Japan calls on China to accept world's concerns over air defense zone

Two things are certain. China isn't going to care about the world's concerns about the ECS ADIZ, and they are going to declare the SCS ADIZ as soon as they feel the timing is right.

Do whatever you want Japan, China will do what she need to do, get over it.

U.S. actually isn’t calling on China to rescind the ADIZ. So define the limit of their support, because even U.S. knows, existence of ADIZ is completely legal. China’s ADIZ rules are similar to U.S.’s ADIZ rules. Would U.S. support still, if Japan shot down a Chinese patrol plane in the ADIZ? Doubt it.

China is on the moon but the people can not breath because of pollution, anger may be deep and large.., hence its government needs to do something. Japan just need to go ahead ,full speed to protect itself.

Isn't Pitful Abe worried too much about this issue so it seems he doesn't care/do anything else? Abe is doing something that he can never win, let's wait and see.

Unfortunately the Chinese bully government won't listen to anything unless it involves tons of $$$$.

Even then it won't admit to anything outright.

@sfjp330

U.S. actually isn't calling on China to rescind the ADIZ. So define the limit of their support

Well, the US says we don't recognize China's "proposed" ADIZ and that they (China) shouldn't try to implement the "proposed" ADIZ. That sounds like the US has joined the rest of the world in condeming China's actions. I say proposed ADIZ because, China hasn't, and most likely can't, implement nor enforce such a zone. This is especially true with the "rules" that China wants that are very different from other recognized ADIZ. This is just China trying to intimidate surrounding countries by force, but it think they have over-estimated their real ability...

@JBird

While it is true that the Chinese ADIZ may run the risks of conflicts, particularly with Japan and possibly with the U.S. This issue must be clear that it all started with the existing zone established by Japan. Ignoring this and then saying that China attempts to change the status quo or the establishment of a zone by the Chinese would run this or that risk is either too naive or one sided, because it ignores the unfair state of the exist situation imposed on China before Chinese took its action, given the fact that the zone imposed by Japan intrudes into the China side by a long distance even by the Japanese claimed middle sea line between the two sides. If one imposes unfair conditions on another person and the other person tries to correct that situation, why should that be a problem and be condemned by others?

It would be nice if China accepted concerns, but they're more likely to turn around and flip the bird, then establish an ADIZ over the South China Sea as well. They just don't care about the rest of the world.

A joint statement by Japan and leaders of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), agreed to enhance cooperation in ensuring freedom of overflight and civil aviation safety.

Reality is Japan ADIZ has no enhance cooperation in ensuring freedom of overflight and civil aviation safety for Taiwan commercial Airlines. Japan fighter jets intercepted civilian planes. On the contrary, Taiwan military planes can fly as birds over PRC declared ADIZ. Therefore co-operation should come from Abe too. Not only from China.

https://malaysiaflyingherald.wordpress.com/2013/12/06/japans-fighters-intercept-taiwans-civil-airliners/

Id take their "call" a little more seriously if it came from someone within Japan not connected with the incompetent LDP. Japan has simply to refer the case to the ICJ for settlement. Oh wait, theyd be admitting that a dispute "exists" then. Oops.

Readers, please stop bickering. If you cannot be civil to one another, then do not post here.

China presently stands out firm in the Senkaku Islands issue. Priority should be given towards building friendly relations between Japan and China. Deng Xiaoping shelved the Senkaku Islands issue back in the 70's.

China is not backing down, need cooler heads from both side to work it out.

A bit strange that several commentators seem to think that whatever China does it is only because Japan did something similar beforehand. That can only lead to the conclusion that Japan is leading and China is following. Is it about a little brother complex? By the way I thought the ADIZ critic was about covering land that China does not control, not establishing an ADIZ itself. How many other countries has established an ADIZ over land that they do not own/control? Can Vietnam establish an ADIZ over Hainan?

J.basherDec. 17, 2013 - 01:41PM JST

China is not backing down, need cooler heads from both side to work it out.

We USA is not backing down. You are not taking over the sea of Asia, Period. Maritime freedom will be protected by the US Navy.

Yawn

man, Japan sounds too desperate to me!

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/02ce257e-cb4a-11e2-8ff3-00144feab7de.html#axzz2nhtIOFAa

The US and most other countries interpret international law to allow a right of free passage for military vessels through the EEZ, but China disagrees and has long chided the US practice of frequent surveillance missions along the Chinese coast.

Chinese rule for air/sea is not going anywhere as the world will not tolerate. Simply put, China is trying to take over all Asia.

ADIZ is not No flying zone. It is not the invention of 2013. It has been existed for many decades. Plenty of nations has made ADIZ unilaterally.

US was the First Nation to establish the ADIZ. It has special ADIZ for navy Air Craft carriers too. US has no control over Canada land. However US ADIZ has overlapped with Canada.

Canada likes Japan complained that issue. However US likes PRC has never paid attention. After many months, Abe will be exhausted about his fruitless effort. South Korea has established her ADIZ recently. Taiwan and many nations in the region will follow that way.

There will be many nations over lapped their zones. Unless no one use the first attempt to use as Japan harassment over Taiwan civilian plane, East China Sea will be still calm. Birds will still fly as before.

As a chinese I visited Japan four years ago,when I came back from Japan to China I realized how ridiculous it is to fight with Japan,I like Japan,kind people and clean street.Both China and Japan lack knowledge of each other,our common interests are much more than differences.There is a saying in China:"进一步山穷水尽，退一步海阔天空”.I think both China and Japan should make a concession. I hope I have chance to visit Japan once again .

Why would China heed what Abe says? They two countries are not talking to each other any more. It's cold war now: mutual distrust, mutual demonetization, zero diplomacy, arms race, counter-alliance building. This is the definition of cold war!

Such a good show for everybody else!

If this is what 2 billions Japan bought from ASEAN, then its a huge slap in the face on Abe.

Read what each country in ASEAN is saying, Vietnam refused to comment about China but instead ask Japan to hand over what Abe promised (meaning Japan still has not fulfill its promises to Vietnam).

Philippines's defense minister said he's "concerned" about CADIZ in ECS. He didn't agree with Japan to ask China to retract the zone. He's simply concerned. And right after, he asked for those naval vessels that Japan promised to donate to the Philippines.

All those ODA to Indonesia, well, that's really money down the drain because China has hundreds of billions in Indonesia. They are best buds.

Abe tries to stick a wedge between Myanmar and China by forgiving Myanmar's debts. But that's a huge mistake because Myanmar was counting on that with China's blessing. Don't forget the entire Myanmar's military is supported by China. Not including China's influence on suppressing the Maoists in the north.

So this strategy of throwing billions on these weak and really China-friendly ASEAN nations and ask them to simply provide lip service on "freedom or the sky"? That's just ridiculous. Its a complete waste of money which Abe had spent way too much on.

This type of waste does not achieve anything with substance. Nor does it enhance Japan's "soft power" in the region. All it does it telling these ASEAN nations that there will be some easy and free money coming their way if they simply pay Japan a visit. That's not soft power, that's being played for a chump. I suggest Abe to spend its dwindling reserves wisely. Things like lowering corporate tax, increase gov't funding on R&D and even defense spending would help. Throwing money at these ASEAN nations for CADIZ and lip service is just stupid.

All these declarations and lip services toward these nations and the media won't change the situation. Abe might wish that if he simply declares or opines as much as he can would project the pretense that whatever he's saying would be accepted or is the accepted fact is a complete one-sided fantasy. Its almost like crying wolves which might produce a tired "oh its that again" reaction.

This type of reaction is already developing in many conservative media in US. That Abe is a trouble maker for US. He needs to stop talking about one thing and acting upon something else and check himself. Its not just about his political career. Japan is hanging on the edge as we speak both diplomatically, and economically. Don't be that guy.

Better give into China's demands or she'll sneak into the kennel when nobody's looking and let the vicious North Korean dogs off their tether.

@Mariam TebourbiDec. 17, 2013 - 02:23PM JST “man, Japan sounds too desperate to me!” precisely summarized.

Abe’s admin is keeping repeating the same “mantra” since at the end of Nov. and wishing other countries in the world might accept Japanese overblown “concerns” on ADIZ. Yet, the results so far were dismal at best. If the final statement issued from the ASEAN summit severed as a canary in a coal mine to Abe, the message is that the United States and Asian counties are both having equal concerns about Abe’s nationalism ambitions and dangerous warmongering tactics.

The evidences are just so overwhelming if one would count the numbers on how many countries have stood the same position as Abe’s one – complete withdraw at this point and how many countries complied with the Chinese harsh demand on its ADIZ. The numbers should do the talking.

Nevertheless, one thing is certain that Abe and his followers will continue living in the denying cocoons and matching on the lonely one-way-trip.

yet the earth keeps revolving with even paying any attention to its overblown “concerns”

Sounds familiar this word call ' world '. It has been used a zillion times by America to justify its dirty deeds. And guess what? The dirty Japanese have just adopted the same word.

EthanWilberDec. 17, 2013 - 10:24PM JST the message is that the United States and Asian counties are both having equal concerns about Abe’s nationalism >ambitions and dangerous warmongering tactics.

The funny thing about the Chinese internet army is that they practice the same methods as he Red Guard. Make a statement no mater how big a lie and do it loud, boldly and repeatedly until people agree to believe you. The US not only has no concerns about Japan, it is BEHIND the current Japanese position and it's military advancements.

"Joint Statement of the Security Consultative Committee: Toward a More Robust Alliance and Greater Shared Responsibilities"

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2013/10/215070.htm

As for Japan being "warmongering" there is only one major country today that fits that description. And it isn't Japan:

"China's PLA to Troops: Prepare for War " http://www.voanews.com/content/chinas-peoples-liberation-army-pla-prepare-for-war/1585348.html

The evidences are just so overwhelming if one would count the numbers on how many countries have stood the same position as Abe’s one – complete withdraw at this point and how many countries complied with the Chinese harsh demand on its ADIZ. The numbers should do the talking.

As far as I know, ZERO. Unless you want to count a completely innocent defenseless commercial airlines who report at their own discretion as countries that "complied" that is.

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If the final statement issued from the ASEAN summit severed as a canary in a coal mine to Abe, the message is that the United States and Asian counties are both having equal concerns about Abe’s nationalism ambitions and dangerous warmongering tactics.

Meanwhile,

.."Kerry pledged $32.5 million, including up to $18 million for Vietnam that will include five fast patrol boats for its Coast Guard. With the new contribution, U.S. maritime security assistance to the region will exceed $156 million over the next two years, he said."

http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/US-takes-aim-at-China-ups-naval-aid-to-SE-Asia-5067575.php

It's baffling that anyone can twist this reality into some sort of diplomatic victory for China when all it did was to give Abe carte blanche on whatever he wants to do while securing closer ties in the said region.

And at the same time demands everyone respects its ADIZ, no?

Can’t help but lol, the aggressions are usual and predictable. :)

It does not matter that how Japanese warmongering nationalists in this forum jumped down the cliff with rage and tried to attack,with malicious language and labeling, other commentators who held different stances over Japan's call and "concerns" on controversial ADIZ.

Yet, facts remain, and the simple truth is that the world is watching with wary eyes on both China and Japan under Abe’s Admin which is leading Japan to march on a dangerous road.

The US and American public are neither stupid nor blind - the true color of Japan finally reveals.

Yet, facts remain, and the simple truth is that the world is watching with wary eyes on both China and Japan under Abe’s Admin which is leading Japan to march on a dangerous road.

Meanwhile yet again,

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2013/12/17/kerry-in-philippines-to-show-us-support

This, of course, was done by Japan as well just recently.

In sincerely doubt that the phrase "the world is watching with wary eyes" when it comes to Japan. Unless, of course, you define the "world" as being China and South Korea, that is.

No offence but you have a habit of putting words like "facts remain" or "simple truth" when you have yet to substantiate any of your points.

Japan does intercept airline planes. But those are small charter jets that can be anything. Very unlikely jumbobjets carrying hundreds

EthanWilberDec. 18, 2013 - 12:55AM JST It does not matter that how Japanese warmongering nationalists

The only warmongering nationalists are the Chinese and their supporters.

If we have no peace, because we have forgotten we belong to each other. ... Mother Teresa

fw360Dec. 18, 2013 - 05:22AM JST If we have no peace, because we have forgotten we belong to each other. ... Mother Teresa

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19850122&id=Rm4aAAAAIBAJ&sjid=JCoEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5330,604736

overchan Dec. 18, 2013 - 03:20AM JST

Japan does intercept airline planes. But those are small charter jets that can be anything. Very unlikely jumbobjets carrying hundreds

Eva Airline from Taiwan is Jumbo Jets and carrying more than 200 passengers. They are flying with very large volume of passengers.

http://www.evaair.com/en-us/flying-with-us/fleet-facts/passenger/

Abe San is harrasing the "lives of passengers of commercial Airline". So far, Taiwan, SK, US and Japan miltary planes can fly freely as birds over PRC ADIZ.

During WWII, Zero pilots of Japan performed Kamikaze for hitting their small plane with larger one. Abe San wanted to glorify the imperial air force old memory like his grandpa.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/kyodo-news-international/131202/taiwan-says-civilian-aircraft-intercepted-japan-0

https://malaysiaflyingherald.wordpress.com/2013/12/06/japans-fighters-intercept-taiwans-civil-airliners/

Japan can call all it wants. I just hear America`s little dog (where Abe is concerned) bleating