Chinese ships warn Japan SDF planes to leave airspace near Senkakus

Japan needs to build a military base on one of the islands, stations ships, helicopters and armed units there.

And project force from there!

THAT is the only measure the Communist Chinese will understand and respect!!

Anything short of that will be viewed as weakness by the Communist Chinese!!

Complaints through “diplomatic channels” to China are at best dropped straight in the bin and at worst seen as proof of the success of whatever they have been up to and strengths their intent to keep doing it. Alternative means need to be employed.

These couple of Islands are nearer to China : if looked at under water.

Everyone needs to be very, very careful. In today's environment a war could break out over one of these islands.

These couple of Islands are nearer to China 

Actually those islands are nearer to the Ishigaki island of Japan than China.

These couple of Islands are nearer to China : if looked at under water.

Alaska is closer to Russia and Canada but it is still part of the United States. The Senkakus, like various other pieces of land and sea, do not belong to China just because China says so.

I don’t understand why Japan has been keeping the disputed islands uninhabited when they could have built a military base there years ago. Think what would happen if some shipwrecked Chinese “fishermen” landed on the islands started living there?

Everyone needs to be very, very careful. In today's environment a war could break out over one of these islands.

I really doubt it. Look at today's China. Its economy gets worse now than ever. giant real estate aggravating, depopulation, worse aging population, higher unemployment rate for young people, etc. It seems China can't afford to make new war. Yes, China is always provoking Japan, Taiwan to try to find a start. They will not be trapped by China way. It seems China missed a good timing to start war against Japan, Taiwan. Good timing for China would be when Senkakus were nationalized by Japan in 2012 or earthquake hit Japan in 2011. At that time China was very good on its economy and almost everything.

It's hard to understand the stubbornness of Japan as using the logic of the UNCLOS SCSs ruling Senkaku/Diaoyu are features and not islands. Their value is now that of a an abandoned bonito flakes factory.

China wants to hit 1000 "demands" against Japan and call that "proof" they tried not to use violence. Japan can play that game too - every time a Chinese plane or ship comes withing the EEZ, file a formal complaint with the UN and China.

China is the Israel of Asia … it goes by its own rules and ignores international law.

China is NOT the Israel of Asia.China's Land Is Chinese. Not Stolen From Neighboiring Countries as Israel has Stolen Land from Palestine.

China's economy is going through some tough times, the best way to improve a capitalistic economy is through war. Once the first shots are fired and troops deployed to land on the Senkakus, the next move by China will be a blockade of Taiwan, followed by a war of attrition. Since the USA relies on China for all of its manufactured goods, Bidens only response will be symbolic and ineffective, as the Chinese are huge backers of the American Democratic party and he knows better than to bite the hand that feeds him.

Tough times indeed.

IMF 2024 Projected Real GDP Growth

China 4.6%

United States 2.1%

Japan 0.9%

Yes but per capita China is way behind and will never be able to bridge the gap. If China had not suddenly veered towards righting past wrongs and focused on its economy things would be different. Now China’s only ally is a withering country full of alcoholics.

These couple of Islands are nearer to China : if looked at under water.

@Stephen Chin So what's your position on China's claim on the Spratly Islands, positioned right next to the Philippines (even if you look underwater)?

 Bidens only response will be symbolic and ineffective

Closing the Straits of Malacca to Chinese oil imports would leave them with about a 40 day supply. That is far from symbolic but would be very effective, and Zhongnanhai knows this.

So why doesn't Japan do it like the Philippines did?

Why don't all counterclaimants to China's claims do it like the Philippines did?

Japan makes it easy for China to claim the Islands, simply because Japan has no presence on the islands. Build a small base, with a light house and have it permanently manned. Then China can not continue to claim the islands in the same way as long as Japan is physically on them and controlling them through that permanent presence.

If Japan does not build there it is only a matter of time before China does. China has been slowly ratcheting up it"s activities around the islands preparing to one day land on them, with a large fleet in attendance to protect the engineers building on them. Leaving Japan with the only option of attacking Chinese forces to reclaim them. The only way to ensure it does not have to initiate hostilities to regain control is to build on them first and leave the Chinese to initiate hostilities if it dares, which would drag the US into the fight immediately.

Japan's inaction is going to cause it more problems in the long run. If Japan truly believes it has complete ownership of these islands, then building on them to solidify her claim makes complete sense. China wont be happy about it, mostly because it is planing on doing so themselves eventually, and before it tackles Taiwan militarily so as to have missiles to block Japan and the US from assisting Taiwan.

China is NOT the Israel of Asia.China's Land Is Chinese. Not Stolen From Neighboiring Countries as Israel has Stolen Land from Palestine.

Perhaps you should be asking Tibetans that, they will object and call out your error.

These couple of Islands are nearer to China : if looked at under water.

Not relevant to ownership, a completely irrelevant comment.

Why don't all counterclaimants to China's claims do it like the Philippines did?

You want Taiwan to take its counter claim to arbitration?

I guess China should also take its claim to arbitration to gain control from Japan. Although with China ignoring the outcome from the case the Philippines won against them, China would have a hard time making a claim in the first place, as it clearly does not recognize any ruling against it.

Japan as the controlling power of the Islands, needs not make a formal claim, it already has control of them in the eyes of the international community apart from those who claim otherwise.

Peter14

Today 01:25 pm JST

Why don't all counterclaimants to China's claims do it like the Philippines did?

> You want Taiwan to take its counter claim to arbitration?

> I guess China should also take its claim to arbitration to gain control from Japan. Although with China ignoring the outcome from the case the Philippines won against them, China would have a hard time making a claim in the first place, as it clearly does not recognize any ruling against it.

> Japan as the controlling power of the Islands, needs not make a formal claim, it already has control of them in the eyes of the international community apart from those who claim otherwise

It's not the same with the Philippines?

Chaos begets chaos, analysts know China's doing their timing calculus on spread of global conflict, proliferation, etc. stemming from US NATO Ukraine Proxy War, that greatly escalated Ukraine's now 10year old Civil War.

Nobody should be surprised at China's escalation, likely to get MUCH worse soon, especially if we stay on failed Biden global destabilization path, which includes massive US militarization of Taiwan exactly like Ukraine.

@Stephen Chin

Today 10:17 am JST

China is NOT the Israel of Asia.China's Land Is Chinese. Not Stolen From Neighboiring Countries as Israel has Stolen Land from Palestine.

I wonder if you know what is actually happening.

China is stealing even economic zones close to other countries, such as Vietnam and Philippines. China is aggressive and they need to be stopped before it escalates.

You are free to comment but if your comment was more realistically than it was worth it. But unfortunately China is doing exact opposite from what you commented.

All wonder, how much of tension with China, whether Senkakus, Taiwan or South China Sea by XI and CCP design?

Greater China's support for NK, Iran and Russia in particular, greater the chaos in Ukraine's 10year old civil war that's massively escalated post Biden and Mid East chaos due to Gaza Genocide now spreading regionally.

Global hotspots/chaos acts to distract, divert US NATO and others from fully supporting allies in Far East. It seems China's carefully laying their escalation path, leveraging their partners present wars & proxy wars to do so.

China smiles and talks economics ad trade while they slowly buy steal your property.

Japan really needs to get serious about this game China is playing with the Senkakus. A physical presence on the islands, and joint patrol with the JCG and USCG in China's face.

Way back when the J-govt allowed US forces to use one of the islands as a live fire bombing training site. If JSDF are not going to build on them, turn the other 2 j-gov owned islands into bombing sites. And if after being warned China still wants to send ships there, well..accidents happen.

It's not the same with the Philippines

Clearly not.

China's doing their timing calculus on spread of global conflict, proliferation, etc. stemming from US NATO Ukraine Proxy War, that greatly escalated Ukraine's now 10year old Civil War.

China's doing their timing calculus on spread of global conflict, proliferation, etc. stemming from Russian invasion of Ukraine, that greatly escalated Ukraine's now 10year old Civil War.

*Corrected it for you.

Nobody should be surprised at China's escalation, likely to get MUCH worse soon, especially if we stay on failed Biden global destabilization path, which includes massive US militarization of Taiwan exactly like Ukraine.

Now your just making stuff up. US policy for all presidents is to arm Taiwan to defend its independence. No different under current US administration. Ukraine is asking for arms and is getting them so they can defend against Russia's invasion. The arms have come from about 40 different nations.

Cant blame Russia can you. So without using the truth, you twist information and add Russian and Chinese propaganda to round it off. So predictable.

Peter14

Today 03:45 pm JST

It's not the same with the Philippines

> Clearly not.

Well there you go control is not clear

Whats not clear?

China illegally encroaching on Philippine EEZ and interfering with Philippines fishermen, military boats and aircraft in Philippines territory. China has illegally built bases in Philippines territory.

China is trying to intimidate Japan in Japanese controlled territory, interfering with fishermen, JCG vessels and Japanese aircraft in Japanese territory. Again it is illegal, but they do it anyway.

Japan controls the Senkaku islands, China wants them.

China has occupied Philippines territory, because it wants it.

Is that clearer for you to understand?

Escalation with China will continue given Biden's Global Destabilization Policy's firmly in place for 2024.

Real question's will China move aggressively in near term in far east, whether Senkakus or Taiwan or wait for outcome of Nov. US elections. I suspect the latter, why?

China and Russia clearly have strong interest in seeing Mid-East tensions continue to escalate. As damage to Biden with loss of US Muslim & Youth Vote, mainly to 3rd parties or simply sitting out rather than to Trump, will easily swing the election in Trumps favor.

Mid-East ongoing tension also damages EU Pol's for same reasons, plus real economic & inflation damage.

Call it China and Russia's 2024 equivalent of the Deep State's Hunter Biden Laptop Suppression in 2020, only it's their Mid-East proxies being led by Iran doing so.

Peter14

Today 04:02 pm JST

Whats not clear?

> China illegally encroaching on Philippine EEZ and interfering with Philippines fishermen, military boats and aircraft in Philippines territory. China has illegally built bases in Philippines territory.

> China is trying to intimidate Japan in Japanese controlled territory, interfering with fishermen, JCG vessels and Japanese aircraft in Japanese territory. Again it is illegal, but they do it anyway.

> Japan controls the Senkaku islands, China wants them.

> China has occupied Philippines territory, because it wants it.

> Is that clearer for you to understand?

You're the one who says the Philippines is clearly not in control of the disputed territories

Clearly

you said

ianToday  04:14 pm JST

Peter14

Today 04:02 pm JST

Whats not clear?

China illegally encroaching on Philippine EEZ and interfering with Philippines fishermen, military boats and aircraft in Philippines territory. China has illegally built bases in Philippines territory.*

China is trying to intimidate Japan in Japanese controlled territory, interfering with fishermen, JCG vessels and Japanese aircraft in Japanese territory. Again it is illegal, but they do it anyway.*

Japan controls the Senkaku islands, China wants them.*

China has occupied Philippines territory, because it wants it.*

Is that clearer for you to understand?*

You're the one who says the Philippines is clearly not in control of the disputed territories

Safe to Assume US voters in PI or of Filipino heritage are none too pleased with Biden's China appeasement strategy, while Biden's knee deep in Ukraine's 10yr old civil war and Mid-East Chaos spreading like wildfire, including US domestic terror risk thru the ROOF!

You're the one who says the Philippines is clearly not in control of the disputed territories

Philippines is no match for China's maritime militia or navy. China controls Philippines territory illegally. Is is not disputed territory. It is Philippines territory that China wants but has no legitimate claim to.

Safe to Assume US voters in PI or of Filipino heritage are none too pleased with Biden's China appeasement strategy,

Safe to assume your incorrect, as again your just making stuff up. Biden is not appeasing anyone, but you better say he is to make Trump look better. Trump cant be better he is a criminal and an idiot who appeased Kim and Putin and Erdogan, and called Xi a good friend. Dont tell the Trump fans that they might get upset.

Japan is not building anything bigger than a da-kine pea in the Tiao Yu Tai islands precisely because Tokyo knows it doesn't belong to Nippon but to Ilan township of Taiwan, ROC.

Peter14Today  04:33 pm JST

Safe to Assume US voters in PI or of Filipino heritage are none too pleased with Biden's China appeasement strategy,

Safe to assume your incorrect, as again your just making stuff up. Biden is not appeasing anyone, but you better say he is to make Trump look better.

Well, lots of Filipino's I know beg to disagree, they feel US completely disengaged, distracted with other hotspots, letting China run roughshod of them = THEIR Biden Support Dropping FAST

China should probably focus their energy on their economy which just imploded. I was recently in China and it is very very bad there. People are extremely depressed and the economic outlook is bleak.

Nibek32Today  05:28 pm JST

China should probably focus their energy on their economy which just imploded. I was recently in China and it is very very bad there. People are extremely depressed and the economic outlook is bleak.

Western media, what you expect? For 2023, 5.2% GDP growth, certainly not bleak, as global GDP growth was about half that, much of it due to unsustainable deficit spending by US, Japan and other G-7 countries.

For example, US GDP grew about 3% officially in 2023, yet Govt. deficit spending +7% of GDP, so real economy not growing, just Govt. money printing, ditto Japan, and most of Europe, no real growth, just $ printing press.

But to finish my thought, China's asset markets are NOT good, so people feel this, the foreign money getting out fast, foreign companies de-risking etc. Economic tension.

Thus, Xi & CCP likely need a new national 'catalyst' to inspire their people that's not economic, naturally Taiwan, Senkakus & Other South China Sea areas fit this likely growing narrative inside Chinese halls of power...especially in context of other escalating global chaos making such action far easier for China.

@HopeSpringsEternal

Today 05:53 pm JST

Nibek32Today 05:28 pm JST

China should probably focus their energy on their economy which just imploded. I was recently in China and it is very very bad there. People are extremely depressed and the economic outlook is bleak.

China is known for falsifying and or manipulation of data before sharing with the world. China economic is declining and many people in China are already feeling the impact.

@hopespringeternal

I’m not getting my information from western media. I travel there often for work, and this is the sentiment from my coworkers and observations from how bad things look on the ground. There are lots of businesses closed down due to high unemployment and people not spending. Unemployment is over 30% among recent college grads.

No wonder they are seeing thousands of Chinese crossing the border into Mexico for a chance to actually make a living.

Stephen ChinToday  10:17 am JST

China is NOT the Israel of Asia.China's Land Is Chinese. Not Stolen From Neighboiring Countries as Israel has Stolen Land from Palestine.

Of course not. China only claims the whole China Sea for them and even builds artificial islands for their military.

"Build a small base, with a light house and have it permanently manned.

There are 2 lighthouses on the Senkakus, maintained by the JCG.

"https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/japan-buys-disputed-senkaku-islands-j6b6q3xmxct"

The SDF patrol planes should be escorted by fighter aircraft. Dare China' coast guard ships to try a shot. That'll solve the problem.

Perhaps you should be asking Tibetans that, they will object and call out your error.

Tibetans where Chinese AND Tibetan. They even had Chinese passports. That isn't their complaint.

Tibetans don't like the CCP preventing them from following their religion, their native language, behaving like a free people and sharing their religion around the world.

I lived in a Tibetan Monastery in Nepal with their leader in exile from China. There were many Tibetan monks rotating through there. We would speak on all sorts of subjects. They work on translating their holy texts into as many other languages as possible so the world can learn about Buddhism. I didn't go look up with "official" complaints. This is all from direct conversations. They were proud Chinese+Tibetans.

Again, they are definitely, Chinese, but with a different culture that they'd like the share.

One of the funniest conversations was that I'd never seen a yak. I showed them photos of similar animals from my home country that I'd taken. Elk and Moose,were odd to them, especially showing how large they were next to cars and trucks.

Japan exacerbates the situation by declining to exercise its territorial rights to the island. It could, for example, establish a WeatherStation on the Island. It could even release its Fukushima water discharges on the island to encourage flora and fauna development which could lead to commercial agriculture endeavors. In other words act like you own the Island which you claim. Use it or lose it and you don’t blame China to see the opportunity in the face of a reticent government that hesitates to act like an owner

"Japan exacerbates the situation by declining to exercise its territorial rights to the island."

There are 2 lighthouses on the Senkakus, maintained by the JCG.

There's a link, check 3rf posy above yours.

Only a Sovereign operates physical infrastructure such as lighthouses, inside a specific country's territory.

Correction 3rd post

Xi says he wants peace and brotherhood, but that is not the way he acts. Actions count louder than words.

yamada1043

China is the Israel of Asia … it goes by its own rules and ignores international law.

Nobody is actually this stupid, surely.