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no legal basis" as it does not constitute an island

Spratlys?

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China demands Japanese fishing boats not trespass in its waters

Which means, Japan is doing right within own territory. Instead, be very careful when Beijing praises Japan....

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Just rocks? No worries, build an island there.

If it's good enough for China, then it's good enough for Japan.

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While it is inviting military action from China, Japan has to put a permanent presence on one of the islets, if possible. Like the phrase says. "Use it or lose it." Mother Nature might make it too treacherous to build something though. However, it's not as if China hasn't done the same thing by grabbing islands and even building their own.

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Japan has to put a permanent presence on one of the islets, if possible. Like the phrase says. "Use it or lose it." Mother Nature might make it too treacherous to build something though.

The islands are big enough to build something on there without problems. But that should not be necessary, the islands are Japanese. There exists numerous uninhabited islands in the world that are clear to belong to a certain country. Why not just declare them as a nature reserve area or the like, no buildings allowed. On the other hand, a manned station of any kind would be helpful to define any further attempt from China to steal the islands as an invasion or as an act of war.

Any civilized country would handle such a dispute in a court like the ICJ. Hello China, go there and make your claims! Same goes for Korea with Takeshima/Liancourt Rocks. Japan is willing to settle the arguments by a verdict, why don't you!? Are your arguments too weak?

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Meanwhile the US is sailing its warships in the area too. Flexing and coaxing. How else would the US keep its economy going...

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@saitamaliving

Any civilized country would handle such a dispute in a court like the ICJ.

Unfortunately toothless and China wouldn't pay attention.

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China is cruising for a war

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It is unusual for China to call on the Japanese government to manage the operation of fishing boats in waters surrounding the inhabited islands, which the Chinese side calls Diaoyu.

The move appears aimed at weakening Japan's effective control over the islands and strengthening China's sovereignty claims.

Is there ANY country China is not picking a fight with???

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Lets have a war again and settle these disputes, how about that ??

Hard to believe GREED still at work after all these advancements, someone would think that it is in the best interest of Japan and China to resolve this dispute ASAP and get on with life.

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Good. China's getting a taste of their own medicine.

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After Korea stole Takeshima from war ravaged Japan they built some structures and left a garrison along with a huge Korea flag to pretend it had been Korea since the extinction of the dinosaurs.

Why can't the JSDF occupy the Senkaku? Then local politicians could fly there once in a while on the US2 from Iwakuni to inspect and make speeches.

Come on people it's your country! Use it or lose it!

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Lets have a war again and settle these disputes, how about that ??

Says the entitled...

Seriously?

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China should keep its own boats in their waters before telling other nations to do so

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How about ‘janken’?

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@ re article: "China complained to Japan early this month about Japanese fishing boats allegedly "trespassing" in its territorial waters near a group of disputed islands in the East China Sea, it was learned Sunday.

June 4, two China Coast Guard ships intruded into Japanese territorial waters for a record 39 hours and 23 minutes, the longest period of time since the islands were placed under Japanese state control in September 2012.

10 June Tokyo protested to Beijing over marine research activity by a Chinese ship in what Japan regards as its exclusive economic zone near Okinotori Island, the country's southernmost point of territory.

Change the name of the southern Japan area containing the Senkaku Islands from "Tonoshiro" to "Tonoshiro Senkaku," which Beijing sees as an attempt to cement Tokyo's claim."

Trespassing? An International Tribunal which China is part of ruled without any doubt these islets are Japan's. Chinese data to prove this was also submitted, reviewed and considered. But like any other times in history China does not recognize any such signed or declared documentation but their own version. That is a proven fact. Japan had ever right in its defense for intrusion and attack on its sovereignty to defend itself in accordance with (IWA) its constitution since 1959. No need for Constitution agreement or coordinate with any allies, and all perfectly legal. Why is this critical for many reasons Japan's own economic exclusive zone is being invaded by the Chinese while openly doing so. How, the aka research which in the past China has used to take control of water rights from its neighbors despite all the talk and diplomacy, aka the man made islands. Japan's weak counter of renaming an islet has less effect, since it didn't stop the research or any other Chinese boats coming well inside Japanese waters. Building and placing a Japanese flag, while detaching a SDF team there would have surely sent any one a clear message that these are indeed Japan's, afterall China built its man made islands despite all the talks and today it is still there and the buildup continues. If I was in government that flag monument would have been built years ago more likely the next day after the International Tribunal passed their acknowledgement decision. This way if China made a move, Japan clearly could in its defense blow any intrusions out of the water and if China retaliated; well that is what the US military is here for correct? All legal and within the Constitution rights of Japan. No need to change the Constitution or continue with useless talks and diplomacy that clearly doesn't work or has never worked in the first place except politicians getting fatter and fatter in both weight and their own bank accounts. Perhaps the people of Japan should look into how many of the Diet members are invested in China and what returns are they getting? This certaintly would be news worthy of a media reporter to investigate.

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Somebody, please, bomb that rocks altogether!

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Is there ANY country China is not picking a fight with???

This is because they are doing so called 'Wolf Warrior' thing. See below:

Wolf Warrior and Wolf Warrior II are Chinese action blockbusters that highlight agents of Chinese special operation forces. They have boosted national pride and patriotism among Chinese viewers.

“Wolf-warrior diplomacy,” named after these movies, describes offensives by Chinese diplomat to defend China’s national interests, often in confrontational ways.

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China should practice what they expect of others.

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Is there ANY country China is not picking a fight with???

I think San Marino has escaped their attention so far, but that might change by next week.

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China is cruising for a war

That’s funny, I didn’t read about China sending three aircraft carriers around American waters.

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Sinocentrism...

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Communist China had better shut up. If push came to shove, they will back down. Guaranteed. The Japanese Navy, 4th strongest in the world, would finish the Chinese Navy off within 2 weeks.

I agree with other posters : I'd love to see a fortified Japanese Defense Base built on the Senkakus, with anti-ship guns and around 1000 soldiers stationed permanently there.

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The Chinese government as usual is outrageous and sneaky in it’s arrogant and bully way.

I never recall Japan or any of his vessels both civilians and from the self defense force provoking or invading a foreign country since the end of the last war.

In this matter Japan must stay firm to it’s ground and make a stand together with the westerner countries,the other asian neighborhoods and all the world’s democracies against the communist totalitarian rhetoric of China.

We can really say that China replaced the old USSR in all the ways,even in it’s evilness.

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Below is the snapshot of the Chinese tactics with all its neighbours...

Exclusively for the global news media: China demands Japanese fishing boats not trespass in its waters

Fact: Chinese submarines already in Japan waters, taking all the strategic information of the area and relaying it back to its defence headquarters in mainland.

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@fighto!

historically they Senkaku/Diaoyu were Chinese. I have personally seen documents.

as a scuba diver and lover of ecology, I would like to see a 200km patrolled nature reserve paid with by tourism.

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All of Japan lies in what the Chinese claim to be their territorial waters. The UN has repeatedly rejected their claim that the "9-dash line" or whatever they call it defines their maritime boundaries. Rather than act reasonably, they stonewall, refuse to accept the UN ruling, and continue to violate the territory and ignore the boundaries of neighboring countries throughout Asia.

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@fighto!

I think China would obliterate Japan in any kind of fight, sadly.

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Thomas GoodtimeToday  01:14 pm JST

@fighto!

I think China would obliterate Japan in any kind of fight, sadly.

That's wishful wumao thinking. Japan would obliterate China in any kind of limited engagement, particularly maritime. Japan is the only country in Asia to have gone head to head with Western powers, and have proven naval capability since the late 1800s. China has never displayed naval capabilty, ever.

What China does have is a huge advantage in all-out warfare including nuclear weapons, which, if used would result in China being obliterated by the United States under Article 5 of the US-JPN Mutal Defense Treaty.

China is having very severe internal problems and they are now turning to provoking conflicts with everybody and their mothers to incite nationalism.

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That’s funny, I didn’t read about China sending three aircraft carriers around American waters.

1, China does not have three aircraft carriers to send anywhere.

2, America has not sent three aircraft carriers around Chinese waters. They exercise in the South China sea which every nation knows is International waters.

Will china also claim ownership of the moon because a Chinese farmer looked up at it millennia ago and claimed it for all of China for all time? How could such an ancient and undeniable claim be refuted?

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Next stop for China, Okinawa. That's when things'll start to get really interesting.

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@fighto!

I think China would obliterate Japan in any kind of fight, sadly.

@ Thomas Goodtime. Japan has a solid record of military dominance over China. I see no evidence to suggest Communist China of today could defeat Japan whose military is extremely strong, hi-tech and smart. Make no mistake, the Japanese Navy and her subs could sink the two rustbucket Russian "Aircraft Carriers" any time they wished. In fact, they are watching them ready to go now.

The US would turn Communist China into a sea of fire if they were ever stupid enough to even think of going the nuclear option.

Communist China is backed into a corner, and their weak military is no threat whatsoever to Japan, who have them covered.

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Lots of tough talk. Even just military exercises are hugely expensive. Can anyone afford a war right now? There must be a reason why China is provoking right this moment, if that is what they re doing

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Yes there is a reason why China is doing this now, starting fights with everybody. Nobody wants a war, but I wouldn't put it past the CCP dictatorship to start one if it meant not losing control of China.

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"The Japanese Navy, 4th strongest in the world, would finish the Chinese Navy off within 2 weeks".

It's 4th largest but not necessarily the strongest, it doesn't have a nuclear deterrent... or super carriers from which to carry out sustained sorties. Global Fire Power ony rates conventional power.

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China's economy is at a net positive now I seem to recall reading just recently.

Meanwhile Japan even as it experiences a recession is actually doing good relatively compared to some countries.

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China's economy is at a net positive now I seem to recall reading just recently.

Dont fall for the trap and believe that propaganda piece penned by the Communist regime. The reality is the Chinese economy is in free-fall.

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Dont fall for the trap and believe that propaganda piece penned by the Communist regime. The reality is the Chinese economy is in free-fall.

Any evidence for that, cobber? My company does a lot of business with China.

Links, please.

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@ Jimizo - we have been able to assume for decades now that any figures or "official" news out of Communist China is to be taken with a grain of salt. It is, after all, propaganda. Be they glowing economic figures, Covid infection/death numbers, the denials of imprisonment and ethnic cleansing of Uighurs, the list is endless.

Never trust the murderous ChiNazis.

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Dont fall for the trap and believe that propaganda piece penned by the Communist regime. The reality is the Chinese economy is in free-fall.

I said China not US

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Tne Chinese ambassador to New Zealand DEMANDED N Z keep its opinions to itself.

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Goodlucktoyou July 20 12:44 pm JST

historically they Senkaku/Diaoyu were Chinese. I have personally seen documents.

China may have documents proving the existence of the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands as part of its territory in past eras. But all those legal documents were annulled, at the time the UN signed the Treaty of San Francisco in 1951.

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That's rude to say the least. They must have some real leverage

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But all those legal documents were annulled, at the time the UN signed the Treaty of San Francisco in 1951.

You mean China was a signatory to the treaty?

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And to add to what was said in the previous comment.

The Treaty of San Francisco signed by the UN in 1951 It is the only legal document, based on international law. Where it is credited that the Senkaku Islands belong territorially to Japan.

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i@nToday 02:53 am JST

You mean China was a signatory to the treaty?

China is a permanent member of the UN Security Council. And the 1978 China-Japan treaty. It's based on the legal parameters of the 1951 San Francisco Treaty.

China has to comply with the documents he signed himself. That's called complying with the law.

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Craig WilliamsJuly 20  06:10 pm JST

"The Japanese Navy, 4th strongest in the world, would finish the Chinese Navy off within 2 weeks".

It's 4th largest but not necessarily the strongest, it doesn't have a nuclear deterrent... or super carriers from which to carry out sustained sorties. Global Fire Power ony rates conventional power.

If you count "nuclear deterrent" then you need to include the United States Navy as part of Japan's naval capabilities under Article 5 of the US-JPN Mutual Defense Treaty, which 2 US Secretaries of State, 2 US Secretaries of Defense and the POTUS have declared would be invoked if China attempts to take the Senkakus by military force.

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GoodlucktoyouJuly 20  12:44 pm JST

@fighto!

historically they Senkaku/Diaoyu were Chinese. I have personally seen documents.

Oh I guess that settles that. lol

"British and German maps produced in the second half of the nineteenth century include the Senkaku Islands (part of Ishigaki in Okinawa Prefecture) as Japanese territory–Japan’s national border lines west of Kuba Island (of the Senkaku Islands). These newly discovered historical sources date from before the First Sino-Japanese War (1894-1895), demolishing China’s claim that Japan had stolen the Senkakus from China during that war."

http://www.sdh-fact.com/essay-article/909/

"Atlas of China maps produced by Taipei in 1959, 1963, and 1967 all show the Senkaku as Japanese (part of the Ryukyu), use their Japanese names, and do not refer to any dispute in their status. For the 1972 edition the maps were altered to show the Senkaku as ROC territory, using their Chinese name, and an official declaration that borders were not necessarily official was printed on the maps for the first time. However, preparation was hasty and the index still referred to the Senkaku as Japanese."

"The situation for the PRC is similar. Though nothing academic appears to be out there, this excellent post rounds up many official texts and maps from the Beijing side. In fact, down to 1969 maps produced by Beijing show the Senkaku as undisputed Japanese territory, while Beijing's Taiwan maps never connected the Senkaku with Taiwan"

https://thediplomat.com/2013/11/constructing-chinas-claims-to-the-senkaku/

"A Japanese publication posted what it claimed was a 1950 Chinese government document unearthed in China’s own archives calling the disputed islands by their Japanese name, implying that Beijing then regarded the islands as Japanese. China’s embassy in Japan sidestepped the question of the document’s authenticity, saying that “even if the document exists, it won’t change the consistent position of the Chinese government.” 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-wages-a-quiet-war-of-maps-with-its-neighbors/2013/02/14/d682b704-76b3-11e2-aa12-e6cf1d31106b_story.html

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/03/17/national/politics-diplomacy/foreign-ministrys-1969-china-map-identifies-senkaku-islands-by-japanese-name/

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What a sad cognition of the world! Is this what Takaaki Oishi calls sinocentrism? Maybe. I wonder if this has something to do with Taoism, Confucianism, Buddhism or Communism. It's really sad if the Chinese still think the whole world belongs to them.

I've always wondered who named that vast ocean Taiheiyo (Taipingyang / the Pacific Ocean). I had thought until recently that it was the Chinese because of the nice Chinese characters given to it. I have long thought the English name "the Pacific Ocean" had come from this, translated of Taipingyang. 

But I was wrong. It was Ferdinand Magellan who named this peaceful ocean "the Pacific Ocean".

If one follow the Chinese way of thinking, the Pacific Ocean may belong to Spain or Portugal because Magellan, a Portuguese, navigated the world's oceans under the commission of and in the name of Spanish monarch, King Carlos 1.

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