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“It’s two things: it’s part of the legal efforts, and we want to exert our legal claim in a less confrontational way,” Ruan said. “We don’t want to see escalation, particularly with fighter jets. That would be very dangerous from any point of view.”

Gee, ya think?

Maybe China shouldn't have gone the junk boat->civilian research ship->civilian aircraft->government ship->government aircraft (what's next in the pattern? Military ships/aircraft?) route over the Senkakus. Some people might mistake that orderly progression as escalation.

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But he added: “The Japanese side ought to face up to history and reality, take practical steps and work hard with China to find an effective way to appropriately resolve and manage the issue via dialogue and consultations.” This is very true, but the hearts and souls of scum like racist Ishihara feel proud of what Japan did to the "inferior" Chinese, Koreans etc.. So not much chance to get an appology out of ignorant, racist fools like Ishihara etc...

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Elbuda, Ishihara may be a racist but I didn't see thousands of Japanese marching in the streets smashing Chinese stores and business', calling for boycotts and assaulting innocent Chinese people. In fact he didn't even call for it. Whereas we all know the Chinese government orchestrates anti-Japan demonstrations in China. Perspective is needed if good relations are the goal. As for facing up to history and reality, Japan already has apologized in 1972 and China accepted, signing the Treaty of Friendship. How about China facing up to their own history and reality? How do they justify mandatory "patriotic education" vilifying Japan in their schools after that? If you're looking for "racism" as a cause of current problems, you're looking at the wrong side of the ocean.

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OssanAmerica, there were some cases in which some banana heads set fire on a Chinese school or harassed the Chinese from their cars, but most the Japanese played it cool, as if to say, "Go on, smash things up, China, and let's see what sorts of idiots you will make of yourselves shouting like that."

What's China gonna do about the nationalists that it agitated against Japan??? I guess that China will have to continue its fiery rhetoric against the Japanese not to look tired in all this.

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So is Honest Abe going to surrender the islands to the Peoples Republic? That is the ONLY outcome they will accept. The big corps are probably worried they will lose their producer of cheap goods. ざんねんぐわんど

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OssanAmerica: "Elbuda, Ishihara may be a racist but I didn't see thousands of Japanese marching in the streets smashing Chinese stores and business', calling for boycotts and assaulting innocent Chinese people"

Nah, the wingers here just stomp on and drag flags through the mud, burn elementary school gates (Chinese school), etc., and that's only what's reported.

Anyway, it's good that Yamaguchi is pressing hard and Pei is listening. Leave it to the Komeito to be the ones serious enough to actually try and resolve international issues and bring about peace. They have had immense success in the past in dealing with China and getting suffrage rights for permanent residents (first or second or what have you generations of Koreans/Chinese) in small towns in Japan.

Having Japan admit to the past instead of white-washing history texts and rescinding apologies is going to be a very sticky point, but I hope China can let that sit somewhat on the backburner for the time being and allow ties to mend. That said, Japan also cannot push further in such a lull to have apologies stricken from the record and further alter the textbooks towards nationlistic sentiment and ignoring the past. As I've said before, put sovereignty aside for the moment and work on joint development of the supposed gas fields in the area -- you'll have both nations back in bed together in no time.

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smith if you think the limited number of such incidents in Japan even compares to the scale of what happened in China you're living on another planet. The right-wing in Japan are a minority and being a democracy they are limited in their influence. In contrast, All of China is Right-wing because it's not Communist anymore, it's Fascist. Hating Japan as much as you do is one ting,. but to support fascism for it just seems really silly.

http://rense.com/general37/char.htm

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Yuri, What's guwando?

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OssanAmericaJan. 26, 2013 - 08:59AM JST

The right-wing in Japan are a minority

You seriously are joking, aren't you.

The right-wing is the government here in Japan.

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Ossan: "smith if you think the limited number of such incidents in Japan even compares to the scale of what happened in China you're living on another planet."

Where did I say that? I simply point out that it happens here too, and despite the fact that it's on a lesser scale, it's the same rancor and show of hatred, and it meets more or less the same response from the government.

"The right-wing in Japan are a minority and being a democracy they are limited in their influence."

There's where it's amusing; you see, just like the government of China allowing, to an extent, these things to go on (and in many cases they DID try to stop the violence, which I've linked before), the Japanese government never attempts to stop the wingers, and in fact depends on them (especially Abe) for votes.

"In contrast, All of China is Right-wing because it's not Communist anymore, it's Fascist."

Most of the government, perhaps, but don't go talking about 'minorities' and 'limits' in Japan and turn around with blanket statements about an entire billion of the world's population.

"Hating Japan as much as you do is one ting,. but to support fascism for it just seems really silly."

I don't hate Japan, and never have. I DO hate he uber-naitionalism and other "tings" people like yourself embrace without any real knowledge of the other side and what's going on. And I don't support fascism, real or imagined (as you often do), so stop trying to undermine people's arguments by suggesting that if they don't support one side 100% they automatically support the other -- that went out with the "you're with us or against us" crap a long time ago.

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Maybe China shouldn't have gone the junk boat->civilian research ship->civilian aircraft->government ship-government aircraft (what's next in the pattern? Military ships/aircraft?) route over the Senkakus. Some people might mistake that orderly progression as escalation.

May be US should't have encouraged right wing politicians> spreading anti PRC propaganda > flying and provoking with Drone (what's next in the pattern? Aircraft carrier/sub marines?0) route over the south China sea. Some people realized that US has commercial and strategic interest for making in-orderly progression as middle east chaos and instability with inflammation.

One more thing has PRC has no combat ready air-craft carrier at the moment. Japan should follow PRC way for saving money not wasting and becoming broke!

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OssanAmericaJan. 26, 2013 - 08:22AM JST As for facing up to history and reality, Japan already has apologized in 1972 and China accepted, signing the Treaty of Friendship. How about China facing up to their own history and reality? How do they justify mandatory "patriotic education" vilifying Japan in their schools after that? If you're looking for "racism" as a cause of current problems, you're looking at the wrong side of the ocean.

Like every year, when you have over 60 J-goverment officials and Abe before becoming a PM visited and prayed for 14 class A war criminals, it does not help to improve relationship with China and Korea. These elected officials are doing the same thing every year. Apologies don't mean anything when your elected officials that represents millions of Japanese people still go to Yasukuni to pray for their buddy Tojo and JIA. Japan cannot make small steps forward like what Germany did. If PM Abe has any guts, he should demand that no J-goverment representative will go to Yasukuni, or your fired.

It's all about Japan continuing playing the victim card and nothing else is allowed. To have a better understanding of atrocities that were committed by JIA to their neighboring countries, is there any large museum in Tokyo or other major cities that detail the massacure of Nanjing, Manila, Manchuria, and other parts of Southeast Asia that are paid by the Japan goverment? In a annual Hiroshima August 6th rememberance, did anybody including the PM mentioned about the sufferings that Japan caused to their neighbors? No wonder Chinese delegation never attends Hiroshima memorial.

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NathawJan. 26, 2013 - 09:42AM JST

One more thing has PRC has no combat ready air-craft carrier at the moment. Japan should follow PRC way for saving money not wasting and becoming broke!

I wish writers on here would understand properly the military value of aircraft carriers. Aircraft carriers are not the be all and end all of military conflicts, they merely allow a power to project their airpower in theatres, which without them would not be open to them. Even then the British, after the Falklands estimated that an aircraft carrier force needs a 3:1 superiority in numbers/technology to be effective against a land base force.

China doesn't need aircraft carriers to conduct operations in the China seas, it can operate from its land bases effectively.

These people who keep placing the lack of a Chinese blue fleet as a Chinese weakness in any Chinese military operation in the China seas are living in cloud cuckoo land, they're not trying to attack Hawaii, and the whole 'aircraft carrier or not' discussion is rather reminiscent of the Dreadnought discussions of the early 20th Century

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@Hiroicci Sounds like you want other countries governments to squelch it's citizens on your behalf. Don't allow them Freedom of Speech or any form of dissent.

For the longest time you have looked down on your neighbors. I've seen how Japanese have treated foreign residents. Now you want to steal the islands and then send a letter to their Prime Minister so you can get Chinese back to work building your products. Very racist indeed.

I remember when someone told me the Japanese for disposal cameras. It' was "baka something". Anyway I remember the Japanese guy explained it to me as "So easy even a Korean can use it". One of the ugliest Japanese expressions I had ever heard. I'm glad I'm forgetting it exactly.

It's because of things like this that I know who's lying and who's telling the truth. I know that China is NOT the monster that some bloggers want people like me to believe. I know my history and I know who helped build America and who helped create all the wonderful things I have in my life. It certainly wasn't the Japanese. Japan wants to bring our planes down with defective batteries.

China doesn't need to police it's people. JUSCO can leave Japan. Don't force Chinese to buy Japanese products.

P.S: China's government did not orchestrate any protests. If they wanted the Japanese Embassy in flames it would be so.

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Act II: In a submission to the U.N. Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf, China claims that the continental shelf in the East China Sea is a natural prolongation of China’s land territory and that it includes the disputed islands.

I wonder why is Japan afraid of this LEGAL move by China. I see China act very civilize here, don't ya'all think? Usually when somebody don't have confidence about his claim to something he reject due process or try to divert attention to something else hoping to keep holding on to his unjustified possessions. You can conclude yourself who I am referring to.

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Dog Jan. 26, 2013 - 10:00AM JST China doesn't need aircraft carriers to conduct operations in the China seas, it can operate from its land bases effectively. These people who keep placing the lack of a Chinese blue fleet as a Chinese weakness in any Chinese military operation in the China seas are living in cloud cuckoo land, they're not trying to attack Hawaii, and the whole 'aircraft carrier or not' discussion is rather reminiscent of the Dreadnought discussions of the early 20th Century

Let's make it clear. Despite China introducing a wide range of new hardware in recent years, including jet fighters, helicopters, destroyers, submarines and a refurbished Russian aircraft carrier, China still lacks many of the basic systems, organizations and procedures necessary to defeat a determined, well-equipped foe. Take, for example, aerial refueling. To deploy large numbers of effective aerial tankers requires the ability to build and support large jet engines, something China cannot yet do. In-air refueling also demands planning and coordination beyond anything the China has ever pulled off. As a result, tanker aircraft are in short supply in China.

That’s putting it lightly. China operates just 14 small tanker for off-loadable fuel. the U.S. Air Force alone possesses more than 500 tankers, each off-loading around 100,000 kilograms of fuel. So while China in theory boasts more than 1,500 jet fighters and only around 300 Su-27s. In reality it can refuel only 50 or 60 at a time, assuming all the H-6 tankers are working perfectly. In an air war over Senkaku/Daiyou, hundreds of miles from most Chinese bases, only those 50 fighters would be able to spend more than a few minutes’ flight time over the battlefield. China could take a similar approach to leveling its current disadvantage at sea. Submarines have always been the most potent ship-killers in any nation’s inventory, but China’s subs are too few, too noisy and their crews too inexperienced to take on the U.S. Navy and Japan Navy. Once the shooting started, the Chinese submarine force would be highly vulnerable.

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OssanAmerica: It would be terribly wrong for China not to teach history of China/Japan wars and atrocities to the next generations. The United States does teach the new generations about the war of independence against Britain. Of course, there is no former colonial country that likes to be reminded about its past deeds, Japan is not an exception. However, both China and Japan should try not rub the old wounds and let it heal. Scars will always be there.

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@sfjp 330

You ought to do a little more research.

The Chinese are having no trouble in sending Y-12 propeller planes over the Senkaku and China’s Jian-10 fighter jets are reportedly capable of covering the distance from their coastal bases to the Daioyu in about 10 minutes.

An aircraft carrier naval flotilla, as Yamamoto showed, is only as effective as the planes it carries and again must have an overwhelming superiority when fighting an enemy operating from land bases. Submarines or not, this would not be a naval conflict because the disputed landmass is only 7 kms and a small airborne transported force, paratroopers, not 100,000 soldiers, could take control of the landmass in a matter of hours.

The US is seriously underestimating China but maybe that happens to all bullies in the end who are so used to pushing their weight around against countries like Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq.

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Dog....I guess you know your math. If the coastal base is 200 miles away, and you travel in 10 minutes, the Chinese jet is flying at 1200 mph? Is this correct?

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At last sense is setting in and rounds of dialogues begin. Long overdue. I always wonder whether a few goats on a bunch of barren rocks are worth sacrificing anything at all!

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sfjp330Jan. 26, 2013 - 10:37AM JST

Dog....I guess you know your math. If the coastal base is 200 miles away, and you travel in 10 minutes, the Chinese jet is flying at 1200 mph? Is this correct?

Please just do a very little bit of research.

Here's one source from Japan's own, not the best and but there are lots of respectable sources out there which back up my claim.

The Chinese coast is 330 km from Uotsuri, the largest of the five Senkaku islets, a distance that China’s Jian-10 fighter jets are reportedly capable of covering in about 10 minutes http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/01/14/news/long-term-plan-for-senkaku-provocations-in-works/

Just a little research, please, and then the conversation can go onto the next plateau.

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In a letter published in a popular English-language newspaper in Japan, an Australian-residing man named William Chow questions about how the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands came under Japanese jurisdiction and asserts that they were ceded to Japan by the feeble Qing China as the result of the Sino-Japanese War (1894-1895).

The Cairo Declaration, issued on Nov 27, 1943, stated: "All the territories Japan has stolen from the Chinese, such as Manchuria, Taiwan and the Pescadores, shall be restored to the Republic of China. Japan will also be expelled from all other territories she has taken by violence and greed."

Since Japan accepted the terms of unconditional surrender stipulated in the Potsdam Proclamation as well as the Cairo Declaration, contends Chow, it's natural that Japan should observe those terms faithfully and fulfill its obligation.

Now my question is: Was there any possibility for the defeated Japan to have any say about the surrender terms dictated by the Allies over its former territories? Manchuria, Taiwan, the Pescadores and other affiliated islands (Matsu, Kinmen, Little Liuqiu, Green Island, Lanyu) were restored to China automatically when Japan surrendered. The Ryukyu Islands or Nansei Shoto from Amami Oshima (initially, Kuchinoshima in the Tokara Islands) down to Yonaguni Island, the Senkaku Islands included, were stripped from Japan and eventually put under a U.S. trusteeship -- that is, under direct U.S. military administration.

Why weren't the Senkaku Islands returned to China when Taiwan was restored? Apparently, they were not considered the spoils of war Japan had taken from Qing China in 1895 when the Treaty of Shimonoseki (also known as the Treaty of Maguan) was signed. Japan had already been investigating for ten years before that to determine if the islands were terra nullius, and concluded that it was, thereby annexing them, that happened to be in 1895 or, more precisely, three months before the war ended.

In that same year, the thitherto-uninhabited Daito Islands, located 300 km East of Okinawa Island and locally known as Uhuagarijima (Great East Islands), were also officially annexed to Japan and put under the jurisdiction of Okinawa Prefecture. Historically, incidentally, the Senkakus were known in local Okinawa as Iigunjima (literally, Dive-Fishing Spear Islands,-- so named apparently because of the shapes of two islands as seen on the approach from the southeast Sakishima). The crew of the British HMS Samarang that set sail from Ishigaki Island to explore the island chain in May 1845 must have been struck with the striking similarity of a looming island to Bartolome Island in the Galapagos, famous for its Pinnacle Rock, and somehow called the chain "Pinnacle Islands." The official Japanese nomenclature "Senkaku" (= pinnacle) comes from this.

It's natural then and noteworthy that the international community, not to mention Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek's Republic of China, took the post-WWII regime for granted.

Even the People's Republic of China that took over in 1949 continued to acknowledge the status quo until 1971 when a UN research team announced there were potentially large oil and natural gas reserves in the area. The January 8, 1953 People's Daily describes the island chain stretching between Kyushu and Taiwan, the Ryukyu Islands, calling an island group in the chain by the name of "the Senkaku Islands" as known in Japan.

If the 1950 Chinese document that The Japan Times reported was revealed December 27 describes the Senkaku Islands were part of the Ryukyu Islands, it must be interpreted within this context. It is not so important who in China's fledgling government compiled this document.

For the rescuing of 31 Fujian fishermen from a shipwreck, then Chinese Nagasaki Consul Feng Mian sent a letter of appreciation dated May 20, 1920, to an Ishigaki islander Sonhan Tamayose for his and his crew's devoted rescue work, addressing the area of shipwrecking as Senkaku Islands, Ishigaki Village, Yaeyama Island Group, Imperial Japan.

The Japanese-Sino Peace Treaty (commonly known as the Treaty of Taipei) signed on April 28, 1952, stipulates that Japan has renounced all right, title and claim to Taiwan and the Penghus as well as the Spratly Islands and Paracel Islands, where Japan no longer had any jurisdiction, in marked contrast with no reference to the Senkaku Islands.

All this document and historical facts point to the fact that China, regardless of what regime was in power, took it for granted that the Senkaku Islands were not the domain Japan had won from China through the first Sino-Japanese War. Then, could the Chinese youth have vandalized Japanese businesses operating in China with such a vengeance, saying the islands had been stolen from them?

Certainly, dialogue must be urgently needed between the two nations before the situation spins out of control.

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Now that Abe has played the nationalist trump card to sway voters longing for the old glory days of empire, he is eager to patch things up so that friendly corporations can get back to enriching themselves on the backs of poor Chinese labours.

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DO not trust China. They are evil and waiting for opportunity. Make a unified group of other Asian countries is the only way we can counter China.

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The right-wing is the government here in Japan.

No it's not.

That would be the Ukoku Dantai or the JRP. The LDP are centre right in the same way the Republicans are, the Torys are and the Liberal party in Australia.

People are so quick to get hysterical about centre right politicians in Japan being mad fascists. They aren't.

But this is the right thing to do, and I can't help but wonder how much impact the Hillary Clinton statement has had on China suddenly becoming more willing to be civil about the dispute and pursue it through the UN.

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Everybody can check in the Google Earth that the islands is a natural prolongation of the Japanese island. It is the extension of Okinawa islands. The Chinese request seems absurd since these islands were always controlled by Japan and unhabited by Japaneses.

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TamaramaJan. 26, 2013 - 12:20PM JST

The LDP are centre right in the same way the Republicans are, the Torys are and the Liberal party in Australia.

When the US Republican party claim that US slavery was the indentured price of a voyage to America paid by willing Africans. When the Tories start to promote the Irish potato famine as the Irish nation volunteering to go on a national diet. When the Liberal Party of Australia protest that no crimes were ever committed against the Aborigines.

Then the LDP will belike the Republicans, the Torys are and the Liberal party in Australia.

Until them the LDP is and always has been more like the Ukoku Dantai ; the LDP is neither liberal or democratic.

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Tamarama: "But this is the right thing to do, and I can't help but wonder how much impact the Hillary Clinton statement has had on China suddenly becoming more willing to be civil about the dispute and pursue it through the UN."

Dog is right about the LDP, and in particular Abe, being quite like the Uyoku Dantai. That's one reason they love him so much. As to what I quoted from your comment, China has said more than once they are willing to bring the island talks to the table, and that China and Japan must meet half-way -- LONG before Clinton said what she did. No, on the contrary it is Japan that is now trying to back down on the rhetoric and be more civil... at least on the surface (while Abe still pushes his right-wing agenda on textbooks and apologies, as well as shrine visits).

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Many posters were not born yet when Japan attacked Darwin and Pearl Harbor. Whilst Japan was very sweet diplomatically, it was so cruel they launched surprise bombs attack without notice The reason was they wanted civilians to die more.. That disputed has existed for more than 30 years. It has been cooling for a long time. Why did it become sudden hot and spicy? It is very hard them to cool down like before.

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Dog

The Chinese coast is 330 km from Uotsuri, the largest of the five Senkaku islets, a distance that China’s Jian-10 fighter jets are reportedly capable of covering in about 10 minutes

Maybe true but it will not have enough fuel once pushing the afterburners for ten minutes to do any combat after they reached the Senkaku isles.

Combat radius of J-10 with dry thrust: 550 km (without air to air refueling)

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Over time this discussion board has developed the argumentation about the conflict quite a lot. Thats very nice. But the basic issues has not changed anything yet. PRC is still the aggressor and favors using guns and gun-boat diplomacy against its neighbors in south and east, tibet and India. Maybe they have not forgotten the visit from the british fleet and now they are using a similar but less violent approach, like when they use gun-boats to tell the philippinos and international media to stay away from their own islands. If Japan would have choosen a more passive and peaceful attitude today we would see a number of Chinese gun boats "protecting" the Senkakus from all other ships. I see nothing that makes me doubt that the current PRC strategy is all about imperialism and aggressive behavior and Im impressed by Japans well balanced actions, facing this aggression. Keep it up Japan.

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@smithjapan

Leave it to the Komeito to be the ones serious enough to actually try and resolve international issues and bring about peace. They have had immense success in the past in dealing with China and getting suffrage rights for permanent residents (first or second or what have you generations of Koreans/Chinese) in small towns in Japan.

Dog is right about the LDP, and in particular Abe, being quite like the Uyoku Dantai. That's one reason they love him so much.

Surely something doesn't add up here. If the Komeito is as you say, how can it possibly align itself with the "uyoku dantai" (right-wing fascist group) that is the LDP? And if the LDP is as you say, then without a doubt, if the uyoku had any power or influence within the party, it would not allow itself to be debased with a strong relationship with such a group that wants friendly relations with their arch enemies, Korea and China. After all, with the LDP winning in a landslide, it could still govern effectively without Komeito support.

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PRC is still the aggressor and favors using guns and gun-boat diplomacy against its neighbors in south and east, tibet and India.

PRC has no gun boat such as air craft carrier. They have guns however their bullets can not fly over sea. When you look at that map, you will understand concept of your neighbor tried to block your window with expanding fence. India and PRC had brief border war, however it was not China started to forward India. It was other way around. Pls refer to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_leading_to_the_Sino-Indian_War#Forward_policy

If Japan would have choosen a more passive and peaceful attitude today we would see a number of Chinese gun boats "protecting" the Senkakus from all other ships.

That dispute existed since 1960s. Back then PRC was ruled by Mao who has fought with both US and Soviet. On the contrary to your post, PRC and Taiwan have not sent any Gun boat. Instead they sent the fishing boats. Actually they all mad about fish. That year is 2013 it is acknowledgeable about all parties patience and diplomatic efforts.

If Japan would have choosen a more passive and peaceful attitude today we would see a number of Chinese gun boats "protecting" the Senkakus from all other ships.

Whether we like it or not, it has obligation of article 9 of constitution for not becoming imperialist nation like their past as Britain. Japanese Arm forces are more symbolic about disaster relief rather than defense. Japan can not become combative nation overnight.

Im impressed by Japans well balanced actions, facing this aggression. Keep it up Japan.

In the reality, that Islets have been under control of Japan for 3 decades except in real name. If unwise politicians did not provoke that issue, it is unlikely PRC or Taiwan will remember about that issue. Many octogenarian politician had fond memory of the glory of the past. They would like to revisit pre war Ultra nationalism with unfinished dream.

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Dog

The Japanese Government has issued over 50 apologies of one sort or another to various countries in regards to their actions - almost all of them by the LDP. Have you overlooked that?

The fact is that the LDP are a centre right conservative government. Your attempt to classify them as anything else is simply disingenuous.

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I still want to know where all this came from? Is anyone as confused as I am? Why complain about it now and not back in 1895? I understand the buying of the island but a japanese family have always had control of the island since before the war. They had factories for fishing strictly for japanese consumption. They were a japanese company. So why the issue now and who started complaining to begin with? If Chinese knew this history they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. They complained about it before but never pushed the issue. The island was in US control at one point the transferred back to Japan. So where's the issue?

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This Island dispute has been continued without any end in sight. Both countries seems to claim they have historical rights and thus the ownership of the Islands. Meanwhile the ordinary citizens and Business Community suffers under such uncertainty.

My opinion is that China understand that the UN Commission will assess the scientific validity of its claim and that's their role but it also knows that the Commission could not resolve the dispute except by the parties concern. I believe China's main objective and purpose in going to the UN is to put pressure on Japan to come to the negotiation table as Japan has continuously claimed that there is no dispute.

Economically both countries need each other in trades and market place. Should conflict gets out of hand none of them will come out winner and along with it destroyed the goodwill in Friendship and Trades relationship that brought so much benefits to both its citizens and business community in the last 30 years and I believe both countries are not going to risk it.

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YYYAAAWWWWNN, dogs are barking again

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Dear lord, when will both China and South Korea calm the hell down about WWII and the 2nd Sino-Japanese war. That was ages ago, whether Japan is proud or not about what they've done they've apologized so many times, had they not, with China's pride, a treaty of peace and friendship would have never been signed. The one who must just suck it up and face history is China, the wanted apology has already been given, more than once and that war should not be used as an excuse to back themselves up regarding this.

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Someone please flag this guy. All you are talking about is no sense. If anything there will be dilution of the Asian race. While we were fighting in religious wars in Europe they were conquering entire countries. They have been around for a lot lot longer than the supposed white man. So don't bring that bullshit here and get your racist shit out of here. If you don't like what you are reading and don't have constructive criticism then don't talk.

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I wonder why is Japan afraid of this LEGAL move by China. I see China act very civilize here, don't ya'all think?

if china is so confident why aren't they taking their disputes to the ICJ instead of some scientific UN commission that has no power to resolve the dispute.

Usually when somebody don't have confidence about his claim to something he reject due process or try to divert attention to something else hoping to keep holding on to his unjustified possessions. You can conclude yourself who I am referring to.

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Here's an admission from China that they have lost the Senkaku dispute. Note that they still intend to go after the islands but only in the far future, as in 2030, once they're well established as an economic and military power.

For now, they will merely try to keep the issue tabled for the next 20 years...though they can't stop Japan from exploring and exploiting the gas and oil deposits in this area. Yes, they can make a lot of noise. No, they can't interfere without the US stomping them.

Japan needs cheap energy in order to stay competitive on world markets, and Japanese prosperity lies within the EEZ of these islands. Drill, baby, drill. Here is the admission by China that the Senkakus are Japanese territory for another generation, perhaps forever.

GlobalTimes Seminar on Diaoyu Global Times holds seminar on Diaoyu as spat escalates Disputes over the Diaoyu Islands can be solved to Beijing's advantage only when China becomes a real world power, "economically and politically," scholars and diplomats agreed Sunday at a seminar on the Diaoyu Islands on Sunday.

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China does not possess independent military technology that can worry the US. Everything that we have assigned to the PLA military industrial complex (or allowed them to steal, so that we can claim that China never had a legal right to possess such features which, not so incidentally, are the keys to their destruction) is because we control the on/off switch to everything China has to defend itself.

The failure of their entire military is hardwired into the hardware and software of everything that we have provided them or allowed them to steal. They have "no independent military technology" and don't really understand everything that we've incorporated into the design of their war machines. Ultimately, their war machines belong to us, and the features we allowed them to steal are ours to retrieve, such as in their total destruction.

With an electronic beam from a military satellite, we can detonate their nuclear missiles before they can ever be launched. We can stop their navy dead in the water with a software worm worming its way through their computers. We can crash every one of their planes by taking over the controls despite the best efforts of their best pilots.

We own the Chinese war machine. If ever they dare to use them against us, we will drive them back to the stone age...back to dung carts and dung stoves.

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