Biden meets South Korea, Japan leaders for pre-Trump talks on risk

Business can still be done as 47 will be too distracted with domestic problems and Ukraine to worry about Japan/SK.

TaiwanIsNotChinaToday 06:36 am JST

Business can still be done as 47 will be too distracted with domestic problems and Ukraine to worry about Japan/SK.

nevertheless, trump will still send a warning shot across the bow to keep all on edge and to let them know he has them in his sights! but you're spot on, this time trump needs some friends on his side cause he's sure to make a lot more enemies this time round.

Biden meets South Korea, Japan leaders for pre-Trump talks on risk

There's no risk, only reality, just need to face it.

I hope both Japan and South Korea work equally hard on their diplomatic relations with China frankly, possibly together. If they are meeting the US President together, they most certainly should also meet with Xi Jinping in the same fashion. Trump will come and go, but the regional relationships between China, SK and Japan is millennial and should be carefully and maturely curated by statesmen who don't flinch at the meddling of Johnny-come-latelys.

These historical and cultural powerhouses of Asia need to better understand and value their mutual similarities, connections and social value on the world stage, and not be divided and fractured by the manipulation of others. I'd prefer to see these countries really push for regional unity and mutual value and respect, regardless of how other 'invested' parties may feel about that.

xi will be grinning, knowing that trump announced to all potential adversaries that the u.s. military will be in disarray for years, experienced leaders thrown out for politics, and run by a guy who was in the bottom 10% of officers who only made it to o-4 after 20 years.

he’ll be licking his chops for taiwan sooner instead of later. and when he does make his move, japan and korea will watch as u.s. forces stand around and watch it happen.

they’ll finally learn that the political winds in washington are variable. and the u.s. will pull out from korea and japan when things start to look dicey for either.

the u.s. will “unsign” those “reliable ally” papers.

TamaramaToday  07:18 am JST

These historical and cultural powerhouses of Asia need to better understand and value their mutual similarities, connections and social value on the world stage, and not be divided and fractured by the manipulation of others. I'd prefer to see these countries really push for regional unity and mutual value and respect

This argument would have value if China (PRC) was not a one party authoritarian dictatorship bent on regional domination, in conflict with the peaceful democratic societies of Japan South Korea....and Taiwan. This is where "mutual value and respect" goes down the drain.

he’ll be licking his chops for taiwan sooner instead of later. and when he does make his move, japan and korea will watch as u.s. forces stand around and watch it happen.

Im not sure what universe you live in to come to the conclusion that Xi is more likely to have a run at Taiwan under Trump. Look at the speed of his announcements within a week of the election, and look at who he has lined up! The Peace through Power strategy is gunna be very, very real.

Well known China hawks on the new team, so there’s that too.

Business can still be done as 47 will be too distracted with domestic problems and Ukraine to worry about Japan/SK

He’s not worried about Ukraine, he’s focused on the U.S. and getting his cabinet into order to hit the ground running by 1/20

The US, even under a Trump administration is not going to be ending the US/SK and US/JPN security alliances. Doing so would remove a major leverage the US has in dealing with Chinese expansion. The US position towards China as an identified adversary is Bipartisan. But agree it would be Xi's dream scenario.

xi will be grinning, knowing that trump announced to all potential adversaries that the u.s. military will be in disarray for years,

It won’t be in disarray, the hardware, and the basic military infrastructure and men will be in place, but all the entrenched woke and Pre-cold war thinking Washington establishment swamp rats.

experienced leaders thrown out for politics,

Yes, thankfully, we have a President and don’t need independent thinking “yes, men”

and run by a guy who was in the bottom 10% of officers who only made it to o-4 after 20 years.

Fresh blood is good, needed and with the thousands of experienced generals across the U.S. that will gladly fall in line and execute orders based on need and necessity and not by political ideology.

he’ll be licking his chops for taiwan sooner instead of later.

He can do that, and Taiwan has a lot of battle tested and proven US military hardware

and when he does make his move, japan and korea will watch as u.s. forces stand around and watch it happen.

We can help both countries without sending thousands of ground troops.

they’ll finally learn that the political winds in washington are variable. and the u.s. will pull out from korea and japan when things start to look dicey for either.

That won’t happen, but at the same time, putting Americans in unnecessary harms way won’t happen

the u.s. will “unsign” those “reliable ally” papers.

No, that will never happen. There are ways of fighting a war in a smart and strategic way, and not in an emotional way.

If by power you mean ideologues, spot on.

The Peace through Power strategy

I hope both Japan and South Korea work equally hard on their diplomatic relations with China frankly, possibly together. If they are meeting the US President together, they most certainly should also meet with Xi Jinping in the same fashion. Trump will come and go, but the regional relationships between China, SK and Japan is millennial and should be carefully and maturely curated by statesmen who don't flinch at the meddling of Johnny-come-latelys.

These historical and cultural powerhouses of Asia need to better understand and value their mutual similarities, connections and social value on the world stage, and not be divided and fractured by the manipulation of others. I'd prefer to see these countries really push for regional unity and mutual value and respect, regardless of how other 'invested' parties may feel about that.

A splendid idea, especially considering the USA may well not exist in its current state 100 or 200 years hence, whereas China, Japan and Korea certainly will. However, independent foreign policy initiatives in North-east Asia are totally unacceptable in Washington, as the world saw in 2014 when the US government under Obama and Clinton effected a bloodless regime change in Tokyo, removing Hatoyama and Ozawa, who had had the gall to attempt just such an independent initiative.

It's well worth reading this excellent 2014 article by Karel Van Wolferen on just how that regime change was managed by Washington, the Japanese media and bureaucracy. The author also compares the violent US-backed overthrow of the Ukraine government to the "peaceful" removal of Hatoyama and Ozawa.

The final paragraph is especially prophetic:

"When we cheer NATO and its new initiatives for a rapid deployment force to be used potentially against the renewed enemy in Moscow, and when we cheer the supposedly great achievement of the European Union unanimously to endorse sanctions against that same new enemy, when we join the choir denouncing an imagined inherently aggressive China, we are encouraging a bunch of incompetent, politically immature zealots as they trigger chains of events whose likely dire consequences we could not possibly desire."

https://www.unz.com/article/the-american-world-empire-japan-as-a-vassal-state/

Outgoing Joe Biden in Peru has zero prestige compared to incoming Trump in DC.

there are not thousands of experienced generals across the u.s.

there are 658.

This a very bad photo, just look at the shape of that Meeting Table !!? it tells it all.

TamaramaToday 07:18 am JST

I'll wager the Japanese people want nothing to do with the CCP or promoting its zero values vision around the world.

OssanAmerica

This argument would have value if China (PRC) was not a one party authoritarian dictatorship bent on regional domination, in conflict with the peaceful democratic societies of Japan South Korea....and Taiwan. This is where "mutual value and respect" goes down the drain.

As opposed to an elected 'Democracy' hell bent on regional domination in a part of the world that is a very, very long way from its own territorial borders? That's a deliciously ironic and hypocritical argument.

And seeing you brought it up, that extends to the situation of Taiwan, which literally came about because the US militarily and financially backed a dodgy dictator in China as their 'Democracy Nag' in the fight against Communist forces, who was subsequently defeated then assisted by the US to ensconce him and his mob in Taiwan where they set up a 'Democracy' on an Island that had long been Chinese territory. Talk about wading in and muddying the waters further in a region that has nothing to do with you, huh?

That aside though, you are basically suggesting; 'it won't work, so why try?' which I think that is a simplistic, defeatist perspective through a limited lens that doesn't fully appreciate the socio-political context and complexity of the region, and the potential for people to resolve issues and work together.

The US mindset seems to be simplistic and blunt: you are either with us, or against us, as articulated directly by such luminaries as US Presidents. Asia needs to shake this off and stand together based on its common regional values and similarities, rather than get hobbled by the rhetoric and hegemonic intentions of countries with entirely different value sets.

I don't believe that China can't do this, and the countries of this region have every reason to try, regardless of what the US wants.

Actually Asian nations should work on their own matters and issue No Need for the U.S. NATO, the EU or anyone else be involved.

Japan, China, S. Korea, and everyone else in this region have so much to lose and not enough to gain in having a rocky relation, start working on these issues and keep your guns in their holsters Boy and Girls.

Diplomatic progress”

“Diplomatic and “progress” are both words shunned by the leaders of the new majority in the IUSA, who actually have faith their new leader can time travel back to the early 1950’s just after WW2 when the USA was the global power. Now their motto seems to be ‘make Russia great for the first time’

bass4funkToday 08:27 am JST

Business can still be done as 47 will be too distracted with domestic problems and Ukraine to worry about Japan/SK

He’s not worried about Ukraine, he’s focused on the U.S. and getting his cabinet into order to hit the ground running by 1/20

Wars don't wait for 47 to finish golfing.

It won’t be in disarray, the hardware, and the basic military infrastructure and men will be in place, but all the entrenched woke and Pre-cold war thinking Washington establishment swamp rats.

Yeah, so no/unqualified officers. Sounds like a real plan for success in active combat.

Fresh blood is good, needed and with the thousands of experienced generals across the U.S. that will gladly fall in line and execute orders based on need and necessity and not by political ideology.

Not if they can retire they won't. They don't want 47's disgrace to get on them as well. Remember, your team is largely uneducated.

He can do that, and Taiwan has a lot of battle tested and proven US military hardware

So somebody believes Taiwan can defend against 2 million invaders by itself. Checks out.

That won’t happen, but at the same time, putting Americans in unnecessary harms way won’t happen

You don't understand what defending Taiwan actually entails. The war won't be fought by drones like in some sci-fi movie.

No, that will never happen. There are ways of fighting a war in a smart and strategic way, and not in an emotional way.

Not without massive numbers of troops putting their lives on the line. Reality will intrude on the MAGA sphere in such a scenario.

Ricky Kaminski13Today 08:27 am JST

he’ll be licking his chops for taiwan sooner instead of later. and when he does make his move, japan and korea will watch as u.s. forces stand around and watch it happen.

Im not sure what universe you live in to come to the conclusion that Xi is more likely to have a run at Taiwan under Trump. Look at the speed of his announcements within a week of the election, and look at who he has lined up!

All depends on whether 47 folds faster than superman on laundry day on Ukraine, doesn't it? Why would Xi expect anything else than that he can buy Taiwan for a golf course somewhere? Speed of mistakes will not impress Xi.

The Peace through Power strategy is gunna be very, very real.

Well known China hawks on the new team, so there’s that too.

I guarantee you that China is not impressed with your private sector dropouts.

TamaramaToday 09:19 am JST

This argument would have value if China (PRC) was not a one party authoritarian dictatorship bent on regional domination, in conflict with the peaceful democratic societies of Japan South Korea....and Taiwan. This is where "mutual value and respect" goes down the drain.

As opposed to an elected 'Democracy' hell bent on regional domination in a part of the world that is a very, very long way from its own territorial borders? That's a deliciously ironic and hypocritical argument.

It's a global world and our treaty allies are right next to the dictatorship cabal.

And seeing you brought it up, that extends to the situation of Taiwan, which literally came about because the US militarily and financially backed a dodgy dictator in China as their 'Democracy Nag' in the fight against Communist forces, who was subsequently defeated then assisted by the US to ensconce him and his mob in Taiwan where they set up a 'Democracy' on an Island that had long been Chinese territory. Talk about wading in and muddying the waters further in a region that has nothing to do with you, huh?

Such a sad story. Too bad Free Taiwan with its 24 million inhabitants engenders more respect than the oversized gorilla ever will.

The US mindset seems to be simplistic and blunt: you are either with us, or against us, as articulated directly by such luminaries as US Presidents. Asia needs to shake this off and stand together based on its common regional values and similarities, rather than get hobbled by the rhetoric and hegemonic intentions of countries with entirely different value sets.

I don't believe that China can't do this, and the countries of this region have every reason to try, regardless of what the US wants.

Asia does not need to be a zero human rights zone.

there are not thousands of experienced generals across the u.s.

there are 658.

Military leadership in total over a thousand

TamaramaToday 07:18 am JST

I'd prefer to see these countries really push for regional unity and mutual value and respect

That is impossible with the CCP ruling China.

You cannot have "regional unity and mutual value[s] and respect" whilst China is illegally occupying the South China Sea and attacking ships, claiming Japan's Senkakus, cyber-attacking, using economic diplomacy, stealing IP, conducting trans-national repression, etc.

Perhaps we'll all get along once the CCP falls. It won't happen before then.

not be divided and fractured by the manipulation of others.

It is the CCP that is trying to divide and manipulate, not Japan, SK, or the US.

Alfie NoakesToday 09:01 am JST

A splendid idea, especially considering the USA may well not exist in its current state 100 or 200 years hence, whereas China, Japan and Korea certainly will.

The CCP won't last the next 100-200 years. Totalitarian states always fall eventually, and I see no reason why China will be any different. And Xi's disastrous policies have greatly hastened the decline.

Hopefully once it does fall, the Chinese people will get themselves a decent government that respects human rights, civil liberties, and other countries.

OssanAmerika:

This argument would have value if China (PRC) was not a one party authoritarian dictatorship bent on regional domination, 

Your own country is THE one party authoritarian dictatorship. The dictators are the elites, AIPAC, MIC who control both parties which don't give a hoot about ordinary citizens and who just want to go on a rampage throughout the whole world, maintaining its hegemony. It thinks it owns Asia. Enjoy your new president. Dems can only blame themselves. 'Not being Trump' was their only policy. But whichever side of the same backside US voters choose, US is sliding slowly into the abyss. Its world domination is over. Game over.

Wars don't wait for 47 to finish golfing.

No, they do not, so what’s your point?

Yeah, so no/unqualified officers.

Again, no one voted for these people to anything, follow the commander in chief or take off the uniform and run for office

Sounds like a real plan for success in active combat.

We have enough qualified generals that will follow the President, he should recruit Flynn or Patreaus

Not if they can retire they won't.

There are other legal ways to get them out.

They don't want 47's disgrace to get on them as well. Remember, your team is largely uneducated.

Well, they won’t get to decide that, this is exactly the problem I’m talking about and this is why Trump was elected and with his mandate to crush and destroy this cancerous Pentagon entrenched cabal.

So somebody believes Taiwan can defend against 2 million invaders by itself. Checks out.

I said, there are ways of fighting a possible war without sending ground troops

You don't understand what defending Taiwan actually entails.

I do, I come from a military family.

The war won't be fought by drones like in some sci-fi movie.

Not sure why you are bringing movies into the debate

Not without massive numbers of troops putting their lives on the line.

Again, the capabilities of the U.S. military are enormous, we have over 100 years of tested military engagements, when was the last time China was in one? If China can’t build a successful high speed rail, then how effective can their military equipment be???

https://youtu.be/AJgoZObisv4?si=fj9Wzn6yxJuXHyhE

Reality will intrude on the MAGA sphere in such a scenario.

It has and that’s why it will be soooo refreshing to see these swamp rats leave.

It's a global world and our treaty allies are right next to the dictatorship cabal.

A Dictatorship Cabal on one hand, an ally on the other run by a convicted felon whose family has made money by methods including; profiteering, tax evasion and prostitution in the last 130 years or so. But God bless the great democracy, right?

Asia does not need to be a zero human rights zone.

Nobody is suggesting it should. But it should work together to rely far less on the interference of others to find its balance and equilibrium.

TamaramaToday 09:19 am JST

As opposed to an elected 'Democracy' hell bent on regional domination in a part of the world that is a very, very long way from its own territorial borders?

Which isn't happening at all. The US is in the region because of (at least)-

1) Its alliances. Its bases and cooperative agreements are at the request of the host governments and in full compliance with international law - in stark contrast to China's illegal militarization of the SCS.

2) Protecting shipping. Much of the world's trade passes through an area that China is threatening to annex. No country will allow their trade to be held hostage by an aggressive, revisionist, totalitarian state.

Taiwan, which literally came about because the US militarily and financially backed a dodgy dictator in China

I think you need to read some history.

Taiwan where they set up a 'Democracy' on an Island that had long been Chinese territory.

No, it was a military dictatorship to begin with: democracy (thankfully) came later. Taiwan chose the right path. Hopefully China will too one day - it's not too late.

And by "Chinese" here, we must point out that that doesn't mean "PRC." Taiwan has never been ruled by the PRC, and the PRC has zero claim to it.

isabelleToday 09:57 am JST

economic diplomacy = economic coercion

Pukey2Today 10:01 am JST

OssanAmerika:

This argument would have value if China (PRC) was not a one party authoritarian dictatorship bent on regional domination, 

Your own country is THE one party authoritarian dictatorship. The dictators are the elites, AIPAC, MIC who control both parties which don't give a hoot about ordinary citizens and who just want to go on a rampage throughout the whole world, maintaining its hegemony. It thinks it owns Asia. Enjoy your new president. Dems can only blame themselves. 'Not being Trump' was their only policy. But whichever side of the same backside US voters choose, US is sliding slowly into the abyss. Its world domination is over. Game over.

Democracy does exist and China ain't it. China hasn't been wealthy perhaps ever. Game over.

TamaramaToday 10:03 am JST

It's a global world and our treaty allies are right next to the dictatorship cabal.

A Dictatorship Cabal on one hand, an ally on the other run by a convicted felon whose family has made money by methods including; profiteering, tax evasion and prostitution in the last 130 years or so. But God bless the great democracy, right?

It's almost like the latter doesn't matter at all for Japan's relationship with the US.

Asia does not need to be a zero human rights zone.

Nobody is suggesting it should. But it should work together to rely far less on the interference of others to find its balance and equilibrium.

Yes, balance and equilibrium with zero human rights.

bass4funkToday 10:02 am JST

Wars don't wait for 47 to finish golfing.

No, they do not, so what’s your point?

It means that Ukraine will not wait for the end of 47's war on cities. 47's humiliation will increase every day from January 20th.

Yeah, so no/unqualified officers.

Again, no one voted for these people to anything, follow the commander in chief or take off the uniform and run for office

Officers are supposed to have their job based on knowledge, not approval of simpletons. And they swear an oath to the Constitution, not to 47.

Sounds like a real plan for success in active combat.

We have enough qualified generals that will follow the President, he should recruit Flynn or Patreaus

Patreaus is not on team 47 given the latters words about Ukraine. You can't run a war with one loony toon.

Not if they can retire they won't.

There are other legal ways to get them out.

Not that won't result in further resignations.

They don't want 47's disgrace to get on them as well. Remember, your team is largely uneducated.

Well, they won’t get to decide that, this is exactly the problem I’m talking about and this is why Trump was elected and with his mandate to crush and destroy this cancerous Pentagon entrenched cabal.

They will get to decide whether they retire or not. People voted because they thought Failed Businessman would make food half price again. Not to destroy the US.

So somebody believes Taiwan can defend against 2 million invaders by itself. Checks out.

I said, there are ways of fighting a possible war without sending ground troops

As of this writing, the F-35 still requires pilots. Just because it is mostly sailors/airmen, doesn't mean the US is going to win this on the cheap.

You don't understand what defending Taiwan actually entails.

I do, I come from a military family.

Clearly you have not asked them what a defense of Taiwan would look like. Or this is another fanciful tale.

Not without massive numbers of troops putting their lives on the line.

Again, the capabilities of the U.S. military are enormous, we have over 100 years of tested military engagements, when was the last time China was in one? If China can’t build a successful high speed rail, then how effective can their military equipment be???

https://youtu.be/AJgoZObisv4?si=fj9Wzn6yxJuXHyhE

We don't know how effective they will be. They have been successful at getting products to perform minimal functions. We do know that thousands of sailors and airmen will be impacted from a war.

Reality will intrude on the MAGA sphere in such a scenario.

It has and that’s why it will be soooo refreshing to see these swamp rats leave.

Nope, you haven't see the impact of reality on the MAGAs yet.

bass4funkToday  09:50 am JST

Military leadership in total over a thousand

The current number of active-duty general or flag officers is 218 for the Army, 149 for the Navy, 170 for the Air Force, 62 for the Marine Corps, and 21 for the Space Force.

TamaramaToday 11:31 am JST

One who, by the way, stripped China of its Gold, Silver and Dollar reserves and Chinese Cultural and Artistic artefacts as he fled in defeat. Kind of sacked the country as he went and left it financially and culturally destitute. All class.

If they had left the artifacts, they would have been destroyed in the Cultural Revolution. Did Chiang Kai-Shek cause the Great Leap Forward or was that communist incompetence?

in case y’all haven’t noticed, the latest trend on alt-right, far-right, radical-right sites is “no one voted for….”

when you think about it, the so-called “conservatives” are now the radicals, and so-called “progressives” or whatever are now the conservatives.

the ones who were supposedly destroying america are now truly trying to destroy it.

Such a sorry sight that photo. At the head of the table two guys about to go out the door of political irrelevance. On either side are political figures that either have limited or no authority, even from their own electorates.

Message to the compradors - the new management is in the other hemisphere north at Palm Beach, Florida.

darn autocorrect.

i meant those who said the other party was trying to destroy america and now the ones truly trying to destroy it.

JJEToday 11:44 am JST

Such a sorry sight that photo. At the head of the table two guys about to go out the door of political irrelevance. On either side are political figures that either have limited or no authority, even from their own electorates.

Message to the compradors - the new management is in the other hemisphere north at Palm Beach, Florida.

We don't know whether 47 will have any time to attend an APECS between the war on cities and managing his loss in Ukraine.

bass4funk

You don't understand what defending Taiwan actually entails.

I do, I come from a military family.

You have never served and you lack any real military understanding: another armchair general or more likely corporal.

Will they refuse bookings from Americans that supply Israel with its weapons and bombs?

You don't understand what defending Taiwan actually entails.

You can say that about yourself.

You have never served

I have been in war zones, but not in uniform and I have family that served and still serve for 8 generations.

and you lack any real military understanding: another armchair general or more likely corporal.

Well, you are entitled to your personal opinion, no problem with that.

The current number of active-duty general or flag officers is 218 for the Army, 149 for the Navy, 170 for the Air Force, 62 for the Marine Corps, and 21 for the Space Force.

Yes, your point

would you like me to add them up for you, or can you do it yourself?

You can and there are still enough that will execute the President's agenda and do what they are supposed to do, follow orders OR they can not work for the President and step aside. Either way, Trump will get his way since he now has a mandate, and that will happen regardless if the left has a temper tantrum or not.

It means that Ukraine will not wait for the end of 47's war on cities. 47's humiliation will increase every day from January 20th.

I wholeheartedly disagree.

Officers are supposed to have their job based on knowledge, not approval of simpletons. And they swear an oath to the Constitution, not to 47.

Well, then the current admin will get an F in that regard.

Patreaus is not on team 47 given the latters words about Ukraine. You can't run a war with one loony toon.

But we are doing it now, been to a Russian mall recently? Now compare that to a US mall.

Not that won't result in further resignations.

And they should do so if they don't want to follow orders

They will get to decide whether they retire or not.

And Trump will use Federal and constitutional laws to override them

People voted because they thought Failed Businessman would make food half price again. Not to destroy the US.

So you speak for 90 million? Interesting. Again, the popular vote, the Senate, the House, yeah, keep dreaming, the people knew what they wanted and they voted for it, those Generals are on a time clock.

As of this writing, the F-35 still requires pilots. Just because it is mostly sailors/airmen, doesn't mean the US is going to win this on the cheap.

Given that most have years of training, flight hours, and combat missions compared to the Chinese, my money is on the US, and I have a lot to bet on.

Clearly you have not asked them what a defense of Taiwan would look like. Or this is another fanciful tale.

Let's see, but you know? Really?

We don't know how effective they will be. They have been successful at getting products to perform minimal functions. We do know that thousands of sailors and airmen will be impacted from a war.

Maybe, but there is a lot we can do without sacrificing our ground troops, technology goes a long way, especially regarding US tech.

Nope, you haven't see the impact of reality on the MAGAs yet.

I can imagine though, not worried, but I am happy that the Dems lost and will leave soon, so that is just better for the world and the US.

bass4funk

You don't understand what defending Taiwan entails.

You can say that about yourself.

I have served my country in the RN.

You have never served

I have been in war zones, but not in uniform and I have family that served and still serve for 8 generations.

Eight generations would be 200 years but since your family are migrants I seriously doubt that.

My family too has a long history in the military but none of that makes us into generals.

Taiwanisnotchina

If they had left the artifacts, they would have been destroyed in the Cultural Revolution. Did Chiang Kai-Shek cause the Great Leap Forward or was that communist incompetence?

Oh, I see, so they sacked and looted the country for its own good?! They sacked and looted the country out of the goodness of their hearts?! Ha ha! That's pure comedy, TINC, comedic gold.!I mean, there's spin, then there's this.

Are you saying that Chang knew about the Cultural Revolution 20 years in advance, and acted accordingly??? Dude, you are just making stuff up here.

You don't understand what defending Taiwan entails.

You can say that about yourself.

I have served my country in the RN.

I, as a reporter

Eight generations would be 200 years but since your family are migrants I seriously doubt that.

Your math is off and you can doubt whatever you want, that is not my business, you made an accusatory statement, and I clarified it

My family too has a long history in the military but none of that makes us into generals.

Ok, and?

TamaramaToday  09:19 am JST

OssanAmerica

This argument would have value if China (PRC) was not a one party authoritarian dictatorship bent on regional domination, in conflict with the peaceful democratic societies of Japan South Korea....and Taiwan. This is where "mutual value and respect" goes down the drain.

As opposed to an elected 'Democracy' hell bent on regional domination in a part of the world that is a very, very long way from its own territorial borders? That's a deliciously ironic and hypocritical argument.

You can write a bible but nothing changes the fact that your initial post was fundamentally flawed. That's all.

When documents are declassified fifty years from now I believe we’ll find that Japan and Korea only improved relations after Biden essentially got them in a room and banged their heads together. Five years ago the two countries were playing their usual game of being at each others’ throats, instead of getting together against China

grcToday 02:34 pm JST

When documents are declassified fifty years from now I believe we’ll find that Japan and Korea only improved relations after Biden essentially got them in a room and banged their heads together.

Biden definitely helped, but I believe the main credit must go to Yoon, who wisely abandoned the previous government's dangerous anti-Japan/pro-China/pro-North Korea stance.

Japan and South Korea are natural partners, and should be working together as they are now.

Amusing how these Voices of America are always present in these forum with their counter arguments :)

The starting point of any conversation would be "Asia welcomes China because China is part of Asia".

We cannot same the same thing about Washington and I wonder why you take it for granted!

bass4funkToday 12:55 pm JST

It means that Ukraine will not wait for the end of 47's war on cities. 47's humiliation will increase every day from January 20th.

I wholeheartedly disagree.

You can disagree all you want. History judges outcomes and won't be susceptible to a MAGA rewrite.

Patreaus is not on team 47 given the latters words about Ukraine. You can't run a war with one loony toon.

But we are doing it now, been to a Russian mall recently? Now compare that to a US mall.

Thanks to the Biden sanctions?

People voted because they thought Failed Businessman would make food half price again. Not to destroy the US.

So you speak for 90 million? Interesting. Again, the popular vote, the Senate, the House, yeah, keep dreaming, the people knew what they wanted and they voted for it, those Generals are on a time clock.

Are you adding on votes 47 never got now? 90 is not 76 and 76 is still less than the 81 Biden got.

We don't know how effective they will be. They have been successful at getting products to perform minimal functions. We do know that thousands of sailors and airmen will be impacted from a war.

Maybe, but there is a lot we can do without sacrificing our ground troops, technology goes a long way, especially regarding US tech.

China will not be susceptible to MAGA magical thinking.

TamaramaToday 01:21 pm JST

Taiwanisnotchina

If they had left the artifacts, they would have been destroyed in the Cultural Revolution. Did Chiang Kai-Shek cause the Great Leap Forward or was that communist incompetence?

Oh, I see, so they sacked and looted the country for its own good?! They sacked and looted the country out of the goodness of their hearts?! Ha ha! That's pure comedy, TINC, comedic gold.!I mean, there's spin, then there's this.

The ROC was free to relocate artifacts within their own country and it was a good thing they did so considering the murderous rabble taking their place.

Are you saying that Chang knew about the Cultural Revolution 20 years in advance, and acted accordingly??? Dude, you are just making stuff up here.

I'm saying there is plenty to ascribe to CCP incompetance such that we needn't concern ourselves with what gold reserves Chiang Kai-Shek legally relocated.

If any of China, Korea, and Japan will remain in 100 years, it will be Japan.

Korea should prepare to be swallowed up by North Korea, which is supported by the Chinese Communist Party, once the US military withdraws.

China will continue to be under Xi Jinping's dictatorship, but opposition will likely grow.

Political instability could lead to the country splitting apart at any time.

China and Korea were in a relationship of master and servant until Japan gave Korea independence, and that will not change fundamentally even if the US military intervenes.

If China's hegemonism grows stronger, the Korean Peninsula will be swallowed up by China.

What Japan must prepare for today is that it would not be strange if China invades Japan. Japan will need to be prepared to defend itself against the Chinese military.

Being ruled by a dictatorial China, which suppresses freedom of speech, controls thought, burns books and buries scholars, would be a nightmare.

You can disagree all you want.

I do.

History judges outcomes and won't be susceptible to a MAGA rewrite.

Or to the liberal ones

Thanks to the Biden sanctions?

These have NOT worked, so they changed the names of the companies that boycotted them but still sell the same products. This administration made itself look like incompetent idiots.

Are you adding on votes 47 never got now? 90 is not 76 and 76 is still less than the 81 Biden got.

Trump won, relax, it will be all over soon for Biden...literally.

China will not be susceptible to MAGA magical thinking.

But they are still worried; that is exactly what strength projection does—paper tiger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4aNb5wUb2k

bass4funkToday 12:40 am JST

Are you adding on votes 47 never got now? 90 is not 76 and 76 is still less than the 81 Biden got.

Trump won, relax, it will be all over soon for Biden...literally.

Not according to the Supreme Court. And we have yet to see all MAGA senators endorse extrajudicial killings.

China will not be susceptible to MAGA magical thinking.

But they are still worried; that is exactly what strength projection does—paper tiger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4aNb5wUb2k

Trump doesn't project strength to educated people.

Fos

Amusing how these Voices of America are always present in these forum with their counter arguments :)

Yep. There is no nuance in their position either - just us V them, bad V good, with us or against us.

OssanAmorica

You can write a bible but nothing changes the fact that your initial post was fundamentally flawed. That's all.

15 people on JT, including yourself, didn't like a post that advocated for a peaceful, respectful, harmonious culturally strong and independent Asia, where it's big players understand each other and get along politically and socially, free from external influence??? You don't like that idea, Ossan? How is that flawed?

TaiwanisnotChina

The ROC was free to relocate artifacts within their own country and it was a good thing they did so considering the murderous rabble taking their place.

Oh, OK, so as long as the Nationalists do the looting and stealing, it's fine, right? Not a crime, just because you are wearing a certain set of political colours - but most certainly a crime if you are wearing other colours? Do you consider the Shanghai incident of 1927, where the Chang Kai Shek supporters killed up to 10,000 Communists to be a part of that murderous rabble, or can only Communists be a murderous rabble?

Would you say that Chang's wife, Soong Mei-Ling's involvement in her family embezzling nearly 2/3rds of the Nationalist Party's 1920's revenue as kosher as well? Chang the Dictator's wife was the richest woman in China - and the little 'Cabal' they were a part of were considered by President Truman to be thieves: "They're thieves, every damn one of them." He also said, "They stole $750 million out of the billions that we sent to Chiang. They stole it, and it's invested in real estate down in São Paolo and some right here in New York."

But I suppose that's fine, right, as long as they are Nationalists who founded Taiwan?

Nah, it's not, is it.

When you zoom out here, this whole history modern history in China reeks of corruption, bribery, murder, political meddling, etc by a number of invested parties - including the US, but somehow only the CCP get pinned as the 'bad guys' because certain people write history a certain way, and that becomes the prevailing narrative that people who can't think critically and don't understand how and why knowledge is formed, just drink up.

I'm not pro-communist. and I'm neither Chinese nor American. But I try look at history critically and weigh up the evidence with a little independent thinking, and it's almost never just black, or white.

"pre-Trump talks on risk"

Yes, ending foreign proxy wars and lowing energy costs must be such horrible risks...

Pukey2Nov. 16  10:01 am JST

OssanAmerika:

This argument would have value if China (PRC) was not a one party authoritarian dictatorship bent on regional domination, 

Your own country is THE one party authoritarian dictatorship. 

Incorrect. In 4 years the administration will change, it may even change parties. Unlike in your country where there are no political parties allowed besides the CCP and the people have no vote in determining their leaders. By the way America is spelled with a "c". I know you're just trying to be snide but it's really just puerile.