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G20 talks end in India with no consensus on Ukraine war

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Some folks who don't know better will criticize India for profiting from the discounts on Russian oil, but the West is also profiting indirectly by importing refined oil products from India.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-05/oil-s-new-map-how-india-turns-russia-crude-into-the-west-s-fuel

https://m.thewire.in/article/political/experts-link-rise-of-indian-refineries-product-sales-to-us-and-surge-in-russian-crude-imports/amp

The US has now emerged as the biggest purchaser of refined oil products from India. So in a way, US is also taking advantage of the discounts that India gets on Russian oil.

All these sanctions on Russian oil are for optics only, mainly for their domestic audience.

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G20 talks end in India with no consensus on Ukraine war

There was never going to be a consensus with G20 member Russia involved in a brutal invasion, and China unable to criticize Russia's invasion, while most of the rest were more than prepared to condemn Russia in the strongest possible terms. India as always is sitting on the fence watching things unfold and its only position is that using nuclear weapons is intolerable and must not occur.

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".....  it would have been a collective statement....".

Of course, with China and Russia being present - expect down-voting and boycotting only!

How come they're still represented at the G20 and other international organizations?

Especially Russia should be kicked out, they got no right or reason to be present!

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" . . . no consensus on Ukraine war."

Isn't that sad? You'd think that the civilized nations could at least agree that this war of aggression is dead wrong. Putin must be chuckling to himself by this news.

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Countries pursue their own interests and also not all of them buy the notion that the US is always right and that Russia is eveil and intent on taking over the world

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Another confirmation that US plus EU/west is not equal to WORLD.

US have to get it right and find own place on Earth.

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Blinken do not speak for all American,he speak for his flexless self

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Blinken is a failure,I think he one Hillary yes man,never heard of him before

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russia should never have been allowed to attend. They were never going to agree to a condemnation of their criminal actions and China has its own plans to steal other peoples countries so they won’t agree.

India has been tied to russia’s apron strings since the 1940’s and is not an ally of the west save only in relation to China and there it will find its self in difficulties as russia has become a subservient client state to China and they are heavily reliant on second rate russian military equipment for their armed forces.

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Hehehe. USA discovered it doesn’t own the world. I read this morning that they are preparing sanctions to the traitors.

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US has no legal authority to declare a person a war criminals,the US is not a member of the ICC ,this classification is no more than political,their is no federal statue that an American can be charge as a war criminals

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India has been tied to russia’s apron strings since the 1940’s and is not an ally of the west save only in relation to China

You have everything in reverse.

It's you British and therefore, by extension, the Americans, who decided to favour Pakistan instead of India during the Cold War.

Churchill hated Gandhi but liked the Oxford educated Jinnah and therefore he decided that it's better to trust Pakistan (he also preferred Muslims to Hindus because he found similarities between Islam and Christianity) and all subsequent British governments followed the same policy.

Ask yourself whether you were on the right side of history when the US and UK ignored the genocide in East Pakistan and threatened India instead.

Indians remain eternally grateful to the Russians for their role in preventing the US, UK and China from intervening on the side of Pakistan. Consider it as India returning the favour, both to Russia and to the West.

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Obviously not all countries are buying the west/nato narrative. Remember russia, india and china are amongst the most populated countries on earth.

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Evil ,India still has Caste system,that they try to promote around the world,and even the US were citizen from India,that practice caste discrimination have been prosecuted Google Microsoft Caste System Policy

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Russia is the largest country in the world with only 143 million people, not enough to stop an invasion.

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Food for thought, no agenda except peaceful resolution!

1) Much of world views Russia as war monger barbaric invasion force committing war crimes, terrorism etc.

Eg. Russia's invasion of Crimea in 2014 was not legal

2) Much of world views ethic Russians living in Ukraine as targets of Ukrainian Govt. sanctioned genocide and NATO using Ukraine to conduct proxy war against Russia

Eg. EU officially admonished present Ukrainian Govt. numerous times for 'anti-democratic' behavior towards their ethnic Russian Ukrainian citizens, including damaging property and voting rights etc.

No middle ground folks, both sides REALLY believe they stand on 'high/morale' ground etc. Support for this 'war'/'special operation' VERY high within both countries

Like ANY complex difficult conflict, both sides have at some merits, rather than continue to just talk past each other, reasonable rational compromise urgently needed otherwise true costs to EVERYONE Globally will continue to dangerously increase senselessly!

Nuff said, please no HATE, love and peace are the true answers!

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MattewLee, bravo for the article. No preferences, plain covering. No propaganda This is real journalism.

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Interesting question's "When will the war end?" Not likely soon unfortunately - should SCARE everyone!

Ukraine's simply being used, outsourcing of combat troops, while great powers, their corrupt interests and influencers put ENTIRE world at increasing GRAVE risk of WWIII not to mention the ongoing adverse effects on global food and energy supplies, inflation, pandemic etc.

China - BIGGEST beneficiary of all this madness!

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China can’t have it both ways

Not a fan of US, but yes, China can't have it both ways. They proposed to respect "sovereignity of all countries", and they should respect Taiwan. Well, if they claim that Taiwan is not a country, let the people in Taiwan vote on the issue. After all, it is the people that matter.

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Russian government has failed to understand or even comprehend how reckless and foolishly it allowed Putinism, his toxic principles, doctrines to poison and ultimately betraying his people.

Russian natural resourses could have provided global respect, economic industrial dominance without picking up a weapon.

The fact that the Government of India cowering in subservience is evidence enough.

The Government of China is also dependent on Russian energy.

Energy Fact Sheet: Why does Russian oil and gas matter?

One of the world’s top oil producers and exporters

https://www.iea.org/articles/energy-fact-sheet-why-does-russian-oil-and-gas-matter

Yet President of Russia Vladimir Putin decided to forge his legacy invading a neighbour Ukraine

Together Russia Ukraine were the founding members of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Putin turning Ukraine into a battleground must come close to emulating one of the most infamous blunders in military history, the Charge of the Light Brigade. Just that Putin decided to charge his entire army into the valley most will never return.

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Most of Asia has taken a neutral or pro-Russia stance. From my understanding the only countries to be aggressive against Russia are Israel, Japan, Taiwan, Georgia, Papua New Guinea and South Korea, and of that the Israelis and Koreans have been maintaining good ties with Russia due to other geopolitical issue.

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No consensus? The reality is the world is split into two . US vassal states and the rest of the world.

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Fredrik....

Well, if they claim that Taiwan is not a country, let the people in Taiwan vote on the issue. After all, it is the people that matter.

When polled the people of Taiwan spoke on the issue. The vast majority wanted the status quo.... NOT independence and NOT full integration with the mainland. Something that rarely gets mentioned when other countries use Taiwan to bash China.

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Like ANY complex difficult conflict, both sides have at some merits, rather than continue to just talk past each other, reasonable rational compromise urgently needed otherwise true costs to EVERYONE Globally will continue to dangerously increase senselessly!

How much territory of your country would you be willing to surrender?

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No consensus? The reality is the world is split into two . US vassal states and the rest of the world.

That's just another way of saying Russia and China ain't got no friends.

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When polled the people of Taiwan spoke on the issue. The vast majority wanted the status quo.... NOT independence and NOT full integration with the mainland. Something that rarely gets mentioned when other countries use Taiwan to bash China.

Now do the poll without a gun to the head of Taiwan in the form of the PLA/PLN. The polls also show only 33% view themselves as Chinese:

https://apnews.com/article/taiwan-china-mao-zedong-international-news-asia-pacific-c8a1f7669442b2b86ddff1563c3bd0e9

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Indians remain eternally grateful to the Russians for their role in preventing the US, UK and China from intervening on the side of Pakistan. Consider it as India returning the favour, both to Russia and to the West.

As long as you are clear on why nobody views India as having the moral high ground on anything anymore.

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How much territory of your country would you be willing to surrender?

Not the right question....

How much are you willing to sacrifice in order to preserve this territorial legal right?

One must also ask how much is Russia willing to sacrifice to prevent a genocide against ethnic Russians inside Ukraine, prevent NATO from further incursion etc.?

If we're talking about Ukraine, things to consider include:

1) % of ethnic Russian Ukrainian citizens in 4 recently annexed areas

2) Ditto for Crimea 2014 territorial take-over

Independent Gallop polling, conducted prior to Feb 2022 invasion, +90% in Crimea preferred Russian over Ukrainian citizenship. Seems same result will likely occur with these 4 annexed areas if I had to wager...

3) Damage to Ukranian economy, infrastructure due to conflict

4) Loss in population due to conflict, both death and migration abroad

5) Risk of escalation and greater loss of life both inside Ukraine and elsewhere

6) Future viability of the country itself

7) Anyone really think joining NATO will make Ukraine and world safer?

Legal and property rights matter little if everything's destroyed and constant state of war ensues. There needs to be settlement because with every passing day Ukraine is being destroyed/see above, not to mention small matters like WWIII!

Idealism's not a strategy, settlement/compromise strictly 'greater good'

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You take the fact that Russia doesn't condemn itself as a confirmation of this belief? Doesn't take much, I guess.

Another confirmation that US plus EU/west is not equal to WORLD.

US have to get it right and find own place on Earth.

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One must also ask how much is Russia willing to sacrifice to prevent a genocide against ethnic Russians inside Ukraine

This was always a canard. Russia can't even stick to this story. They failed to bring in independent monitors so we can rightly assume this is all BS.

prevent NATO from further incursion etc.?

An illegal basis for war.

1) % of ethnic Russian Ukrainian citizens in 4 recently annexed areas

2) Ditto for Crimea 2014 territorial take-over

Independent Gallop polling, conducted prior to Feb 2022 invasion, +90% in Crimea preferred Russian over Ukrainian citizenship. Seems same result will likely occur with these 4 annexed areas if I had to wager...

Boy it would be a shame if that were also an illegal basis for war.

3) Damage to Ukranian economy, infrastructure due to conflict

4) Loss in population due to conflict, both death and migration abroad

5) Risk of escalation and greater loss of life both inside Ukraine and elsewhere

6) Future viability of the country itself

7) Anyone really think joining NATO will make Ukraine and world safer?

The Ukrainians rightly realize that enslavement would result if they allow a Nazi Russia takeover and Russia already can't be trusted to stop stealing things and allow a full armament of Ukraine to keep the criminals out.

Legal and property rights matter little if everything's destroyed and constant state of war ensues. There needs to be settlement because with every passing day Ukraine is being destroyed/see above, not to mention small matters like WWIII! 

Imagine the Russian being forced to acknowledge that his empire is dead. That is the objective here because:

Idealism's not a strategy, settlement/compromise strictly 'greater good'

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Russia is a country with a population a little more than Mexico's, a Gross Domestic Product a little more than Spain's, and over a thousand nuclear weapons left over from the Soviet Union. In the words of John McCain, Russia is basically a gas station with nuclear weapons. Putin's dreams of re-establishing the Russian Empire are far from realistic. Instead of dumping most of the country's wealth into building up the armed forces for the last 23 years, he should have been rebuilding the country's economy and infrastructure. But that is not the way a corrupt, homicidal maniac thinks.

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