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France offers stealth sub tech to Australia to bolster contract bid against Japan, Germany

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Let France or Germany rake care of this. Hapan might developed newer one than SoRyu class.

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It is the US view that closer Australia-Japan military ties will enhance the alliance building program in east Asia.

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@Ossan: China and Aussies are very good friend now. Aussie politicians dislike Japan as Japan insulted that Aussie people can not be eligible to work and all sort of stuck up comments on operating factories there,

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toshikoJul. 16, 2015 - 08:47AM JST @Ossan: China and Aussies are very good friend now. Aussie politicians dislike Japan as Japan insulted that Aussie people can not be eligible to work and all sort of stuck up comments on operating factories there,

As an Australian I can tell you that no, Australia and China are not 'very good friends' our relationship is a purely economic one. The majority of Australians are wary of Chinas expanding territorial claims and military expansion. No idea where you got the idea that Australian Politicians don't like Japan, that couldn't be further from the truth. Numerous Prime Ministers have visited Japan in their terms. The one politician that spoke out against what the Japanese officials said regarding our ability to build submarines was a relatively unknown, non-influential private MP who is known here under the colloquial term as a 's**t-stirer'. The Japanese officials are correct in their assessment, Australia does not have the technological capability nor the skilled workers to build a fleet of next gen subs, our Collins class submarines are a testament to that, absolute debacle that program was.

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I wonder if France is willing to build them in Australia. The joint venture with India to build subs is a nightmare taking 10 years to build just one sub ! !

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Alliance?... Come on, everybody knows no big or small alliance will "discourage" China from her rightful goals. More realistic is why not ask Chinese contractors to build for Aussies. Faster, cheaper, and it's not like China (or Russia or other competitors do not already know the secret tech).

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As an Australian I can tell you that no, Australia and China are not 'very good friends' our relationship is a purely economic one

Some data here from a 2014 survey:

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/country-rating-poll.pdf

Among countries surveyed in Asia, views are quite diverse. After Indonesia, Australia is the warmest country in the region towards Japan with 59 per cent of positive views (up 6 points) and 29 per cent of negative views (down 7 points)... negative views of Japan have grown particularly stark among its two close East Asian neighbours. In China, over the last year, negative ratings have gone up 16 points to an astonishing 90 per cent, and positive ratings have dropped from 17 to 5 per cent only. In South Korea, negative views have risen 12 points to almost four in five (79%). In South Korea and China, the negative sentiment is at its highest since 2006. Regarding the Japanese themselves, they have never rated their country so well: one in two (50%, up 5 points) think positively of their country’s influence in the world.

In the rest of Asia, opinions of China are widely diverse. In Australia, a significant increase in positive views (up 11 points) combined with a matching decrease in negative ratings has resulted in a shift in opinion, from leaning mainly negative in 2013 (36% positive vs 55% negative) to being divided in 2014 (47% positive vs 44% negative). Similarly, views have warmed a bit in South Korea following a nine-point increase in positive ratings, but they 38 remain negative overall (32% positive vs 56% negative). In Japan, negative perceptions have increased nine points, reaching 73 per cent and hitting a record high since 2005. Having only three per cent positive views, Japan also has the lowest positive opinion of China of all surveyed countries.

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I travel often to Jakarta, and Indonesians do not hold much favorable views towards Australia, and recently their views also have cooled towards Japan (Abe, Yasukuni, militarism) and are buying more Korean and Chinese cars, bikes, household appliances (latest data shows plunge in Japanese car sales, due to economic reasons too). In any case, Australia building new subs also making Indonesia uneasy, as both nations are in a love-hate situation. And Abbott paying off boat refugee smugglers and the posdible use of subs and navy to forcefully return/block boat refugees will incense/outrage Indonesia more, as the problems will be forced upon it. Indonesia seems to be more on the minds of Aussies in terms of military readiness, but Indonesia had a much bigger population (army too) like six times bigger.

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@ringman: There js a reason Indonesia mistrust Japan. In old time's custom Japan used to president Skurno and that was the end of such practice. Well Japanese Govt presented Princess Masako to Korean Crown Prince, A noble daughter to brother of Manchuria Emperor. So a young cabaret hostess was presrnted to Presented to Skaruno and she became First Lady. Then he became a dictator and they were ousted. Not only WW II time. I don;t blame them mistrust Japan.

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Australia needs to be very suspicious of this. If France is willing to share its secret technology with them then it is immediately devalued because, having shared it once, who knows when they will share it again to suit their own agendas.

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So subs decide WW3? Conservatives will spent much on it to be sure.

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