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Japan's export curbs on chip-making equipment to China take effect

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Sad to watch the declining empire forcing it's vassals to place sanctions on China in a failed effort to slow down it's economy.

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Mr KiplingToday 05:32 pm JST

Sad to watch the declining empire forcing it's vassals to place sanctions on China in a failed effort to slow down it's economy.

Stock Market Up. Dollar Strong. Troops Safe.

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However, industry minister Yasutoshi Nishimura has said the impact on domestic companies will likely be limited as the export controls target "extremely advanced" technology.

If the exports to China are important enough to have a meaning for that country, that means they are much more likely to have an impact on the Japanese companies.

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The sanctions against Russia worked so well they decided to have a go at China. Good luck with that.

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Pathetic tit for tat politics. Just slowing down technological innovation that could help us solve real issues.

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Mr KiplingToday  05:32 pm JST

Sad to watch the declining empire forcing it's vassals to place sanctions on China in a failed effort to slow down it's economy.

Wrong on every point. The USA is far from "declining", our allies are not "vassals" and our efforts will successfully slow down Chinese militarism and expansion. But you earned your 50 cents today.

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Sad to watch the declining empire forcing it's vassals to place sanctions on China in a failed effort to slow down it's economy.

The first error made by pro autocrats is they consider nations close to them but smaller to be their vassals, and they transfer that to the US as well. The difference is those working with the US do not consider themselves as vassals because they are not. The US considers them as partners. But they (pro autocrats) feel good in miss labeling such partnerships and making incorrect assertions, as they have a habit of doing. One reason they rarely do well when dealing with democracies is they simply do not understand them. Those under China or Russia are forced to comply because they "are vassals".

The US has its domestic issues, fueled by autocrats attempting to topple America from the inside. But unlike Russia and China, America has friends and partners that will help the US weather any storm, voluntarily and enthusiastically.

China needs to be reigned in for its belligerent ambitions to dominate and coerce others. Nations rally around the US in order to cooperate and do just that. It remains a work in progress and is only required to stop a hostile China who dreams of dominating Taiwan and forcing its 25 million citizens under the boot of CCP rule. Is it any wonder the West and allies work together to maintain the system that has maintained growth and security for a majority of the worlds people for so long.

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Anyone who reads the internal memos of GHQ will realize there is a strict policy in place to go to great lengths in order to avoid giving the impression that the US regards it's "partners" as vassals...and yet all one needs to do is observe what happens when a "partner" doesn't do what is in the "best interests" of the "partner"

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Half-cooked action !

Japan, the USA and the Dutch government should cut its diplomatic ties with the da-kine PRO China and re-establish links with ROC-TW.

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LegrandeJuly 23 09:51 pm JST

Anyone who reads the internal memos of GHQ

There hasn't been a GHQ since 1952, but thank you for trying.

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@Taiwan

LegrandeJuly 23 09:51 pm JST

Anyone who reads the internal memos of GHQ

There hasn't been a GHQ since 1952, but thank you for trying

They follow the same playbook today as they did then. If you read similar internal memos for Iraq etc. you wil find the same underhanded tactics at play.

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^

So yes Taiwan you've lost yet again, of course unless your big brother comes to your rescue again.

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Japan gets a guest pass for the Anglo-American Sanctions Team and shoots itself in the foot at the same time.

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U.S chip restrictions on China are now proving to create cracks inside the U.S. The U.S chip lobby called the semiconductor industry Association has called on Joe Biden to end all chip export restrictions on China.

The US has lost the Chip Wars as its own companies cry "uncle" and rebel against its own government's policies.

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The US has its domestic issues, fueled by autocrats attempting to topple America from the inside. But unlike Russia and China, America has friends and partners that will help the US weather any storm, voluntarily and enthusiastically.

The US has autocrats and coporate executives that dictate through donations. China has only the CCP. I don't see how Australia and Japan the so called friends and partners can do anything to help this situation.

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These curbs on China, along with the other policies the US has put in place, will also be effective, but will also take time. If they had no effect, China wouldn't be crying so loudly about them.

The people who wanted the "curbs on China" don't want them anymore. China made two moves and they're asking Biden to end the ban on chip exports.

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 and our efforts will successfully slow down Chinese militarism and expansion. 

Rare earth elements are used in a wide range of items: communications equipment, precision-guided weapons, night-vision goggles, and stealth technology. So you can slow down China but you create another problem as well.

After Blinken visited China, he's met with Nvidia, Qualcomm and Intel with Leo Briainerd, Gina Raimondo and Jake Sullivan. The US initiated chip war has not gone as expected. They are thinking of changing policies because it is no longer a chip war but a crisis for the chip companies.

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Five thousand years ago, the Chinese faced floods like the ancient Egyptians (Xia dynasty 2200 BCE).

Four thousand years ago, the Chinese played with bronze like the Babylonians (bronze weapons triangle dagger-axes, swords, and spearheads in burial sites.)

Three thousand years ago, the Chinese thought about philosophy like the ancient Greeks (Confucius, Sun-Tzu, Lao-Tzu, Mencius.)

Two thousand years ago, the Chinese marched everywhere like the Romans. (Han dynasty)

A thousand years ago, they were as wealthy as the Arabs (Tang dynasty)

Six hundred fifty years ago, the Chinese beefed up their defense and defeated the Mongols. (Ming dynasty)

Now, China is competing with America but the US offensive tactics are not sustainable as they end up hurting the US itself.

For five thousand years, China has been playing mahjong on the world's mahjong table; the opponents just change and have been doing so for many rounds. The US is not even on the same level as someof the others.

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It certainly hasn't. They will be ongoing for years, degrading China's capacity over time. 

You're right. It's just the ban on exports is taking a different direction. They do not want to lose the Chinese market. Rare earths aren't rare but the the process and production aren't a piece of cake either.

Where have you read this? Please provide a source.

We've been through this. It's certainly not from reading. "It's hot today. Going to Baird Beer in Nakameguro for one or two." "What are your sources?" This is about what this is like. Take it or leave it.

What ancient dynasties did thousands of years ago is essentially of no relevance to the modern-day CCP.

I would disagree. The years of the Tang dynasty contained China’s greatest successes and helped create a pattern that China would continue throughout the Song and Ming dynasties, and into early modern times.

The US is a superpower. China is a rising superpower. China's rise is going to be slow and steady. They're policies are for 50 and 100 years later. The US has no policies for 2070.

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China needs to be reigned in for its belligerent ambitions to dominate and coerce others. Nations rally around the US in order to cooperate and do just that.

The Chinese focus on harmony, while the Romans focus on conquest. The ideals of virtue in the Confucian classics are very different from those, eg power through conquest, as presented in the Aeneid. The US is closer to the Romans.

What ancient dynasties did thousands of years ago is essentially of no relevance to the modern-day CCP.

Instructed by the antiquary times, He must, he is, he cannot but be wise - Shakespeare.

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I'll quote Mike Tyson: Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

This applies perfectly to the US chip companies. The Semidonductor Industry Association has a plan to restrict chip exports to China until they get punched in the mouth by the CCP. They are hurting. You can look up and read your sources. They don't tell a different story.

As for non-US chip companies, Samsung took a 3.8T Won loss in a single quater. That's 95 percent and 3 billion dollars. That's what you get for obeying the US. What is the US doing about its allies' losses?

our allies are not "vassals" 

They are used and discarded.

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Without concrete sources I'll leave it, thanks.

I cannot reveal my sources and post it here.

If you want your type of resources, read it yourself.

U.S. chip lobby presses Biden to refrain from further China curbs

July 17 (Reuters) - The U.S.-based Semiconductor Industry Association trade group on Monday called on the Biden administration to "refrain from further restrictions" on chip sales to China as chief executives from the biggest U.S. semiconductor firms planned to visit Washington this week to press their views on China policy.

The statement came as the Biden administration considers updating a sweeping set of rules imposed in October to hobble China's chip industry and a new executive order restricting some outbound investment.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-chip-lobby-presses-biden-refrain-further-china-curbs-2023-07-17/

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The competition today for those 5 Mao bills is overwhelming.

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The competition today for those 5 Mao bills is overwhelming.

Your ally took a 3 billion dollar loss in one quarter. You think they are doing do willingly?

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That article says nothing about a policy change - just about companies (like Nvidia) wanting to make money in spite of national security risks, as I noted earlier.

I was trying to speak your langauge or links to biased reporting. The bottom line is what I posted....

After Blinken visited China, he's met with Nvidia, Qualcomm and Intel with Leo Briainerd, Gina Raimondo and Jake Sullivan. The US initiated chip war has not gone as expected. They are thinking of changing policies because it is no longer a chip war but a crisis for the chip companies.

It is a crisis for chip companies because of loss of revenue and the Chinese market. They are in the business of making money and not getting Biden re-elected.

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That article says nothing about a policy change -

Let me spell it out for you. There will be no raw materials to make the chips to be banned. In the end, US chip exports to other countries will take a big hit because of the high costs.

The lobbyist will suffer badly if China restricts more rare earth materials. When the US lifts the chip export band, China may not continue with rare earth restriction to US. That's because the CCP is only responding to the US ban - tit for tat - and not out to get the US. Soft compared to the US autocrats.

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The trade deficit will increase as South Korea exports a large amount of semiconductors to China and is removed from the white list due to unnecessary friction with Japan.

If South Korea followed the US and stopped exporting semiconductors, there may have been a way to export to other countries. However, the former president of South Korea foolishly shared a dream with China.

South Korea has a military alliance with the United States, but the day may soon come when it will be abandoned by the United States. In fact, Trump was seriously considering withdrawing troops from the Korean peninsula. There is no guarantee that there will not be a president who succeeds him. Nobody likes bats in Grimm's Fairy Tales.

China previously banned exports of rare earths to Japan as well due to political harassment, but Japan produced many products that did not require rare earths, and China's export restrictions ended in failure. It was also China that embargoed Australian coal exports and caused power shortages.

There is no doubt that China is causing regional friction and causing territorial disputes, and oppression of ethnic minorities is also commonly practiced.

China is the lowest form of communism that only wields unjust violence.

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