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China conveys 'grave concern' to Japan over Aso's Yasukuni offerings

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How many apologies do they want? Get over it .

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If Japan would convey 'grave concern' anytime China does something negative we wouldn't be reading anything else in the news all the year long!

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China enjoys having grave concerns when it's politically beneficial. Maybe one day they'll get around to remembering they're pissed off that everyone in Hong Kong speaks English thanks to British colonization.

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grave... are they being ironic?

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Who cares what China thinks....Japan needs to move it's businesses to Vietnam and end their dealings with China.

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but China is a major export market for Japan.

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These Asian countries need to stop behaving like little kids. This is Japan, and the PM can go anywhere he wants in his own country, and nobody else has the right to say anything about it. Hu can go anywhere he wants in China, so fair is fair.

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if you are a company and have a big customer, you normally do whatever is necessary to maintain good relations with the customer so that you retain business. you dont go out of your way to wind up the customer, its very bad for business.

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mistersmarmy, luckily politics != business

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I used to care more about this issue, but it'll never change, and I'm not entirely sure it should. I WOULD like to see a separate shrine to pray for the war dead (without the Class A criminals enshrined and what not), but that's not about to happen.

And anyway, as I've been harping on overreactions by the J-government with concern to the NKorean rocket/missile, it's fair time I pointed out the overreaction by others (in this case China). I can see their point, and that of anyone offended by Aso visiting in an official capacity, but as I've said nothing is going to change. Just register a complaint and go about your business.

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As compared to just a few years ago I tend to think this expression of "grave concern" is about as far as it will go. China itself abandoned the anti-Japan diplomatic policy as not being beneficial and now with the whole world in the same economic sinking boat this is no time for such political games. China has it's own hands full and inciting rampant nationalism isn't the cure.

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Again, the problem is the Chinese didn't use Japanese babies for bayonet practice. Hence the anger. Sounds reasonable. Still, the Chinese have also done a few bad things in their days. But the baby skewers may have been a little much.

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Again, the problem is the Chinese didn't use Japanese babies for bayonet >practice. Hence the anger.

This is one of the still debated aspects of some of the claims. It's very biased of you to make such a decalaration as if it were an established fact. But you are correct in "hence the anger" as it encites hatred without any regard for verification.

Moderator: Readers, please keep the discussion focused on the Yasukuni Shrine visits.

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MeanRingo at 08:42 PM JST - 23rd April

In a war that lasted from the early 30s through to 1945 this is the best you could find? Really you are just not trying hard enough. Though in relation to this let me point something obvious out to you. After 1945 China was in a position to show the world anything bad about Japan that they wanted to, obviously, & yes, there was a lot to show. Japan however could do nothing about their civilians that had been left behind in China & China didn’t tell the world what happened to them. No, two wrongs do not make a right, but a little common sense balance never goes amiss unless, of course you simply wish to show what a wonderfully well read person with high moral values you are. China really couldn’t give a damn about the shrine visits, but having made so much noise in the past they also couldn’t stay silent this time, so they expressed a little grave concern & that will be the end of it.

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You gaijin posters don't seem to realize the suffering that China and the rest of Asia endured during the war. The Japanese killed about 10 million Asians. For Japan's current leaders to formally honor those responsible is reprehensible.

And yes, it IS comparable to today's German Cabinet members praying to the souls of Hitler and the SAS.

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Jeez Jeff, China still needs to let it go. If you haven't recalled, Yasukuni has been around for a lot longer than the Japanese occupation of China. Just because they go there to pray doesn't mean that all they're praying for is "the war criminals" which seems to be the ONLY focus of China's hatred with no regard to the other souls buried there...

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The shrine contains honors for 2.4+ million people that died in wars and was created around 1869. Of that 2.4+million only 1,000 are considered war criminals due to the time period of the occupation of China and WWII. Looking at a mole hill and trying to make it into a mountain. Wars happen, and they're written into history books so we don't make the same mistakes and learn from other peoples mistakes.

Moderator: Readers, please keep the discussion focused on the visits to Yasukuni Shrine by Aso and the Diet members.

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HonestDictator: "Wars happen, and they're written into history books so we don't make the same mistakes and learn from other peoples mistakes."

True, but they're not written into Japanese history books in their entirety... or seemingly not at all with regards to the occupation and war crimes, nor sex slaves, save for a few lines about the stability of the Korean peninsula and how they brought modern education to much of Asia, etc. :)

Just playing devil's advocate. I agree with almost all of what you've said.

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When the news appears 24hr after event, the word 'grave' becomes meaningless. This is nothing but a press statement for media business, not for the politicians or general public.

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japanese kamakazi are the origin of today's suicide bombers.

I'd say you are totally, wrong. People fighting to the death for whatever cause has been going on as long as humans have been around. Here in New York shortly after 911 and the news media were refering to the terrorist attack as a "Kamikaze attack" I read a letter to the editor submitted in a local newspaper. The writer pointed out that the Kamikaze were indeed an organized uniformed military service, the members of which were trained to give their lives in exchange for a direst hit on enemy military assets. And that to compare the 911 terrorits who attacked a civilian target to te Kamikaze pilots was an insult to every person in uniform throughout the world. The writer was an US Navy veteran of the battle of Okinawa.

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if you premeditate and organize your suicide in order to kill many other >people, does it matter if you wear a uniform or civilian clothes? and >what if its a military or civilian target? everyone is human. come on.

Yes there is a world of a difference between killing enemy combatants and killing civilians. Please take my word for it.

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Get a grip China! If you had it your way, the world would go off its handle on the anniversay of the Tiannamen massacre every year. China needs to shut its mouth!

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China loves all the money Japan has invested in China over the past 50 years but loves to critisize every move that Japan makes otherwise. Get real!

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nigelboy: "Good going smith. It appears you still HAVEN'T read a single history book after all these years."

I've read plenty, thanks. Please show me the junior highschool texts that go into detail about the military using sex slaves, the rape of Nanking, and races to see who could kill 100 civilians first using their katanas; I haven't seen them in there, though I agree with the dozens of chapters devoted to the parts where Japan is the victim (ie. atomic bombings in full detail).

I didn't come on here to talk about this, and in fact came on to admonish China and talk about how people have a right to worship if it's their personal wish to do so, but if you want to get all righteous about how 'correct' Japanese history textbooks are and that they whitewash nothing, let's have at it. As usual, though, you're unlikely to listen to reason and take the granddaughter Tojo route.

Sweet dreams, all.

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"grave concern indeed!"

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And Smithinjapan....no arguement with the Japanese negation of history, >but what about China`s? Perhaps you need to need to read a lot more >modern history. What do Chinese history texts say about its past? Well?

While certainly China (PRC) has an enormous history of whitewashing it's history, SKorea's is perhaps slightly more repulsive because they themselves are not innocent of what they charge. Over 240,000 Koreans served in the Imperial Japanese military, a number far exceeding recruitment quotas and they enjoyed the services of the comfort women. Comfort women from Korea were for the most part recruited through shady local Korean agents who worked for the Japanese Army. Yet, they carry on as if every comfort woman was dragged out of her family home by force, a task impossible to achieve without causing a complete social uproar in order to reach numbers as high as 200,000.

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I love it when people point out China's other faults every time China complains about the way Japan dealt with histroy. Chinese wrong doings are independent to whether Japan needs to reassess their attitude on WWII and vice versa. The Yasukuni Shrine has more than just war crimminals- good point, but the war crimminals are still there and probably included in these offerings. Guess there's not way around it.

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Come to think of it China might never have been a Communist country if >Japan hadn't invaded China and weakened the National government in the >first place- so it would be like critising something Japan caused. (This >is just self opinion though, I hope the right-wing Japanophiles don't >bash me for it.)

Mao Tse Tung said so himself to J-PM Kakuei Tanaka in 1972.

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the chinese (and the russians) expressed no similar reservations when they sent delegates to the DPRK to celebrate the birthday of Kim Jong Il. a living war criminal. chinese hypocrisy/stupidity knows no limits. why do they still have a seat on the UN security council?

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does a memorial site have to get mixed up with a religion, i.e. shinto? we've got a similar place in the smithsonian.

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This is one of the still debated aspects of some of the claims. It's very biased of you to make such a decalaration as if it were an established fact. But you are correct in "hence the anger" as it encites hatred without any regard for verification.

Moderator: Readers, please keep the discussion focused on the Yasukuni Shrine visits.

The atrocities are very much on topic. Those deeds are why people are fuming mad about the shine.

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