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Japan shouldnt give a crap or even respond to anything those rags put out.

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"You cannot criticize a national leader for visiting his country's own territory..."

And yet, the PLA Daily still finds a way to do just that.

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Abe is free to visit any Japanese territory he likes, which includes Senkaku Islands, whenever he wants. Any Japanese citizen is free to do the same. Foreigners, especially Chinese, must get the appropriate visa.

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There are other paths then the one this admirer station are on.

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Spellcheck, gomenasi

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The howling of a loser holding back the tears of frustration.

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Chinese media accuse Abe of dangerous politics

I expect to get flamed for saying this, but, they are right.

Abe is an obedient puppy dog, along the lines of Kozumi and Blair. He barks his head off, but will crawl between the legs of his master, the U.S.A. at the slightest sign of trouble.

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Abe is an obedient puppy dog, along the lines of Kozumi and Blair. He barks his head off, but will crawl between the legs of his master, the U.S.A. at the slightest sign of trouble.

Ever hear of not biting the hand that feeds you? You obviously have no love for either, so why not just get the heck outta here and then it will be easier to accept your constant harping.

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Dejavus Again: "Abe is free to visit any Japanese territory he likes, which includes Senkaku Islands, whenever he wants. Any Japanese citizen is free to do the same. Foreigners, especially Chinese, must get the appropriate visa."

And yet, when a South Korean visits South Korean islands the Japanese freak out and talk about how big of an issue it is. So which is it? Do these islands belong to Japan because, even though no one lives on them, they are administered by Japan and for the same reasons, plus people living on them, Dokdo belongs to South Korea and they are free to visit? or do those islands not belong to South Korea and these not to Japan? I'm just pointing out how hypocritical a lot of the J-thinking on this is.

Anyway, regardless of your position on this island issue, and it IS an issue, Abe IS making things in the region more dangerous. That isn't to say China is innocent in any way -- they are not, and are doing more than their share to make things dangerous -- but suggesting Japan has a right to such bombast and actions but others are the aggressors is ludicrous. Everyone knows Abe's agenda is a nationalist one, and even within his own party many are against what he wants to do; so you therefore cannot deny his plans carry with it the potential for instability and danger.

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Yubaru, Indeed.

Abe does not need an "excuse" to re-arm. He has a concrete threat staring him in the eye.

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I'm sick of this posturing rich-kid putting my job and others at risk by pandering to the right. This kind of thing puts jobs on the line in terms of business. Abe was an abject failure first time around and I'm still sure he will slide off with tummy trouble again when the second inevitable failure hits home. Luckily for him, he doesn't need to worry too much financially when he gets booted out on his backside. Some of us can't afford such a luxury.

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BertieWooster you have a point!

Yubaru, I hope you stand your ground when you get called to serve your nation at war!

In the age of global citizenship, such political moves are childish. Abe should know better but unfortunately his US masters has instructed him to confront. The American regime needs to find an enermy to survive, too much domestic issues which will topple the regime if no outside enemy is found.

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@Tiger....been there, done that, and I will be available to defend my adopted country as well, more than I can say for plenty of others who just talk like they have Montezuma's revenge of the mouth!

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more obviously that the solution to resolve the island dispute is a war, an unlimited war.

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Yubaru,

I'm afraid that I am in agreement with the statements uttered in the Chinese media outlined in the article above. I think Abe is engaging in dangerous politics.

He should be moving around, going to China, going to North and South Korea, representing his country, making friends, making international connections, increasing understanding.

He is not.

He is engaging in dangerous politics. He is doing everything he can to antagonise Japan's neighbours at the same time as sucking up to the U.S.A.

Rewriting the history books, territorial disputes, changing the constitution, remilitarising the country.

This is, as the article above states, "dangerous politics."

And I stand by what I said about his "puppy dog" leanings.

Though there is no agreed social science term to describe it, in common parlance it is what is known as the "poodle" syndrome - the term the UK widely adopted to apply to the government of Tony Blair (PM, 1997-2007) in the United Kingdom. Australia's Prime Minister John Howard (PM, 1996-2007) was in similar vein often referred to as a US "deputy sheriff." In Japan some critics referred to Prime Minister Koizumi (PM, 2001-2006) as a "pochi" (pet dog) and within the George W. Bush White House he was known - at least to some - as "Sergeant-Major Koizumi."

See more at: http://www.japanfocus.org/-Gavan-McCormack/3961#sthash.HeA7tYTX.dpuf

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@China "you cannot claim what is already claimed"

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And yet, when a South Korean visits South Korean islands the Japanese freak out and talk about how big of an issue it is. So which is it? Do these islands belong to Japan because, even though no one lives on them, they are administered by Japan and for the same reasons, plus people living on them, Dokdo belongs to South Korea and they are free to visit? or do those islands not belong to South Korea and these not to Japan? I'm just pointing out how hypocritical a lot of the J-thinking on this is.

I don't know what you're ranting about. Have you read an article? What does it have in common with the content of the article?

Everyone knows Abe's agenda is a nationalist one, and even within his own party many are against what he wants to do; so you therefore cannot deny his plans carry with it the potential for instability and danger.

Everyone here knows how much you hate Japan and how big authority you are in cases regarding international relations as well as nuclear energy...

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"Rewriting the history books, territorial disputes, changing the constitution, remilitarising the country."

And China doesn't do the same?

Pot and Kettle, Bertie

And, Japan hasn't changed the constitution. Stick to the facts.

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Just wondering - maybe China and Japan should ask international community for help? International Court or some other body? There is no meaning in raising antagonisms and adding oil to the fire, which eventually might lead to military conflict.

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Just wondering - maybe China and Japan should ask international community for help? International Court or some other body? There is no meaning in raising antagonisms and adding oil to the fire, which eventually might lead to military conflict.

You mean ICJ? It's something that some other members here and I been suggesting in Japan Today for many times already whenever articles related to Senkaku Islands being brought up.

Unfortunately, it seems to me neither China nor Japan have intention to bring this issues to ICJ.

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And yet, when a South Korean visits South Korean islands the Japanese freak out and talk about how big of an issue it is. So which is it? Do these islands belong to Japan because, even though no one lives on them, they are administered by Japan and for the same reasons, plus people living on them, Dokdo belongs to South Korea and they are free to visit? or do those islands not belong to South Korea and these not to Japan? I'm just pointing out how hypocritical a lot of the J-thinking on this is.

Except you got the facts wrong, again. Takeshima was unilaterally taken by South Korean Government which resulted in deaths/injury of Japanese fishermen. Many of those fishermen were taken as hostages by the South Korean Government. Instead of using force to take back those islands, the Japanese government requested to South Korean government to settle this dispute via ICJ in a peaceful manner in which they refused.

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Unfor

“The aim is to create tension and provoke incidents, to push Japan’s military development,” it said.

Seems to me China is doing the provocation by repeatedly entering Japanese territorial waters. The former must think they have the clout to get away with it. They are playing a dangerous game and losing international support day by day and accusations by the 'top national chinese papers' of dangerous politics by PM Abe sound preposterous in the light of the policies of the chinese government. But here you have it. It is all a charade meant for the chinese people to see that china is a great nation which has a right to dominate Asia. But not all Chinese people are as dumb as their leaders presume. They may hate Japan and what the latter did a hundred years ago, but they are wondering what they are going to gain from a confrontation. They certainly won' t gain anything from china occupying the Senkaku isls. A bunch of nationalist may feel good about it, but they won't see anything in the form of improved standards of living. In fact those standards will be worse: stability in the region, in the world for that matter, will be worse. Unfortunately we can't expect chinese politicians to act according to internationally accepted standards.

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Well I agree that Abe is not choosing the best way from a strictly peaceful and non-agressive perspective. But I think this is not so much about Abe when it comes down to the real issues in play. Any Japanese top politician would have an uncomfortable seat when China is moving forward and claiming the Senkakus. A slightly bigger picture on the article would probably dig deeper in to what China is prepared to do for the possible resources under East china sea. In terms of growth and expansion Chinas position is not that different from Japans in the beginning of the 2000 century. I just wonder how alike they will be if they find serious amount of resources down there. If they do, the Senkakus will only be the first step. The Chinese logic i simple. There is a great need to keep building everything that China needs and thus obstacles need to be removed. If you have a big military machine you can easily scare people/nations to give you what you want. Of course China could choose to not build a huge military machine and stick to business by buying and negotiations. But that is not what we have seen so far in south and east china sea so why keep dreaming of a peaceful China. I think that checking Chinas needs is the best strategy for now. I guess Abe is following his beliefs and it means more of a right-wing agenda than others would choose but it is a reasonable standpoint if Abe truly beliefs that he and Japan is not a lap-dog.

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China is finally realizing the effect of its provocation - a shift to the right in Japan which just a few years ago would have been resisted by the people, but who now see such a move as necessary.

The ruling Communist Party’s official People’s Daily warned that China would never allow itself to be trampled on again, a reference to China’s bitter memories of Japan’s invasion of the country ahead of and during World War Two.

It's a fact, though little commented on, that Japanese soldiers were freely walking around in uniform in parts of China in 1946, one year after they surrendered. Why? Because they were invited to stay by Chiang Kai-shek, China's nationalist leader. The Japanese were mostly resented by Communist leader Mao Tse-Tung. The Nationalists fled to Taiwan, which Japan had given up upon surrender, but during its colonial days it was Japan that introduced democracy to Taiwan (Formosa).

This isn't some right wing rant, it's not very contentious history - except to the Chinese Communist Party of course, which needs an enemy without in order to distract the potential enemy within: its own citizens.

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The paranoia of the CCP is well-known but I doubt it's fevered enough to take this pipsqueak politician seriously. He's useful to them as a means of creating anti-Japanese sentiment as long as he's in office. Abe is a nonentity and he'll be pebble-dashing the toilet long before any resolution of this issue.

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@Abe is free to visit any Japanese territory he likes, which includes Senkaku Islands, whenever he wants. Any Japanese citizen is free to do the same. Foreigners, especially Chinese, must get the appropriate visa.

Does that only apply for Japanese people? Because that means Koreans can ALSO visit any Korean territories and yet you guys went crazy when Korean president flew over Dokdo. LOL.

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Does that only apply for Japanese people? Because that means Koreans can ALSO visit any Korean territories and yet you guys went crazy when Korean president flew over Dokdo. LOL.

Another smith coming up with South Korea reference who haven't read the article... And no, Dokdo doesn't belong to South Korea, it's military occupied territory...

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Here are some recent provocative remarks and actions by Japan:

Japan has repeatedly sent public service vessels and aircraft to waters where Chinese oil and gas rigs have been built, although these areas are within the Chinese side of the line of demarcation imposed by Japan.

Abe's allegation that China is trying to "change the status quo by force". He said Japan is facing a serious security situation because of the N Korea's rocket launch and China's military buildup.

"Every country has pride in its history so what is important is to have mutual respect," Abe told a television show on Sunday, July 7, 2013. It was 76 years ago to the day (July 7, 1937) that Japan launched an all-out war against China, known as the Lugouqiao Incident.

Japan highlighted China as a major security threat in its latest defense white paper released on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, using harsher language than in previous papers.

The Japanese government plans to establish a task force to research the ownership and names of around 400 islands, a move described by Agence France-Presse as an attempt to bolster Japan's territorial claims. However, a unilateral move to nationalize islands will raise questions over the legitimacy of such a move.

One of the latest confrontations happened on June 30, when about 30 Japanese set off from Ishigaki to the disputed islands but were expelled by China Marine Surveillance vessels.

Abe pledged to make no concessions on the territorial dispute with China during a rare visit to two remote southwestern islands (Ishigaki and Miyako) only 160/170 km away from China's disputed Islands in the East China Sea on Wednesday. Observers said the Japanese leader feels the disputed islands topic is "indispensable" to the success of Sunday's upper house election as well as the Cabinet's maritime ambitions. The visit made him the first sitting prime minister to visit the Ishigaki island in 48 years.

The four ministers, including justice minister Sadakazu Tanigaki, agriculture minister Yoshimasa Hayashi, State Minister for Disaster Reconstruction Takumi Nemoto and Tomomi Inada, State Minister for Administrative Reforms, offered lanterns to the controversial shrine, said Japan's Kyodo News.The Yasukuni Shrine kicked off its annual sacrificial ceremony from July 13 to commemorate its war dead, including 14 enshrined war criminals during the World War II.

Any provocation from the China side, none.

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For China, compared to the political values, the trade values with Japan are secondary. China would be willing to accept substantial reduction in trade with Japan before it would back down, whereas Japan might have more difficulty in economy if there is twenty percent reduction. China knows it will never get the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands, and Japan knows that China will never let go. Deng Xiaoping’s stance from the 1970s was to keep it quiet until joint economic cooperation in the area becomes possible, remains the only solution. The Japanese business influence in China is starting to decline as China invites more European and U.S. investment. It’s going to be hard for Japanese exports to move totally away from China.

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" "Does that only apply for Japanese people? Because that means Koreans can ALSO visit any Korean territories and yet you guys went crazy when Korean president flew over Dokdo. LOL"

Dokdo doesn't belong to South Korea, it's military occupied territory..."

Just like Korea didn't belong to Japan, but was "military occupied territory" -- whose takeover by Japan resulted in waaay more damage to Korea and Koreans than whatever urban legend says Japan suffered over Dokdo.

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Back on topic please.

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Another smith coming up with South Korea reference who haven't read the article... And no, Dokdo doesn't belong to South Korea, it's military occupied territory...

No. It's not occupied by military, it's guarded by a dozen or so coast guard men. If Japan wants to take it militarily, there's not much opposition on that island. Chinese also say Japan took the islands illegally and militarily. If Japanese have the right to go everywhere in South Pacific, I don't see why Korean president can't go and visit his own island without Japanese going berserk screaming death to Koreans.

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Japan has every right to change its political direction and constitution without foreign influences. It is a sovereign nation.

What comes after the change, however, is what everyone is concerned about. There is leg to this part of the discussion. However, if Japan can clarify its position as a pacified nation. Then it shouldn't be alarming to anyone. But if the change is not only in name, meaning from SDF to Military Force is not only in name but in Japan actually developing, researching, arming, and selling offensive weapons, mass destruction weapons, and eventually nuclear weapons... then that's a whole different story.

Should Japan be allowed to develop offensive weapons such as stated above, absolutely not. Due to the danger in certain "controlling" elements within Japan and how your gov't and administration is setup. Your public is way too fickle and too easy to be swayed in either directions. Its not mature enough to support any offensive element that enable Japan to pose as an aggressor.

I think that part of the discussion is warranted. And Japan doesn't have any reason to procure these type of elements since the US will protect Japan for all matters concerning to its recognized sovereignty. But simply renaming SDF and enacting Japan to be able to join forces in allied actions, that change should be allowed and supported. Having one of the most modern military in the region and the world and calling yourself as a SDF is hypocritical to say the least.

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highball7 Jul. 20, 2013 - 01:01AM JST Should Japan be allowed to develop offensive weapons such as stated above, absolutely not.

Time has changed and Japan cannot rely entirely on U.S. for defense. Japan's small size, its geographically concentrated industry, and the close proximity of potentially hostile powers all render the country vulnerable to a nuclear strike. North Korea developed nuclear weapons coupled with its capability to target Japan with any weapon that it developed, is a matter of great concern to Japan. Events on the Asian mainland could also affect Japan. Since the early 70s, China has possessed a nuclear force capable of striking Japan.

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Sorry, we just can't allow a country of 1.32 billion people to have such an overpowering effect on the world. Once, China restructures into units no larger than 300 million under such names as the Yangtze People's Republic, the Yellow River Federation and the Oriental Pearl (commiserate with the cultural watersheds of China's three principal rivers), the future will be bright. Right now, the PRC is too large and has "unbalanced" the scales in Asia. So, we will re-balance Asia by forcing the PRC to devolve into six constituent democracies, three of which will be Han Chinese, as enumerated above.

The other three countries are the former colonies of the PRC, meaning Tibet, Uighur, and Inner Mongolia (which itself will coalesce with Outer Mongolia to reform the Mongolian nation). There is already some indication that Manchuria may actually form a seventh new nation from the tottering behemoth of the PRC. That's up to the Manchurians, and we will support them in this, if they so choose.

So, as you can see, we're absolutely truthful with you when we say we are not trying to contain China. No, our intention is to re-balance Asia to create a more prosperous world less likely to drag us into WWIII. For instance, the Yangtze People's Republic will be on a more equal level, both militarily and commercially, in dealing with South Korea and the Philippines and Vietnam and the Oriental Pearl in solving territorial, financial, export/import matters than this "unbalanced" monster called the PRC.

Just hang in there. It's all going to happen by 2017, following the Battle of the Senkakus.

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lachance Jul. 20, 2013 - 05:15AM JST Sorry, we just can't allow a country of 1.32 billion people to have such an overpowering effect on the world.

China is a major trade partner of Japan and the U.S., and Europe. Our economies are highly interdependent with each other. The most pressing problem for U.S. is not security but the serious economic challenges with staggering government debts at both federal and state levels, unbalanced budgets, unstable economic growth, insufficient investment, high unemployment and lack of confidence in the U.S. dollar. Europe's most serious challenges come from within the European Union itself rather than from other parts of the world. European countries face the pressing task of balancing budgets, sovereign debt repayment, economic recovery and raising its international competitiveness. We all need a stable external environment, gradual reform of the international system and a moderate approach to global governance. If China, the U.S. and Europe all consider the stability of the other side and that of international system in their own interest, then a solid foundation can be laid.

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Gee sfjp330. Good argument. It's exactly like Zheng Bijian

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-gardels/chinas-zheng-bijian-on-th_b_1000407.html

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lachance,

Sorry, we just can't allow a country of 1.32 billion people to have such an overpowering effect on the world.

And this is the voice of the "Land of the Free?"

Because China's population is 1.32 billion, you feel you have to stop it having an "overpowering effect on the world."

I can't believe you actually wrote that.

If you're worried about numbers, I'll give you something else to ponder about.

China's population is bigger than that. Add to the figure of 1.32 billion the number of Chinese in cities around the world, Vancouver, Sydney, San Francisco, Singapore, etc., etc. These people may have Canadian, Australian, US, etc. nationalities, but they still consider themselves Chinese and many keep a close contact with the motherland.

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"Chinese" in cities around the world, Vancouver, Sydney, San Francisco, Singapore, ect., ect,", as well as everywhere in Southeast Asia, are "Han people", or "Midland Han", but not "Chinese". "Chinese" comes from "Ch'in", and "Hu", rulers and exploiters of Han people, but not Han people.

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As in he words of Rodney King -- "Can't we just get along?"

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The day that Japan has military confliction with China is also the day of extinction for Japan. Remember this. That will be a good excuse for revenge.

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"The day that Japan has military confliction with China is also the day of extinction for Japan".

Could happen before Japan changes its constitution to own its own N bomb and missiles, before US changes its politicians, before Southeast Asian countries allied with Japan and offer Japan their help---take years to accomplish! So hurry up, or else when it comes to a duel, everybody knows how things Made In Japan are so much better than things Made in China.

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@tmtmsnb, You didn't get it. I am for the good of Japan. You are taking a wrong view that happily to be seen by the USA. Think about it : the USA are having increasingly communication and business affairs with China in the few decades, but made Japan and China to be foe to each other, is this accidental? If the USA so love Japan, why they defeat Japan in 1990s in the way of finance and bring two decades recession of Japan? Fight for China ? did you come to this conclusion by take an envy from the America?

All I want to say is , be good to each other is the best solution.

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@IRobin, In a nuclear warfare, who presses the button first wins, for a couple of minutes, then he's gone too. So how are you so sure that Japan will extinct while only China survives? That's why I said, in order to satisfy your prediction that Japan will extinct, China must strike before Japan goes full military. Who drives Japan goes military, what drives Japanese people to hand Abe the huge victory? China with its Senkaku or Diauyu.

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Poor Xi. He's the man who has to orchestrate the PRC's decline, now that China's economy has hit the Great Wall of unattainable expectation, since the Western World will no longer finance the Chinese economy. Nearly one billion Chinese live in absolute low-grade poverty with China's overall GDP per capita being equivalent of dirt-poor Dominican Republic. Sure, some 300 million Han Chinese live at the same level as the rest of the First World, but the extremely vast majority of the Chinese don't, with an income of approximately $1,700 a year. That is contemptible for a country building a large military and venturing into space. Take care of your poor first.

Now that the PRC's economic decline has begun, the major shift in the international order is already well recognized as the retreat of China's role in East Asia and in the South China Sea. China's ability to project military power in Asia has been substantially overestimated, especially by its people. Its geography limits its ability to project power in Eurasia, an endeavor that would require logistics far beyond China's capacity. And, now that the economy has turned, the Chinese will never acquire the naval might to project power significantly in the Pacific either.

In fact, its naval capacity is still rather limited when compared with Japan, which far surpasses Great Britain's own naval capabilities. The idea that the PRC will compensate for internal economic problems by genuine (as opposed to rhetorical) military action in the Senkakus or in the South China Sea is therefore unlikely. China has a genuine internal security problem that will suck the lifeblood out of the PLA, which remains a domestic security force. The PLA will continue flexing its muscles in actions of little value, as far as geographical expansion in securing its very suspect core interests in South China and East Asia.

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@tmtmsnb, I never said only China survives. For all the questions about "Who", the other nations also have a series of "Who", you think you are right, the other people are wrong, but Chinese also believe they are right. If all the sides insist theire own opions, the only result is military confliction.

For the Senkaku, Chinese believe they are taken by War, so they are the orignal owner. and it will be taken back. You think you are the victim, Chinese believe they are the victims because their terrirories are robbed.

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@IRobin, to clarify, I do not take any stand regarding the right to Senkaku. However I believe the issue eventually will lead Japan to militarization, whether others like it or not.

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◎tmtmsnb,

Actually, China may be delight to see Japan lead to militarization, because it will be easy to find good excause for China's militarization.

The hatreds will be certainly raise. we will have to bet on who can win in the last.

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Militarization sucks up people's livelihood, better use the resources to improve income of those "nearly one billion Chinese live in absolute low-grade poverty with China's overall GDP per capita income being equivalent of dirt-poor Dominican Republic." You might say we people will sacrifice our stomach for territories! Well many, such as Hitler, had already tried and didn't work out well. So my advice is still this: improve your people's living standard before showing the world how great you are.

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And as usual the PRC drones wave ther flags of war, but don't understand what war really is all about.

You may have a billion footmen, but until you find a way to grow gills you are going no where.

The PRC is a giant well cooked pork that is ready to be carved by all it's neighbors.

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