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Hey ... if China would keep its military aircraft away from Japanese air space then such things wouldn't happen. Everyone in Japan would feel safer if only China could keep its military aircraft in their own internationally recognized air space.

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This is a perfect definition of chutzpah. China is demanding that Japan say the equivalent of "Pardon me, sir, but is my eye hurting your elbow?"

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Xi Jin-ping was formally conferred the title of "core leader" by the Sxith Plenum of the Zhonghua gongchandang.on Thursday. Over a million cadres have been purged for graft during Jin-ping's consolidation of powers since 2013.. The Zhongnanhai war criminals have continued their methods of fait accompli and neo-colonialism. Let's hope that Japan will stand firm against the Han war criminals beside the South Koreans and the USA.

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Another laughable comment from China.Keep your planes away from other countries' and they wont have to scramble and you won't have a problem. This creating the problem then blaming the victim is standard MO for this militant totalitarian dictatorship.

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What missing in this article is that the Chinese fleet conducted routine patrols in China's Air Defense Identification Zone which China has the right to do according to international law.

Notice also that “Tokyo’s support for a July ruling by an arbitration court in the Hague that invalidated China’s sweeping claims in the disputed South China Sea, a case brought by the Philippines, has also angered Beijing,” now it is just “an arbitration court in the Hague” and not “a UN backed court” any longer. It costed Philippines $30 mil for the court, luckily Philippines got back $32 mil from the US, so it's not a bad deal after all.

Now what is the significance of mentioning about “Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte said on Thursday his country could join naval exercises with Japan.” Does this mean the alliance is “rock solid”? But here in the news, Duterte said to reporters that on the way back from Japan, God has warned him to tone down his swearing or someone will cause his plane to crash. I guess he got a warning in Japan.

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flowersOct. 29, 2016 - 01:09AM JST What missing in this article is that the Chinese fleet conducted routine patrols in China's Air Defense Identification Zone which China has the right to do according to international law.

What is missing in your pro-China post is that China unilaterally declared an ADIZ that overlapped already existing ones. They did this to both Japan and South Korea. So China declares someone else's yard their own, then complains when confronted by the original owners.

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Chinese aircraft is dangerous with or without Japan.

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OssanAmerica, “China unilaterally declared an ADIZ”? From what I heard China had the intention to set up the ADIZ years ago and Japan knew about it. Also, why didn’t you mention about Japan’s ADIZ overlapping other countries? Hypocrite is the trademark for both the US and Japan, but I think less so for Japan because we have to give benefit of a doubt to Japan for being a lapdog. In front, they make us believe that they are happy with the renew relationship between China and PH, but in the back they arrange a special meeting with Duterte to “clarify” things with him. I guess Duterte is scared to death, that’s why he mentioned about God on his way back from Japan. The question here is why would China mention about the incident now after several months have passed? It’s probably because Japan has done something despicable again, or maybe because of Duterte.

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flowersOct. 29, 2016 - 02:44AM JST OssanAmerica, “China unilaterally declared an ADIZ”? From what I heard China had the intention to set up the ADIZ years ago and Japan knew about it.

Japan's ADIZ far outdates the one China recently declared as it took over from the one the U.S. established after WWII. So yes, China is a late comer to the yard and complaining when the original residents challenge them.

Also, why didn’t you mention about Japan’s ADIZ overlapping other countries? Hypocrite is the trademark for both the US and Japan

Because no country is complaining and scrambling their fighters because Japanese planes aren't intruding on other's territories like China does. Looks to me like hypocrisy is China's trademark.

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If excursions only provide an excuse for mutual non-cooperative military exercises, that's OK.

But if the countries are serious about cooperation, they could easily file flight plans with each other for these trips. This is the Internet Age! They need not even go out to greet the visitors. If the visitors wanted to start a war, they are not going to do it with a few aircraft. The home team could stay at home, unless they're worried about smugglers and the visitors are unannounced.

In the old days, you wouldn't walk into a stranger's camp without saying 'Hallooo' from outside and introducing yourself. Or so the cowboy authors tell us.

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OssanAmerica,

“Japan's ADIZ far outdates the one China recently declared as it took over from the one the U.S. established after WWII. So yes, China is a late comer to the yard and complaining when the original residents challenge them.”

So, you mean Japan took advantage of China for decades already. Tell me why can’t China set up the ADIZ when Japan had one that also overlapping other countries. Does it say anywhere in the international law that China can’t set up the ADIZ that way?

“Because no country is complaining and scrambling their fighters because Japanese planes aren't intruding on other's territories like China does. Looks to me like hypocrisy is China's trademark.”

And, I thought the article meant to show that China was complaining about Japan, or was I wrong? How many times did Japan and the US send military planes into China’s ADIZ? Remember one incident, the US caused the death of Chinese pilot but all American survived and landed in China instead of going back to the lapdog’s den. I wonder why China kept them alive is beyond me, maybe because of decency and goodness of the Chinese. Many news reports now covering about Japan claiming to give PH even more money than China so PH should not turn away from Japan. It’s become a competition. If Japan has a good intention towards China there wouldn’t be this sort of competition. Shame on Japan.

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China’s Defense Ministry on Thursday accused Japanese air force jets of locking their radars on to Chinese military aircraft, acting provocatively and endangering safety

Locking their radars on? Hostile and dangerous right? That's what you have done more than a few times in 2012 and 2013

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“This endangers the safety Chinese aircraft and personnel and is the root of the China-Japan maritime and air problem.”

No. The root of the China-Japan maritime and air problem is China.

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flowers: ... the US caused the death of Chinese pilot ...

The Chinese pilot caused his own death by flying his highly-maneuverable, one-passenger jet way too close to a highly-non-maneuverable many-passenger aircraft.

That was a choice he made, and he probably died from it (if Chinese didn't secretly pick him up). The bigger aircraft had no choice in the matter. They can't outrun or get away from a fighter if the fighter pilot doesn't want them to.

Check out the segment in this video, at time 5:26, of a US fighter trying to link up to an aerial tanker, probably fighting its prop wash. Now picture the Chinese fighter trying to fight the same wash but trying to get close to the larger plane, not a remote refueling boom.

https://youtu.be/jGGfZMHEK8A?t=326

THE LAST CRUISE IRAQ - F14 VIDEO

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turbotsat, “a highly-non-maneuverable many-passenger aircraft,” why didn’t you just say it was a spy plane? It shouldn’t be there in the first place. Did they have a sight seeing tour close to China’s shore? I guess the pilot committed suicide then for being too close to the unwelcome and bigger plane. The equipment seized was in fact used to spy on China and the result of this conduct caused the death of Chinese pilot. What else can you say? Maybe the pilot was still alive and the Chinese fabricated his death, OK blame it on China. It’s like the bombing of hospitals by the US and the excuse was they didn’t know the hospitals were there, or the bombing of Chinese embassy claiming it was an accident, or even a wedding for heaven sake. There were so many accidents, don’t you think?

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Tell me why can’t China set up the ADIZ when Japan had one that also overlapping other countries.

Japan has one that covers territory China has suddenly claimed. That's not overlapping other countries. The Japanese zone only covers Japanese territory.

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China’s Defense Ministry on Thursday accused Japanese air force jets of locking their radars on to Chinese military aircraft, acting provocatively and endangering safety, after Japan said it is scrambling a record number of fighter jets.

Well, you better not let fly your Fighter Jets closed to Japanese territory. Otherwise, Japanese fight jets' Pilots will do what they suppose to do. The Japanese fighter Jets' Pilots have duty to protect their country territory. So Communist Chinese Government must stop wasting Jet fuel and polluting air by sending unwelcome flight closed to Japanese Air and sea territories.

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@ flowers

Was it according to international law?

Yes

Japan's AZID almost touched the China shore

Not even close

SK adjusted their ADIZ to compensate

Check again

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Strangerland, Japan’s ADIZ not only covers Chinese territory, it also overlaps with SK. That’s what I called overlapping other countries. Who came first or who came second has nothing to do with the right to set up the ADIZ.

JBird, you should do your home work before answering like that. We are not in the court of law, don’t be afraid to expand your answers a little bit. I could expand your answers like these, yes it was according to international law on the part of China, not even close but real close, and check again you will find that SK did adjust their ADIZ and so did Japan before to get the most benefits.

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flowersOct. 29, 2016 - 03:58AM JST OssanAmerica, “Japan's ADIZ far outdates the one China recently declared as it took over from the one the U.S. established after WWII. So yes, China is a late comer to the yard and complaining when the original residents challenge them.” So, you mean Japan took advantage of China for decades already.

Japan didn't take "advantage" of anybody. It's China that declared it's ADIZ unilaterally and much later disregarding existing ADIZs and overlapping them.

Tell me why can’t China set up the ADIZ when Japan had one that also overlapping other countries. Does it say anywhere in the international law that China can’t set up the ADIZ that way?

Japan's ADIZ did not overlap with China. IT is China that created one which overlaps.

And, I thought the article meant to show that China was complaining about Japan, or was I wrong?

No you were correct. China unilaterally created an ADIZ recently which overlaps the long established existing Japanese one. They are complaining about being challenged when it is they, who have created the overlap.

How many times did Japan and the US send military planes into China’s ADIZ?

Japan has not sent any planes into China's ADIZ.

Remember one incident, the US caused the death of Chinese pilot but all American survived and landed in China >instead of going back to the lapdog’s den. I wonder why China kept them alive is beyond me, maybe because of decency and goodness of the Chinese.

Yea, the good Chinese sent the plane back in a thousand pieces after taking it apart for analysis. The incident was caused by a Chinese fighter pilot probably drunk on nationalism like you. Oh and it happened in international waters. The Chinese caused that accident.

Many news reports now covering about Japan claiming to give PH even more money than China so PH should not turn away from Japan. It’s become a competition. If Japan has a good intention towards China there wouldn’t be this sort of competition. Shame on Japan.

All while China carries on it's information war against Japan. China needs to recognize and respect international law, and become a constructive member of the international community. Difficult for a totalitarian dictatorship yes, but the current militant path it is taking will ultimately bring suffering to the Chinese people. Of course that may not mean much to the CCP and PLA leaders.

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Japan’s ADIZ not only covers Chinese territory, it also overlaps with SK. That’s what I called overlapping other countries.

Here's a useful map of the Air Defense Zones

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zone#/media/File:JADIZ_and_CADIZ_and_KADIZ_in_East_China_Sea.jpg

That took me, oh, 10 seconds to find.

For the life of me, I don't understand why people continue to make easily debunked lies in the age of google.

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flowers: turbotsat, “a highly-non-maneuverable many-passenger aircraft,” why didn’t you just say it was a spy plane? It shouldn’t be there in the first place. ...

It was over international waters. Why can't it be there?

flowers: Japan’s ADIZ not only covers Chinese territory, it also overlaps with SK. That’s what I called overlapping other countries.

Black Sabbath: Here's a useful map of the Air Defense Zones. (garbled link missing angle brackets) ... For the life of me, I don't understand why people continue to make easily debunked lies in the age of google.

This is probably your link, fixed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JADIZ_and_CADIZ_and_KADIZ_in_East_China_Sea.jpg

Just looking at Jeju Island, flowers is correct.

Japan's ADIZ runs very close to ROK's Jeju, far from any Japanese territory.

Probably based on Ieodo / Socotro submerged rock, not especially close to anywhere but (at least to the eye) definitely farther from any Japanese territory than from Korean or Chinese territory. ROK has put a tower with a helipad on it and (before or after installation) extended its ADIZ to cover it.

Wikipedia says none of the claims valid because rock is farther than 12 nm from anywhere. I think. Don't want to read farther. Except that the rock appears to be about two Jeju-lengths from the closest above-sea land, which is Jeju itself, and Jeju is 73 km / 45.4 mi long, so Ieodo is about 143 km / 90.8 miles from anywhere. Not 12 nm.

Re 12 nm at Ieodo / Socotro submerged rock: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socotra_Rock

... International maritime law stipulates that a submerged rock outside of a nation's territorial sea (generally 12 nautical miles) can not be claimed as territory by any nation. However, the rock is the subject of a maritime dispute between South Korea, China and even Japan, which considers it to lie within its exclusive economic zone. ...

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OssanAmerica, look at the map provided by Black Sabbath and tell me Japan’s ADIZ is not overlapping other countries. You can see that the size of Japan’s ADIZ is ridiculous almost the size of SK’s and China’s ADIZ combined.

“They are complaining about being challenged when it is they, who have created the overlap.” So, you said China created the overlap so you meant to tell me China should have only created the ADIZ to only meet Japan’s ADIZ and not overlap because Japan set up the ADIZ first, right? So China has no right to have the ADIZ cover the area that they considered theirs, right? SK should have no right to the overlapping ADIZ, also right? It seems that Japan was the victim of all these problems, right?

“Japan has not sent any planes into China's ADIZ.” No, then where are those planes coming from?

“Oh and it happened in international waters. The Chinese caused that accident,” yea, it happened in international waters, but what did they do in those waters?

“All while China carries on it's information war against Japan.” I think it is the opposite. All the evidences show Japan and the US are creating all these trouble, if you don’t believe me, go and ask Duterte. Oh, by the way, Duterte did visit China first, right?

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flowers: “Oh and it happened in international waters. The Chinese caused that accident,” yea, it happened in international waters, but what did they do in those waters?

They flew around collecting information. China can do that near USA if it wants, and I think they do, don't they? Russia does. US scrambles jets to meet Russian bombers flying by, but the jets avoid getting close enough that turbulence could toss them up into the visiting aircraft's wing.

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flowersOct. 29, 2016 - 08:26AM JST OssanAmerica, look at the map provided by Black Sabbath and tell me Japan’s ADIZ is not overlapping other countries. You can see that the size of Japan’s ADIZ is ridiculous almost the size of SK’s and China’s ADIZ combined. “They are complaining about being challenged when it is they, who have created the overlap.” So, you said China >created the overlap so you meant to tell me China should have only created the ADIZ to only meet Japan’s ADIZ and >not overlap because Japan set up the ADIZ first, right?

No. The United States set up the ADIZ. It was handed over to Japan later.

So China has no right to have the ADIZ cover the area that they considered theirs, right? SK should have no right to >the overlapping ADIZ, also right? It seems that Japan was the victim of all these problems, right?

South Korea and Japan don't fly close to each other and they don't scramble as a result so they don't make whiny comments like China,

“Japan has not sent any planes into China's ADIZ.” No, then where are those planes coming from?

Japanese planes are coming from Japanese territory and intercepting military intrusions by China into Japanese ADIZ. “Oh and it happened in international waters. The Chinese caused that accident,” yea, it happened in international waters, but what did they do in those waters?

They were flying over international waters carrying out a routine patrol mission.

“All while China carries on it's information war against Japan.” I think it is the opposite. All the evidences show Japan >and the US are creating all these trouble, if you don’t believe me, go and ask Duterte. Oh, by the way, Duterte did visit >China first, right?

Only you and the Chinese Foreign Ministry think the US and Japan are the ones "creating" trouble, ignoring the fact that it is China that is building artificial islands and militarizing the South China Sea,

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