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"“We demand the Japanese side strictly abide by the one-China principle and promises made to China on the Taiwan issue..."

Why? China unilaterally ripped up the 1972 Sino-Japanese Treaty of Friendship so why can't Japan rip up the one-China principle? Besides, if democratic Taiwan wants to go independent, there'd still only be one Chinese dictatorship. China can remain the one China to it's hearts content.

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I just think the time has come for the Japanese government to drop the diplo-speak and just respond plainly and directly. As in:

"Japan is a sovereign country and who we allow to visit our shores is an internal matter. We will not tolerate any interference in this principle."

I could say it more plainly, but am afraid it might offend a few sensibilities here.

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Taiwan, regardless of what PRC thinks or says is a independent country already. Taiwan doesn't need PRC permission to do what she wants. Taiwanese people doesn't need PRC permission to travel around the world. In fact, Taiwanese care their own passport that is different from PRC passport. These are some points that we can see that there are in fact two different countries, but there more points that show evidence that PRC and Taiwan are different countries in practice.

PRC actually didnt accept the fact that she lost Taiwan long ago and keep saying that this island belong to her. Taiwan became independent from China in 1895 when she turned to be part of Japan as result of Sino-Japanese war. When the WWII ended, Taiwan became a isolate land and by the beggining of 1950s it turned to be part of independent government that has nothing to do with PRC.

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Tantrums again.

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China angered by Japan visit of Taiwan opposition leader

Normally I'm with China when it comes to Japan's historical revisonism - but where Taiwan is concerned they need to butt out. Taiwan is an independent country in all but name, and has been for about 70 years now. Yet due to China's unwillingness to accept this state of affairs, they are forced to live with a kind of limbo government, neither controlled from Beijing, or a separate country.

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China says Taiwan can't declare independence.

Let me see, it has its own border controls, military, currency, parliament etc. Looks pretty independent to me.

China should just simply accept that the people of Taiwan see things differently and let them be.

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Should we expect any other type of comments from the arrogant Chinese Turds that hate free speech? NO!

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Japan should not give anyone a platform to promote Taiwan independence views.

Why??

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Taiwan for Pete's sake shouldn't declare independence or anything. Such words aren't worth it.

But it should make it's independence a fact on the ground. This by increasing it's economic ties with the rest of the region and China's rivals in Japan and the U.S. and beyond. These are areas where China can't really interfere.

It should also diminish China from the political debate and place it just on the economic and military (threat) level. Hear them out but carry on with your business. Any interference from China will simply further damage it's already poor reputation among the Taiwanese.

Also promote a Taiwanese identity. Democracy, free speech, personal rights, economic liberties, friendly relations with the international community. Nothing China can do about it either without damaging itself before their eyes.

And also remind everyone in the country about the scam the "Two Systems, One Country" fraud which China tries to sell them and the violated promise of democracy it delivered to Hong Kong.

That way the Taiwanese will have true independence and have the will to defend it. At least until China itself becomes a multi-party democracy with normal individual rights.

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@Akula "China should just simply accept that the people of Taiwan see things differently and let them be."

I hear you but having spent years in Taiwan myself you maybe interested to know that many people living in Taiwan identify themselves as Chinese and not Taiwanese (mostly outside of Taipei) so i think even if there was ever a referendum on the subject of pure independence the people would not choose to separate themselves anymore from "the mainland".

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Most Taiwanese consists of ethnic Chinese and it was KMT that fought Japanese during WW2 but even then, Taiwan and Japan can establish a good relationship today and move on from the past. CCP, please learn from Taiwan.

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@Mitsuo

Hi; I agree with the sentiments of your post, but this:

When the WWII ended, Taiwan became a isolate land and by the beggining of 1950s it turned to be part of independent government

is not accurate. After WWII, Taiwan was returned to China as a province of the Republic of China. After the Communists took control of most of ROC and turned it into PRC (People's Republic of China) in 1949, Taiwan remained under the ROC government (the Kuomintang) which fled there.

I'm in Taipei right now; last month I was in China. Fact is, Taiwan is already a de facto independent country - but they have to be very careful about trying to make this de jure due to the likely reaction from China. Of course, if the people of Taiwan want to declare independence, China should shut up and accept it; but we know they won't. And as others have pointed out, it isn't a given that everyone in Taiwan actually wishes to declare independence; many do still identify as Chinese and want Taiwan to be part of China, but they don't accept the CCP as the legitimate government of China.

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WhaaaaaaaaaaaH:

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Taiwan was returned to China as a province of the Republic of China

Nope, Japan did not return it to ROC, Japan forfeited sovereign rights to the island for any one to make claim. ROC made claim to the island right after. There were no treaties between Japan and ROC to transfer sovereign rights.

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Ok, thank you for the extra detail; but the point remains that Taiwan became part of ROC in 1945. Japanese forces in Taiwan surrendered to ROC forces and handed control of Taiwan directly to ROC

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Dear China, please repeat after me. Taiwan is an independent country. Tibet will soon be an independent country. Manchuria was an independent country and will once again become one. Uighurstan will be an independent country. Good, thank you.

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Taiwanese don't like anyone to take use of Taiwan as a chess to play political game in east asia region, and anyone try to do the same is not friend of Taiwan!

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Taiwan is wise enough to recognize its true friends from its enemies. Japan is Taiwan's true friend from ancient days. In fact, Taiwan regards Japan as a civilizer and benefactor of Taiwan's early industrialization. And Taiwan's future lies with the West, including Japan, and not with the PRC, which has ruined Macau and Hong Kong and would do the same to Taiwan. Now, as the Chinese economy is surely headed into an abyss, not a hard landing but a complete ruination, Taiwan maintains good relations with Japan and the US.

Even when all the Chinese trolls believed it impossible that the PRC would be suffering these massive losses leading to economic collapse, I told you the straight facts and everything I predicted happened on the timescale I told you. Now Huawei announced massive layoffs of nearly a third of its 170,000 workforce and Heilongjiang is being forced to lay off 100,000 of its workforce. And there are thousands of other companies that are caught in the same trap, bleeding jobs and profits that will eventually bankrupt all Chinese businesses.

And then, of course, all these companies have millions of pensioners who are supported by the health of the Chinese economy which cannot stop bleeding the lifeblood of Chinese workers. The CCP is responsible for this fiasco in being irresponsible in its claims to the Senkakus, which began this whole mess. When we saw a healthy China intent on war, we determined to mortally wound China’s economy and then to partition the country into the three new Han nations of the Yangtze People's Republic, the Yellow River Federation and the Pearl River Union, with all the colonies returned to autonomous rule.

I warned you all two years running that the PRC was going to come to a crashing fall if the PLA continued to be aggressive in the East China Sea. Now, we are watching the economy of China being quickly deconstructed, with October, 2015 (that’s right around the corner), being the beginning of the "CCP Depression" in China. But there's still time to dissolve the behemoth into its constituent parts before the entire wealth of its people is consumed in holding together the PRC house of cards. It’s time for a Mao-style Revolution against the CCP. That’s how the Chinese save themselves from dire poverty and a war China cannot win.

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The case is closed.

The case is not closed. Nothing has changed. The Northern Territories are still occupied by Russians.

If the bird doesn't sing, wait until it sings (鳴かぬなら鳴くまで待とう時鳥). If the bird doesn't wish to return the Northern Territories, wait until it does.

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And as others have pointed out, it isn't a given that everyone in Taiwan actually wishes to declare independence; many do still identify as Chinese and want Taiwan to be part of China, but they don't accept the CCP as the legitimate government of China.

Many as in majority of them?

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