China accuses Japan of interfering in naval drills

If China behaved like a normal country and proposed settling the Senkaku issue at the ICJ there would be no tension in the area. Instead China sends it's Coast Guard ships and planes to the Senkakus on a daily basis for the purpose of harassment and intimidation. China continues to talk belligerently and openly talks about preparing for "war". Then they hold live fire drills in the East China Sea and don't expect the Japanese to be putting them on surveillance? China's standard MO is to provoke another country, then claim that they are being provoked. So why bring up WWII? Unless China simply wants to start a war as revenge for WWII. If so just say it.

@Dog, @hsien90210 - The legal status quo favours the Japanese so of course they see no dispute, and have no reason to take it to the ICJ. It's not rocket science.

It's up to CCP China as the 'aggrieved' party to present its case to the ICJ, and the CCP won't do this because it does not wish to become subject to international rulings (which is why the CCP thinks it can ignore Japan's existing internationally recognized 'ownership' of the islands in the first place).

The CCPs desire to operate outside of international law is a troubling aspect of this entire situation, and bodes ill for the future.

http://www.ejiltalk.org/is-china-changing-its-view-of-international-tribunals/

Sure Dog. The USA will be more than happy to have the Chinese set up shop right next to their largest military installations in Asia. No problems there. If Japan lets China get away with these bully tactics, where will it stop? Who will be able to stop it if not Japan? There is more at stake than just a few goats.

@hsien90210

That's because the Senkaku's are Japan's. That means they don't need to got to the ICJ to confirm it's there's. You don't need to go to court over something that isn't disputed. Furthermore China is a member on the Security council if you know anything about the ICJ the International Court's permanent members of the Security Council are able to veto enforcement of even cases to which they consented in advance to be bound. Therefore it is very likely for the member states of Security Council to avoid the responsibility brought up by International Court of Justice, as shown in the example of Nicaragua v. United States. Basically if Japan wins it won't matter China can veto the ruling and doesn't have to abide to them.

Last I heard, any nation is free to sail ships about in the Western Pacific Ocean. If the CCP/PLA Navy don't want vessels from other nations to get in the way of their war exercises, they should conduct them in their own territorial waters. The constant referencing of events that occurred 70+ years ago to justify their 'outrage' and overt military provocations is ludicrous.

China's policy over dispute with Japan in the East China Sea is connected with the dispute with Vietnam and Philippines in the South China Sea and they have a hardline consistant one policy objectives that applies to both areas. For China, this means there is no flexibility in negotiations.

Diplomatic complaints are normally lodged by the Foreign Ministry, so the Defense Ministry’s unusual move signals the military's anger.

This shows the structural deficiency of Chinese Army or Navy, which is not the military of Chinese Government but is the military of Chinese Communist Party. Chinese Premier Li cannot control Chinese military. President Xi in his capacity as the president of the communist party is the only politician who can control military. A military with its own will and not under the control of government will be a disaster for the nation, just like Imperial Army and Navy of Japan were.

Ha, this is coming from China...

It's gotta be taken with a grain of salt since the 'Big Bully' nation can't have it's own way. Since they can't be a brute and forcefully take the islands, they resort to bickering and becoming a 'victim'. Haha.

China holds Naval exercises in International Waters close to the Japanese territorial waters, and expects Japan not to react with caution? That makes sense. Not. Military forces operating near the border of another country always draws attention, and is a major cause for concern, as it is very likely a precursor to something more violent. China aren't upset that Japan is "interfering" with their Naval exercises, they're upset that Japan responded quickly and would have been able to intercept the fleet if the attack order was given. There is no reason why China can't hold exercises within it's own territory. It just doesn't want to. You can't provoke your neighbour by muttering to yourself in your room, you have to go into the garden and shout over the fence. And that's exactly what China is doing.

DogNov. 01, 2013 - 10:50AM JST

Personally I don't think China should take the Daiyo dispute to the ICJ, they just military occupy them and sod everyone else. After all that's what Japan did in 1895.

That is totally different from what Japan did in 1895. Senkakus had never been under Chinese control before 1895. Taking Senkakus was not stealing for they did not belong to China. On the other hand, Senkakus are under Japanese control now. China cannot claim terra nullius. Taking them from Japan is nothing but stealing.

If China had evidence of their control of Senkakus before 1895, and if they were peace loving people, they would bring the case to ICJ for peaceful settlement, for Japan recognizes the compulsory jurisdiction of ICJ. Since China does not bring the case to ICJ, it is either they cannot prove their prior possession or they are not peace loving.

China's rhetoric is right out of Alice in Wonderland, where everything in the looking glass is the reverse of reality. Do the bureaucrats who spin these pronouncements really believe what they are saying? Or expect the rest of the world to believe it?

Haha provocation, Maybe they got disrupted by a whale.

DogNov. 01, 2013 - 10:17AM JST "OssanAmericaNov. 01, 2013 - 07:50AM JST "No they haven't. If you believe so please provide a substantiating link. China is not even a signatory to the agreement that it will accept ICJ rulings."

If you did a bit more reading, instead of just blow-harding inane posts on here, you would find plenty of links. Is the >Kyodo new substative for you or is that another Chinese communist rag? Is September 2013 contemporary enough >for you?

Instead of insulting me why don't you post all these "plenty of links"?

A senior Foreign Ministry official indicated Friday there is no need to refer a territorial dispute between Japan and >China to the International Court of Justice because it is clear that Japan owns the Senkaku Islands in the East China >Sea. "We don't have to refer the matter to a third party for adjudication because the islands indisputably belong to >Japan both legally and in actuality," the official said, adding there is no basis for China's claims to the uninhabited >islands. http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2013/09/246239.html

Is this it? Read it, it's the Japan side saying there's no need to go to the ICJ. But Japan CAN'T take it to the ICJ because they aren't the claimant. Only China can. So where's the link that says China is trying to take the Senkaku issue to the ICJ and Japan is refusing? Try reading before calling other peoples posts "inane".

tombie tamackieNov. 01, 2013 - 01:53PM JST

@OssanAmerica. *China has recommended to settle this issue with ICJ but it is Japan who refused. Don't blame China. It is the Japanese government who refuses to settle this issue at ICJ fearing it will force Japan to acknowledge there is a dispute.***

I agreed with @OssanAmerica, China is avoiding ICJ and they dont want to submit to ICJ. And China - Philippine is a good example. China is avoiding the ICJ and when Philppines address this issue in ICJ they stopped the importation of Banana from the Philippines.

That`s China and they wanted to control everything and even the biggest contributor in CLIMATE CHANGE...

For the Chinese to claim interference is risible. If Chinese weren't trying to enforce their imaginary "nine dashed line" by military power none of this would be a problem. The Chinese should stick to normal diplomatic channels rather than trying to bully the neighbors.

Agreed Ossan. If conflict really does kick off between the two it is perfectly clear who has initiated it, agitated for it and repeatedly provoked it.

China have proven in the past that they lie about these incidents - they flat out denied the Radar Lock on Japanese ships and helicopters (last year?) until Japan released the evidence to show them lying.

Japan has shown a hello of a lot of restraint so far over the Senkaku debate, in the face of constant and at times pretty serious provocation.

AsianhometownNov. 01, 2013 - 07:10AM JST OssanAmerica. China has recommended to settle this issue with ICJ but it is Japan who refused. Don't blame China. >It is the Japanese government who refuses to settle this issue at ICJ fearing it will force Japan to acknowledge there is >a dispute.

No they haven't. If you believe so please provide a substantiating link. China is not even a signatory to the agreement that it will accept ICJ rulings.

The door swings both ways, PRC is allowed free passage through Japan's EEZ into international waters but Japan has the right to maneuver where ever she please as well.

I guess PRC got hit by the door during her way out, ouch.

Coming from the country that locks its weapons radars onto Japanese ships..

Where will this end? How will this end? When will this end? What will this end? Which county will end it? Who .... No one!

Why should Japan need to go to the ICJ for territory that was lawfully ceded to the by the USA after the occupation ended? I am curious if China would agree to go to the ICJ about Tibet. China is all bark and no bite.

What a silly and childish complaint. Nations the world over shadow naval vessels of opposing nations, and exercises are of especial interest.

What a bunch of flippin' HYPOCRITES!!!! It was Mainland China who, just a scant few years ago, sent a nuclear sub into and crossing over Japan's Territorial Waters (and if I'm not mistaken, they've done that MORE than once) not surfacing and identifying itself until it was three-hundred-some nautical miles away from Japan. And they want to lodge a formal diplomatic complaint? I stated then that Japan's Aegis Destroyers and shadowing JNSDF planes should have depth-charged that sub until it surfaced or was turned into debris. I still stand by that statement.

China needs to stop being a nation of military crybabies. They may have 1.3 Billion people, and they may also have a gigantic military.........but they need to grow up before they bow up.

@OssanAmerica. *China has recommended to settle this issue with ICJ but it is Japan who refused. Don't blame China. It is the Japanese government who refuses to settle this issue at ICJ fearing it will force Japan to acknowledge there is a dispute.***

what about the Philippines lodge a formal protest to the UNCLOS against China on the matter of scaborough shoal, mischeef reef where all are located in the 200 EEZ but instead of settle down the issue China flex their muscle more than ever and still shy away to resolve the issues. China plays a double standard on resolving the issues when the opponents has capability to counter attack of their military might they lodge a protest but while a tiny country and has no power to face them in military power they flex and harass not to file a complain in the international court.

LOL , Look whose talking ha ha ha, is this a joke from China?

China accuses Japan of interfering in naval drills

Key word is 'accuses'.

Calm down folks.

yes because the Chinese sailors and pilots are so self-conscious that they can't concentrate if someone is watch them

"oh no, that japanese guy is looking at me, oops I just blew up our own ship."

Guru29Nov. 01, 2013 - 11:29PM JST “dangerous provocation” by Japan for shadowing Chinese military exercises in the western Pacific. When the US questioned China on its commitment to freedom of navigation in the South China Sea during the recent >Apec summit, China replied that it was willing to uphold freedom of navigation in the disputed waters. China further >added that freedom of navigation in the South China Sea was never an issue in the past and it would not be an issue >in the future.

This is a perfect example of China talking out one of it's mouth while behaving in the opposite way with the other. In other words, an other Chinese lie.

http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2013/10/27/south-china-sea/

@Guru29 We're not talking about navigation here, we're talking about military exercises in international waters: A deeply provocative action. If it was just a Chinese cargo ship sailing through, there would be no issue. But it wasn't, it was actual warships engaging in a naval exercise, and that is the issue at hand. China has no reason to conduct such drills in international waters. Naval training should take place in the territorial waters of the Navy's home country (in this case China) so as to avoid any misunderstanding. China CHOSE to hold drills in international waters, provoking a defensive response from Japan in the hopes the the Japanese fleets would respond aggressively, instigating the war that China is dying to fight. China just doesn't want to make the first move, otherwise it can't play the victim card.

Personally I don't think China should take the Daiyo dispute to the ICJ

Why?

Again, Mr. Fukuda (former PM) will have to spend weekend pacifying the Chinese diplomats (!)

To Tiger_In_The_Hermitage NOV. 01, 2013 - 01:06PM JST and The_True NOV. 01, 2013 - 01:57PM JST

If Mainland China is so tough, strong, and is about to take over the world from "The West", why doesn't she try it? If Mainland China is the so-called "Emerging Nation" and "Up-And-Coming 'Superpower'", why doesn't she act like it? The Regime in Beijing is arguing with Japan over a couple of spits of rock in the Pacific Ocean, threatening war over some uninhabited, no-higher-life-form-supporting islets in the East Sea: and now, Beijing is accusing Tokyo of "interfering" with "Naval Exercises" to the point of lodging a formal complaint?!? Seriously? And you two expect the rest of the world to take Mainland China Seriously as well? The Nation with the Third Largest Land Mass in the World needs these rocky islets for, what, to make herself #2 after Russia's land mass? Really? And Tiger_In_The_Hermitage's and The_True's "defenses" of Mainland China and the Beijing Regime only adds more comedy to this discussion.....是的，真的.

I have all the respect in the world for Chinese People, having taught dozens of Chinese students as a teacher in the USA, Japan, and Korea. They should be ashamed of their government getting into a squabble over a series of unpopulated rocks in the middle of the East Sea (and, yes, I know Japan and South Korea are squabbling over similar rocks a few hundred miles away [which also makes these two governments and nations all the more mature as well /sarc]).

If Mainland China wants to be taken seriously and treated as a legitimate nation and Government, it'd be a GREAT idea if they let these stupid, immature, childish squabbles drop.

@Guru29 Are you trying to tell me China doesn't have any seas within it's own territory? That's ridiculous. Of course they do, and enough room to run Naval drills, like any sensible country would do. Yes, other nations drill in international waters. The difference is, they don't do it close to the territorial waters of another country that they are in a diplomatic dispute with. You don't see Britain conducting operations close to Argentina. You don't see America conducting operations close to Russia or North Korea. But you do see China conducting drills close to Japan. That is the difference. That is what takes the drills from standard procedure to military posturing.

And how exactly is observing a potential threat "being like a chicken?" Is it cowardly to monitor a suicide bomber who plans on blowing up an embassy? Of course not. You identify the threat, track it, determine the intention, and if necessary eliminate the threat. The Japanese Navy identified the threat (the Chinese warships), tracked them, determined the intention (Naval drills, done provocatively), and decided it was not necessary to eliminate the threat. That's not cowardly, that's a standard tactic used by all armed forces.

Guru29Nov. 02, 2013 - 12:08AM JST In other words, an other Chinese lie. What lie are you talking about? China's commitment to freedom of navigation? I think it is Japan that's telling lies since it clearly doesn't respect freedom of navigation in the Pacific Ocean

No, it is China that is the cause of the problem. Asian countries have no problem with Japan and navigation in the Pacific Ocean.

"Thus far, Chinese territorial claims in the South China Sea have put them in conflict with Brunei, Vietnam, the Philippines, and Thailand. Indonesia and Malaysia have sought a balanced approach between their neighbors and China (but Malaysia has started to sour on China). Cambodia, Laos, and Burma have traditionally backed the People’s Republic. The South China Sea dispute was a major topic of discussion during the past ASEAN member meeting, but for the first time the member states were unable to issue a joint communique.

China has successfully deployed their military resources and commercial fishing fleets to “acquire” substantial territory in the South China Sea. The Chinese have coupled their actions at sea with a political offensive designed to breed discord among the ASEAN member states."

http://nesastrategist.wordpress.com/2013/03/27/asean-under-threat/

Guru29Nov. 02, 2013 - 04:24PM JST "@Guru29 We're not talking about navigation here, we're talking about military exercises in international waters: A deeply provocative action So you think conducting military exercises in the Pacific Ocean is deeply provocative but stalking Chinese ships like a >chiken during a military exercise with live firing isn't provocative or dangerous?

What do you mean? http://agitatedchicken.com/

OssanAmericaNov. 01, 2013 - 07:50AM JST

No they haven't. If you believe so please provide a substantiating link. China is not even a signatory to the agreement that it will accept ICJ rulings.

If you did a bit more reading, instead of just blow-harding inane posts on here, you would find plenty of links. Is the Kyodo new substative for you or is that another Chinese communist rag? Is September 2013 contemporary enough for you?

A senior Foreign Ministry official indicated Friday there is no need to refer a territorial dispute between Japan and China to the International Court of Justice because it is clear that Japan owns the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea. "We don't have to refer the matter to a third party for adjudication because the islands indisputably belong to Japan both legally and in actuality," the official said, adding there is no basis for China's claims to the uninhabited islands. http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2013/09/246239.html

“dangerous provocation” by Japan for shadowing Chinese military exercises in the western Pacific.

When the US questioned China on its commitment to freedom of navigation in the South China Sea during the recent Apec summit, China replied that it was willing to uphold freedom of navigation in the disputed waters. China further added that freedom of navigation in the South China Sea was never an issue in the past and it would not be an issue in the future.

Now it seems that it is Japan, the protectorate/ semi-colony of the US that does not respect freedom of navigation in the Pacific Ocean.

Unfortunately China is weak militarily. If she is strong like Russia, Japan would not behave so arrogantly. Let's hope China builds up militarily so that Japan can talk peace instead of aggression! Give China time.

OssanAmerica; Your posts are coming out all bloated, like you cannot think straight. All countries pull this crap even your beloved Japan, it"s par for the course, you dig?

It's no good eating into others posts like Pacman after a pound of weed and he becomes obese, slow to move and cannot function properly. Best thing is to take away any bias. Of course China is doing this for it's own general public, same as all countries do in these situations.

Lots of China bashing... funny enough cause this shows arrogance and the success of Western regimes brain washing their citizens. No government is to be trusted when it comes to acts of violence. The Americans had been pointing fingers at China for web spying, thats until Mr. Snowden showed the world the biggest hackers were the Americans.

In other words, an other Chinese lie.

What lie are you talking about? China's commitment to freedom of navigation?

I think it is Japan that's telling lies since it clearly doesn't respect freedom of navigation in the Pacific Ocean.

@Guru29 We're not talking about navigation here, we're talking about military exercises in international waters: A deeply provocative action

So you think conducting military exercises in the Pacific Ocean is deeply provocative but stalking Chinese ships like a chiken during a military exercise with live firing isn't provocative or dangerous?

The fact is China isn't the only country that have conducted military exercises in international waters. Many countries that have a decent navy have been doing the same. Do you think the exercises of all these countries are deeply provocative too?

Besides that, if China doesn't go to the Pacific Ocean, it will have to conduct military exercises in the East China sea or South China sea which are now considered disputed waters. You think conducting military exercises in disputed waters is not provocative but doing the same in the high sea is?

"Japan has no need to refer Senkaku dispute to ICJ: official"

It's Japan who doesn't want to refer the issue to ICJ, not the other way around. Why doesn't Japan want to resolve the issue peacefully?

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2013/09/246239.html

OssanAmerica. China has recommended to settle this issue with ICJ but it is Japan who refused. Don't blame China. It is the Japanese government who refuses to settle this issue at ICJ fearing it will force Japan to acknowledge there is a dispute.

SecularBeastNov. 01, 2013 - 10:55AM JST

@Dog, @hsien90210 - The legal status quo favours the Japanese so of course they see no dispute, and have no reason to take it to the ICJ. It's not rocket science.

It's up to CCP China as the 'aggrieved' party to present its case to the ICJ, and the CCP won't do this because it does not wish to become subject to international rulings (which is why the CCP thinks it can ignore Japan's existing internationally recognized 'ownership' of the islands in the first place

Again change of tactis to the evasive. All we were pointing out was that neither party is willing to take the Senkaku/Daiyo dispute to the ICJ, contrary to what wome posters were claiming on here.

China is fine with that because time is on China's side.

Matthew SimonNov. 01, 2013 - 10:40AM JST

Why should Japan need to go to the ICJ for territory that was lawfully ceded to the by the USA after the occupation ended? I am curious if China would agree to go to the ICJ about Tibet. China is all bark and no bite.

Change of tactic.....Hsien and I were just toilet training OssanAmerica who, as usual, was defecating over a potentially good thread.

When we caught him with his pants down - Japan doesn't want to take the Senkaku issues to the ICJ - he runs off to blow-hard over another thread.

Personally I don't think China should take the Daiyo dispute to the ICJ, they just military occupy them and sod everyone else. After all that's what Japan did in 1895.

I don't think Japan has got the cajonnes to go toe to toe with China over this and the US is war weary and unwilling to go to war over a few rocks and goats, especially when the true details of the dispute is explained to them.