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No breakthrough in U.S.-China talks may hurt Sino-Japan ties

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China wants to be THE world leader and have all nations defer to its will. Their voice will only get louder and more whiny as time moves forward. They will get to a point where they lose control and take military action of some kind, in the belief they have that right, and things will get ugly. Sadly China is not a champion for freedom and does not offer a viable alternative as world leader, only a darker more sinister version that wants to control everything and as such, every nation. It will build the worlds largest modern military and become the largest economy (with continued foreign investment) and use one or the other or both to get it's way.

The future does not look bright for mankind, the current civilization or the planet at large. A dark horizon that only looks to get darker. It is what happens when a nation believes it should lead the world, and it is prepared to take it.

Who wants a world where China calls all the shots and tells everyone what they can do and say?

Not me.

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Breakthrough? Was anybody really expecting a breakthrough when this just started? All nations need to weigh their desire for short term economic benefit through trade and relations with the Chinese dictatorship, and the desire for a long term stable global future that will facilitate trade, freedom and human advancement.

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China prefers small steps to test and move the red lines so that it can take over without being called out.

China hates being called out.

Biden is on exactly the correct course in defending freedom in the Indo-Pacific. Call China out, fatten the red line, get our partners involved.

The next 4-8 years will be tough with China and Russia and that’s not a bad thing. Neither is a good actor for a rules-based planet.

They want another Cold War? Let’s give them one. How’d the last one turn out for the anti-freedom wing?

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Time for Japan to jump over the fence. We need to quickly join the Belt and Road project which will give our businesses access to over 60% of the worlds markets.

look at history. Roman, Ottoman, French, British, Dutch...etc. All failed now. Their empires peaked and now a shadow of their former selves.

USA has peaked. It’s in decline. Now is the time of China.

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"We expected that China would react harshly to the two-plus-two joint statement, but China has done bad things so we had no choice. 

Bad things...that’s the extent of the vocabulary. China is bad.

They want another Cold War? Let’s give them one. How’d the last one turn out for the anti-freedom wing?

One factor is draining your resources on military spending. China spends about 200 billion USD and the US 700 billion, 1.9% and 3.4% of the GDP respectively. The anti-freedom wing spent 16.6% in 1987. China’s transition to a liberal market economy was also more successful than that of Russia.

The future does not look bright for mankind, the current civilization or the planet at large. A dark horizon that only looks to get darker.

I don’t see China ruling the world. It’s ways of dealing with its people are as opposite as discipline/abuse is from free range/rights style. The two superpowers in good balance, at odds but with open diplomatic channels is the way to go.

The top diplomatic said yesterday that the US has not fared well in Asia and couldn’t win the Korean or Vietnam Wars. Could it have defeated Japan without nuclear weapons? It’ll be the same with China; you won’t win unless multiple nuclear warheads are employed. Only China has nuclear warheads too and has the technology needed to deliver these nuclear warheads anywhere on earth.

Co-existence and diplomacy is the way to go. The world cannot afford a hothead in either of the two

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"The key is to resolve problems through dialogue," Tarumi added."

No it is not. The key to the problem is to dump Article 9 and build a kick butt Military.

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"Recent moves by the Japanese government of Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga "seem to lack consideration for China,"

LOL, as if China is showing any consideration for Japan or any other country.

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quercetumToday  10:16 am JST

Co-existence and diplomacy is the way to go. The world cannot afford a hothead in either of the two

Feel free to go convince the CCP of your views.

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@HimariYamada

The US "kick butt" military has done nothing but lose wars my entire lifetime, killing a lot of people in the process and costing a fortune.

Fortunately most Japanese know better, you are in the minority.

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Japan wasted its opportunity in the 1990s with the most pointless economic bubble in history. China grew into a near superpower status in just 14 years to surpass Japan completely. Now, Japan is completely irrelevant to China and possibly the US.

Alaska summit does not provide any significance to Sino-Japan ties which were already irrelevant in the first place. Xi Jinping does not care about Japan at all, while Biden hesitates to make a state visit to Japan directly. Especially with Xi, he repeatedly denies any state visit to Japan.

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@Septism

Plaza Accord was a disaster for Japan, that bubble in the 90s has been a disaster affecting Japan for the past 30yrs of economic stagnation. USA at the time was afraid of Japan economically not China.

Japan in 2021 without the Plaza Accord.

-Larger economy to deal with China.

-Larger military budget, could take on more responsibilities in East Asia Indo Pacific.

-Better life for average Japanese, foreigners living in Japan.

-Universal Basic Income, Japan could have been the first to do it without Plaza Accord.

-Spend more in space and on research for diseases R&D.

-Could have landed a man/woman on the Moon, second country to do it.

Massive Debt! Huge amounts of debt since Plaza Accord was signed. It wasn't because we spend on the military, No. Wasn't because we spend on our people,No. Disaster called the Plaza Accord! ! Trillions of wealth lost! !

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The key to the problem is to dump Article 9 and build a kick butt Military.

It’s called hubris; millions of locals and foreigners paid the ultimate price the last time that sentiment prevailed.

“Disaster called the Plaza Accord.”

Only in your fevered imaginings. The Plaza Accord was America’s long overdue response to a Japan that imagined it could get away forever with an artificially weak yen and tolerance of it’s unreciprocated exploitation of American trade openness. The limited horizons of Japan’s elitist ruling circles far better explains the failure of your pie in the sky wish list to come to fruition.

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It is quite simple. Declare the CCP as a Terrorist organisation.

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The CCP is no different from the Iranians even if they are at the opposite ends of the pole to each other, yet one has to question why this is so... and what their respective agendas are.... we would be better off without either in todays World! I hope Putin and Biden could agree upon that, and work together to reduce this problem, to something we dont need to worry about.

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Recent moves by the Japanese government of Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga "seem to lack consideration for China,"

For years, Beijing has extended an olive branch to Tokyo 

Load of tripe. Threatening to take the Senkaku Islands is extending the olive branch? Not subjugating Japan to the CCP is a "lack of consideration for China"? Big middle finger to the middle kingdom.

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The US "kick butt" military has done nothing but lose wars my entire lifetime.

You must be very young and weren't born when the US beat Iraq for the second time in a little over a decade.

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Massive Debt! Huge amounts of debt since Plaza Accord was signed. It wasn't because we spend on the military, No. Wasn't because we spend on our people,No. Disaster called the Plaza Accord! ! Trillions of wealth lost! !

Japan has been running annual budget deficits most years since around 1970. While there are surpluses some years most years are deficits and the overall trend since about 1970s has been to run a deficit. Find another excuse for Japan's national debt.

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No it is not. The key to the problem is to dump Article 9 and build a kick butt Military.

This is exactly what American MIC wants Japan to do. They recommended Japan to remove the Article 9 in the 1970s but Japan refused because it doesn't want to help American wars in Vietnam or Middle East to Latin America. Paying for the military is economically detrimental for Japan, and now the socioeconomic environment makes it harder to sustain a good military without damaging lives of Japanese people and national economy. The demographic collapse isn't good for sustaining a military either.

Japan has no core requirement to maintain a military even if the Article 9 is removed. The fat cats in the American defense industry will benefit greatly if Japan blindly removes Article 9.

You must be very young and weren't born when the US beat Iraq for the second time in a little over a decade.

You can't reason with any Japanese ultranationalist. They are dumber and more mindless than Qanon folks in the US.

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Japan has no core requirement to maintain a military even if the Article 9 is removed.

If this is true, then how does Japan defend itself if the Chinese come looking for revenge for WWII? Or say the Russians decide to take Hokkaido? Bambi's get eaten by the wolves but the wolf leaves the Porcupine alone.

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Aaron Baldwin

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US starts with a barrage of accusation but China smiles and says, "stop being a busy body, we are here to resolve isuues, not quarrel." Blinken blinked and woked up from his dreams.

China's reply to U.S.A. at Alaska meeting

You have your type of democracy. we have our type of democracy.

▪︎ We lifted millions if not all of our population out of poverty. You created millions of unemployed and homeless.

▪︎ We controlled and eradicated Covid. You let Covid devastate you.

▪︎ Your infrastructures are at least 30 to 40 years old.

▪︎ We build and provide cheap and affordable housing for the people. You build houses but the economic situation that you are in now resulted in more foreclosures (people giving up) than people buying

▪︎ We don't have homeless people sleeping in the street. You have plenty sleeping all over the place

▪︎ Our people have sufficient good food to eat. You too have food but the people have no money to buy food and have to rely on Govt Food stamps to pay for their food

▪︎ We have very little crime rate. You have one of the highest crime rate in the world which keeps your police very busy

▪︎ We have affordable health insurance and health care. Your health care is so out of reach such that the average household could not afford to fall sick

▪︎ Our people are united behind us. Your people are divided behind you

▪︎ Our democratic systems are quite difference. Ours can deliver the goods. Yours make you indebted

*Why must you make us follow your way or running the country

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Our democratic systems are quite difference. Ours can deliver the goods. Yours make you indebted

That is a laughable claim. China's debt to GDP ratio is more that three times that of the US, and then there is the debt trap of Belt and Road.

We don't have homeless people sleeping in the street. You have plenty sleeping all over the place

The Chinese have workers from rural areas camped out legally prohibited from living there for lack of a Resident Identity Card. Without the card allowing them to live in the city they work in they cannot legally rent or obtain any public services. They are Chinese citizens but might as well be illegal immigrants.

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The above is borrow from youtuber comment.

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Well whatever, you believe in what you want i have mine.

.No system is perfect, everyone has their fault.

If i can't keep my house in order i don't have any right to tell you your house is a mess.

You hate CPC cause what happen to your parent, but i don't hate even when my parent have lost their shops and lands confiscated by the CCP.

Just like resent Japan, i don't hate the present Japanese people. i don't , it is not their fault for what happen during Japan imperial army occupation of China.

Go to China, talk to the people and see with your own eyes, without any preconception.

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Go to China, talk to the people and see with your own eyes, without any preconception.

The Red Guards took the family home in Shanghai and a party cadre lives there to this day. Momma was run out of the classroom and into exile in a rural backwater by the Red Guards. Her first husband was killed. Arrested and the next day the Red Guard said he "committed suicide". Sure thing. We know the truth about the vile CCP. How about you?

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Go and take a look, if you have not been there, no point talking, we each has our own eyes to see and not hearsay.

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