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China is a bully helped created by the US when it first supported Nationalist Taiwan then pulled the plug and left them out to dry. Then the US appeased China and cut relations with Taiwan and refused to recognize it as a country - after it sulked over how the US lost China for decades - so that they can access the gold mine of China’s huge population and market. You made your money but you’ve created a monster.

Communist China sent the US endeavors in Korea and Vietnam home. It is no easy pushover. With Pompeo as future Republican President things will get closer the WWIII. The US needs to take a backseat and not let its corporate interests ruin its foreign policy. If not the US who?

Japan stands a better chance of looking into the Wuhan lab and the source of the virus while maintaining relations so the rest of the world economy will not suffer. With the US, it’ll be sanctions and more threats of trade war, military movements, and talks of war by the media with jittery world markets.

With Japan, there will be meetings and dialogue. Japan has a chance to play a significant role and needs to step up.

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“The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

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When Daddy and Mummy throw hands to each other,son or daughter come in handy.

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Of course they would. Their next stage of their plan is to remove Military bases from Japan and South Korean. From that time they'll be able to fully control all of Asia.

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China is the future, the US is the past. Japan must make strong links with China.

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China is losing friends fast. The Super Power America is boss. Japan has the strongest ties with America now than ever before.

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No thanks to a dictatorship that will kill or imprison you for not following their ideologies.

Japan, USA, Western Europe, India, and Australia must stand together.

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Anytime China aims to do anything don't trust them.

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thepersoniamnow, what happens when the world sees that the USA has become a dictatorship? People in the USA are saying trump is going to cancel the next election.

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China aims to boost ties with Japan? Good luck with that!

@YuriOtani. Relax. There will be an election this year. Bet on it.

@gokai_wo_makeu. Nope. Dream on. There is room for a relationship with China but it must be controlled and mutually beneficial. Japan is certainly willing to give but the CCP remains a different story.

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China is a bully helped created by the US

No, China was a bully (and far worse) way, way before anyone had real diplomatic relations with it.

when it first supported Nationalist Taiwan then pulled the plug and left them out to dry.

Dunno, Trump as been more of a friend to the Taiwanese and gave it more independent legitimacy than any other President, this is something that definitely rubs China the wrong way.

Then the US appeased China and cut relations with Taiwan and refused to recognize it as a country -

To a point, at the same time, if the US would support Taiwan the way you want, guess who will suffer greatly, that tiny nation and you think at this point and time we should go to war over Taiwan that can reach the nation within hours, pound them and blast them to pieces, that’s the reality Washington officials have to deal with. I want an independent Taiwan, but you can’t go in there guns a blazing, it won’t work like that and especially for the Taiwanese.

after it sulked over how the US lost China for decades - so that they can access the gold mine of China’s huge population and market. You made your money but you’ve created a monster. 

What?

Communist China sent the US endeavors in Korea and Vietnam home. It is no easy pushover. With Pompeo as future Republican President things will get closer the WWIII. The US needs to take a backseat and not let its corporate interests ruin its foreign policy. If not the US who? 

Huh?

Japan stands a better chance of looking into the Wuhan lab and the source of the virus while maintaining relations so the rest of the world economy will not suffer.

Whoa, Japan isn’t even honest about THEIR own numbers when it comes to this virus and they have their own political agenda to keeping it a certain level...remember, they’re hosting the Olympics, think.....

With the US, it’ll be sanctions and more threats of trade war, military movements, and talks of war by the media with jittery world markets. 

Yes, China won’t negotiate on transparency and fairness, they haven’t been for 30 years.

With Japan, there will be meetings and dialogue. Japan has a chance to play a significant role and needs to step up.

I see, so in other words, pace will be slow as molasses and nothing will ever, ever get done.

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Whoa, Japan isn’t even honest about THEIR own numbers when it comes to this virus and they have their own political agenda to keeping it a certain level...remember, they’re hosting the Olympics, think.....

But Japan can't be dishonest about the total monthly death rates which for March and April in Tokyo were lower than last year.

Dunno, Trump as been more of a friend to the Taiwanese and gave it more independent legitimacy than any other President, this is something that definitely rubs China the wrong way.

America does not recognise Taiwan has a country. No major western nation does.

Reports in the media, the Covid-19 did not originate in Wuhan but was imported by a visitor. Not from animal source.

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quercetumToday  07:00 am JST

Then the US appeased China and cut relations with Taiwan and refused to recognize it as a country 

This is incorret for the simple reasion that Taiwan has never declared itself a sovereign nation. From the outset it purported to represent "all of China," as the Republic of China. In 1971 the US under the Nixon administration chose to recognize the Peoples Republic of China (PROC,PRC.Commnit China, Red China. Mainlad China) as representing all of "China".

It is up to Taiwan to declare itself an independent sovereign country, an act which would undoubtedly receive the support of the entire world but dares China (PRC) to live up to it's continuous threat of preventing such an act with military force. Such military action by China very likely to draw it into a direct military confrontation with the United States and it's allies. While the US did diplomatically abandon ROC for PRC, it has never completely abandoned Taiwan strategecically as the US continues to arm Taiwan to prevent an invasion from China(PRC).

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Japan should strengthen ties with China ...but only

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... but only if they get rid of the CCP.

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DO not under any circumstances trust China the liar, the cheat, and the manipulator !

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America does not have diplomatic relationships with Taiwan.

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I hope Japan will not fall for China's tricky approach.

China was and is a bully!

And as long as China doesn't clearly proof that the Corona virus is not originated in one of their Laboratories, and they are not responsible for all this chaos in the world, all countries should think twice before they resume or start new business with China.

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But Japan can't be dishonest about the total monthly death rates which for March and April in Tokyo were lower than last year. 

Uh-Huh....

America does not recognise Taiwan has a country. No major western nation does.

Trump has done more to recognize the independence of the country than other Presidents and the Chinese don’t like it one bit.

Reports in the media, the Covid-19 did not originate in Wuhan but was imported by a visitor. Not from animal source.

Lol, hey, you can believe that if you like. That’s not what Chinese officials were saying or even implying and now they once again changed their story and the US msm are falling for it again because the Chinese know and understand liberals will react when you drive and attach a racial component to the issue.

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I hope Japan will not fall for China's tricky approach. 

China was and is a bully!

And as long as China doesn't clearly proof that the Corona virus is not originated in one of their Laboratories, and they are not responsible for all this chaos in the world, all countries should think twice before they resume or start new business with China

I completely agree and 100%

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China is a bully for sure. Guess they mastered the modus operandi of america. Coming home to roost and all.

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It’s interesting watching the cries of our American posters that are realizing that China can do to the world what America previously was the only one able to do - whatever they want.

Might makes right in this world.

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zichiToday  09:18 am JST

America does not have diplomatic relationships with Taiwan.

The Taiwan Relations Act authorizes de facto diplomatic relations with the governing authorities by giving special powers to the American Institute in Taiwan to the level that it is the de facto embassy, and states that any international agreements made between the ROC and U.S. before 1979 are still valid unless otherwise terminated. The act provides for Taiwan to be treated under U.S. laws the same as "foreign countries, nations, states, governments, or similar entities", thus treating Taiwan as a sub-sovereign foreign state equivalent. The act provides that for most practical purposes of the U.S. government, the absence of diplomatic relations and recognition will have no effect.

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OssanAmerica

The point is America does not have diplomatic relationships with Taiwan. Time it did then.

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China aims to boost ties with Japan amid spat with U.S.

BINGO! The magic word "TIES".....

Give President Xi credit, he knows how to play a sucker....

He's offering Abe the same deal he gave Trump: We'll make your ties and shirts on the cheap in our sweatshop factories, and you can sell them at a "yuuge" markup. Just look at the prices on the Trumpstore website - a cheap Chinese made tie that probably cost 50 cents to make is going for $125 bucks! Winning!

https://www.trumpstore.com/collections/men-accessories

Expect to see Abe-brand ties at your local Seiyu...

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"Reports in the media, the Covid-19 did not originate in Wuhan but was imported by a visitor. Not from animal source." I heard that too...from the CCP.

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China is the future, the US is the past. Japan must make strong links with China.

@ Gokai_wo_maneku - sorry, but thats a very, very out of touch opinion. Communist, totalitarian, one-party states with an Emperor-Dictator for life are NOT the future, no matter how anyone spins it. Japan would be well advised to divest all interests in Communist China as fast as practical- as Western nations are now stating they will do.

Communist China is the past. It is now finished. Time for the free world - AND their companies manufacturing and doing business with PRC - to cease ALL relations with Communist China. States and companies that continue relations with China should be called out and boycotted.

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This is just the CCP trying to drive a wedge between the US and it's allies in Asia, and should be taken for what it's worth - absolutely zero. Like when a crocodile smiles at you.

Zichi -

Reports in the media, the Covid-19 did not originate in Wuhan but was imported by a visitor. Not from animal source.

Wouldn't take it too seriously, It's just CCP propaganda to deflect guilt among the talk of that inquiry into the WHO.

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Amid the pandemic China has never concealed its territorial ambition and provocative actions which have also affected disputed islands neighbors while stressing a friendship and mutual cooperation in the diplomatic front. Please don't get fooled. Unlike some other countries, Japan still has many viable options in dealing with "upper-hand" China. The fifth columns are more troublesome....

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Wouldn't take it too seriously, It's just CCP propaganda to deflect guilt among the talk of that inquiry into the WHO.

posted a link to a science paper, now deleted.

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gokai_wo_manekuToday  08:15 am JST

China is the future, the US is the past. Japan must make strong links with China.

No, China WAS the future. Not after COVID19 it isn't.

zichiToday  10:19 am JST

OssanAmerica

The point is America does not have diplomatic relationships with Taiwan. Time it did then.

The point is that a de facto diplomatic relationship does and has existed. You should have stated "official diplomatic" if you wanted to be accurate.

But I agree it's time that not only should the US officially recognize Taiwan diplomatically but the US-Taiwan Mutual Defense Treaty which ended in 1979 should be reinstated as well. Taiwan deserves the full support of the UN and should be recognized.

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Nothing new.

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Don’t fall for it japan. It’s time the world put the class bully in its place through isolating them and putting sanctions on the ccp until compensation is paid to the world for the China virus..

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Wow,

Interesting; China has now admitted to destroying the earliest samples of the virus. The reason they give is "for bio-safety".

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-confirms-that-it-destroyed-early-samples-of-new-coronavirus-2020-5

This does not make sense at best and at worst either confirms China has something to hide or that they do not have confident in the ability of their laboratory or laboratory processes to contain a virus.

If they do not have confident in the ability of their laboratory or the processes to contain the virus then it would be a fair hypothesis (not a conspiracy theory) that a virus accidentally leaked out of the Wuhan lab.

If they did in fact try to hide this from the world Japan would be wise to keep a distance from or to approach any relationship with the People's Republic of China or their dictatorial governing body, the CCP, carefully.

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when it first supported Nationalist Taiwan then pulled the plug and left them out to dry.

Dunno, Trump as been more of a friend to the Taiwanese and gave it more independent legitimacy than any other President, this is something that definitely rubs China the wrong way.

I am referring to US foreign policy 1941-1949. $750 million in aid to Taiwan, an extraordinary amount in this period. And the result is the CCP lifts its flag. The US grew frustrated and unplugged its support. The result is seen today not to mention George W and the imaginary WMD, a distraction that allowed the CCP to fly under the radar in the 2000's.

Then the US appeased China and cut relations with Taiwan and refused to recognize it as a country -

To a point, at the same time, if the US would support Taiwan the way you want, guess who will suffer greatly, that tiny nation and you think at this point and time we should go to war over Taiwan that can reach the nation within hours, pound them and blast them to pieces, that’s the reality Washington officials have to deal with. I want an independent Taiwan, but you can’t go in there guns a blazing, it won’t work like that and especially for the Taiwanese.

I am referring to US foreign policy 1979 not what transpired in 1995 and later between China and Taiwan, that's between the two countries and people. I am not interested in China/Taiwan but the failure of the US policy with no long term goals or changes depending on the party in administration. It would literally be the equivalent if the US said, there can only be one Korea. North Korea (China) is the real Korea. What has been South Korea (Taiwan) is not a country. We can only recognize one. The parentheses are there for you. Good policy?

after it sulked over how the US lost China for decades - so that they can access the gold mine of China’s huge population and market. You made your money but you’ve created a monster. 

What?

I am referring to the U.S. political discourse, the "loss of China" to the unexpected CCP takeover of mainland China and to the grasp of Communism. If Japan became a Communist country, it might be considered the "loss of Japan" from a US point of view. The report of the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee in 1951 written by Senator Pat McCarran concluded that China was indeed "lost" because of the policy followed by the State Department. The "loss of China" was portrayed by critics of the Truman Administration as an "avoidable catastrophe."

Communist China sent the US endeavors in Korea and Vietnam home. It is no easy pushover. With Pompeo as future Republican President things will get closer the WWIII. The US needs to take a backseat and not let its corporate interests ruin its foreign policy. If not the US who? 

Huh?

I am referring to how Douglas MacArthur almost defeated the North Korea and got to the border but the CCP "volunteer army" pushed the US led troops back and ended the war in an armstice. It can also be said the US lost the chance for a united democratic Korea due to MacArthur's insubordination which led to his termination. I am also referring the indirect fight between China and the US in the Vietnam War.

I am not sure if you can hold this conversation. In short, the US does not know what it is doing; not only in Asia but in many places of the world.

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Abe's dealing with China is the smartest diplomacy in the world.

China very likely will compensate Japan's loss without Japan demanding it

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@OssanAmerica

This is incorret for the simple reasion that Taiwan has never declared itself a sovereign nation. From the outset it purported to represent "all of China," as the Republic of China. In 1971 the US under the Nixon administration chose to recognize the Peoples Republic of China (PROC,PRC.Commnit China, Red China. Mainlad China) as representing all of "China".

Exactly as you wrote. The US chose to recognize the CCP and not the ROC. I am referring to Nixon in 1972 and then Carter in 1979; referring to Taiwan's claim that it is China and not to its independence movement.

What would you say if US under President ____ chooses to recognize the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) as representing all of "Korea" then proceeds to move factories into "Korea" and take advantage of the low wages.

In short, Japan, and not the US, has the qualities and demeanor to deal with China, not as an extended arm of the US but as a key player in engaging China.

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Japan is the Sun and the US is the north wind in Aesop's fable with China.

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@quertum,

Taiwan's ROC constitition was written in 1946 and went into effect in 1947. It is based on the premise that the ROC controls all of mainland China. No one today, including young Taiwanese believe that Taiwan controls China. So what is needed is an effort by Taiwan's leaders to amend their constitution and declare themselves a sovereign nation of Taiwan, not the Republic of China of Kuomingtang days.

If and when that occurs, I can not imagine that the entire world, excluding PRC, DPRNK, and dinky countries that China buys off, protesting this. I believe that COVID19 may have been a blessing in disguise for Taiwan independence if they are prepared to put their freedom and future at stake.

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Yuri Otani

I’d say that you would be alone “with the world” in your house, thinking your own thoughts. :)

Peace out! lol

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Taiwan's ROC constitition was written in 1946 and went into effect in 1947.

The ROC came into existence in 1912 not 1947. The US supported it in the 1940’s before the ROC lost to the CCP. The US just basically threw money at a corrupted family then unplugged and backed out. Then you have the red China that the US sanctioned then embraces. This off and on sanction/engagement has no direction. Taiwan and its independence is not the subject of my post.

The US could have had non-Communist Democratic China but its failed foreign policy through the years helped create the China the world has to deal with today.

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@ gokai_wo_maneku

China is the future, the US is the past. Japan must make strong links with China.

I must be very disgusted if the above view came from a Japanese. Do you really trust China? Just eight days ago, many readers around the world joined forces in supporting Japan when China sent its two ships to chase a Japanese fishing boat near Senkaku Island.

Without the US, Japan would struggle in protecting its territory and national interests against China and Russia.

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Hopefully acovid 19 is an awakening that China is not the future.

I see the CCP losing out from this

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China's Wolf Warriors or Wolves wearing Sheep's Clothing - all words.... actions however have spoken Volumes.

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I really hope the CCP disappears this year, quietly, without Domestic Trouble back home, or conflict with other Nations - the latter would clearly have disastrous consequences for everyone.

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@querceturn

It can also be said the US lost the chance for a united democratic Korea due to MacArthur's insubordination which led to his termination.

It was the opposite.  MacArthur wanted a united Korea but US government didn't agree. It was US led UN army.  China was a permanent member of UN and had a veto to US led UN army.  It was a staged war. MacArthir realized it after the war.

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I've been pointing out for days that China is not going to take aggression over the virus lying down, and here's the proof:

https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/china-threatens-australia-economically-over-coronavirus-probe/

China makes economic threats against Australia over coronavirus probe

A war of words is intensifying between Australia and China after Australia’s prime minister called for an investigation into the origins of the coronavirus outbreak — a move that is threatening trade ties.

On Wednesday, the Chinese embassy accused Australia of playing “petty tricks” over its push for an after-action report on what led to the pandemic.

“The Embassy of China doesn’t play petty tricks, this is not our tradition. But if others do, we have to reciprocate,” an embassy spokesman said in a statement.

Anyone who thinks China is going to just lie down and let the world erode the power they've spent the past forty years building is entirely delusional, and really is too stupid to keep posting on this forum.

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I really hope the CCP disappears this year, quietly, without Domestic Trouble back home, or conflict with other Nations - the latter would clearly have disastrous consequences for everyone.

I feel the same.

I also feel the same about the American Republican party. Please disappear quietly. You're a pox on humanity.

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I am not sure if you can hold this conversation. In short, the US does not know what it is doing; not only in Asia but in many places of the world.

I vehemently disagree.

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@Tokyo-Engr: China did say that the sample was destroyed because it was held at a laboratory that did not have the rating to secure viruses. I don't know the veracity of that, but they did give a reason.

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Hi Peter - thanks for pointing that out.

I would imagine it is possible but I found it interesting they actually admitted to this and released the information.

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tinawatanabeMay 18  11:02 pm JST

@querceturn

It can also be said the US lost the chance for a united democratic Korea due to MacArthur's insubordination which led to his termination.

It was the opposite. MacArthur wanted a united Korea but US government didn't agree. It was US led UN army. China was a permanent member of UN and had a veto to US led UN army. It was a staged war. MacArthir realized it after the war.

Your dates are all wrong. The Korean War was 1950-1951. At that time the "China" that was recognized by the UN was the ROC, now Taiwan. A Security Council member since 1954.

The PRC did not become "China", recognized by the UN and a Security Council member until 1971. It was not even recognized by the UN during the Korean War, much less held any veto power over anything.

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Better to side with a rising power in the neighborhood which has similar roots to you.

Than a falling Regime which is in tantrumps and has shown a distinctive reason for distrust and unreliability

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@bass4funk

I vehemently disagree

I mean all US IS doing is breaking ties and Allies for last 3 years.

One is moving inwards being unreasonable.

Other is venturing out being productive and reasonable.

Whats the long game here anyway?

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Earlier this month, the Japan Coast Guard said two China Coast Guard ships had approached and chased a Japanese fishing boat in Japanese territorial waters around the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea.

A great relief, this incident didn't escalate into an open spat between the two countries. The media didn't report it on a grand scale, only igniting some rightist groups to boil over. But I think the media exercised discretion and self-constraint not to let the incident to flare up, worsening the China-Japan relations.

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The exact picture was two China Coast Guard ships chased a Yonaguni-registered Japanese fishing boat in the Senkaku waters and a Japan Coast Guard ship intervened between them, ordering the Chinese ships to leave the area, announcing it was Japan's sovereign territory.

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@Ossanamerica very good point about the Taiwan relations act. And since as you said, Taiwan doesn’t even recognize themselves as an. Independent country, and the US had to go this route. So they do have relations with each other, just not official relations. Same goes with every other country in the world, almost.

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