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China says Japan's East China Sea pictures provoke confrontation

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Enduring the daily China vs Japan rhetoric is getting... "very regrettable"

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The pictures are provocative but the building is not.

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unfortunately underwater wells don't understand jursidiction so much of the oil could be extracted from the japanese side. the continued construction of these platforms so close to sea borders is a direct challenge by china to all countries in the area.

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In general, by photographing things that are not illegal, and then disseminating them as if you are presenting a prosecutor-side proof in court, you can create a psychological effect whereby legal things become illegal between the lines. Plus, when you have plenty of people that have already closed their minds and picked their sides; all they need is a straw to grasp at.

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the only thing provoking confrontation is the "chinese construction activity in the east china sea"

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I used to have some respect for China in the not-so-distant past but now it just seems silly. There are the repeated provocations of neighbours then the ridiculous blaming of them for upsetting the peace when those neighbours react. It is like an endless loop of absurdity. China please grow up. You are committing PR suicide on an epic scale because there must be many like me.

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The US takes the photo and China and Japan blame each other, I think the US is trying to start something here.

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Break it down first, then we have the dialog, No point of having dialog to let the Chinese thieves still oil.

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As I said, Japan breached the islands dispute (UK documents showed last year Japan and CHina had indeed shelved the dispute) by provoking China (Japan bought the islands). Now it provokes China again by using military patrols with USA/Philippines in an area that Japan is not even a claimant.

Today Japan provokes Japan by publishing "photos" of activities by China that are NOT even illegal. Japan itself dragged its feet/abandoned the joint gas exploration plans, so China has the right to do the exploration etc within its own area. Abe/Japan is harping on with illegitimate reasons to hype up the "China threat" that even Japan Def White Paper this week does not show what the real threat is, as the media pointed out. Yet Abe/Japan now, suspiciously, releases these photos to desperately drum up non-existing support for his bogus security bills. Japan always accusses China of manipulation, but Japan itself blatantly manipulates its own public and the world.

But Japanese people now can see through Abe's manipulation. The fact that Japanese people, legal experts and etc have all rejected his bogus security bills show that his "China threat" is unfounded, especially Japanese citizens realize how beneficial China is for Japan's survival (economic terms).

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what a load

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Your absurd claim that China is the victim in all this might make more sense, ringman, if China didn't also provoke its other neighbours. The India Times has a convenient list of China's disputes and provocations. Perhaps you will argue it is a conspiracy against the much-maligned but nonetheless innocent China by all its neighbours. Or that any Indian publication cannot be unbiased. But I suspect that no amount of evidence will divert your beliefs.

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-12-05/news/44808172_1_south-china-sea-xisha-islands-paracel-islands

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Japan is correct in making this an issue. Under "normal" circumstances it would not be an issue, however the potential military use of these platforms is undeniable. And China has already made pubic statements suggesting that Chinese Oil Platform locations determine Chinese territorial sovereignty, with respect to disputes with Vietnam. China's actions in connection with heir territorial expansion program should be made public by all nations for the world to see.

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The moment China stops talking is when the world should start worrying.

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They should be nailed down back into their position once and for all... Nazi started that way quickly but silently, appropriating territories that were not of their own.

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In 2012, Japan’s government angered Beijing by purchasing a disputed, uninhabited island chain in the East China Sea.

And so Beijing decided it had to show the world China could create islands by themselves and claim all of the East China Sea for the greater good of China, the great China led by great leaders who have the right, no doubt since ancient times to the territory, never mind their encroaching on all countries bordering the ECS. Who is provoking who exactly? Answer that one for yourself and imagine there seems to be China logic and international logic, the two on a different frequency, a world apart.

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Maybe China should stop playing the game Stop Hitting Yourself

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I have come to the conclusion that China really is their own worst enemy.

How can China accuse any other nation of provocation when THEY are invading the South China Sea with "Land Reclamation" provoking Vietnam, The Philippines, Australia, and Malaysia THEN they incur upon Japan's exclusive Economic Zone's violating s 2008 Economic Agreement with Japan and then they they turn around and begin the incursions of The Senkakku Islands - hence accusing Japan of provoking confrontation by exposing China's attempt at Domestic Oil Exploration cutting back Foreign Importation of oil?

You can't have it both ways.

This is another sneaky distrusted attempt by China at trying to change the "Status Quo" and this is why Foreign Investors are Bailing on China - They simply don't trust China anymore and I have asserted many times that ANY Promise made by China is a Promise Written On Water.

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Personally, I think if enough nations start island building then this might lead to some great international competitions with the prizes being plum natural resources-it beats war right.......

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In Chinese newspapers and magazines, they use those fuzzy pixels over the images like in Japanese porn movies to keep the populous in the fuzzy dark.

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@moonraker and ossan:

You avoided the main theme: Abe's security bills are Unlawful and haphazard and without logic but only using hyperboles.. and using photos of China's rightful activities to desperately drum up non-existing fear of China and non-existing public support for these bills is itself more hypocrisy than anything China can top.

Regarding your extrapolation, where exactly does the article or Japan say what China is doing with her own gas exploration works is illegal? Japan is just choking on hyperboles and presenting facts when they are Not facts, as the article and other commentators suggest. Your words would perhaps make some sense if Japan was really innocent of its own dishonest actions/provocations and manipulation and using hype to falsely fatten its BS and Abe's bogus security bills. So of course I don't buy your list, just as you don't buy the list of Japan's BS.

Moreover, as I pointed out, the fact that the Japanese people, not you and not me, have REJECTED Abe's bogus security bills prove my point: nobody believes there is such an urgent immiment do-or-die "grave threat" from China. And Japanese citizens know China is not a threat because they desperately need China for the long-term. The latest Japan Defense White Paper also does not make it appear that China is such a "threat" as Japanese media pointed out.

In fact, ISIS , as far as it is, is far more lethal and a real threat to Japan especially after the beheadings of Jpn hostages etc., and still that does not warrant such security bills...so China, with which Japan came to an agreement last year (Diaoyou/Senksku islands), is far less a "threat" by a wide margin. And re: South China Sea, you can read up and see China has long controlled those islands, and only until recently the Philippines and Vietnam started to claim and do reclamation work too...and as I pointed before, no Tribunal has jurisdiction over the Philippines' claims.

And as I said, regarding these gas fields in the ocean, Japan dragged its feet/abandoned the joint plans, so why does it insist China cannot do anything in her own waters? Japan hypes up nonsense with the USA to suppress China, and they think they can do what they want to accuse China with flimsy envious reasons and surround China with military bases to contain her.. yet they tell China what she can or cannot do in her own waters?

Thus, instead of boasting a list of China 's so-called "threats", why don't you first examine the long stick in Japan's (and America's and Philippines') eye and its own list of deceits?...especially now Abe is gravely threatening Japanese democracy and its rule of law.

As the Japanese people and legal experts are asking now: WHERE is the "China threat"? Do you prefer hyperboles for a nation to shape or reshape its supreme law?

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China provokes not only Japan but also the other claimants in the South China Sea. China speaks with 3 tongues: - 1) diplomatic manoeuvrings 2) Threats 3) peace promoter. It chooses a tongue that suits its devious purpose.

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Moonraker, spot on, It's like walking up to someone, punching them in the face then looking surprised when they react to said punch in the face. China do this all the time: they do something they know will get a negative reaction then act all defensive when the Japanese react in the way they expected them to. Fishing boats, entering Japanese air space, entering Japanese territorial waters, or carrying out military operations just at the perimeter... then blaming the Japanese for getting annoyed and blaming them for ruining international relations. The Chinese don't want to be on good terms with the Japanese - they want someone they can have as a bogeyman. It suits their political aims.

I mean they've claimed waters around other countries, like pirates of old... why? Probably because they can.

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China is building a goddamn runway in the Spratly Islands. If that isn't provocative, I don't know what is.

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China is building a goddamn runway in the Spratly Islands. If that isn't provocative, I don't know what is.

"Do not make a fuss... you will damage Japan-China relations. Nothing is happening here, you understand? Nothing..."

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The Chinese don't want to be on good terms with the Japanese - they want someone they can have as a bogeyman. It suits their political aims.

Japanese have this (unspoken) superiority complex against the Chinese. I don't think either of these people want to be on good terms with each other. And unlike reconciliation in Europe after WW2, the Japanese will always be the bogeyman in the far east to both China and Korea.

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To the above posters, why are the main points avoided (from me and related to the article)? Why so afraid to answer my points directly? Not a single voice of reason and objectivity but only cries to destroy China without examining the big stick in Japan's/USA's/Philippines' eye.

You nick-picked and extrapolate but evaded the main points. Ok, regarding your unrelated or quasi-related points:

@advill:

it's the same with Abe/Japan, left hand peace stick, right hand breaching and "nationalizing" islands (that UK documents showed both nations shelved the islands issue, and even the U.S. can't say to which country the sovereignty of the Diaoyou/Senkaku islands belong to but could "give" the islands to Japan, which even western media find strange/makes no sense) and provoking China with military patrols and telling China it has no right to its own ADZ (when Japan has a huge one) etc. And the USA is worst. The three things you list are exactly what the USA is famous for, and you know it, as USA is always threatening sanctions with "peace," and military intervention with "peace" and initiating unjust wars and turning a blind eye when Abe did not apologize to China/Korea in his Congress speech (but could "sympathize" with Jewish holocaust victims and always preaching about moral virtues and universal values and saying it is against crimes-against-humanity committed by the Nazis ) because it wants Abe to really push on regarding Okinawa/do what USA wants it to do (security bills) etc etc etc.

If that is not DEVIOUS for you, I doubt, so does the Japanese population doubt, if China can top that kind of self-righteous deviousness. And, as you can read up, the provocations started also from Japan, Philippines and Vietnam.... and most of all , USA. How about China having military bases near USA to contain it, would you not feel provoked? So be try to be a bit fair and objective instead of blindly hating China.

This is WHY the Japanese people do not see China as the kind of "grave threat" as the above posters and Abe would want them to... and the Japanese people/legal experts/even SDF members have totally rejected Abe's "China threat" reasons for his bogus security bills, as I keep telling these posters who refuse to see the reality of this fact. Turn on the TV or go to the sites of the demontrations against Abe/security bills, and NOT ONE of them has China (or the "China threat") on their mind, but they have one thing on their mind as the REAL THREAT: Abe and his lack of rule of law.

People here have to FACE the fact: Abe, to the Japanese people, is the most dangerous threat and public enemy number ONE. Period. Nothing to do with China, and the Japanese people know that very well now. Abe's "China threat" ammunition is backfiring on all cylinders and taking him down and down and down into the abyss, deeper than his tummy aches... (and you can bet China is having the last laugh and will continue with her own BOLDER and rightful activities that are not illegal).

@thunderbird2 and serendipitious:

you just described the whole history of USA and how it treated those who couldn't/can't go along with its so called "values." And don't forget Japan, "nationalizing" the islands and provoking China and then looking surprised when China is angry... and even today, its whitewashing of history and now Abe revising the brutal history of Japan is provoking China/Korea, but feigns surprise when China/Korea are rightfully outraged. So of course, it is "spot on" for you and such posters, because you use double standards and one set of beliefs but then try to CONVINCE me that I have no right to objectively show that Japan/USA/Philippines are hypocrites and have provoked China too.

Conclusion:

So, to these and other same-minded posters, please, come on, if you really think USA and Japan and Philippines are that pure and China is that impure with their respective motivations, then why these posters cannot give a single convincing argument but resorting only to emotional, frustrated lines of reasoning/words/hyperboles that have no self-reflection and no room for objectivity?

And the topic was about these gas exploration sites that China is buidling/built - - why is Japan harping on about this and using photos to tarnish China when Japan and the article do not even say what China is doing is or could be illegal (especially Japan dragged its feet/abandoned such joint exploration plans and China is doing her things within her area)? It just makes NO sense whatever. And... using these photos to get a rise out of the Japanese population to hate China and to support Abe's much-hated bogus security bills is the same DEVIOUSNESS that the above posters talk about. There's no two-way about it.

How would you and Japan feel if China releases photos of Japan building her own exploration sites in her own area and China claims "unfair/foul play"?

So examine the big stick in Japan/USA/Philippines' eye first, please, if you want to respect the discussion and be objective...

'Night, all.

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Wc626Jul. 23, 2015 - 11:52PM JST "The Chinese don't want to be on good terms with the Japanese - they want someone they can have as a bogeyman. It suits their political aims."

Japanese have this (unspoken) superiority complex against the Chinese. I don't think either of these people want to >be on good terms with each other.

Actually it's the spoken and outspoken inferiority complex that some Chinese have towards the Japanese, the flames of which are fanned and fueled by the Chinese dictatorship's policy of using anti-Japan sentiment as a political and diplomatic tool

And unlike reconciliation in Europe after WW2, the Japanese will always be the bogeyman in the far east to both >China and Korea.

You are right there, as long as the one party Chinese dictatorship continues to use anti-Japan sentiment, and as long as South Korea caters to China's will, yes, it will never be gone. Also of interest that China (PRC) did not exist until 3 years after WWII ended, and Korea was part of Japan until 1945 with Koreans in the Imperial Japanese military invading other Asian countries, that thse two nations are only ones that harp on Japan's WWII history. Whereas, all the real Allied powers, the ones who fought Japan have moved on and have no issues. Even Taiwan which represents the "Allied China" that fought Japan.

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@sf2k, playing "Stop hitting yourself"... ?... All I know is that everybody wants to hit China out of what?, envy?, frustration? hatred?... because I know China no more unfair than Japan/USA etc.

"what a load".. I feel sorry you feel that way... usually "what a load" retorts usually means one thing to me: the inability to fairly address an issue (i.e. no objectivity). but it's your right to believe USA/Japan are truly pure and China is not. And I say this out of politeness.

'Nite.

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ringman2: your posts are way too long. seriously. I would have read your comment, but I simply don't have the time. Sorry.

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China's mentality is to build first talk later. Nothing new they built the knew island built first talk later. If Hawaii was not a US state they would claim it too.

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@Ringman2

I thought I would chime-in and help you out with helping you understand why most posters here have reservations when it comes to China and their motives.

And You have made a lot of good points however your points are side-stepping 1 single aspect about China - The Fact that China is a Communist - 1 Party Ruled Maoist Doctrine Nation that does not believe in a Democracy nor do they allow their people to voice themselves on how the people would like to decide their Nations future by having Free & Fair Elections in China ; nor will the Communist Party ever adopt a Democratic Constitution along with a Bill of Rigjts for their people. This form of government is Despotic and Dangerous not only to their own people but to their own future as well.

And Yes, China has made several direct threats to the Asian Region & International Community.

They told the Ukraine when they purchased that old Kuznestv Soviet Class Aircraft Carrier (now the Liaoning) a few years back that their intention of purchasing the carrier was to turn it into a floating Casino.

Last time I checked the Liaoning, I didn't see any Slot Machines on the flight deck but plenty of Fighter Aircraft performing launch and recovery maneuvers in the South China Sea and when the USS Cowpens went to investigate, they were ordered out of the South China Sea by the "Floating Casino Liaoning" and they almost collided with a Chinese Naval Warship that cut directly in front of USS Cowpens.

And I am not totally biased here because I have been to China 4 times and I didn't like what I saw when I was there & nobody really needs to open a History Book to know what Communist China is up too and I would never defend their sick & twisted facaded agenda of Communist Regional Expansion and Domination the Pacific Region

Investors are pulling out of Communist China and soon Communist China is going to find themselves isolated, sanctioned, and wondering why they have become their own worst enemy and believe me that is not a matter of "IF" but "WHEN".

I hope this helped you out.

BTW: I still wanna see that floating casino.

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wait wait,, Then I want to see the Italians claiming back the Roman Empire, and by the way,,,the Mongols should claim back the chinese lands,,,,!!!

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@ringman

China is a far greater risk to Japan than ISIS. I can only assume that you have never been to China and talked to the locals about the 'coming war of revenge' against Japan (a phrase I have literally heard used by several Chinese people - a minority, thankfully, but a minority which is thinking the way their government wants them to). That said, I am against Abe and his constitutional reforms; but do not be complacent about China under the CCP. The CCP suffers from a sense of entitlement and will take whatever anyone else makes it possible for them to take, both territorially and economically.

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China is Absurdistan.

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China wants to do whatever and trying to play world leader when they are not, Japan has a right to protect itself and make sure china doesn't surprise them with anything, maybe China should change their ways to avoid confrontation.

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Japan is correct in making this an issue

And I am doing my share in circulating stories to all of the world. The world should know China is an aggressor in Asia and needs to be stopped.

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