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France refers to Ghosn's rearrest in talks with Kono

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Well - Japan like France is a sovereign country - with their separate and distinct systems.

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Infact - France's Renault has uncovered enormous information about Ghon's money convulted trail to a dummy company "GOOD FAITH" via Oman, and Ghosn's unethical mismanagement of Renault -Nissan funds.

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Renault has consequently decided to withhold Ghosn's pension from 2014 on.

Also They will not honor the complete "resignation package" either

They will also not give him the full pay for 2018.

AND, they will strip him for his position as Director.

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Renault has forwarded the information to French Prosecutors - who will likely draw up charges that Ghosn would face, oncel the court issues i n Japan are done..

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Other International news sources report , that the re-arrest of Ghosn is based on hard evidence J prosecutors currently possess.

These records show a money trail showing that Ghosn siphoned off parts of payments to an Oman R-N firm through an account belonging to a dummy company in Lebanon..

The records show that about 27 million dollars were siphoned into a US-based investment-related firm run by Ghosn's son, and about 8 million dollars to a company represented by Ghosn's wife.

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Renault investigation has added to the above evidence.

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There is no 'palace' coup.

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In fact, Ghosn has been rearrested.

Fact, Nissan is a Japanese company.

Fact, Renault is a French company.

AND, Japan is a country.

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I think that Ghosn upset a lot of people at Nissan. It seemed to me that Nissan gave Ghosn a lot of power too. Some cultural differences may place big roles.

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quercetum, yes, 100% agreed. Japan is a country, Japanese are people.

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As long as the Japanese keep buying Beaujolais Noveau then Le Drian is Happy.

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Ghosn wasn't going anywhere and he was a threat to no one.... or was he? The plot thickens.

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Its interesting to me that the Gaimusho noted that Le Drian raised / touched on the issue of Ghosn and that Kono did not have time to respond, but declined to comment on what Le Drian actually said.

I mean, if the conversation was private, why did the Gaimusho provide any comment at all? And if it isn't private, why would they decline to comment on what Le Drian actually said?

I am not reading anything into this, I just find it interesting.

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but there was not enough time to respond

There’s always time to respond, always. But hey, how could he right? It’s instinctive to shut down when challenged over here. The armadillo method, roll into a ball and hope it goes away.

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Other International news sources report , that the re-arrest of Ghosn is based on hard evidence J prosecutors currently possess.

It really doesn't matter what they turn up. Once bail is granted, it is not revoked unless there is a bail violation. More evidence of wrong-doing has nothing to do with it.

And this is Japanese law we are talking about. The prosecutors seem to have crossed the line, which is why Ghosn's attorney is outraged.

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In fact, Ghosn has been rearrested.

Fact, Nissan is a Japanese company.

Fact, Renault is a French company.

AND, Japan is a country.

It's for insights like this that I have been reading this site for nearly 20 years.

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There is no point in talking to Kono about it. He has nothing to do with it nor does he care.

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If it was any other country, would any of the individuals defending this crass behaviour do the same? The hypocrisy is mind numbingly disgusting!!

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@Fred--sorry, it's not clear which side's crass behavior you intend to defend or criticize. Who's the lesser of the crass in your view?

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So many miss the point that this is not about the innocence or guilt of Ghosn anymore but this farce of a justice system.

The prosecutors may have caught a fish this time, or may be not, but it's usually only in third world dictatorships that they are allowed to lock someone up on weak allegations and go on an endless fishing trip looking for something to charge the person.

And rearresting him while on bail because "he might become a flight risk", when he's already proven he is not, is just crazy!

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Rearresting him while on bail because "he might become a flight risk", when he's already proven he is not, is just crazy

Proof that the isn't a justice system, only prosecution. Judge Dredo

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Punitive actions while already on bail means the prosecution holds their own courts in contempt and the courts didn't stop them

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French need to do more action

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JBird - totally.

As many of us have said multiple times - this is not about whether or not Ghosn is innocent or guilty - but of the the highly questionable system, whereby prosecutors have apparently unlimited powers. Their actions easily exceed those of police and in fact directly influence the so called independent judiciary.

And all of this wrapped up neatly in a denial of basic rights method (no lawyers present, no videoing, almost no communication with family, continual re-arrest after re-arrest etc etc) that would be abhorrent in any other major democracy.

It's up to the court to decide guilt, but here guilt is decided by the prosecutors and they will tread all over anyone in order to get a gulity verdict - which is almost certain when you've got a subservient complicit judiciary.

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All I can see is the French doing a whole heap of buttock licking obviously unprepared, as all governments are prone to do to, when their National interest supersedes that of their citizens which as we all know is 100% of the time. Isn’t it amazing that they manage to hoodwink everyone into thinking they belong to a nation and should be loyal to it but when it’s time to man up and protect one of its citizens they always throw them under the bus while pretending not to do that very thing. Israel seems to be an exception to this rule but who knows.

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@JBird and @browny1 are both spot on when speaking about what bothers so many of us about the Ghosn case.

It's not about whether he is innocent or guilty of what he is accused of. When he was first arrested, I was one who clearly said that he could well be guilty based on what I know of him.

However, until he is actually tried and found guilty, he should be presumed to be innocent. And that is where the Japanese legal system is hugely deficient. Not just for Ghosn, but for all defendants. And, yes, this is not unique to Japan. However, the subject at hand is Japan's legal system.

And there are literally 3 key issues with the Japanese legal system: 1) not only are suspects not allowed to have their lawyers present while being questioned but the presence of their lawyer is explicitly prohibited, 2) video recording of interviews is prohibited and prosecutors and police have vigorously fought any requirement for such video recording, and 3) the release of suspects before any trial, whether on bail or otherwise, usually only happens when the prosecutors agree to it, with courts typically rubber-stamping the prosecutors recommendations.

This means the system is not designed to find justice, but, rather, to convict!! Which means it is likely that innocent people get convicted. Again, not unique to Japan, but this is about Japan.

And THAT is why so many of us have an issue with how the Ghosn case is being handled.

I mean, OK, they have new charges to "re-arrest" on. Fine. Re-arrest him, formally charge him and then release him under the bail already in place.

But, no, they raid his home at 6 a.m., seize his wife's phone and passport, detain him, and clearly are looking to have his release on bail revoked because he has now suddenly a "flight risk" once again.... because of the new charges!!

THAT sounds like prosecutors abusing their powers and the system!!

Oh, and that brings us to the other issue that we have..... the selective, two-tiered nature of the justice system in Japan. Which, again, is not unique to Japan.

If you are connected / part of the inner circle / valuable to Japan Inc, you get treated one way. But if you are not, then you get the treatment that Ghosn is getting!!!

An utter travesty!!

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If you go to jail, something must be very wrong, as simple as that.

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Kenji, don’t expect the French to get all riled up about a miscarriage of justice on a RICH guy. Ain’t gunna happen. Their own media joined the bashing parade when he was first arrested.

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"It remains unclear what Le Drian actually said..." In other words, there's no story here.

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“There is no point in talking to Kono about it. He has nothing to do with it nor does he care.”

Au contraire. The Japanese Government, of which he is part, cares deeply........very very deeply. If they didn’t, they wouldn’t have organized this farcical stitch up.

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In fact, Ghosn has been rearrested.

Fact, Nissan is a Japanese company.

Fact, Renault is a French company.

AND, Japan is a country.

It's for insights like this that I have been reading this site for nearly 20 years.

That was my point and response to the first comment.

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french government sucks as well, money profit go first. citizen can be buried

without any hesitation.

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Punitive actions while already on bail means the prosecution holds their own courts in contempt and the courts didn't stop them.

In Japan, the prosecutor have become the judges, and the judges are just rubber stampers.

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@zones, well said.

@Akie, very insightful...

@Lindsay, Kono is the Foreign Minister so I’d say as Japan’s highest representative overseas (after the PM) he would be the right person to speak with.

Absurd the man was tear rested and bail revoked as he was considered a ‘flight risk’ after the new charges...why don’t they just chafe him before the court at his next appearance? Why does he have to be taken into custody, again??

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This report says it all: https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/6022407425001/#sp=show-clips

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Vernon thanks for the link....interesting timing to say the least..

'' Carlos Ghosn rearrested moments before Maria Bartiromo interview''

https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/6022407425001/#sp=show-clips

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Ex_Res... What you said! In spades! Lets put that rose- tinted spectacle factory out of business!

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Kono looks angry.   I think the French Minister said something impolite like most posters here.

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I think the French Minister said something impolite like most posters here.

Maybe he took the list of ministers to know the name of the Japanese one, and he said " Mr Taro, may I ask... ".

Seriously, anyone believes that Mr Le Drian, honest and proud son of a Renault worker cares for the fate of a Ghosn ? It's possible he mentioned the case just to do conversation, that or weather.

In other words, there's no story here.

Exactly. Their meeting was definitely not about that unimportant topic. They came to discuss about the Chinese and North Korean armies, etc.

Why does he have to be taken into custody, again??

$10 millions were just found missing from Papy Ghosn's accounts. Try that to do that at work and tell us if they let you go away while they recount...

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“If you go to jail, something must be very wrong, as simple as that”

Japanese who disagree with Ghosn’s atrocious treatment are very thin on the ground. Barely a squeak emanates from anyone except his own legal team. Where is the righteous anger directed toward a justice system that increasingly seems to have more in common with a Star Chamber than anything else. Conniving in their own disempowerment, there’s no shortage of willing dupes prepared to excuse, condone and cheer on odious legal maneuvering that is frankly medieval. Pastor Niemoller would’ve been appalled at such pusillanimity.

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oyatoi... "where is the righteous anger..?" the righteous anger was beaten out of the Japanese by the despotic Tokugawa shoguns, the Meiji genro, the Imperialist Japanese Army, and the politicians who reasserted the Meiji Constitution, in spirit, if not in letter, after MacArthur left. You want righteous anger? .... bring back the glory days of Taisho jidai or Sengoku jidai! Oh yeah!

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Akie Apr. 6  01:11 pm JST

If you go to jail, something must be very wrong, as simple as that.

Are you saying just being arrested automatically makes a person guilty?

In a sense, though, you are correct. If someone goes to jail, they either really did commit the crime, or they were unjustly imprisoned.

Either way, something is very wrong.

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