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Benign neglect may be the best way to deal with an unreasonable neighbor.

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China said on Saturday that there was no room for compromise with Japan on questions of history and disputed territory, “each inch” of which it would defend from its Asian neighbor.

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The wolf is looking for new lambs to devour.

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Why not use Germany DURING WWII as an example of what China is today, a neo-fascist totalitarian dictatorship bent on secret military buildup with the goal of regional domination.

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As usual, the CCP makes ludicrous claims. Utter cow poo. Surely the Tibetans would more accurately compare the CCP to the Nazis.

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classical china commy gov with their classic idiotic rhetoric have cornered themselves, now no way out, they just made a declaration of war.

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It seems like China is looking for new headline attention, if so, they'd better think twice before doing anything stupid.

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why not use Germany after the Second World War as a role model?”

Yes, China. Why don't you do that?

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China : masters of diplomacy

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Unfortunately, Japan remains the country China loves to hate more than sixty years after surrender. The past does not equal the present. But the Japanese make an easy target for those with nationalist inclinations as the many apologies often feel less than heart felt. So I guess the Japanese never did enough, early enough, strongly enough or completely. Thus bitterness still runs deep even after thirty five years since Japan and China normalized relations. Again Japan has repeatedly apologized in the past for its action but it's not enough and that's sad for China continues to make excuses not to truly forgive. Only in forgiveness is there the abiding sense of commitment towards compassion and peace. Forgiveness is empowering and holds great promise to conflict resolution. I believe it is a transforming experience that fosters more positive emotions and less negative thoughts. Seriously let the healing begin China.

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Ukraine Crisis is a test for Senkaku. If Obama fails, China will not have fear to provoke Japan. China.Russia and North Korea are managing the weakness of western powers. Third World War is coming.

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I dont know if I m right, but every time we see news in reference to China there are always the word Japan in the middle. Why they care so much about Japan? Dont they feel powerful? If so, why do they need to mention other nation. Japan doesnt need to mention China in her statement.

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a lot of this increased rhetoric is due to the USA's loss of face dealing with Russia and the Ukraine instance. So the Chinese feel it is another case of the USA displaying it will back down to China as well.

Who knows with the current president of the US who is spending his time harassing Israel and his own people and ignoring the rest of the world.

China knows it has until the next US Presidential election to force the issue in the Senkaku - if it can get the USA to back down which will force Japan to give them up then they will win in the region for the next 50 years. Nothing that leaves Japan ports will be able to do so without being seen by the chinese.

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“Only by making a clean break with the past and stop going back on one’s own words can the relationship emerge from the current impasse and have a future,” Wang said, reiterating China’s oft-stated stance.

Not A China-lover by any means, but there is a lot of truth in this statement. Japan really does need to stop "revisiting" history and just move on. Other than the 130 million or so people there that this kind of thinking pleases, it simply makes Japan look insincere and gutless to the rest of the world.

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I agree with the sentiment on history, absolutely.

But as far as I am aware Japan is not trying to obtain any Chinese territory, so this is just sabre rattling and an indicator of China's true expansionist agenda.

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@praack

China knows it has until the next US Presidential election to force the issue in the Senkaku - if it can get the USA to back down which will force Japan to give them up then they will win in the region for the next 50 years. Nothing that leaves Japan ports will be able to do so without being seen by the chinese.

That's what I was eluding to. If China were to make any sudden moves on the islands or even Taiwan, it would have to be within the 3 year window, of course they are watching the events unfold in Russia and are probably feeling emboldened and could possibly think, If Russia can do it, so can we, but that would be also opening up a can of worms for China, at that point, the US HAS to act. it doesn't have a choice. I am not saying the Chinese are going to do anything, but you can't rule anything out, there is always that chance. Do I think China is that stupid, I couldn't say, but the world was prepared that Russia was going to invade the Ukraine, what's to say, China wouldn't or couldn't do the same thing. Only time will tell...

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Why all these bullies (Russia, China......) are acting up recently? The answer is obvious and hard to swallow, assuming you know it. China opens the loud mouth base on the fictional claims of vast territory that is not in line and acceptable norm of international community. If Russia could do it to Ukraine, Why not China, right? Well, the world will stand up against communist China's dirty tactics one of these day. How to treat the bully, the world will find out sooner!

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As a minor news in business a Chinese solar company had declared default to their shadow banking fund which will ripple through the entire PRC economy. This is PRC's way of doing damage control through evading the eminent threat within.

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I dont know if I m right, but every time we see news in reference to China there are always the word Japan in the middle. Why they care so much about Japan?

Because they are in the middle of a territorial dispute with Japan over the senakaku/daioyu islands, and fighting a propaganda war. They ware winning that propaganda war as well. Japan will never be able to match China's skill at spinning propaganda.

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Soon or later someone will teach China a lesson.

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On the two issues of principle, history and territory, there is no room for compromise, Foreign Minister Wang Yi told reporters on the sidelines of Chinas annual parliament.

The threat is there and Communist China's plan is obvious, they mean to invade what is not theirs and the world be damned.

Their plan calls for a short term war where they will invade what they think is theirs and then ask for peace. In their warped minds this will be a win win. They will appease their Nationalist and have new resources to feed their nation.

But, as with all plans created by men of no vision or understanding they will bite more than they can chew. When they invade Japan they will open Pandora's Box and then chaos shall reign supreme.

Only by making a clean break with the past and stop going back on ones own words can the relationship emerge from the current impasse and have a future, Wang said, reiterating Chinas oft-stated stance.

And there we have the hypocrisy of Communist propaganda. They point a finger and forget that three fingers are pointing right back at them.

If Communist China could accept the fact that it wasn't a nation during WW2 they would be able to move on. But, this hypocritical stance has nothing to do with the past or some silly maps that they claim proves anything.

This entire argument has to do with the fact that Communist China wants to flex it's paper tiger muscle and take what it wants.

Same thing that Germany did before WW2.

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You know when you have domestic problems, the big bad enemy is always outside your borders for the ruling tyrants..

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StrangerlandMar. 09, 2014 - 10:03AM JST Because they are in the middle of a territorial dispute with Japan over the senakaku/daioyu islands, and fighting a >propaganda war. They ware winning that propaganda war as well. Japan will never be able to match China's skill at >spinning propaganda.

Winning the propaganda war? Where? Besides South Korea they aren't even winning in the rest of Asia much less North and South America and Europe. China really does look like a backwards foolish country in the eyes of the world. Even Russia refused to buy China's "propaganda".

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It is about time that China stands up for herself. She has been bullied by too many for too long! If Japan wants to revisit her past acts again and again, using different people and different mouth pieces, then the whole of Asia must tango with her.

Ok, you're starting out good...

Every time Japan wants to whitewash her evil past, Tibet is dragged into the picture. Tibet has been part of China since 14 Dalai Lamas ago.

Then BAM, you go and do the same thing you accuse Japan of - trying to whitewash history.

While the situation in Tibet is irrelevant to Japan's whitewashing of its own history, you are killing your own argument with your hypocrisy.

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I love how PRC is whitewashing her recent past with Japan in which Japan provided more then three trillion yen in soft loan, zero interest financial assistance and technical assistance through ODA from the 80's which became the basis of PRC becoming the "Factory of the World".

One more thing PRC has not paid off the low interest soft loan back either.

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Winning the propaganda war? Where?

Everywhere except in Japan.

Besides South Korea they aren't even winning in the rest of Asia much less North and South America and Europe. China really does look like a backwards foolish country in the eyes of the world.

And yet the newspapers consistently print the Chinese arguments, which slowly sway the people towards the Chinese, because as hysterical as the Chinese are, all the stuff they are saying about Japan is correct. And so when their propaganda is printed, it's not printed with disclaimers about the Chinese claims being incorrect, it's just printed as the Chinese have said it. And if you think that this doesn't sway people over time, you obviously have no idea how propaganda works.

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Just like China will never convince anyone to accept communism, japan will never convince others that they committed anything less than atrocities

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Just like China will never convince anyone to accept communism

China isn't even remotely communist. They certainly aren't trying to get anyone else to be communist when they aren't even doing it themselves.

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They ware winning that propaganda war as well.

The Chinese aren't even winning the propaganda war inside East Turkestan. The Chinese are so reviled there that the Uighurs are willing to lay down their lives to strike back at them.

China is seen as the biggest threat to stability in Asia. The Australians released a paper in February pointing to China as the biggest threat to Australia. Indian opposition leader Narendra Modi told China to abandon its "expansionist attitude" while campaigning for the upcoming general election. The President of the Philippines likened China to Nazi Germany.

"At what point do you say 'Enough is enough?' Well the world has to say it -- remember that Sudentenland was given in an attempt to appease Hitler to prevent World War II," Benigno told the New York Times in an interview.

A court in Spain issued arrest warrants for China's former President Jiang Zemin and Prime Minister Li Peng, charging them with "genocide, torture and crimes against humanity." And on and on it goes...

But the Chinese will still have you believe they are"winning" the propaganda war.

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Breaking news:

China said on Saturday that there was no room for compromise with Japan on questions of history and disputed territory, “each inch” of which it would defend from its Asian neighbor.

Another massive shock: The sky is blue. I think everyone already knew that China wouldn't compromise. They're too stubborn. They want Japan's territory, and they want the world to believe China's anti-Japanese propaganda. China can go eff itself. Yes, Japan did bad things in the past, but China's is far from laudable. In fact, I would say that China has commited far greater atrocities than Japan did. At least Japan has attempted to atone for those actions, and has maintained a pacifist constitution for the last 69 years. All the while, China has spent the last 69 years staining its hands with blood, invading its neighbours, massacring its own citizens, brainwashing its people with propaganda, commiting endless human rights violations, sending its environment into meltdown, and making outrageous claims to territories not its own.

China says there's no room for compromise? Fine. Play it that way. Then the Senkakus are not China's. There will be no compromise there. If China wants to be so utterly childish and pathetic, it can suffer the consequences of that decision. China is an absolute disgrace.

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The Chinese aren't even winning the propaganda war inside East Turkestan. The Chinese are so reviled there that the Uighurs are willing to lay down their lives to strike back at them.

You are crossing issues here. The Chinese propaganda war with the Japanese has nothing to do whatsoever with the Uighur issue, nor vice versa. The Uighurs couldn't give a damn about Japan, and most Japanese don't even know what a Uighur is.

China is seen as the biggest threat to stability in Asia. The Australians released a paper in February pointing to China as the biggest threat to Australia. Indian opposition leader Narendra Modi told China to abandon its "expansionist attitude" while campaigning for the upcoming general election. The President of the Philippines likened China to Nazi Germany.

Again, this has nothing to do with the propaganda war China is fighting with Japan.

The Chinese are winning the propaganda war against Japan, there is no denying it (well there is, but not by anyone who knows what they are talking about). The Chinese are losing the propaganda war when it comes to their ADIZ, expansionist activities in the South Pacific, the Uighurs and the Tibetans. But these are all separate issues.

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How can there be compromise with these Japanese? My god, they sound exactly like Goebbels Nazi propaganda minister when you hear them amongst themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gucs-6lHtkc&feature=youtu.be

If they were more candid in front of foreigners, and speak their real opinions that they have in their heads, they'd be shamed off the face of the planet. It is so disgusting.

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It's a dumb statement but the truth is that Abe's calls for "dialogue" with China really add up to the same thing: no compromise.

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The Uighurs couldn't give a damn about Japan, and most Japanese don't even know what a Uighur is.

Wrong. It seems you know very little about the Uighurs. Take Rebiya Kadeer, head of the World Uyghur Congress, for instance.

[Rebiya] Kadeer made a donation of 100,000 yen ($125) on Friday to Takeo Hiranuma, a member of parliament and the party representative of the Sunrise Party of Japan, after the meeting of the WUC assembly, and declared that she would help the Tokyo metropolitan government "buy" the [Senkaku] Islands.

Kadeer also asserted that she hoped "Japan or the world" could buy [East Tukestan].

http://www.globaltimes.cn/NEWS/tabid/99/ID/710442/Scholars-slam-WUC-heads-donation-to-Japans-bid-to-buy-Diaoyu.aspx

As the old saying goes, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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Wrong. It seems you know very little about the Uighurs. Take Rebiya Kadeer, head of the World Uyghur Congress, for instance.

Two years ago, one Uighur made a donation of ~$1000 to a member of a fringe political party in Japan. I'd hardly consider that to equate to the Uighurs giving a damn about Japan.

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Ossan: "Why not use Germany DURING WWII as an example of what China is today, a neo-fascist totalitarian dictatorship bent on secret military buildup with the goal of regional domination."

Actually, you could use that as an example of both what Japan is becoming today and what it was at the same time as the wars that politicians like Aso praise Germany for and say Japan should emulate. Not dismissing China's hypocrisy by any means, but you seem to think it's a one way street, as usual. Japan wants China to 'discuss' history, it says, but what it really wants is, "we hope for your cooperation" in simply accepting Japan's extremely distorted view. Neither side will reach any 'compromise', and since when you do compromise on FACTS to begin with? Just because Japan wants to forget history (save when they are victims) does not mean you can forget about the atrocities Japan committed for politics' sake.

So long as Japan fails to truly atone for its atrocities and acknowledge history, they will forever be hounded by it... and honestly, a lot of these right-wing nutters in politics are seriously harming Japan's reputation on the international stage.

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It's like water and oil don't mix well.

Chinese imperialists suppressing their ethnic minorities, can't mix with Japanese who long for the glory days of their imperial past and are doing their best to revive it. So in that regard, China and Japan are basically not too different from each other.

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The CCP, unlike all democratic governments, think in the long-term. I don't think China's propaganda war against Japan or its saber-rattling should be viewed by its short-term effect. You can guarantee that this is just the beginning and China will still be doing this long after Abe ( a godsend to its propaganda machine ) has faded into obscurity and another procession of Japanese PMs has come and gone. We can look forward to more of this for decades. Anyone with any knowledge of Chinese history and how that history is viewed in China knows that they won't relent until the region gets back to what they see as the natural way of things - China as the regional superpower. The near future could get really unpleasant.

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China says no room for compromise with Japan on history, territory

Return it to the Sender with your note.

Japan says no room for compromise with China on history, territory.

That's right. I am not kidding here.

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Chucky,

I asked in another forum and you never answered, but I was, and am genuinely curious.

You seem very unhappy with Japan, what do you feel Japan would have to do for you to be able to move forward?

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Thank you for your words wang. You make it clear for everyone the precise reasons why Japan needs to build up an army.

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Two years ago, one Uighur made a donation of ~$1000 to a member of a fringe political party in Japan.

That "one Uighur" was the head of the WUC. You also missed the part about the WUC meeting being held in Japan. The Uighurs that "coudn't give a damn about Japan" decided to hold their meeting in Japan.

The World Uyghur Congress began its general assembly Monday in Tokyo, with some 120 representatives from the ethnic group's communities in more than 10 countries participating.

China's propaganda failed with the Uighurs and it failed with its neighbors. The fact is, you only need to see the arms race going on right now in Asia to realize that no one buys China's propaganda.

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All smoke and mirrors designed to distract both Japanese and Chinese public for some other secretive agenda I'm sure. This kind of pointless contentiousness is just a ruse. These two super-powers have much bigger plans between them that we may never know about. As Bob Marley would say "Don't worry, be happy"

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globalwatcher: "Japan says no room for compromise with China on history, territory. That's right. I am not kidding here."

So you admit Japan is every bit as hypocritical as China is (or at least you are). Good on you for that. Is this like when China called Japan Voldemort, and Japan turned around and said, "un-uh! YOU are Voldemort (sniff sniff)"?

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You cannot neglect the past history and ignore the provocative actions and words used by either sides. Who was unimaginably cruel to the mankind in the past and what their nationalist leaders are talking and trying corrected history change to look feel and good to themselves. Here is a verse by Kuo Mo-jo -

"Iron Virgin" The Iron Virgin was found in Medieval Europe, A really cruel fortune was she, Her inside was just a box which sharp nails, But her outside showed the image of Holy Mary.

The Holy Mary was the door of the box, From behind her breast a spike protruded. The victim was put inside, and the door, closed, The long nail thus pierced the victim's chest.

In Manchuria the Japanese had a new invention, Sharp nails were lined up on the inside of a barrel. With the victim in it, and both ends sealed, The barrel was left in the streets to be kicked around.

The torture had no kind looks of the Holy Lady, But was equipped with such iron breasts as the Virgin's. The Japanese, they say, just named it Nail Box, Ah, they surely are good at imitation.

I've seen such kind of cruel torture by the Japanese soldiers in many documentary and remake war movies of Japanese invasion of Manchuria and WWii, especially in East and Southeast Asia. All the kind and sincere Japanese, including the old soldiers who were once doers of those deeds, regretted, confessed, and cleanse themselves the shadows of the past.

I really Japan lead for World Peace by strengthening the peace constitution and keeping Article 9 intact, but many Japanese leaders of the past legacy are still crying the wrong to be right. I hope sincere Japanese people will win in the end and make better friendship with their neighbours.

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Ships from both countries shadow each other around the disputed islets, called the Diaoyu in China and the Senkaku in Japan. Tokyo has scrambled jets numerous times in response to Chinese aircraft, raising fears of a clash.

In fact, PRC and Taiwan ships have come and go as they please since late 1960s. Back then successive J government were not nationalistic and avoided publicity and media exposure. Therefore ships have been confronting each other is not the latest news. The ships have been playing Tom and Jerry game for many decades now.

Whatever JT posters have been bashing about PRC, their ships are getting more frequent visiting the disputed territory. Japan is the landlord in name only who can not get the rent from frequent tenants. Unlikely PRC or Japan will make the first shot as cow boys of old wild- west. Japan desperately wants US to make the first move against PRC for deterrence.

The only solution for that problem is US navy ships have to block the PRC sea lane. If US has concrete commitment for Japan national interest, US should demonstrate with action instead of talks.

If US can successfully block the ships of PRC, it will show Russia, that US can not be underestimated. It is time for US to show as world policeman again. Action speaks louder than talks.

John Kerry made a battle cry of "Bring them on" during the presidential campaign against Bush. Obama should say Beijing as " You have crossed the red line." We will make another orange line for you.

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China with its mass executions, forced repatriations of North Korean refugees (directly supporting and protecting a regime that has Nazi-style prison camps and starves its own people), censorship and weird territorial claims is the last country on Earth that has the right to mention modern Germany as an example in any way. We Europeans had to make many compromises and that's why we live more or less peacefully together. Germany even lost one third of its former territory to Poland and Russia after the war, and we settled this.

Gee, Japan's policy towards its neighbours are at its worst, sure. I deeply despise the attitude towards South Korea in particular, but when I read this Chinese nonsense over nothing at all, sometimes I get Abe's provocateur attitude. Even though I'd never support it in any way.

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China is acting like a hypocrite on this issue as China's past is also deplorable. One must go forward and not get sunk into the past. We could look back 300 years at this and that and then 500 years and 1000 years and it will never stop. All these fools in the world have no idea what they are doing. Just power politics--feed the people all this nonsense to get them worked up and then they support those politicians who then make more money.

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So, Abs's only response is to state Japan needs a stronger military. Spoken like a true diplomat, NOT! Abe and the j-gov need to take a more mature approach instead of just relying on military strength, which will mean nothing in the event of war. China will swat Japan like a fly, even with the backing of the US.

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“On the two issues of principle, history and territory, there is no room for compromise,”

HIstory: meh. When China comes clean with to its own school kids about Mao, then, yeah, they'll have some ground upon which to criticize Japan's idiot revisionist lies to Japan's children.

Not one day before.

As for territory, well, because China has NO CLAIM on the Senkakus (and I mean NO CLAIM), China is, in a way, correct.

There is no room for compromise. ;)

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No compromise on either side equals no solution for both sides. Both sides often mention that peace should be maintained at all costs...but is there such a thing as an 'uncompromising peace'?

Get it together East Asia!

There are no winners here. Its propaganda on all sides....and there is no such a thing as 'the right propaganda'.

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Like I said, cannot go 2, 3 days without Chinese government moaning about Japan.

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China's propaganda failed with the Uighurs and it failed with its neighbors. The fact is, you only need to see the arms race going on right now in Asia to realize that no one buys China's propaganda.

Other than the whole world buying China's propaganda regarding Japan, which was my original point.

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China is acting like a hypocrite on this issue as China's past is also deplorable.

While this is true, the problem is that Japan keeps trying to whitewash their own history. If they would just let things sit as they are, there would be nothing for the Chinese to whine about. But the Japanese keep provoking them by trying to whitewash history, and praying to war criminals. China is most definitely hypocritical, but the Japanese do this to themselves.

It's like if you have a dog chained up in the back yard, and it's sleeping, then you start poking it with a stick. Of course it is going to bark and try to bite you. It's the nature of the dog. You would expect the person poking the dog to be a little more mature though.

If Japan were a little more mature on the matter, the Chinese would have nothing to whine about. We all expect this from the Chinese, but we expect a little more from the Japanese. Unfortunately the Japanese have been acting childish themselves on the matter.

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For a million F's sake . . . . . . .

STOP using HISTORY as an excuse! WW2 is OVER. GET OVER IT!

China is ONLY doing this not because of history but because of natural resources! The island of Senkaku is believed to have a generous amount of oil. It will do everything to get their hands on the island. China is preparing for war while you anti-Japan activists have been whining for Japan's past .You are all concerned in the past history while you neglect the things that are really happening today.

WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP!

China prepares for war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_2723614853&feature=iv&src_vid=CfIvBf6W_f0&v=WqKOHLTUCTc

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STOP using HISTORY as an excuse! WW2 is OVER. GET OVER IT!

China is ONLY doing this not because of history but because of natural resources!

While you're probably right, the Chinese couldn't do it if the Japanese didn't keep feeding them ammo by trying to whitewash history, and praying to war criminals.

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Beware China like beware dog bark and bite

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@Strangerland; The PRC is a single-party state governed by the Communist Party, with its seat of government in the capital city of Beijing.[

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'While you're probably right, the Chinese couldn't do it if the Japanese didn't keep feeding them ammo by trying to whitewash history, and praying to war criminals.'

I think it's pretty fair to say that the Japanese rightwing is despised by most Chinese but loved by the CCP overlords. These nutters are geese which keep on laying. Then again, I doubt that this propaganda offensive will stop anyhow but it's tragic to see that many in the Japanese government and public broadcasting allow these arguments not to be dismissed as straw man attacks.

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China takes three cards and folds.

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I think it's pretty fair to say that the Japanese rightwing is despised by most Chinese but loved by the CCP overlords. These nutters are geese which keep on laying. Then again, I doubt that this propaganda offensive will stop

I agree. But at least if the Japanese are not feeding them ammo, they will have to either keep bleating on about the same things ad infinitum, make up new things, or shut up. None of which will do their cause much good.

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China has an obsessive compulsive disorder when it comes of dominance and expansionism, along with hate towards everyone in the region! These leaders of China are sick bastrds!

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I don't for a minute believe China are winning a Propaganda War with Japan.

Some of their imbedded arguments about a collection of Japanese official's propensity for revisionism is on the mark, but that is a common sentiment held by many more people than just the Chinese. Shinzo Abe's visits to Yasukuni likewise are commonly regarded as distasteful and insensitive. China have shone a torch on that, but are by no means breaking new ground.

China's desire to expand territorially has, from what I have seen, virtually no support, and their efforts to justify why they want to do this have only alarmed the countries of the region and the world more broadly. I believe the only people they have convinced of this is their domestic 'constituency'.

Making your neighbours wary, and distrustful of your motives/intentions, does not a successful propaganda campaign make.

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Clearly, China is ignoring Japan's heed. This is actually a significant comment by Wang Yi.

He's basically saying since Japan is unwilling to acknowledge history and compromise on the disputed territory, then China from this point onward will not compromise on territory and history either.

Meaning, China will step up the effort to hammer Japan on these issues continuously and indefinitely. And most probably on an international platform since this is announced by Wang Yi. Unfortunately, the soured relationship between China and Japan will only get worse from this point forward. The Chinese are making it clear, you are dead to them until some Japan PM kneel down and kisses the cement in front of the dead in Nanjing's memorial and get rid of those war criminals in your "national" shrine and enact a law on admitting war crime against sex slave aka comfort women.

All these apology, no apology, revising apology and blaming US for not supporting you are child's play. Its been done and ridiculed on a very public and international stage. At least show your truth remorse by enacting REAL LAWS and ACTIONS, maybe the rest of the world will slowly get on your side. Otherwise, China and Korea will only get stronger and more united against Japan. Not including the Russians who's not too happy with Japan's stance on Crimea at this moment. Japan honestly has no local friends in East Asia right now. That's not good for an island nation.

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I don't for a minute believe China are winning a Propaganda War with Japan.

It doesn't matter whether or not you believe it. Read the reports in the foreign news when China puts out their propaganda about Japan. The articles do not shoot down the Chinese opinions. On a psychological level, the more people read these articles, that do not provide counter arguments to the Chinese opinions, the more people subconsciously become swayed to the arguments given in the article. That's exactly how propaganda works.

Propaganda is not an on/off switch. One article doesn't sway the people. It's a constant barrage over time. When the propaganda is directed inwards at the people of the country whose government is putting out the propaganda, the government can lie, and get people to believe the lies. When it's outward, at other countries, if they include lies, then they will get called on these lies. The problem for the Japanese is that the propaganda that the Chinese are putting out isn't based on lies, it's based on the ammunition that the Japanese keep feeding them. And since it's truth, they can keep pumping it out over and over and over, and people will begin to go to the Chinese side. Which is why the Chinese are winning the propaganda war. Japan is not making any attacks, it is on the defensive, trying to defend its actions, and 'explain' what they meant when they said ____. As long as Japan is on the defensive, they are losing.

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"Positive views of China and India have fallen sharply around the world over the last year, a new 25-country poll for BBC World Service indicates."

-BBC

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/2013%20Country%20Rating%20Poll.pdf

China is winning a propaganda war? Intrernationally NOT!

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You are confusing issues. Overall China's opinion may have fallen, I don't doubt that. Everyone knows they are hysteric with their head up their a$$e$, but I am not speaking of China's view overall, I am speaking of the propaganda war between Japan and China, regarding Japan's image. This is entirely different from the world opinion on China's image. And there is no doubt whatsoever Japan is losing the propaganda war to China when it comes to Japan's image.

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We are going further and further away from a bright future.

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Who cares what illegitimate Chinese regime says?

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Praying for criminals? How do you know that dear strangerland? Have you gone to this temple with those authorities and listened to their prayers? I wonder what is the problem with those anti-japanese guys who still inssist on this story.

The thing that I think is funny about those people who had anti-japanese feelings is that they talk things without even know about the place and its history.

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Praying for criminals? How do you know that dear strangerland? Have you gone to this temple with those authorities and listened to their prayers? I wonder what is the problem with those anti-japanese guys who still inssist on this story.

If you are praying for the souls of the dead at a shrine dedicated to the whitewashing of history, in which the souls of war criminals interned, you cannot pretend that your prayer was 'let the souls of our war dead rest in peace - all except the war criminals that is. Don't let those ones rest in peace'.

The only people who would try to pretend that the war criminals are not included in the prayers are those who are stupid enough to be duped by the same types of lies. Anyone with a hint of intelligence knows it for what it is.

The thing that I think is funny about those people who had anti-japanese feelings is that they talk things without even know about the place and its history.

A) I assume this is directed at me - I am most definitely not anti-Japanese. I love Japan, and I love the Japanese. I am anti-whitewashing. It doesn't benefit anyone, Japanese or other. B) I've been to Yasukuni. Beautiful shrine. Too bad it's such a horrible place.

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Yes Mitsuo you are correct on that. People do not know what is going on with the prayers at all and they just simplify it to make it look like they are praying to war criminals. It is not only war criminals who are enshrined on this place but the whole lot of soldiers who staked their life. There is no separation between good and bad for them as they have passed into 'heaven'. Duality creates differences in thought and lends others to judge. Religion is just religion and it has its own world of beliefs. Let others believe as they like. Whether their prayers are sincere or not will never be known to us. Just leave all this religious stuff to the religious world.

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I guess is that if Japan decides to turn its own plutonium stock into bombs then there will be compromises everywhere from China.

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It is not only war criminals who are enshrined on this place but the whole lot of soldiers who staked their life. There is no separation between good and bad for them as they have passed into 'heaven'.

Exactly. There is no differentiating them, and therefore the politicians are praying for all the souls, including the war criminals. Therefore the politicians are praying for the souls of war criminals.

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yes they are praying for the war criminals too but the concept in Japan is that they are not war criminals any more once they die. Their past is gone and now they are beyond. It is all belief stuff and then everyone sticks their heads into this mess. Just leave all the religious stuff out of it.

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yes they are praying for the war criminals too but the concept in Japan is that they are not war criminals any more once they die.

That shows complete disrespect to the countries who were victims of the crimes perpetuated by these war criminals. Which is why they are so angry when the politicians pray to the souls of the war criminals. Of course Japanese politicians have the right to do whatever they want, but like it or not, they also pay the price for their actions. And the price for praying for the souls of war criminals is that the neighbors get angry, and have ammo to use in their propaganda war against the Japanese.

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Neither countries are willing to back down. From what I see, the more China stays attached to the issues, the worse China looks because how corrupted the government is. It's very easy for Japan to ignore China and laugh at their faces. China might as well be talking to the wall. It's a pity but I think it's going to never get better any time soon.

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““On the two issues of principle, history and territory, there is no room for compromise,” Wang’s statement is merely political and nationalistic rhetoric tailored for domestic and international audiences.

However, there are some positive signs indicate the icy relations thaw a little between Japan and China amid routine nationalistic rhetoric from both sides. Case in point, Abe seemingly deviates from his trademarked nationalistic bigmouth. (Let Suga do the talking); in the meantime, the Chinese regime has been trying to take Washington’s advice by keeping a lid on remote rocks in East China Sea. (The frequency that the Chinese coastguard ships patrol Senkaku Islands has been reduced in recent month.)

Hopefully, China and Japan will bypass its terrestrial dispute, continuing making headway to build mutual trust.

This world does not need wars. For Japan, a country that has successfully logged 69 years with peace, and prosperity, it would be foolish to let that go down the drain just because of a tiny blimp on the map. Further, Japan may not get its ally’s support in order to win given the newly developments in Europe.

Prudence and pragmatism are way better than hot air inflating by those familiar nationalists.

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And yet Japan are one of the countries which China needs to thank for its economic growth. Without Japanese investment they would be a irrelevant country :)

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@KariHaruka "Without Japanese investment they would be a irrelevant country :)"

Since 1894, Japan killed millions Chinese, destroyed million Chinese homes, steal Chinese treasures by trillions. Japan should compensate all as a defeated nation, return everything she plundered from China.

Instead of thanking Chinese people for generosity to forgive Japan, Japan asks China to thank her? for what? for forgetting history, for keeping guilty money? for using the money that Chinese people rightfully deserve to bribe other nations against China?

Let us see who would be irrelevant.

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This is why Obama needs to stand up to Russia. China is watching as America fails to come to the aid of a nation in need. Japan may be an ally, but with Obama in power can Japan count on the US to help it? China sees a short window of opportunity - it knows the US people will smarten up and elect a Republican in 2016. At the same time, Chinese money is pouring into SuperPACS to help Democrat candidates, as they know such politicians weaken the US, and thus Japan.

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I've read every single comment on this subject and I can't help thinking that most of you and the politicians are stuck in the past. Move on... the war was nearly 70 years ago. Is there a nation on this planet that has not committed atrocities? Surely evolution should be about advancement and not clinging on to what we were before. as a species are we not in search of peace and harmony? Forget the war/s. All of them. If you can't do that then learn from them and think of them as big mistakes. WAR IS HATRED! War will always create monsters from mild mannered humans.

This is not about forgiveness.. the war junkies were generations before us. Nobody should suffer the sins of the fathers.

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I've read every single comment on this subject and I can't help thinking that most of you and the politicians are stuck in the past. Move on... the war was nearly 70 years ago. Is there a nation on this planet that has not committed atrocities? Exactly. And the point is, China is committing atrocities right now and has been doing so ever since Mao took over. And yet they try to play the victim card about their past, where they might have a point and can easily create sympathy, considering the fact Japan's idiot nationalists still deny everything.

Basically the only thing Japan has to do is make a statement and admit the facts (and who cares if they already did in this or that way -- just make one more), then the Chinese can wait and see public opinion change.

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Basically the only thing Japan has to do is make a statement and admit the facts (and who cares if they already did in this or that way -- just make one more), then the Chinese can wait and see public opinion change.

So true. It would be amazingly simple to kill the problem from the Japanese side. Yet pride will prevent that from happening any time soon, if ever.

The Japanese have this idea that by admitting they were wrong in the past, children cannot have pride for their country. Of course this is just ignorance considering Japan has 70 years worth of post-war history to be proud of, and also ignorance considering there are many countries in the world with a shameful past, yet have admitted their wrongs and are now proud of their country. But try explaining that logic to a right-winger.

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@Strangerland

Love the way you play fast and loose with your prepositions. I assume you would concur that there is a great difference between "pray to" and "pray for". Yet you repeatedly switch back and forth between the two as if they mean the same thing.

I think in the Shinto religion (and I'm certainly not an expert) neither phrase fully captures what is actually going on when a person clasps his hands and bows before a grave.

But I think you do know very well that people are not "praying to" war criminals.

Its fine to hate Japan if that's your thing, but at least try to be reasonable.

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I assume you would concur that there is a great difference between "pray to" and "pray for". Yet you repeatedly switch back and forth between the two as if they mean the same thing.

No I would not concur, and they are essentially the same thing.

Its fine to hate Japan if that's your thing, but at least try to be reasonable.

What are you talking about? I love Japan. If I didn't, I wouldn't have dedicated 16 years to the country. I have the financial means to be able to live pretty much anywhere I want in the world, and I choose to live in this country because of my love for it.

Don't mistake criticism of mistakes for hatred. It's a logical fallacy. I criticize the government of my home country to, and yet I'm fiercely nationalistic.

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No I would not concur, and they are essentially the same thing.

Then your primary school teachers failed you miserably.

I love Japan.

I never said you didn't. Assuming your teachers taught you what "if" and general "you" mean, you would understand the point I was attempting to make.

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Then your primary school teachers failed you miserably.

For not teaching me religion? I'd rather say they were very successful.

But I'll state it a different way. Whether they are praying to, or praying for, the net result is the same, it makes their neighbors angry, and they have to pay the price for that, whether they like it or not.

I never said you didn't. Assuming your teachers taught you what "if" and general "you" mean, you would understand the point I was attempting to make.

Say what? You said "Its fine to hate Japan if that's your thing, but at least try to be reasonable." The 'if' in question wasn't on whether I hated Japan or not, it was whether or not hatred of Japan was my thing. Your comment was very clearly directed at me by the 'at least try to be reasonable'. Take out the 'if', and you get 'it's fine to hate Japan, but at least try to be reasonable'. Who is that directed at if not me, in a post in response to me.

Don't play me for stupid, it only shows you to be the type of person who would be swayed by that type of argument, and that doesn't say much for one's intelligence.

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Readers, please stop bickering. Focus your comments on what is in the story and not at each other.

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"On the two issues of principle, history and territory, there is no room for compromise," Foreign Minister Wang Yi told reporters on the sidelines of China’s annual parliament.

History and Senkakus are totally unrelated.

What will happen, if there is no room for compromise? Should Japan take the words Declaration of War?

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@CH3CHO

There is nothing can be separated from history, especially Senkakus/DiaoYu.

The war has been already started by Noda when he "nationalized" the Islands.

Having said that, China doesn't want a war with Japan. Japan is neighbour, China and Japan should be friendly with each other, collaborate with each other. That is what Wan Yi said and that is what Chinese people want to see. This report ignored the basic fact, exaggerated the dispute.

No compromise doesn't mean a war. All China wants is for Abe to recognize the dispute. Only then Japan and China can have a summit and work together to resolve the problem. To recognize the dispute is the first step to rebuild trust.

To ask China to forget Senkakus/DiaoYU, that is daydream. There is no compromise on that.

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mulan2

PRC can easily have the dispute recognized INTERNATIONALLY by simply fowarding a case to ICJ and it requires NO involvement with Japan so I wonder why PRC doesn't go that route which is much more easier and peaceful then the present on going harassment?

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@SamuraiBlue

How many disputes can be resolved by ICJ? Did Japan got to ICJ instead of "nationalize" them?

China harassed Japan? What is "nationalization" then?

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unfortunately history and the senkakus are not unrelated cause china's claim to them is historical. japan has the superior legal claim which is why china will not go to the ICJ.

the reason china (and korea for that matter) keep bringing up WWII atrocities is that japan is dammed if they recognize them and dammed if they don't. japan has apologized and essentially given them tons of money so they could develop their economies but do they acknowledge that? no. do they show any appreciation? no. they will just continue rubbing japan's nose in it one way or another for their own political gain. after all, can't change history.

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@fds

Which school did you got to and who were your teachers?

Japan had no legal claim, has no legal claim and will have no legal claim.

Japan gave China money? what a joke.

1894, Japan plundered China money worthy 7 years Japan GDP. Based on that money, Japan developed into imperialism nation and was destroyed by it.

Japan owes China $trillion dollars. Return them to Chinese people to show real apology.

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the reason china (and korea for that matter) keep bringing up WWII atrocities is that japan is dammed if they recognize them and dammed if they don't.

The Chinese have only whined in reaction to Japanese attempts to whitewash history, to visits to Yasukuni, and to the nationalization of the senkakus. During periods when the Japanese haven't done any of these, he whining has stopped. So it's not a matter of damned if you do damned if you don't, it's a matter of damned if you don't.

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mulan2: All you people ever whine about is how tiny places have wronged you. "China is never wrong, China is always right. blah blah vlah" If Half the stuff didnt go down in history the way it did, you would have no more treasure, no more money no more artifacts. You know why? Because it would have burned with all the educated classes eradicated by not Japan, but by China

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Mulan2.

I agree what happened to the 'Middle Kingdom' the most powerful and influential Empire in human history?

Can't blame it all on outside influences.

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“Only by making a clean break with the past and stop going back on one’s own words can the relationship emerge from the current impasse and have a future,” Wang said

Now this I kind of agree with (though as always with the Chinese government you have to be cautious about taking them at face value). Abe and his cronies are really doing a disservice to the peaceful, ordinary people of Japan with his revisionism.

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mulan2: not that you care, but that in no way "clearly demonstrated my ignorance." I have in fact encountered such accusatory claims from Chinese students, many whom I am friends with, not only in Prestigious Higher Education Institutions in Japan, but in the United States and Asia as well.

China did not burn "some books" I suggest you read up a bit more on that topic - overseas perhaps, probably the best place to study China from a historic standpoint. This is simply because you know, the records still exist to be studied.

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Actually it is the war criminals who need the prayers more than anyone else. Just think about it. From a Christian perspective we do not supposed to judge and we should love even our enemies/foes. Prayer is love and out of anything to do some good it would be done by prayer. Nothing wrong can come from this. Politicians are meddling in areas that they have no idea about and then the people get pulled into this other world. But this is too much to expect from the world and it will never happen during my time.

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mulan2Mar. 10, 2014 - 11:36AM JST

No compromise doesn't mean a war. All China wants is for Abe to recognize the dispute. Only then Japan and China can have a summit and work together to resolve the problem. To recognize the dispute is the first step to rebuild trust.

If China wants Japan to recognize "dispute", meet Abe and say, "please recognize the dispute." Then, Japan may consider the issue. Japan has no interest what so ever to recognize the dispute to have the "privilege" to talk with Xi for possible loss of Senkakus. If China wants Senkakus, just file a lawsuit at ICJ to show the world what good claim it has.

To ask China to forget Senkakus/DiaoYU, that is daydream. There is no compromise on that.

It is not a daydream. It is reality. When Japanese PM Tanaka met Chinese Premier Zhou in 1972, Tanaka asked Zhou his idea about Senkakus which were under Japanese occupation at the time. Zhou answered he did not want to talk about Senkakus. Since he had nothing to complain about Japanese occupation of Senkakus, and since the China Japan joint communique of 1972 had the clause of mutual respect of territory, Senkakus are undisputedly Japanese territory. If China wants to claim Senkakus, it must deny Zhou first.

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Strangerland is rightly concerned about the propaganda war with China. However, giving up religious freedom to win that battle makes no sense. Telling Japanese not to visit a Japanese shrine in Japan offers a terrifying window into Chinese efforts to strangulate religion, even extraterritorially. Similarly, they told Obama not to visit the Dalai Lama recently. Did Obama obey? Of course not. Abe said that he went to Yasukuni to pray for peace. People need to learn to respect that and to stop believing Chinese propaganda! I hope Abe visits Yasukuni everyday until China finds something else to go whining about. The narrative that the Senkaku belong to China is just another part of the propaganda machine.

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@CH3CHO

Why would Tanaka ask Zhou about Senkakus/DiaoYu if there is no dispute? Did Tanaka asked you about it?

Zhou was a Chinese, a premier of China. Zhou told Tanaka that Japan-China relationship is more important and Japan should not let the dispute to delay the normalization. That was the reason why Zhou suggested not to talk about it at the time and Tanaka got it.

The fact is that Tanaka was quite happy with the way he compromise it with Zhou. He used the case when he gave lectures to Japanese junior politicians.

CH3CHO, you can lie to the world but not all Japanese are fools as you had hoped.

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mulan2Mar. 10, 2014 - 09:26PM JST

Zhou told Tanaka that Japan-China relationship is more important and Japan should not let the dispute to delay the normalization. That was the reason why Zhou suggested not to talk about it at the time and Tanaka got it.

That is called a compromise. China acquiesced Japanese sovereignty of Senkakus for the sake of normalization.

Why would Tanaka ask Zhou about Senkakus/DiaoYu if there is no dispute?

There was. But since Premier Zhou compromised, there is no dispute any more. I think Premier Zhou is one of the greatest world leaders in the last century. Present Chinese should not undermine his wisdom for the sake of the small islands.

Here is a bonus deal for China for the friendship between China and Japan. If China can prove at ICJ its effective control of Senkakus before 1895 when Japan incorporated them, Japan is happy to concede the islands to China.

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@mulan

if japan has no legal claim then china should go to ICJ and prove china's legal claim instead of trying to bully japan into giving up theirs.

by MOF accounts:

Official Development Assistance (ODA) to China began in 1979 and from that time to the present, approximately 3.1331 trillion yen in loan aid (yen loans), 145.7 billion yen in grant aid, and 144.6 billion yen in technical cooperation have been implemented. i understand that they are mostly loans but will china ever pay them back? i doubt it since they don't respect the rule of law.

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I am Japanese. Here is a stupid Japanese' story. We have moral education at a elementary and junior high school in Japan. I had been taught at school that Japanese did a wholescale slaughter in WW2. Teachers showed many pictures to us, in which, we saw many curel pictures of the dead. I was so shocked and scared to see those. I could not understand how come we Japanese could do such a cruel thing. I had been told at school that we did wrong things especially to Koreans and Chinese. There was a ecuational center called, peace Osaka in my town. There were many cruel pictures which had been told that Japan did. But, recently, many pictures proved to be false, many pictures proved to be false. so, those pictures which were proved to be false were removed. funny points are here. The pictures which we saw and thought that those were too cruel were the pictures Chinese did. It's very difficult for me to explain in English. I mean, china had plotted to create hatred for Japan and made those pictures. so, they used those dead people's pictures and let everyone think that Japanese did. But, for elementary school students, how come can we ascertain that the actors are Japanese or not. Of course,I think we(Japanese) did many wrong things in WW2. We must not forget about that. But, there were some mistakes. We accepted all history and what Koreand and Chinese said. We took it for granted because we did wrong things. But, why has the number of the people Japanese army killed in the Nanjing Massacre been increasing? Why was the number we killed more than the number they had actually lived at that time? we did apologized to those counties for what we did in WW2 so many times. Do you know how much money we compensated to them? Do we have to compensate to them forever? again , we admit that we did wrong things in WW2 but, we came to know the real truth. we cannot tolerate those frame ups including Korean's comfort wowen.

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Well Japan. If there is no room for compromise then don't even bother talking to them.

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Look. As an Australian I can say that horrible acts of cruelty were conducted on every side of the war. Japan, yes had committed some atrocious acts during this time, but so did china, Russia, USA, England and the list goes on. China is one to talk about having no room to negotiate on some insignificant, uninhabited islands in the China sea, but lets ask the Tibetans if they agree that China is without sin?? Looks as though the sneaky soon-to-be super power China is throwing rocks while living in a glass house. To all the Japanese readers out there, you need to stop apologising over and over and over again for things in the past. This makes you look weak. You are a strong nation and a strong race. Please do not keep belittling yourselves due to international political pressure. Regardless of your history, I love this country and it's people. I can't wait to move to Japan in the near future!

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What a hypocritical statements. You acknowledge that the Japanese did wrong things, but you do not believe photos of the deceased. I don't know what about the removed picture,but i want you know that war is cruel,Japan Army is cruel,Unit 731 is cruel.Do you think that Japan would merciful killing Chinese or Korean ? What are wrong things that you admit?

I am Japanese. Here is a stupid Japanese' story. We have moral education at a elementary and junior high school in Japan. I had been taught at school that Japanese did a wholescale slaughter in WW2. Teachers showed many pictures to us, in which, we saw many curel pictures of the dead. I was so shocked and scared to see those. I could not understand how come we Japanese could do such a cruel thing. I had been told at school that we did wrong things especially to Koreans and Chinese. There was a ecuational center called, peace Osaka in my town. There were many cruel pictures which had been told that Japan did. But, recently, many pictures proved to be false, many pictures proved to be false. so, those pictures which were proved to be false were removed. funny points are here. The pictures which we saw and thought that those were too cruel were the pictures Chinese did. It's very difficult for me to explain in English. I mean, china had plotted to create hatred for Japan and made those pictures. so, they used those dead people's pictures and let everyone think that Japanese did. But, for elementary school students, how come can we ascertain that the actors are Japanese or not. Of course,I think we(Japanese) did many wrong things in WW2. We must not forget about that. But, there were some mistakes. We accepted all history and what Koreand and Chinese said. We took it for granted because we did wrong things. But, why has the number of the people Japanese army killed in the Nanjing Massacre been increasing? Why was the number we killed more than the number they had actually lived at that time? we did apologized to those counties for what we did in WW2 so many times. Do you know how much money we compensated to them? Do we have to compensate to them forever? again , we admit that we did wrong things in WW2 but, we came to know the real truth. we cannot tolerate those frame ups including Korean's comfort wowen.

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More lies coming from a country that is perfect in lies.

China will never change unless it's people rise up against the government.

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Why wright 18 months ago? Just say since they got aircraft carries.

Ties only went bad after china got a aircraft Carrier and had it working.

Expect ties with the whole west to go to cold war "if not worse then the cold war days" once there on par "I can see a disaster in the making".

With power comes evil. They are already communist that are evil and we can already see each time they get 2 a point, they have taken the step to war each time.

Its beyond clear what is taking place, so know history books better have "lest we forget" how did we make such a big mistake, as we see all and the things there building "that must be for a very big war".

Building a 5,000 mile long under ground tunnel system that can more troops forward in all direction and tanks and is attack proof and even nuclear proof, is proof of there future plans. They can move mass troops around under ground in nuclear proof tunnels.

Do people understand there are things that can stop nuclear bombs from blowing up. They could very easily come up with a new way to do this, meaning a invasion of another country doable.

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Well then how are Japan and China closer than ever when China and Japan can't get over this?

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The Chinese are also pragmatists. They know China's ascent will not continue without Western complicity. No matter how successful the Chinese government is in rebalancing the economy toward domestic consumption, exports to Western markets, which have fueled the economic expansion since few decades ago, will determine growth rates for decades to come. Importantly, China has always productively engaged with other societies from Indian Buddhism to American capital markets, absorbing new influences and applying them in Chinese contexts. It has also learned from the thirty years of economic and social disaster. In China, there is no desire, even among reactionary military factions, to become divorced from global forces of progress.

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