC) routinely flew U-2s OVER China, right? Oh, and let's not forget training and arming guerrilla fighters that were dropped INTO Southwest China and Tibet. Read some history, young Padawan and stay away from the keyboard for a minute or two.

You do know that China sent a spy balloon OVER the United States, right?

That is funny, Russia is the most sanctioned country ever, seems to be holding out quite well, now you think doing the same to China would work! Seriously.

Russia and China are two entirely different things. Russia is a massive exporter of energy, China is a massive exporter of what? Cheap plastic goods? China imports the majority of their food and any type of armed conflict would put them in conflict with not only NATO but also pretty much every other Asian country that Chinese aggression has driven into alliances with America. Where will they get their food?

All that will happen is Russia and China will team up Russia has all the resources China could need and China all the manufacturing capacity Russia would need.

in what fantasy world would this happen? Why would Russia want to engage in conflict with NATO for China of all countries? If anything Russia would have every reason to stay out of it as NATO being redirected towards China would take resources away from the defense of Ukraine. There’s absolutely no reason Russia would jump in to a direct conflict with NATO for China.

And if anyone thinks the world other than the USA, Canada UK and EU would go along with sanctions on China I again point to Russia, with Africa, Asia, south america, the middle east all not following sanctions and only trickery, threats, blackmail etc..has to USA been able to slow dealing with Russia.

What? You said yourself earlier that Russia is the most sanctioned country in the world, and that was for a relatively irrelevant country like Ukraine. Somehow you think that the rest of the world isn’t going to massively sanction a country that’s in open conflict with the US, Europe, and most of Asia?

You do know that the USA (and USA supported ROC) routinely flew U-2s OVER China, right?

The last recorded U2 flight over China was 50 years ago.

and let's not forget training and arming guerrilla fighters that were dropped INTO Southwest China and Tibet.

You mean in the 1950s? Over 70 years ago? This is embarrassing you know you’ve lost when you have to reach back at least 50 years to find a justification for your countries infantile behavior.

The last recorded U2 flight over China was 50 years ago.

US military planes other than the U2 currently fly reconnaissance missions gathering info on China, so your insinuation that the US no longer engages in these activities regarding China is totally false.

US military planes other than the U2 currently fly reconnaissance missions gathering info on China, so your insinuation that the US no longer engages in these activities regarding China is totally false.

Nice try with the clever wording, but please post proof that the US is currently flying reconnaissance missions IN Chinese airspace. There’s nothing illegal with the US flying reconnaissance missions within international airspace. All countries do this.

JboneInTheZone

Today 12:14 pm JST

I think you need to get into the 21st century China is no longer the "cheap plastic goods" exporter you claim. It also doesn't import the majority of its food.

To be exact look around you and try and find something not made in China! Your car, many Major parts made in China, your refrigerator, washing machine, computer, cellphone, TV even major part for commercial jets all made in China.

As for food China produces more than enough food to feed it's people but as younger generations want more variation China now imports different food and exports what used to be consumed locally from its production.

Russia doesn't just produce oil and can supply China in war with a large quantity of gains.

I don't know what world you are describing but it isn't the one we presently live in.

China is an ally of Russia, we don't like anything claimed by U.S. and we see the Ukraine war was inflicted by US sponsored eastward expansion. Btw. China shall never condemn or enable sanction over Chosen(DPRK), enough said already about Chinese stance!

China shall never condemn or enable sanction over Chosen(DPRK), enough said already about Chinese stance!

China was embargoed for over twenty years. Cuba is still embargoed now some 65 years. The US is in the business of sanctioning countries. They are thinking "what were we thinking when we outsourced to China?"

Nice try with the clever wording, but please post proof that the US is currently flying reconnaissance missions IN Chinese airspace. There’s nothing illegal with the US flying reconnaissance missions within international airspace. All countries do this.

The US claims they were flying in international space but they didn't provide the evidence, the coordinates. We know why they didn't provide that. On the other hand the Chinese responded because it was in Chinese airspace.

You have no evidence that you the US was flying over international airspace other than that the US claims they were flying in international airspace. Can you post proof that the US is flying in international airspace?

Xavier

Today 02:46 pm JST

Between 2000 and 2020, the country’s food self-sufficiency ratio decreased from 93.6 percent to 65.8 percent.

Nice try, great selective edit.

You forgot the rest

Due to changing eating habits!

Yes as I said China it exporting what was previously eating locally but importing to meet growing demand for more diverse choises.

In the period you so nearly edited to look as you want it to, China's export of food tripled.

This is why stats are only good if the full context is included.

And then there is the fact, much of China's food imports are for processing to them export with value added.

You know those peach cans, all the frozen foods all those frozen vegetables, fish ect...you find at every supermarket!

But nice try.

As for India, sorry it may have a problem with China on one border but if China goes for Taiwan India will not do anything because it has similar claims with neighbours and views Taiwan as part of China.

You are not even in the correct century, your idea that China has only cheap plastic stuff clearly showed that.

China exhausted from civil was antiquated weapons, nearly drove the USA and allies into the sea in Korea, the western alliance barely held and could at best hold to the pre war status Quo.

Today it can still field a larger Army with high tech equipment and a lot more guns.you should look up how many artillery pieces, self-propelled guns tanks etc... China has then compare to the USA and remember, their home turf, USA, Australia NZ will have very long supply line to try and keep up.

@Xavier

You love to read these Harlequin Romance articles. They are propaganda, but go ahead and indulge.

China’s Xi Jinping Powers Ahead with Production of Warships, Building Them So Fast The World Can't Keep Up

Story by Richard Burkard • Yesterday 11:00 PM

If there’s an arms race at sea, China currently is winning.

The U.S. Defense Department’s own numbers support that view. It estimates China has around 340 warships, while the U.S. number is below 300.

On top of that, the Defense Department warns that China is building new ships faster than the U.S. is. Beijing could have 400 warships by 2025, an increase of 60.

But the U.S. may need more than 20 years to build 50 more ships. In other words, according to CNN, the Chinese can build three warships in the time it takes the U.S. to build one.

If that’s not enough, the Global Firepower website says Russia and North Korea also have stronger Navy fleets than the U.S.

“We do not seek conflict or confrontation,” U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told a meeting in Singapore Saturday. “But we will not flinch in the face of bullying or coercion.”

This statement makes the US look rather weak. Austin is not very smart. Who would have thought the US is being bullied by China. The world will look more towards China than the US.

Countries are not attracted to those that are bullied or those who are in debt. A country that is weak and poor is not going to lead the world.

@quercetumToday 03:16 pm JST

“We do not seek conflict or confrontation,” U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told a meeting in Singapore Saturday. “But we will not flinch in the face of bullying or coercion.”

You would have preferred Austin to say "We will destroy you, China!". Come on. The US is the adult and China is the oversized baby.

Countries are not attracted to those that are bullied or those who are in debt. A country that is weak and poor is not going to lead the world.

I agree and this is why China will not lead the world. It will grow old before it grows rich, that is for certain.

China exhausted from civil was antiquated weapons, nearly drove the USA and allies into the sea in Korea, the western alliance barely held and could at best hold to the pre war status Quo.

That's still a loss for China because the intent was complete takeover by the China's criminal buddies.

Today it can still field a larger Army with high tech equipment and a lot more guns.you should look up how many artillery pieces, self-propelled guns tanks etc... China has then compare to the USA and remember, their home turf, USA, Australia NZ will have very long supply line to try and keep up.

I hope your million soldiers can swim 100 miles without rest. You still seem to fail to grasp the geographic realities here.

@elephant200Today 01:50 pm JST

China is an ally of Russia, we don't like anything claimed by U.S. and we see the Ukraine war was inflicted by US sponsored eastward expansion.

Sorry, no amount of sticking your fingers in your ears will make it not Putin's war.

Btw. China shall never condemn or enable sanction over Chosen(DPRK), enough said already about Chinese stance!

So in violation of the UNSC then. Maybe that is why China keeps finding itself on sanctions lists and its businesspeople charged with crimes.

As I say, how would its industrial capacity do in wartime? And even if they have a lot of ships, what about food, materials, fuel, spare parts etc.? War would be far more difficult for China than the allies.

My point is that these are written to make you think China is building up, the US better spend more on defense. It’s propaganda.

That's still a loss for China because the intent was complete takeover by the China's criminal buddies

Nice revisionist history.

Some relevant background to this issue: The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (LOSC), states that passage is considered innocent as long as “it is not prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal State.” The LOSC specifies twelve actions that are classified as non-innocent, such as the use or threat of force, military exercises involving weapons, etc. But disagreements remains regarding the interpretation of "innocent passage" concerning warships. Unsurprisingly, the US and the UK interpret it as allowing warships to engage in innocent passage as long as they adhere to the explicitly listed twelve conditions of non-innocence. However, several nations, including China, argue that warships, due to their military nature and the fact that they carry weapons, inherently pose a threat to the security of coastal states. Therefore, they argue, warships are inherently non-innocent

The US has not ratified The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (unclos), doesn't apply to them

The US claims they were flying in international space but they didn't provide the evidence, the coordinates. We know why they didn't provide that. On the other hand the Chinese responded because it was in Chinese airspace. 

In the civilized world the burden of proof lies upon the party doing the accusations. If you think the US was acting foully, prove it. The burden of proof isn’t placed upon the accused

You have no evidence that you the US was flying over international airspace other than that the US claims they were flying in international airspace. Can you post proof that the US is flying in international airspace?

Again, prove that they were flying in Chinese airspace. China is making the accusation that the U.S. is flying in their airspace so prove it. The backwards Chinese mentality of “guilty until proven innocent” doesn’t apply to the global stage

we are invincible,

Not invincible, no nation is, not even China.

don't get in the way, we always win, we have Rambo, Arnold, the Avengers and the Biker Mice from Mars!!!...

Great movies, movies that China wants but can't create.

Decadent bunch of crybaby losers, LOOOOOL !!!...

Decadent is correct! Then China shouldn't try and pick a fight with everyone.

The US has not ratified The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (unclos), doesn't apply to them

Nobody is saying it does. China doesn't get to magically stop following the rules because it encounters a US ship in international waters.

Nice revisionist history.

I know you don't like facts, but the fact is that the North attempted a takeover of the South and it failed. That is a loss for the North. In any event, China also lost to Vietnam so even China's sparse war record is pretty miserable.

Nobody is saying it does. China doesn't get to magically stop following the rules because it encounters a US ship in international waters.

China says it is following the rules.

And the US is claiming rights based on a law it didnt even ratify.

China says it is following the rules.

And your eyeballs tell you that is not the case.

And the US is claiming rights based on a law it didnt even ratify.

And that is irrelevant here because the US knows what rules China (and unofficially the US) is supposed to obey.

(and unofficially the US) is supposed to obey.

Lol what does that mean?

Lol what does that mean?

It means that even criminal China cannot expect a violation from the US side because these are longstanding maritime traditions. It does not mean China gets to change its behavior based on who it is encountering in International Waters.

And your eyeballs tell you that is not the case.

Lol and what does that mean?

I think you need to get into the 21st century China is no longer the "cheap plastic goods" exporter you claim. It also doesn't import the majority of its food.

This is a blatant lie. Between 2003 and 2017, China's food imports grew from just $14 billion to $104.6 billion and it currently the largest importer of agricultural products in the world

To be exact look around you and try and find something not made in China! Your car, many Major parts made in China, your refrigerator, washing machine, computer, cellphone, TV even major part for commercial jets all made in China.

The west could easily move manufacturing the other countries which at this point would be cheaper and more efficient. The bottom line is that the west loses some manufacturing if they go to war with China whereas China loses its food trading partners and would essentially starve.

As for food China produces more than enough food to feed it's people but as younger generations want more variation China now imports different food and exports what used to be consumed locally from its production.

Not true at all, and if war was to suddenly breakout China doesn’t have the agricultural infrastructure currently in place to replace all the food they import within such a short period of time. Millions would starve before they could begin producing enough on their own

Russia doesn't just produce oil and can supply China in war with a large quantity of gains.

Like what? Are you forgetting that Russia is already in a massive conflict themselves? Why would they want to waste their resources supplying China when they have nothing to gain and everything to lose (more sanctions, potential conflict with NATO, etc.)

@quercetum What we do know is that the U-2s were flying low enough for a few to get shot down by Chinese anti-aircraft missiles.

The U-2 has a long and storied history when it comes to espionage battles between the US and China. In the 1960s and 1970s, at least five of them were shot down while on surveillance missions over China.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/10/asia/china-us-taiwan-spy-plane-squadron-history-intl-hnk-ml/index.html

Said no respected historian ever. China sees Korea as a loyal buffer state. Nothing more.

That's still a loss for China because the intent was complete takeover by the China's criminal buddies.

deanzaZZRToday  03:39 am JST

Said no respected historian ever. China sees Korea as a loyal buffer state. Nothing more. 

That's still a loss for China because the intent was complete takeover by the China's criminal buddies.

I see I see. Nice moving the goal posts there but it still was not a win for China which would have been happy with the full peninsula. Not every war is going to be a win, like China being thrown out of Vietnam, for example.

To put it another way: this is not a complete disavowal of NK's actions before the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War#Prelude_towar(1950)

Oh wah wah wah, CCP. Stop your sobbing. It's neutral waters.

TaiwanisChina..

That only applies to the territorial sea that extends to 12 nautical miles from the shore. International waters are international waters.

So please remember this when it is Chinese ships in international waters!

So please remember this when it is Chinese ships in international waters!

If that ship obeys common sense right of way rules that have been established for hundreds of years, sure!

Michael Machida

This would not be a thing if China never indicated they were going to take Taiwan by force. Remember that.

That comment would make sense if the US actually recognized Taiwan as an independent country. But they do NOT, ever since Nixon signed the "one china policy" in 1979. So the US is trying to having it both ways... on one hand profitably outsourcing cheap production to the CCP and on the other hand arming Taiwan as a vassal state. This contradiction had to erupt eventually. Remember that.