China lashes out at Abe over his warning on Taiwan

Japan should call in the Chinese ambassador and give him a dressing down for China's deplorable behavior regarding Nationalist China.

There will not be a war because it is bad for business. China would lose some much money and political power because most of the world still backs the US. They would lose so many manufacturing deals and the economic leverage over many countries including the US. They do not want to be another Germany, Russia or Japan that has to start over.

It would most definitely lead to a brain drain or coup that would kick all the CCP members out of office or even worse.

China would be taking one step forward and two steps back.

OssanAmericaDec. 2  04:48 pm JST

Anyone who can say something and get China to lash out and get their panties in a bunch is doing something right.

Why, does it actually do any good?

How I wish the current PM would echo Shinzo's words now and not wait when he's no longer the PM too!

Wouldn’t it be a wonderful world if we all woke up tomorrow and China didn’t exist.

China, per-se, is not the problem. The CCP is the problem. Imagine if China had a government like that of Taiwan. Nirvana. China is a fascinating place full of wonderful people. It is just their government that stinks.

So is that a "yes" or a "no"?

Not yet. They apparently want to get the carrier built first. They do send ships to the Indian Ocean for anti-piracy duty.

Well CCP is already dead n started to decay only thing is its not aware of it

Shinzo is playing the game of getting media exposure because he wants to be PM again. He is trying replace all the bad press about his scandals and incompetence with the pandemic with this new strong Abe instead of the weak Abe who recovered from a mysterious tummy ache during his scandal revelations.

Anyone who can say something and get China to lash out and get their panties in a bunch is doing something right.

 Wen told reporters at a daily briefing. “Anyone who dares to repeat militarism and challenge the bottom line of the Chinese people will surely be shattered in the face."

This is hate speech, and a threat of violence against Japan. China proving again it is morphing into a dangerous fascist state hell-bent on war.

@Mike

Same reason anything pro-China would get downvotes, people tend to negative anything they disagree with, and on topics like this you'll have people on both sides usually.

It's more likely than assuming a conspiracy of Chinese bots on an English-language Japanese news site.

Fighto!Today  12:46 pm JST

As I have stated many times - and been shouted down in the past - Abe is as tough as nails. You can't take the street fighter out of him.

Abe, a "street fighter." What a hilarious image. I bet he wouldn't be much of a street fighter if he didn't think there were the Americans backing him up.

Desert TortoiseToday  10:41 am JST

Are any of those vessels participating in FON missions/excercises in the SCS?

In one of those delicious ironies South Korea is contesting a rock with China. Socotra Rock which ROK currently controls. The have this big oil rig looking thing built on a submerged rock about half way between Jeju Island and the Chinese mainland, close enough to be in each countries EEZ. But ROKs stated objective is to have a blue water navy to protect their ocean routes through the SCS. They just completed their second Dokdo class ship and are going forward with the aircraft carrier.

So is that a "yes" or a "no"?

Abe said:

A Chinese invasion of Taiwan would constitute a significant threat to Japan and therefore “an emergency for the Japan-U.S alliance...."

All sound and fury promising absolutely nothing. The US will never fight a war against China to defend Taiwan, and therefore neither will Japan.

Isn't it amazing, you have the whole world now rallying to protect Taiwan from attack. The entire free world stepping up and in to try and stop one group of Chinese people from killing another. It really is an incredible situation.

Nope, not amazing. This is what allies do - look out for one another. The fact that Taiwanese people are ethnically Chinese is completely beside the point. The free world will fiercely protect Taiwan should Communist China lay one foot or missile on the island.

Oh, and well done Abe for finally not holding back and stating things in no unclear terms

As I have stated many times - and been shouted down in the past - Abe is as tough as nails. You can't take the street fighter out of him. He has no fear of the PRC, and as Japan's special envoy to Taiwan, he is conveying the message loud and clear : Japan stands ready defend Taiwan.

Good to see people on here have finally come around to Abe, and his strong stance against China.

Isn't it amazing, you have the whole world now rallying to protect Taiwan from attack. The entire free world stepping up and in to try and stop one group of Chinese people from killing another. It really is an incredible situation.

Oh, and well done Abe for finally not holding back and stating things in no unclear terms. Could we be moving into a new era for Japan? The commitment era? That would really be something. Have been back and forth between the different strategies that may work against this rising, ever belligerent, yet diplomatically immature and awkward CCP (PRC is it now?), but at the end of the day it is quite simple. You cannot back down or try and appease a bully, they will just come at you harder if you do. Even a child can understand this simple concept. China is going to have to deal with it until they decide they don't want to play the role of the bad guy anymore. This wolf warrior diplomacy is dangerous and delusional, not to mention the fastest way to lose any respect that they may have once had. It's just madness.

Enjoy your economic miracle, but please grow up.

Thanks, the world.

I fear that a war will help the CCP-Chinese out of a few problems. They have too many men due to culture and laws that only allowed 1 child. They feel the world is ganging up on them for their play-our-way and suppress the truth policies. They use the freedoms of other country's systems against those other countries. China Telecom is suing the US Govt after having their license to operate in the US revoked. Post almost anything on YT with facts that China doesn't like and it will be reported then taken down by YT's complaint policy. Last time I checked, YT wasn't available in China.

China lashed out at Shinzo Abe Wednesday after the former Japanese prime minister warned of the serious security and economic consequences of any Chinese military action against self-ruled Taiwan.

Good for Abe. The world needs to be clear that we will not accept the CCP invasion of the independent nation of Taiwan. And as a hedge against being held hostage to China's lines of manufacture, the world should be actively working to create alternate supply lines so that in the case of the CCP actually invading Taiwan, we can all put sanctions on them without overly damaging ourselves.

The CCP is the biggest threat facing the world right now. Long live the free and independent nation of Taiwan.

“No one should underestimate the resolve determination, firm will and strong ability of the Chinese people to defend national sovereignty and territorial integrity," 

Taiwan has never been a part of China and they will defend itself with the armory otherwise it would already have been 'reunitfied' ie taken over

Go home China you're drunk

Why is China being so greedy and stubborn about this? First Hong Kong and now Taiwan. There are a myriad of issues on the mainland that could do with some attention and resolution. Maybe focus on that instead.

Wang Wenbin said Abe had “talked nonsense, pointed fingers at Taiwan issues and made irresponsible remarks on China internal affairs.

I think mr Wang is incorrect as I dont see any mention from Abe on anything that is a Chinese "internal" matter. Wang does not seem to be very bright. A failing of many in the current CCP leadership group.

Are any of those vessels participating in FON missions/excercises in the SCS?

In one of those delicious ironies South Korea is contesting a rock with China. Socotra Rock which ROK currently controls. The have this big oil rig looking thing built on a submerged rock about half way between Jeju Island and the Chinese mainland, close enough to be in each countries EEZ. But ROKs stated objective is to have a blue water navy to protect their ocean routes through the SCS. They just completed their second Dokdo class ship and are going forward with the aircraft carrier.

The US maybe would want it just for the boost to military spending and contracts, but the only way I could see that happening is if the US pushes Tsai to attempt to declare independence, and I don't think that is really likely regardless of how much control the US exerts. 

Believe me when I say the very last thing the US wants is a war with China. Everyone in the US knows how destructive that would be. The problem is that many in the US are starting to think maybe the current Chinese leadership thinks the risk look acceptable to them assuming incorrectly the US would not go to the mat for them. I have often heard Chinese Generals say that all they have to do is nuke a couple of US cities and the US would back down. That is probably a very bad assumption on their part but it is said just often enough to make Americans in the military lose sleep worrying the Chinese might really think that way.

Desert TortoiseToday  08:43 am JST

South Korea using the same water lanes for shipping as Japan! But is doing nothing to defend those lanes or protect Taiwan

Just curious if you are aware of the Sejong the Great class DDGs, the Chungmugong Yi Sunshin-class DDHs, Incheon class FFGs, Dokdo class LHD or the 30,000 ton VSTOL carrier program?

Are any of those vessels participating in FON missions/excercises in the SCS?

Not sure how many times I need to say this, but short of the US instigating something, which even they I don't think would stoop to, China isn't going to engage Taiwan in military action. China doesn't want it, Taiwan doesn't want it, nobody with any sense should. The US maybe would want it just for the boost to military spending and contracts, but the only way I could see that happening is if the US pushes Tsai to attempt to declare independence, and I don't think that is really likely regardless of how much control the US exerts. Consequently I get the frustration of the CPC having to constantly refute the same claim day in and day out.

I really don't get why Abe is making broad foreign policy claims for Japan now after he is out of office.

PRC is the nation on borrowed time, not Taiwan. PRC has huge problems and the CCP is very poorly equipped to deal with them. Their system is rigid but brittle. China's working age population began to decline in 2014. Their overall population is now entering a long term period of decline. Their total fertility rate is well below replacement and getting worse. Water resources are drying up as aquafers are depleted and glaciers that feed major rivers recede rapidly. In a decade many will be gone and the rivers they feed deprived of water. China doesn't have sufficient arable land to feed its people and they are losing arable land to desertification. China has huge social problems that go unmentioned and unaddressed. They cannot be discussed openly in the heavily censored press but they are there nonetheless. The motto of the younger generation is to "lay flat", meaning do the absolute minimum possible to get by. There is no reward any more for completing college as jobs are so hard to find. Potential young entrepreneurs see what happened to Jack Ma and more recently to Tencent or hear Xi Jinping tell China's corporations to look for their direction and leadership from the state owned industries and are discouraged. Investors are likewise discouraged by this. The days of swashbuckling Chinese capitalism are over. China has huge public and private debt that dwarfs that of the US.

Taiwan by comparison has a strong economy, more work than they have people for. Their factories are running a full capacity. Their standard of living and per-capita income are vastly greater than that of mainland China. If the west can protect Taiwan and deter China from attacking there is every reason to think the government of Taiwan will outlast that of PRC.

Excellent post DT! Very informative and eye opening.

No need for invasion, they know it, they are betting on time and Taiwan failing in thier economy; and if we're not careful they may be right.

PRC is the nation on borrowed time, not Taiwan. PRC has huge problems and the CCP is very poorly equipped to deal with them. Their system is rigid but brittle. China's working age population began to decline in 2014. Their overall population is now entering a long term period of decline. Their total fertility rate is well below replacement and getting worse. Water resources are drying up as aquafers are depleted and glaciers that feed major rivers recede rapidly. In a decade many will be gone and the rivers they feed deprived of water. China doesn't have sufficient arable land to feed its people and they are losing arable land to desertification. China has huge social problems that go unmentioned and unaddressed. They cannot be discussed openly in the heavily censored press but they are there nonetheless. The motto of the younger generation is to "lay flat", meaning do the absolute minimum possible to get by. There is no reward any more for completing college as jobs are so hard to find. Potential young entrepreneurs see what happened to Jack Ma and more recently to Tencent or hear Xi Jinping tell China's corporations to look for their direction and leadership from the state owned industries and are discouraged. Investors are likewise discouraged by this. The days of swashbuckling Chinese capitalism are over. China has huge public and private debt that dwarfs that of the US.

Taiwan by comparison has a strong economy, more work than they have people for. Their factories are running a full capacity. Their standard of living and per-capita income are vastly greater than that of mainland China. If the west can protect Taiwan and deter China from attacking there is every reason to think the government of Taiwan will outlast that of PRC.

aiwan is not worth it. If the World sanctions China and turns against China is not worth it. At least Japan tried to conqure all of Asia when taking a chance, your doing it for the equivalent of rocks on a beach."

This statement makes no sense whatsoever plus it contradicts what you wrote just a few lines above it.

I had to re-read it a couple of times but it makes sense.

Been PM twice.

Leads the largest faction in the LDP.

Now, do you still want to know "why" Abe is making such a statement despite not being a cabinet member???

Why is Abe making this statement when he’s not a cabinet member?

Probably because he is the second most powerful Japanese person. Taiwan will listen to and follow his directions.

South Korea using the same water lanes for shipping as Japan! But is doing nothing to defend those lanes or protect Taiwan

Just curious if you are aware of the Sejong the Great class DDGs, the Chungmugong Yi Sunshin-class DDHs, Incheon class FFGs, Dokdo class LHD or the 30,000 ton VSTOL carrier program?

The Chinese communist are inherent cowards, this cannot be altered, it is built into their DNA and Xi knows this. The communists are all bluff and bluster, all fat and no ham, forever rattling and playing with their little sabre,....STOP IT Xi!....or you will go blind!

“Anyone who dares to repeat militarism and challenge the bottom line of the Chinese people will surely be shattered in the face."

Why is it that only North Korea and China use this kind of language. It sounds really childish, like something a kid would say in a playground after someone they ddn't like touched their soccer ball.

Why is Abe making this statement when he’s not a cabinet member?

Abe Is now head of the largest faction in the LDP and hence his views carry weight within the ruling party.

Thats why.

Former PM Mr. Abe,

Thank you, your statement was necessary and needed. Kishida is too new, doesn't have any weight in his statement.

Very few would dare say such things directly to Mr. Xi Jinping, but necessary in a CCP party made of Yes Men who only say what you want to hear.

Japan, Taiwan and all the democratic countries need to keep urging President Xi Jinping and the leaders of the Chinese Communist Party not to step onto a wrong path,"

“Military adventure would lead to economic suicide,” Abe said.

A Chinese invasion of Taiwan would constitute a significant threat to Japan and therefore

Taiwan is not worth it. If the World sanctions China and turns against China is not worth it. At least Japan tried to conqure all of Asia when taking a chance, your doing it for the equivalent of rocks on a beach.

Abe's really touched a raw nerve there to make Wang Wenbin protest so much....

Not really. That little Chinese Chihuahua doesn't miss a chance to bark obnoxiously every chance he gets.

“I think that Japan, Taiwan and all the democratic countries need to keep urging President Xi Jinping and the leaders of the Chinese Communist Party not to step onto a wrong path,"

This is the first and probably the last thing that I can agree with this guy.

Same here William!

Why is Abe making this statement when he’s not a cabinet member?

I suspect that's EXACTLY why he is making this statement.

Let's see Moon of S.Korea take an equal step of support towards a democratic country of Taiwan. All the support and statements coming from Japan!

Japan is also part of Quad Alliace to balance China. S.Korea is not, and will not join. Not part of AUKUS either.

South Korea using the same water lanes for shipping as Japan! But is doing nothing to defend those lanes or protect Taiwan.

Japan a Pacifist country with a constitution and Article 9, small force and army, with many restrictions, we are taking more responsibility and help for a fellow democratic country.

South Korea mandatory military service, millions of soldiers trained, big military budget, advance capabilities, Has Nothing to say on such Issues. If the problem was about Japan you'll hear protest 24/7. If only the issue was Japan, then S. Korea could say something or take a stance.

“I think that Japan, Taiwan and all the democratic countries need to keep urging President Xi Jinping and the leaders of the Chinese Communist Party not to step onto a wrong path,"

This is the first and probably the last thing that I can agree with this guy.

Taiwan is an independent, sovereign and robust democracy. The PRC has NEVER held sovereignty or governed Taiwan. Their flag has never flown over the Taiwanese republic. No matter what lies Xi Jinping spews, Taiwan IS NOT THE PRC'S TO RULE! Taiwan's future is for Taiwanese alone to decide. FREE TIBET!!!

Righting do not run America no more, it obviously he do not know, who in charge of America

You need to understand US politics regarding Taiwan. Support for Taiwan is almost universal in both major political parties in both houses of Congress. It is telling that all but one of the members of Congress who visited Taiwan recently were Democrats. There are a large number of Democratic politicians with Taiwan or Hong Kong born parents. They strongly support Taiwan and hate the CCP. I can also tell you I saw first hand circa 2009-2010 as military development programs were initiated aimed at countering anticipated Chinese developments. Much of that hardware is just now coming on line but it began being developed a good ten to twelve years ago when the current President was VP. Neither party would allow Taiwan to be abandoned and Congress is currently discussing how to grant the US President the authority to use military force to defend Taiwan before China attacks, so a future President doesn't have to wait for Congress to act when a crisis is imminent.

Abe's really touched a raw nerve there to make Wang Wenbin protest so much....

But in reality, Abe is right to point out the brutal aggressive colonialism which China stands for today - all liberal-minded governments and their leaders should take note and follow suit, to call China out at every opportunity until she gets the message.

The free world - starting with the US - needs to diplomatically recognize Taiwan as an independent nation,

That would only back the CCP into an ideological corner and force them to attack. The CCP can never allow Taiwan to declare independence without a fight. To do that would be he end of the CCP as they would be utterly discredited. Better for everyone to keep the status quo with the US and other allies providing enough back up military muscle to deter China from attacking. If the status quo can be maintained my bet is that the government of Taiwan, which is really the direct heir to Sun Yat-sen's first republic, will outlast the CCP. Dictatorships never last. They all look so tough right up until something happens to expose their inherent underlying weakness. Then it all falls apart very quickly. Taiwan could outlast the CCP if everyone plays it cool. It would be poetic justice too.

Every decade the US needs an enemy. No war no lucrative contracts. Don’t worry China won’t do anything but release press statements like these. They’re too smart to be goaded into war.

The thing is that the US flushed $4 trillion dollars down the toilet in the Iraq/Afghanistan war and that money is not coming back. This money should have been spent on infrastructure decades ago.

You try many things and see if it works. If it works you keep doing it. If it doesn’t then you do something else. War does not work. The US would be better off spending more on science and technology, but better late than never.

Go Abe!

All is forgiven!!

I don’t think any of this should be taken lightly. This could escalate very quickly.

Abe is right in advising Taiwan to start preparing themselves for what lies ahead. China is not going to back down on their aggression and warlike behaviour, and Abe is essentially telling them to get on a war footing.

The free world - starting with the US - needs to diplomatically recognize Taiwan as an independent nation, and be accepted into the CPTPP, as well as QUAD. These moves will hopefully happen in 2022.

“I will support Taiwan’s participation," Abe said

It's about time. We are well beyond worrying about stepping on China's toes concerning Taiwan.

“Anyone who dares to repeat militarism and challenge the bottom line of the Chinese people will surely be shattered in the face."

So funny. Who is China?

CCP so offended by the truth.

Taiwan is not yours, China. Just ask the people of Taiwan.

"Shattered in the face"

The comedy continues. . .