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Freaking about time. It took weeks of watching civilians getting murdered by missile attacks for no reason on TV to get people to start getting out of their "heiwa boke". The world is changing rapidly, and unfortunately for the worse. So prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

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First thing is find the Target,locate the GPS coordinates,pick the weapon ,program the weapon,launch it too the target

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Whether Japan obtains standoff strike ability or not, its enemies/adversaries will, regardless.

Delaying any decision is only stealing the nation's own security development.

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Ossian, Japanese are sitting duck,no place to run

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Reunification of Taiwan

Thats a correct description

Its eminent.

Nothing Japan can do about it anyway.

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Japan already has the capability to defend itself with the 9th largest military budget in the world. It was clear from the start that the LDP would use Ukraine as a pretext to militarize. No army in the world stands to protect its citizens but to protect the interests of its country's super rich. Those in power in Japan, just like any nationalists, talk about protecting the country while nostalgic for times when other countries needed protection from their heroes.

-3 ( +10 / -13 )

Just no.

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Don't trust America, they will abandon you like they did the Afghans.

Change article 9 and build your best insurance.

Nuclear Weapons !

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This is the correct move for Japan. Glad it is finally happening.

Japan has the right to strike at enemy nations in order to defend herself in war - just as all other nations do. And, as we have seen the past 2 months, there are certainly some rogue, horrible neighbors to potentially defend against.

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Japan already has the capability to defend itself with the 9th largest military budget in the world. It was clear from the start that the LDP would use Ukraine as a pretext to militarize. No army in the world stands to protect its citizens but to protect the interests of its country's super rich. Those in power in Japan, just like any nationalists, talk about protecting the country while nostalgic for times when other countries needed protection from their heroes.

People here live in a fairytale world, where America, much like in the movies, will always save the common folk.

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Don't trust America, they will abandon you like they did the Afghans.

You are silly. America has been in Japan longer than it was in Afghanistan. It's also in America's best interests to have a staging area in Asia close to China and North Korea. Unless America pulls out and removes the protective umbrella over Japan, Japan will be just fine.

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First thing is find the Target,locate the GPS coordinates,pick the weapon ,program the weapon,launch it too the target

In a war with either China or Russia there won't be any GPS. Aside from various ways to jam or spoof GPS, both nations can shoot the satellites down.

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egads man!

You are silly. America has been in Japan longer than it was in Afghanistan. It's also in America's best interests to have a staging area in Asia close to China and North Korea. Unless America pulls out and removes the protective umbrella over Japan, Japan will be just fine.

When China aims missiles at New York, Los Angeles, Washington or any other American Big City I don't think the United States do something for Japan maybe they'll say "I'm sorry".

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Japan already has the capability to defend itself with the 9th largest military budget in the world.

Japan's SDF is like a giant table top puzzle. Most of the pieces needed for a well rounded military are there but out of consideration for the sensitivities of other nations in the region, significant pieces of the puzzle like offensive strike capability, deployability and long distance logistics were omitted. Those pieces, if needed, have always had to come from the US. This let a lot of other Asian nations sleep well at night. Today is different. China is like the Pacman figure chewing up and swallowing all in front of it. Japan needs to make the last pieces to complete the puzzle. Look at Ukraine. Do you think they wish they had some long range strike capability? Something the Russians would have to respect and fear? Japan needs that too. It's not good enough any more to just be able to hang on to one's land when an enemy can throw missile after missile at you destroying your cities. A nation needs to be able to hold their bases at risk and make it costly to them to attack you.

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raised doubts about the defense capabilities of Japan which relies heavily on U.S. military presence.

the only reason we will be nuked is because of the…”U.S. military presence.”

not rocket science. Well actually it is rocket science.

I thought Article 9 prevents this reckless intimidation of our neighbours?

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the only reason we will be nuked is because of the…”U.S. military presence.”

not rocket science. Well actually it is rocket science.

I thought Article 9 prevents this reckless intimidation of our neighbours?

Which is why there was a huge student and citizens' movement in Japan (i.e. forced Abe's war criminal grandfather Kishi to quit as PM) until the Bubble era made everyone prioritize conspicuous consumption of commodities...

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Nuclear Weapons !

Maybe they can buy NK technology. Japan certainly doesn't have it.

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until the Bubble era made everyone prioritize conspicuous consumption of commodities...

so they were happy. Life was good.

now one in six children don’t get enough food in Osaka, source, LDP controlled NHK News.

Japan will pay a total of 1.55 trillion yen from fiscal 2022. The annual average will increase by about 10 billion yen to 211 billion yen from the current fiscal year.

To USA occupation forces and the families.

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When China aims missiles at New York, Los Angeles, Washington or any other American Big City I don't think the United States do something for Japan maybe they'll say "I'm sorry".

Seems like America is drawing the attention away from Japan in this scenario of yours, which is the point isn't it? Why would America do something for Japan if the missiles are aimed at America? Now, if you said China was aiming missiles at Japanese cities and America was sitting around picking its nose, then I would agree with you. America has the responsibility of protecting Japan under its umbrella until the point there is no longer an American military presence in Japan.

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egads man!

Seems like America is drawing the attention away from Japan in this scenario of yours, which is the point isn't it? Why would America do something for Japan if the missiles are aimed at America? Now, if you said China was aiming missiles at Japanese cities and America was sitting around picking its nose, then I would agree with you. America has the responsibility of protecting Japan under its umbrella until the point there is no longer an American military presence in Japan.

Sorry for my poor English.

China has plans to invade Senkakus Islands and Taiwan, at some future point. The CCP will spread its usual propaganda to American public opinion threatening to drop nuclear bombs on American territory and President will be a sitting duck.

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Maybe they can buy NK technology. Japan certainly doesn't have it.

Don't kid yourself. Japan has all the knowledge and necessary materials. Japan long ago mastered the fuel cycle. It just hasn't assembled a nuclear weapon, cough cough, to anyone's knowledge. Japan was on the threshold of nuclear weapons in 1945. I'd wager that if Japan started today they would be far ahead of DPRK in well under five years. Far ahead.

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the only reason we will be nuked is because of the…”U.S. military presence.”

The only reason you wont be nuked is because of the US military presence.

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Yet another small step to become a normal nation with self-defense rights.

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Japan is not a normal nation on account of the fact that war criminals were reinstated to power and were financed to create the current ruling party.

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Sounds very passive agressive as usual with the words -seek enemy base strike capability and purely defensive or counterattack.

And to agree to review that decision by the end of the year is much too slow.

And makes no sense to take that long to decide if China or Korea or Russia poses a real threat .

A sense of real urgency iam not believing.

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LegrandeToday  12:41 pm JST

Japan is not a normal nation on account of the fact that war criminals were reinstated to power and were financed to create the current ruling party.

Ah, but they were never tried or found guilty of anything in a court of law so that makes it all okay. They were all perfectly nice people, especially the Dear Ex-Leader's Beloved Grandpa Nobusuke Kishi. Not deeply corrupt oligarchs and racketeers at all.

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But what about the price of the dollar?

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@fighto-

Japan is most definitely a himself country not a herself country.

Or have you not noticed the equality issues for some reason ?

-7 ( +0 / -7 )

Personally i really get the feeling that for the USA to protect Japan is becoming more trouble than its worth.

Japan needs to stand up for itself.

USA wants out and doesn't truly trust Japan.

Thats whats really happening.

Japan's just a cash cow for the USA.

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Japan has all the knowledge and necessary materials. Japan long ago mastered the fuel cycle. It just hasn't assembled a nuclear weapon, cough cough, to anyone's knowledge. Japan was on the threshold of nuclear weapons in 1945. I'd wager that if Japan started today they would be far ahead of DPRK in well under five years. Far ahead.

This is all conjuncture. We know NK has assembled and tested bombs. Japan can't even build a regional jet.

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Ruling LDP to seek enemy base strike capability

The way this headline is worded it feels like there is a joke about them planning to acquire this as part of their election strategy against the CDJP or something like that lurking in there.

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That concept would only make sense, if it also contains the relating necessary outnumbering capabilities and features, which the potential enemies obviously or surely already have or are building up. If they roll out 100 launch pads and you can only hit 3 or preemptively…makes no difference, and all that defense effort should be spent otherwise or more effectively.

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LegrandeToday  10:15 am JST

Which is why there was a huge student and citizens' movement in Japan (i.e. forced Abe's war criminal grandfather Kishi to quit as PM) until the Bubble era made everyone prioritize conspicuous consumption of commodities...

Any person who was never charged, tried or convicted despite having been in custody and questioned is not a criminal.

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OssanAmericaToday  03:35 pm JST

LegrandeToday  10:15 am JST

Which is why there was a huge student and citizens' movement in Japan (i.e. forced Abe's war criminal grandfather Kishi to quit as PM) until the Bubble era made everyone prioritize conspicuous consumption of commodities...

Any person who was never charged, tried or convicted despite having been in custody and questioned is not a criminal.

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Alright then, you tell me if he qualifies to be a criminal or not-

[ Nobusuke Kishi (岸 信介, Kishi Nobusuke, 13 November 1896 – 7 August 1987) was a Japanese bureaucrat and politician who was Prime Minister of Japan from 1957 to 1960. He is the maternal grandfather of Shinzō Abe, twice prime minister from 2006 to 2007 and 2012 to 2020.

Known for his brutal rule of the Japanese puppet state Manchukuo in Northeast China in the 1930s, Kishi was nicknamed the "Monster of the Shōwa era" (昭和の妖怪; Shōwa no yōkai).[1] Kishi later served in the wartime cabinet of Prime Minister Hideki Tōjō as Minister of Commerce and Vice Minister of Munitions,[2] and co-signed the declaration of war against the United States on December 7, 1941.

After World War II, Kishi was imprisoned for three years as a suspected Class A war criminal. However, the U.S. government did not charge, try, or convict him, and eventually released him as they considered Kishi to be the best man to lead a post-war Japan in a pro-American direction.

In 1937, Kishi signed a decree calling for the use of slave labor to be conscripted both in Manchukuo and in northern China, stating that in these "times of emergency" (i.e. war with China), industry needed to grow at all costs while guaranteeing healthy profits for state and private investors.[26] Starting in 1938 and continuing to 1945, about one million Chinese were taken every year to work as slaves in Manchukuo.[27] The harsh conditions of Manchukuo were well illustrated by the Fushun coal mine, which at any given moment had about 40,000 men working as miners, of whom about 25,000 had to be replaced every year as their predecessors had died due to poor working conditions and low living standards.[22]

Kishi showed little interest in upholding the rule of law in Manchukuo.[28] In his later years, Kishi recalled how "inhuman" treatment of Chinese people had become naturalized among the Japanese colonial elite, turning human beings into "mechanical instruments of the Imperial Army, non-human automatons, absolutely obedient" to their Japanese masters.[28]

Kishi relied on yakuza thugs to terrorize the Chinese workers in Manchukuo's factories into submission, and ensure that there were no strikes caused by the long hours, low pay and poor working conditions.[30] 

Before returning to Japan in October 1939, Kishi is reported to have advised his colleagues in the Manchukuo government about corruption: "Political funds should be accepted only after they have passed through a 'filter' and been 'cleansed'. If a problem arises, the 'filter' itself will then become the center of the affair, while the politician, who has consumed the 'clean water', will not be implicated. Political funds become the basis of corruption scandals only when they have not been sufficiently 'filtered.'"[4]

For Kishi, Manchuria was a field for necropolitical experimentation.4 He tested his own economic model in the region and on the backs of forced Chinese and Korean laborers, borrowing from the labor efficiency of Taylorism, the German policy of industrial cartels, and Soviet-style, state-sponsored industrial development. Under Kishi’s watch, an enormous amount of opium flooded the region from poppy plantations in Mongolia and Manchuria itself, and was also smuggled in from Persia. According to the study Chimera: A Portrait of Manchukuo (1993) by Shinichi Muromachi, even Kishi’s subordinates later testified that Manchuria was akin to a piece of “giant machinery, producing secret funds for the Kanto Army … mainly through the opium trade.”5 Kishi’s opium profits provided a seemingly infinite source of funds for the army’s strategic development, and fueled aggressive invasions and atrocities across the region.

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"Japan can't even build a regional jet."

If you say so.

In any event, you should worry about the Epsilon-S rocket, which they CAN build.

Some jokers posting here!

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Maybe, these LDP lawmakers are oblivious of the fact that it is the war-renouncing constitution, Art. 9 of it, not re-arming itself by having a military nor the signing of the Japan-U.S. Security Treaty, that has helped Japan maintain peace for last 77 years after World War II.

The war-renouncing constitution was heartily welcomed by the war-weary Japanese people when it was instituted on May 3, 1947. An antiwar spirit has been permeating in every nook and corner of post-war Japanese society. Thus, the pacifist constitution was Japan's own making in a way, not something that was forced upon Japan by the domineering GHQ. The Hiroshima cenotaph, for example, assures atomic bomb victims by saying: "Please rest in peace, for the error shall not be repeated."

The Okinawa peace declaration proclaimed every year by sitting governors at the Mabuni Peace Memorial Park on June 23 is replete with the same antiwar sentiments.

I wonder how the U.S. government will react to the LDP's move. Maybe, it will react negatively contrary to the LDP's expectation because it wants Japan to always be reliant on the U.S. for its security and protection, thus helping allow the U.S. military to stay in Japan forever.

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If you do some research you'll find the US has been pushing for Japan to rearm, as the LDP essentially only acts in concert with US regional and global military objectives.

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Japan is beginning to wake up to the fact that they are pretty much defenseless.

Japan would be smarter to focus on improving the military capabilities it has and recruiting and retaining more troops.

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OssanAmerica

*Any person who was never charged, tried or convicted despite having been in custody and questioned is not a criminal.*

Yeah technically you are correct, but in real life Kishi and other elites like him who exploit normal citizens are the biggest crooks.

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The AvengerToday  07:28 pm JST

Japan is beginning to wake up to the fact that they are pretty much defenseless.

Japan would be smarter to focus on improving the military capabilities it has and recruiting and retaining more troops.

Doesn't matter how many troops there are, how well-trained or well-equipped they are if the same old useless LDP fogeys are still in charge.

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OssanAmerica

Apr. 12 03:35 pm JST

Any person who was never charged, tried or convicted despite having been in custody and questioned is not a criminal.

As long as it's someone you approve of, like some right-wing anti-China hawk. I suspect that you would take a different tone had Kishi and co been pro-China socialists.

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This is all conjuncture. We know NK has assembled and tested bombs. Japan can't even build a regional jet.

You might want to read this description of Japan's mastery of the nuclear fuel cycle.

https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-g-n/japan-nuclear-fuel-cycle.aspx

Look at P18 of this pdf

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/25751654.2020.1766164

Scroll down to 7.5.4 Japan in this document. Japan has enough plutonium to build thousands of warheads.

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq7-5.html

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