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China, Russia to hold military drills in Sea of Japan

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Expected I guess, with Japan and the U.S. performing drills with India and soon to include several other states in the area, this is the normal response though the disparity of their fleets would be an issue not to mention the eternal mistrust Russia has always felt for China.

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South Korea may be more than a little interested in what they are up to.

Interesting that they are both presumably calling it the Sea of Japan.

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@nandakandamanda"Interesting that they are both presumably calling it the Sea of Japan."

There is nothing strange in it. Only Koreans have been calling the Sea by another name.

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“We hope that certain people in Japan can calmly reflect on what they have done,” he said.

Yes, they should, and China should calmly reflect on what China is currently doing, which is making territorial push just about everywhere. I understand that they are playing hardball because that is what they feel has been done to them, but no good can come of it.

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Birds of a feather flock together. Perhaps China & Russia should have invited their ally North Korea. It's OK. Now South Korea has to be decisive and STOP being a fence sitter. The Americans have stationed troop for decades to protect the country. The UN fought the North Koreans supported by Chinese troops & indirectly USSR (now renamed Russia). Now is the time to have a formal defence pact: Japan, South Korea and the US for N E Asia. Similarly, a SEATO-like military pact in South East Asia and perhaps the Indian Ocean: US, Japan, Philippines, Australia, India and other interested parties who want to protect themselves against an aggressive China. Only with this balance of power will there be PEACE.

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Meanwhile, in Taiwan they are reflecting on what Beijing has done: http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0Q504T20150731?irpc=932

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@advill "Now is the time to have a formal defence pact : Japan, South Korea and the U.S.".

What Russia and China are doing in the region is quite understandable. They have their territories in Asia Pacific region and they have a right to defend them. The USA use Japan and South Korea as puppets to defend solely U.S. interests in Asia.

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Nevertheless, don't push the dominos' over.

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I think China has been oppressed long enough, they have the right to do as other country does.

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Yamashi & Tiger: I agree with your balanced views.

To CrazyJoe and Advill:

China and Russia have a much longer relationship (than, say USA and Japan), and so yes everything has not been perfect... but now it seems their respective major interests are gelling and becoming stronger, which is more than you can say for the turbulent issues between Japan/Japanese people and what the U.S. wants. In fact, as some other media has pointed out, the China and Russia paradigm is becoming the most sophisticated in the world, and we only see what is on the surface of their partnership.

As for the issue of trust/mistrust, Russia and China have an implicit trust that is, frankly speaking, unshakable. They seem to be able to overcome any diffferences in a much smoother way (than the U.S. and her partners). And with the situation in Russia, Russia more than ever relies on her dependable partner, China.

If you want to talk about mistrust in a deep sense, then just look at the U.S.' insecurity as it spies even on its best pals (including the heads of states and their people, not to mention spying on Americans themselves). And for this and other reasons, the U.S. allies are shifting in terms of their trust in the U.S.' motivations (evidenced by major U.S. allies rejecting American's advice/requests for them not to join China's AIIB and other ventures etc.). Even Putin doesn't trust Abe in the way Abe likes to think (as some Russian and other articles have pointed out).

Even Japan (especially the Japanese people) does not trust what and where the U.S. is leading them, especially now with the U.S. basically forcing the Japanese people to accept Abe's bogus security bills based on the weak reason of the imaginary "China threat" (which Japanese media even find a very dangerous game as people are beginning to realize Abe/USA are overstating and exaggerating the facts and using imaginary scares regarding China to accept such an unconstitutional action).

So, in this respect, the Russia and China partnership is presenting to be a very dynamic and forceful presence for the world, for the good balancing of U.S./Japan's self-serving war-mongering posturing and provocation ( examples of such postures that don't make any sense but only to provoke: now Japan complains about the China's gas exploration activities when the Japanese media questions such moves by Abe to bolster the non-existing support for his bogus security bills, especially as these complaints fall flat when the facts show China's activities are not in the disputed areas per se, nor are illegal... and why didn't Japan make the same BIG fuss two or three years ago when it knew of such activities? The same with China's ADZ which China notified Japan in 2010, but Japan didn't complain BUT actually extended its own ADZ by tens of miles. The same with the Diayou/Senkaku islands - UK documents showed Japan and China had agreed to put aside this issue, but Japan breached this and provoked China, against U.S.' clear advice, yet Japan lies to the world about the facts and point the finger at others/China).

So, readers/posters, please see the whole picture and try to use balanced facts instead of just repeating Abe/U.S.' anti-China rhetoric that does not have much validity but has only hypocrisy. As I always said, look at the big stick in Japan/USA's eye first.

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Why didnt the US taking a dove approach to Russia and China instead of escalation of crisis in south China sea and Ukraine? The frontline is extended to the sea of Japan that will lead to further catastrophe. The present situation is more critical than cold war years . Nobody wants to fight an ideological war but it is definitely sure when two nationsChina,Russia feels an imminent threat. Obama and his team were very bad at handling the world affairs that made nobody has confident to count on him. He is gambling not managing the world's fate.

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They should have invited north korea to join in.

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China is waking up Russia to come back for her super power status, their military cooperation will be pivotal to the 21st century. There was never being such tense and heated situation in east asia if not Obama brought their 'pivot' to asia.

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Who's complaining about this? China seems to be the only one that takes issues when its neighbors practice drills.

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China, what a bunch of little babies. Blah, blah, blah. All talk, no action. Lol....

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China, what a bunch of little babies. Blah, blah, blah. All talk, no action.

That's a good thing. Them taking action is what is scary.

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Genki/Flash

China, what a bunch of little babies. Blah, blah, blah. All talk, no action. Lol....

Uhm, they're building islands.....

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China and Russia have a much longer relationship (than, say USA and Japan), and so yes everything has not been perfect... but now it seems their respective major interests are gelling and becoming stronger, which is more than you can say for the turbulent issues between Japan/Japanese people and what the U.S. wants. In fact, as some other media has pointed out, the China and Russia paradigm is becoming the most sophisticated in the world, and we only see what is on the surface of their partnership.

Wishful thinking, me thinks. It's akin to KMT and Communist back in the days of World War II where both don't trust each other but the necessity to fight the common enemy at that time gave them no choice but to not attack each other.

http://fortune.com/2014/05/22/putins-china-pivot-all-tactics-no-trust/

"..In terms of political values, Putin and the Chinese Communist Party are united in their hostility towards Western democracy. But hatred, unlike love, does not form lasting bonds.....Russia and China are tactical partners, pure and simple"

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China and Russia are veto-wielding members of the U.N. Security Council, and have held similar views on key policy questions like the crisis in Syria, putting them at odds with the United States and Western Europe.

Yes 100 % truth ! Thanks to American "active" military role near their national borders, today Chinese and Russian stay together.

So USA is not so evil as many suppose - for example US State Dept make Russian-Chinese friendship not only possible but inevitable...

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Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

China has serious territorial designs on the Far East of Russia. Russia knows this and is playing a fairly smart game in keeping China in check for now.

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@ringman

the China and Russia paradigm is becoming the most sophisticated in the world, and we only see what is on the surface of their partnership... As for the issue of trust/mistrust, Russia and China have an implicit trust that is, frankly speaking, unshakable. They seem to be able to overcome any diffferences in a much smoother way (than the U.S. and her partners). And with the situation in Russia, Russia more than ever relies on her dependable partner, China

Well, I agree with you that Russia is relying on China more than ever. But that's about all I agree with. China is not a dependable partner for Russia, and Russia is in no way an equal partner to China. Take the recent gas deal between the two, which was far better for China than for Russia; Russia had a weak negotiating position, absolutely having to diversify its customer base following its misadventures in its "near abroad", and China took full advantage. China('s government) has a sense of entitlement and will take whatever anyone makes it possible for them to take; a large chunk of Russia's far east was previously Chinese territory, and with the CCP's revanchist tendencies Russia may very well come to seriously regret the day it got into bed with China. The Russian obsession with seeing "The West" as its natural adversary sees it making itself a client state to the only other state on the planet which might actually pose a genuine territorial threat.

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Excellent analysis there Yoshitsune. Russia has little to fear from Europe other than sanctimony. China on the other hand is a major threat to Russia's Far East territories. If Russia gets weak enough, you will see the Chinese start to make claims. Russia's demographics are starting to rebound a bit, but Siberia and the Far East are experiencing a degree of depopulation.

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U.S. military out now!

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Yoshitsune

China('s government) has a sense of entitlement and will take whatever anyone makes it possible for them to take; a large chunk of Russia's far east was previously Chinese territory, and with the CCP's revanchist tendencies Russia may very well come to seriously regret the day it got into bed with China.

It sounds like you're implying that China's an expansionist and a huge threat because you think they want to recover a territory that was taken from them??? At the same time, using that reasoning why Russia should stop worrying about the Western countries and focus on China, even though NATO has become increasingly bigger and closer to Russia's doorstep?

The people who tend to think lightly of Russia and China's seeming alliance and partnership need to face the reality.....you know, that something that's been always at the back of your minds: It's real and existent because you made it real and existent. You pushed both of them closer to the point that now they're thinking "Maybe right now, it's better to make peace with a country who shares a huge border with me, shares a similar foreign policy with me, and who also shares the problem of having some other country's military surrounding me. Heck, I can even open up more opportunities by doing business with this country, knowing full well that no external force can prevent or disrupt our bilateral trade". There maybe or will be a future conflict between the two of them, but right now, it's not as imminent compared to others.

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Hi PBot,

I described China as revanchist rather than expansionist; I believe it is a more accurate word to describe both the way they reasserted Chinese control of Tibet and their intentions regarding Taiwan, and I am of the opinion that other formerly Chinese territories may be in their designs in the long term, including parts of the Russian far east.

As for Russia worrying about NATO, there is in fact no territorial threat to Russia from NATO. Russia's problem with NATO is that when former Eastern bloc countries decide to turn to NATO / the EU, Russia can no longer bully them. But Russia has no right to bully them or to treat them as its doorstep.

you made it real and existent. You pushed both of them closer

I certainly did no such thing! Who is the you you refer to? I believe Russia is being pushed into China's orbit by its own Cold War throwback paranoia, something which will never go away as long as Russia is being run by ex-KGB members for their own personal gain. I also believe that Russia, and Russians, would be far better off leaning towards (or even joining) the EU; but while that would be better for the country and its people, it would of course be no good for Putin and his cronies, and anyway I don't think that Putin cares much about ordinary Russians.

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Chins and Russia counterbalance US and the more balance we have around the more prospect for lasting peace in this and other regions of the world.

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