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Gargling solution flies off shelves after Osaka governor touts anti-virus effect

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Leave science to the scientists.

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Many people here gargle morning and evening regularly, in the belief that it wards off colds and flu, the idea being that it catches any initial or starting colony at the back of the tongue and throat.

I guess this is the origin of amusing suggestions of gargling with whisky, etc.

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"Perhaps we can even overcome the coronavirus with gargling medicine,"

Yeah, and perhaps -- actually almost certainly -- this is going to come back and haunt you VERY soon. I'm only surprised politicians haven't appeared in the commercials yet, or also claimed the products are not only helpful against the virus, but contain minus-ions, destroy pollen, and maybe even quench your thirst if swallowed.

Morons. The worst part is the people rushing to buy this stuff off the shelves are the type who: A) are going to resell it after buying out the shops (like certain lawmakers), or B) think they are safe just buy gargling and then ignore other common sense prevention methods.

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Mr Yoshimura desperately need more scientific advisors, he is terribly confused about the meaning of the research he is using to justify his declarations.

This is like saying that anti-fever medicine reduces the transmission of the disease because it makes none of the contacts of positive cases develop a fever.

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This is like saying that anti-fever medicine reduces the transmission of the disease because it makes none of the contacts of positive cases develop a fever.

I understand the analogy. I'm curious though, could gargling potentially kill some of the virus in the person's mucus/saliva, therefore giving less virus to be expelled by the person from their breath to infect others?

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A doctor on TV warned gargling may spread corona viruses.

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I understand the analogy. I'm curious though, could gargling potentially kill some of the virus in the person's mucus/saliva, therefore giving less virus to be expelled by the person from their breath to infect others?

I'm getting downvotes for this, but I ask Rex as an honest question, seeing as he's basically the only one here who actually knows what he's talking about. It's not a loaded question.

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This photo makes him look like a late-night infomercial salesman.

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virusrexToday  04:22 pm JST

Mr Yoshimura desperately need more scientific advisors, he is terribly confused about the meaning of the research he is using to justify his declarations.

 It was pretty painful to watch. He actually said it's a true story which is like a lie- you don't say. 

All you have to do is gargle four times a day with this miracle product. Of course it was tested against other gargling products and plain water to prove it's superiority, I'm sure. Listerine is still freely available, I see.

 Wonder how much Kaigen and Meiji 'donated' to him for that travesty of a press conference.

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I'm not an expert, but this is just idiotic and irresponsible.

This:

a study showed a smaller viral load in the saliva of 41 patients with mild symptoms after regular gargling 

By no means justifies this comment by a senior elected official:

Perhaps we can even overcome the coronavirus with gargling medicine

At just 41 patients the sample size isn't big enough to draw any conclusions from, but for the sake of argument lets put that aside. The fact is all the study at best indicates is that the saliva in your mouth will have slightly less virus in it after gargling.

The problem of course is that if the virus is in your mouth it has already spread to your lungs and the rest of you, which is where it will do the most damage. Having a bit less of it in your mouth isn't going to help you.

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Mouthwash companies are happy though to get that face mask and toilet paper money. Who knows? Maybe his bank account grew a little after this.

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Did he buy shares in Meiji Holdings Co. on Monday?

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It likely isn't going to protect you against infection but i believe it may likely reduce the viral load in your mouth and reduce the risk of spreading to others which is kind of useless.

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I recommend Guinness.

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It likely isn't going to protect you against infection but i believe it may likely reduce the viral load in your mouth and reduce the risk of spreading to others

This is what I'm wondering. Can anyone confirm if this is correct or not?

which is kind of useless.

Why is that useless? You don't think there is any use in reducing the spread to others?

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The problem of course is that if the virus is in your mouth it has already spread to your lungs and the rest of you, which is where it will do the most damage. Having a bit less of it in your mouth isn't going to help you.

Exactly

Common sense ain't common.

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Anything to make my breath better. I will give it a go.

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This guy should be impeached for fraud, and endangering the lives of the people at the very least. Government corruption at its worst!

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At least he didn't recommend using bleach...

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Leave science to the scientists.

When has ANYTHING in this pandemic had any science on it?

Lockdowns? No science

Closing borders? No science

Masks? Low evidence science for general public use, no science for cloth masks (in fact there is a study that shows cloth masks sucks)

Face shields? No science

Plastic barriers in weird places? No science

Limiting hours a business can be open? No science

Lighting the rainbow bridge red? No science

Telling people to not scream in roller coasters to prevent infections? No science
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Strangerland, you might be right that some of these products might reduce the viral count in your mouth and digestive system.

However, this is a respiratory virus, I don’t think I need to remind anyone how much it hurts when you accidentally “breath” a liquid. Or I guess you have to gargle through your nose? Either way, you don’t want any kind of liquid in your lungs. (And your body will let you know it doesn’t like it, it’s called choking)

Coughing is initiated from your throat, and not your mouth, so doesn’t help for that either. (Well separated from your digestive tract)

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Strangerland, you might be right that some of these products might reduce the viral count in your mouth and digestive system.

To be clear, it’s not a claim, it’s a hypothesis. And I’m very not qualified to know if the hypothesis is valid, which is why I asked the non-loaded question to Virusrex, whom I believe is much more qualified to answer.

Or if someone else can show something.

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Also, I’m only questioning gargling. I think drinking this stuff is almost definitely not a good idea.

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This guy should be impeached for fraud, and endangering the lives of the people at the very least. Government corruption at its worst!

I think that distinction has been earned by the LDP " leadership" many times over.

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I recommend Guinness.

Guinness is good for you!

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Moron, people will die because they think this will help them, it's a virus not a sore throat!!

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Did he buy shares in Meiji Holdings Co. on Monday?

My first thought too. They should investigate his friends, family etc for any recent stock purchases.

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I understand the analogy. I'm curious though, could gargling potentially kill some of the virus in the person's mucus/saliva, therefore giving less virus to be expelled by the person from their breath to infect others?

In theory yes, but in practice is very difficult to think this would have any effect that can be noticed.

The secretions of the mouth, nose and throat are being constantly produced and swallowed so it is expected that any viruses present are also continuously "refreshed", gargling iodine would reduce very importantly the viruses present but only for a very short amount of time. Unless the person is constantly gargling the risk of spreading the infection would quickly go back up.

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Strangerland, no way I am qualified to answer your perfectly valid question, but from my understanding we usually get the virions landing and sticking to the membranes of our upper respiratory tract first, where they take a while to gain a foothold and make intrusive attacks into the body cells. The body's defences go into some kind of action there, and I have heard suggestions that some dead'uns can be washed/swallowed into the stomach acid and passed out of the system.

Gargling, if it works, would be aiming at this middle camp ground.

Covid-19 's worst-case scenario is when in some people it finds its way from there into the blood system, and both sides of the lung walls, as blood clots, and cloudy sticky/crackly pneumonia, blocking the blood oxygenation process.

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I once believed that ginger would help me prevent getting a sore throat in winter. I ate it raw and one time overdid it and felt sick. The reality is that once the virus is in your cells multiplying, the external cleansing will not get rid of it, though it may stimulate mucus that clears it and then is swallowed. I hope no one overdoes it on this stuff, it can't be good doing it everyday and must stain the teeth, etc.

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For a long time in Japan, gargling has been touted as a preventative measure for seasonal colds and flu. About 5-6 years ago the recommendations were dropped as research showed you would need to gargle every 20mins to have any sort of benefit. Old wives’ tale.

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Strangerland, no way I am qualified to answer your perfectly valid question, but from my understanding we usually get the virions landing and sticking to the membranes of our upper respiratory tract first, where they take a while to gain a foothold and make intrusive attacks into the body cells. The body's defences go into some kind of action there, and I have heard suggestions that some dead'uns can be washed/swallowed into the stomach acid and passed out of the system.

Gargling, if it works, would be aiming at this middle camp ground.

Seeing as gargling is done with an open mouth you would almost surely be expelling a certain amount of a combined mouthwash/mucus mix out into the air, probably in a bathroom, probably where people other than you will use the basin, taps etc.

So on top of the issue that the virus is respiratory, even if there is a reduced viral load in your mouth, the very act of gargling seems counterproductive to reducing the spread of infection.

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Honestly, Japan redefines gullible!

No wonder Dentsu is doing so well!

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I own stock so keep buying, suckers. Hydroxychloroquine anyone? Load a garbage but I am not buying so who cares?

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I guess this is the origin of amusing suggestions of gargling with whisky, etc.

Hey! Just as long as you swallow the whiskey and disinfect your insides along the way!

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Well, some people pray, some gargle.

What floats your boat I suppose.

The things Yoshimura does for attention...

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Using that stuff too much causes other problems. Be careful!

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The New Osaka Model : Gargle.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

Hm... we have another Trump here.

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In theory yes, but in practice is very difficult to think this would have any effect that can be noticed.

The secretions of the mouth, nose and throat are being constantly produced and swallowed so it is expected that any viruses present are also continuously "refreshed", gargling iodine would reduce very importantly the viruses present but only for a very short amount of time. Unless the person is constantly gargling the risk of spreading the infection would quickly go back up.

Thank you. Makes perfect sense.

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About 5-6 years ago the recommendations were dropped as research showed you would need to gargle every 20mins to have any sort of benefit. Old wives’ tale.

I'm a little puzzled by that. Say you've just been recently infected, during a shopping trip say. If you gargle immediately after getting home, is there not a chance it will kill the infection. Like Strangerland, I'm not qualified to pass a medical opinion. But the basic physics suggests it is a reasonable conjecture.

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Maybe you could shine some kind of strong light into the body, you know, like to kill the virus. Maybe you should look into that, right? Or maybe some disinfectant into the lungs to kill the virus immediately?

The virus is going to disappear like magic very soon anyway. Just like everything does. I think Japan is in a very good position on the virus. Doing very well. Beautifully. Not as beautiful as America, but doing great. Cases are going down everywhere in the world.

Japan should stop testing and the cases would go down and the virus will disappear. I did a magnificent job of saving billions of lives by my actions, so Japan should thank me and the US should get a portion of the money of this gargle, because we invented gargle.

And start using HydroxyYosemite. Many people tell me it works beautifully.

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When nothing to say that is actually accurate. Please do not waste precious time.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Be ahead of the curve , learn about the virus and it's origins, and what's coming next.

Keep up to date with the way the CCP think, by watching GTV.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Just what the world needs, another right-wing populist snake oil salesman. Yoshimura is a charlatan.

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lemmings! I wish the mayor would announce that everyone donates me a 1oo yen in exchange for a prayer from me that would guranteed your saftey for the virus. You might as well go clear off the shelf of listernine. This is horrendously ridiculous funny and shows you how many have no brains. Monkey see monkey do.

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I'm a little puzzled by that. Say you've just been recently infected, during a shopping trip say. If you gargle immediately after getting home, is there not a chance it will kill the infection. Like Strangerland, I'm not qualified to pass a medical opinion. But the basic physics suggests it is a reasonable conjecture

The problem is that most processes in microbiology are incredibly fast, the virus begins entering the cells literally seconds after being in contact, and between 15 to 20 minutes all the viruses that are able to enter the cells already did. Once the virus is inside nothing that would not produce a sever chemical burn can do anything to stop the virus from replicating.

In comparison is just much more effective not letting the cells be exposed to the virus in the first place.

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The problem is that most processes in microbiology are incredibly fast, the virus begins entering the cells literally seconds after being in contact, and between 15 to 20 minutes all the viruses that are able to enter the cells already did. Once the virus is inside nothing that would not produce a sever chemical burn can do anything to stop the virus from replicating.

More interesting info. At what point in this does the immune system (ideally) protect us? Does the immune system prevent the virus from entering the cells in the first place, or prevent it from replicating after entering the cells? Or...?

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Don't let a good crysis go to waste,What a huge marketing campaign! Monkey see! Monkey do!

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More interesting info. At what point in this does the immune system (ideally) protect us? Does the immune system prevent the virus from entering the cells in the first place, or prevent it from replicating after entering the cells? Or...?

Depends of what part of the immune system is acting but in general both things. Antibodies neutralize viruses that are outside the cells so they cannot infect other cells, cytokines can make cells self-destruct when infected so the viruses cannot replicate, and leukocytes can detect and destroy cells with active virus replication before they release the virus.

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Thanks! Very interesting stuff.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Pushing up stock prices a bit there by the sounds of it to me....

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