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WiseOneIn Kansai
Bilateral relations could be better if only China would act as a respectable member of the international community.
Frequently, we hear negative reports of China's relations with other countries over trade, technology, wrongful arrests and territorial intrusions.
kurisupisu
We also hear many positive reports of Chinese interests investing huge sums of money in infrastructure and development in 3rd world countries.
Legrande
They'll need to do a lot of heavy lifting as Abe destroyed any positive public sentiment towards China
Meiyouwenti
“We also hear many positive reports of Chinese interests investing huge sums of money in infrastructure and development in 3rd world countries.’
And when those 3rd world countries fail to repay Chinese loans , China will take control of their ports and other vital infrastructure and turn them into China’s vassal states.
kibousha
Chinese bilateral relationship: "There's NO international rules, only our rules, not the west's rules".
factchecker
You can see the stubbornness in the poster behind. Each language putting it's city first. Childish. Nothings gunna change here!
dbsaiya
Good, this is a start. Just don't blindly follow trump's agenda and let it interfere with any goodwill produced from improved relations.
Ken
WiseOneIn Kansai and a few others made some accurate points yet got swarmed with downvotes? People here really trust the Chinese government more than their own? Serious question
TokyoLiving
Excellent, good relationships between China and Japan..
Good old US keep your dirty hands out of this..
WoodyLee
If the two leadership could just focus on what's in the best interests of their people instead of pushing the ruling party agendas this region would be a much better place to live.
Fos
For sure: more dialogue with China needed, less warmongering by America
OssanAmerica
China is the only "warmonger" here. Japan and the US and it's allies are only preparing to respond to China's eventual move to take Taiwan by force.
"Prepare for war – China President, Xi Jinping, orders military"
https://tribuneonlineng.com/prepare-for-war-china-president-xi-jinping-orders-military/
OssanAmerica
This is just a circus show. China is the only country that stokes anti-Japan sentiment as a political tool to control the masses. We all know this.
In China under the CCP, scholars, political and business leaders can be prosecuted for expressing views counter to that of the government. It's no mystery why they held this meeting in Tokyo instead of Beijing.
Burgerland
Good to hear. Dialogue and diplomacy is the way to go.
WiseOneIn Kansai
Right, . . . investment for China's interest! Yes, especially those debt-trap loans to underdeveloped countries.
https://adf-magazine.com/2024/02/as-chinese-debt-comes-due-african-nations-struggle-with-repayments/
https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2024/12/05/the-hidden-cost-of-chinese-loans
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/07/business/china-bri-developing-countries-overdue-debt-intl-hnk/index.html
deanzaZZR
A Beijing-Tokyo rapprochement gives Uncle Sam the willies. See predictable responses from the USA MIC above and very likely below.
jerryboy
The Chinese government words are always completely opposite to their action.
Ricky Kaminski13
Japan, China seek broader bilateral talks to improve public sentiment
followed by,
Japan protests as Chinese ships try to approach fishing boat near Senkakus
The very following news story on the same day. That says everything right there.
Screenshot worthy.
Fos
Right, and your sources are? Lockheed Martin Corp, Raytheon Technologies, Northrop Grumman Corp, Boeing, General Dynamics Corp. The top 5 weapons manufacturers in the world, all American. What a coincidence. And then you wonder why Wall Street is on all time high….
Fos
Since 1945 the US past administrations have tried to overthrow more than 50 governments, many of them democratically elected; grossly interfered in elections in 30 countries; bombed the civilian populations of 30 countries; used chemical and biological weapons; and attempted to assassinate foreign leaders.
The anti-Beijing hysteria is clearly being led by the United States which is not concerned that China will attack other countries, but is worried that its world hegemony is being challenged.
Fos
Of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council (who represent the great powers), only one has not fought a war in 40 years: China.
In contrast to China, in the last three decades, America has fought a war or been involved in military actions every year.
changamangaliay
Cordial relationship between neighbors always benefits everyone on both sides, enmity with neighbors benefits no one
HopeSpringsEternal
Good idea, especially for neighbors!
syniksan
You complain about getting downvotes, you get downvotes!
socrateos
Nothing good is coming from China these days. Before Xi, there was a slim hope among some countries that China might one day join the international community through trade. But when Xi came to power, all those hopes went down the drain.
Mirchy
I know a country that has been doing this since the end of World War II.
Fos
As opposed to Washington China does not have a history of military aggression beyond the defence of its own borders. The United States has repeatedly embarked on military interventions across the globe.
China, unlike USA, is part of Asia, therefore that would be the starting point of any conversation.
iron man
just scanning thru I see so much US bias. No point of little me attempting to give input regarding scholars etc from two Asian nations trying to rationalize their differences.
TaiwanIsNotChina
The Korean War would like a word with you.
And the fact that China is considered a bully by all of its neighbors would be the second point.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Not really on topic is it?
A carefully selected date and China's border skirmishes aren't much better than wars.
And the next 5 are all Chinese.
Less threatening of Free Taiwan is needed.
Gabor Fabricius
No dialogue until Chinese recognition of Taiwan as an independent nation
itsonlyrocknroll
Reviewing the photo above, first impressions are less than dynamic unimpressive row of middle aged men, unrepresentative, having little understanding to the task at hand. lacking any qualified understanding to improve public sentiment. basically a row of aging bureaucrats.
The Government of China is a despot dictatorship, accused of genocide of/to its own people.
Bully belligerence, threats to peaceful neighbours, little or no respect for rules based international law, any form of democratic system of government.
Untrustworthy. hardly a solid foundation to establish a "framework of confidence-building"
moonbloom
China is the only "warmonger" here. Japan and the US and it's allies are only preparing to respond to China's eventual move to take Taiwan by force.
Yea ok ever hear of US puppet Chiang Kai shek and his failed attempt to use US arms to take China? Failed so the US helped install him in Taiwan so that the US could "respond" at some future date.
OssanAmerica
Fact Check:
Sino-Vietnamese Conflicts (1979–1990s)
1984-1989 Border Clashes: Intense clashes occurred along the Sino-Vietnamese border in areas such as Laoshan and Zheyinshan. These skirmishes included artillery duels and ground combat, with thousands of casualties reported on both sides.
Sino-Indian Border Standoffs
Galwan Valley Clashes (2020): Deadly hand-to-hand combat between Chinese and Indian troops in Ladakh resulted in casualties on both sides, marking the most serious violence in decades between the two nations.
Ongoing Tensions (Post-2020): Multiple standoffs and skirmishes have occurred along the Line of Actual Control (LAC).
While China has not fought a major war since 1950 when it sent 2.9 million troops to assist North Korea to fight the United Nations Command comprised of 21 nations. It has not been free of military conflicts.
OssanAmerica
Common sense. China is threatening to invade Taiwan. The US is not threatening to invade any country.
"China has repeatedly said it could invade Taiwan"
https://www.npr.org/2024/10/18/nx-s1-5147096/china-repeatedly-threatens-to-invade-taiwan-what-would-an-invasion-look-like
OssanAmerica
Chiang Kai Shek has been dead for 49 years.
He was never a "puppet" of the US as he rose to power in the Kuomingtang (founded by Sun Yat-sen). It was Chiang Kai Shek who turned to the U.S. to help fight the invasion by Imperial Japan.
itsonlyrocknroll
To create an stable environment of trust and confidence, firstly an open debate on the political strategic dishonesty, deceit, refusal of Xi Jinping, President of the People's Republic of China regime brutal repression of Hong Kong, the threats to Taiwan sovereignty, the illegal incursions into Japan/neighbours economic exclusive zones.
The verifiable cessation of preposterous gross acts of aggression, insisting vital global trading shipping routes are the sole possession of the despot People's Republic of China.
This will represent a tentative beginning to a solid foundation for confidence Xi Jinping has good intentions.
xin xin
Likely useless, given China is bent on invading Taiwan and annexing the South China Sea.
Fos
Did you take history classes, read nows?
In the course of the 20th century alone, Washington has participated in 39 armed conflicts, or one every three years, and since 2000 it has engaged in at least 12 wars, the equivalent of one every two years.
Key conflicts include:
Gulf War (1990-1991) - A coalition operation to liberate Kuwait from Iraqi occupation.
War in Afghanistan (2001-2021) - Initiated in response to the September 11 attacks.
Iraq War (2003-2011) - Aimed at toppling Saddam Hussein's regime, with a prolonged occupation afterward.
Interventions in Libya (2011) - Involved airstrikes during the civil unrest.
Ongoing operations against ISIS (2014-present) - Involves military action in Iraq and Syria.
Fos
Diplomacy in Asia is totally kidnapped by the US military-industrial complex which incites geopolitical tensions through the constant hype of the "China threat".
Behind the growth of arms sales, the US has created or intensified conflicts and crises in different regions of the world, forcing other countries to increase their budgets and buy US weapons to better serve the interests of the military.
TaiwanIsNotChina
This isn't the 1950s anymore. Taiwan hosts zero US troops and is the most democratic nation in Asia.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Then you have to ask yourself why every nation in Asia believes it.
Still 1% of gdp.
TaiwanIsNotChina
All of which are/were 100% legal with the exception of 2003. Your own copy pasted comments reveals this.
Fos
We learn a new side if history, edulcorated for US investors :)
Libya attack was legal and see what created, Serbia was legal..... What a fairytale!
Truth is that Washington is the most destabilizing power in the world and we need to be grateful for China presence, to counteract this warmongering attitude of United States in all continents of the globe. As we keep saying to the lsaber-rattler likes of you, as residents of Asia: we welcome China because China is part of Asia, that would be the starting point of any conversation. You can easily invest in Wall Street and stay there.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Just the facts, ma'am.
May not have been legal but was the right thing to do.
China is feared by all of its neighbors and as you say has global ambitions. That would be the starting point of any conversation.
Fos
I would say that China is feared primarily by Wall Street investors, full stop.
No residents of Asia have a problem with economic partnerships with Beijing, commercial treaties and talks. Only the warmongering Washington administrations, led by US lobbies in Wall Street, have a problem with that, because means less money for them. The anti-Beijing hysteria is clearly being led by the United States which is not concerned that China will attack other countries, but is worried that its world hegemony is being challenged.
Like we have been saying time and time again, Asia does not need provokers and saber-rattlers, if you like the idea of WAR stay in your country. Simple as that!
We can only welcome dialogue and diplomacy between Japan and China :)
TaiwanIsNotChina
Nope, some 60% of SE Asians fear China. I'd look up the source but you don't deserve the time I'd spend on it.
No one intelligent continues to fall for the peaceful rise narrative.
voiceofokinawa
Good to see Japan and China trying to improve relations. But what has hampered their good relations so far? No doubt, it's the Senkaku/Diaoyu Dao issue that was the real cause of it.
Japan claims the uninhabited island chain is its sovereign territories, historically and under international law. But China claims exactly to the same effect. So, which side's claim is correct and legitimate? A government-to-government debate would be futile and isn't productive at all if both sides stick to their own stance.
Hence, we cannot leave the matter solely to the governments. The issue should be discussed more broadly and openly at a civilian level.
OssanAmerica
Do you understand the difference between present tense and past tense?
The US is not threatening to invade any country。China is threatening to invade Taiwan. Today.
Fos
The US administration simply is not credible after those past aggressions and lies. Simple as that
Fos
Past tense is the history of documented wars and past tense is propaganda based on lies
deanzaZZR
中日友誼萬歲. Neighbors should be friends. It takes the effort of both to break through outside interference.
Pukey2
Just exactly what part of 'Sino-Japanese ties' do some people not understand? I don't see the word USA in there anywhere. None of USA's business. The fact that some Americans need to poke their nose is typical for American foreign policy - influence and meddle in other countries' affairs.
Pukey2
TaiwanChina:
OK, so what's your source? I'd leave out the Philippines which is essentially still an American colony under the US puppet, Bongbong. All the major countries in ASEAN, ie Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia and Indonesia are now BRICS partners. They want good relations with China and don't want to be another US vassal state.
SuccessfulMan
Japan and China are destined to have poor relations by virtue of being competing regional powers in Asia. Sure, they can do business give fake compliments to each other, but ultimately, they are working to undermine the other.
Fos
Pukey2
There is a lot of propaganda from Washington, sheer hypocrisy, we see a lot of bad examples in this forum.
Asia will be much better off without the warmongering of United States of America.
Sarunghakan Feng
The irony. It's about power. NOT democracy, NOT international relations, NOTHING ELSE but WHO is able to make those who submit. The ugly truth. And people will make all sorts of excuses for it. Did the British make amends to appease the "international community" when they amassed one of the world's largest empire? No! They took, imperialized, ravaged, conquered other lands and subjugated other countries like Japan through the forceful means of "trade" and forced their colonialized countries to culturally assimilate. China is no different. "If China would stop"... please.
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OssanAmericaDec. 7 03:14 pm JST
Do you understand the difference between present tense and past tense?
The US is not threatening to invade any country。China is threatening to invade Taiwan. Today."
Let's see- Ukraine foreign aid? Taiwanese subjugation? 513 NATO and American military bases all around the world, America has NO NEED to INVADE. They've already INVADED most of the world's countries, and why paint yourself as the bad guy, when you've got someone else to take the fall for you. America has, currently in the present, is https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/how-many-countries-has-the-us-invaded
Here, it says - "peacekeeping" operations. Are you... too blind to even see that a country needn't be so black and white as to outright invade one country? America and the rest of the Western Commonwealth countries have already established a rule for themselves. They've conquered parts of Africa, destroyed parts of the Middle East, etc. And conquering a country would be too costly to keep as well. You can ask the British that, after their empire fell. It'd be too costly to maintain. But they've already known well that the imperialist legacy through financial control, hegemony of language and many other things sets their power in stone. Japan is a testament to that. Two nukes and they're already submissive! What a joke. As of now, US is currently invading to promote, maintain their interests in Ukraine, parts of Russia, India, South Korea, Taiwan, Tibet, Brazil... etc. Anyone whose involved with NATO or has ties to the West, or has even a dictatorship is backed and funded by the Western blocs. It isn't a conspiracy theory. It's REAL, and you're burying your head in the sand, because you are a PART of that order. But considering China's just taking a paragraph out of the Western's playbook, of course... they're inferior to how well the West does for it's interests due to Machiavellianism. China doesn't need to invade the Philippines (oh wait! America!), nor any other countries that the West is saying that they are having tensions with. How it goes is that the Western media paints China as the baddie for flaring up tensions, when they themselves are securing the regions nearby and they are being threatened of their hegemony! Divide and Conquer my friend, Divide and Conquer. But of course, it's been this way ever since the Americans and the British conquered and colonized half the world, forced out the Native Indians out of their own country and made them a minority, and painted them as "savages", with the Maori's and the Aborigines all following suit. Now everybody blames the blacks, the Indians, the darker skins, "Oh look at their culture! So terrible!".
And no doubt that everybody else is doing the same, the Chinese, the Japanese, whoever. But of course, the British got to it quite sooner than everybody else, and the Germans failed! The Americans did great by promoting "democracy" and everybody hears it, they just get sensationalized immediately... but they forget about the billions of dollars lobbied in congress, where there's a whole sector of billionaires in California, manipulating and corrupting the government and all else. Now, we're to hear that the authoritarian, totalitarian, "Communist" China is trying to take control of the "sovereign", "democratic" R.O.C's Taiwan! Quite exquisitely beautiful. Social engineering at it's finest. Let China and Taiwan fight, we provide some backup, and when China's exhausted, Taiwan's done for, we go in and sweep up the mess. Ukraine's our priority, we've always wanted Russia out of the way, now we'll see how this goes. You wanna talk about Taiwan retaining it's sovereignty, give Guam, Hawaii, American Samoa, etc
It's plain and simple - Only power matters, and those who gets the most, who industrialize, whether built on the backs of millions of deaths, billions, those who are ruling this world will paint themselves as the "good" guys. They have to. Even if the inequality of their own countries are so great, they'd prefer to... what's the phrase. "throw s*%& in someone else's backyard.", or "don't eat where you s***". The US is capitalizing on a civil matter of Russia's and Ukraine's. Taiwan's is divide and conquering. They had to withdraw from Afghanistan otherwise if we'd saw a full invasion of Afghanistan like we did with Iraq and the rest, they'd be breaking the lines now. Even if they had full supporting psychological propaganda of defending the "free world from terrorism".
You bury your head in the sand, you're responsible for just agreeing with those in the ruling powers. You pretend that there's a notion of "good" and "evil", when all you're doing is supporting those who really are evil. Nobody is innocent in this, but at least China and Russia is overt and honest when it comes to what they want to do.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Yes, they are open and honest that they want to enslave their neighbors militarily. Now will the potential victims do anything about it?
TaiwanIsNotChina
The Philippines is still a country in SE Asia. I would say you have to throw out all of the muslim responses as they listed the Israel-Hamas war as the greatest concern which should not be a SE Asia issue. When that war is done, the US goes back to being preferred, guaranteed.
Sarunghakan Feng
Let's see how many countries the U.S is preferred, even after they got screwed over, especially the Philippines. I'm not saying otherwise, but clearly... here - https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2000/04/how-thatcher-gave-pol-pot-a-hand
Oh yeah, China's bad. Sure. They want to enslave their neighbors militarily. Sure. Now, admittedly, the U.S might be trying to ramp things up between Vietnam and the Philippines and India, and there have been clashes... though again, remember- Europe. We had Germany, Russia, everyone's fighting over there. They've almost settled. Aside from the UK STILL wanting everything of course, kid you not... Sure, China wants Taiwan only and mainly, and just wants to get her neighbor's on her side due to of course, the fact that the U.S has already got them under his thumb. The U.S is already actively invading, or as it states, having invaded and have installed military bases across all of the world. You don't need to invade a country to hold power and influence in it. China knows how stupid invading other neighbors can be, and will be when you've got Taiwan and the West to contend with. Besides, the U.S has already invaded many countries under the pretense of democracy, liberalizing "unwanted" elements, "saving" the country from terrorists. Open and honest? Is China actually wanting to invade their neighbors? Last I heard, Vietnam and China had clashes, but most of it is of course, a country that also claims to be the Republic of China, the Diaoyu/Senkaku islands... agreeably though, everyone wants to take a piece of land. The U.S has a whole bloody continent entirely to themselves. They ARE satisfied. Besides, they've got NATO, they've got huge number of military bases surrounding the world, if they wanted to, they could invade and take Japan again at anytime, quell the populace and crush Japan's military. But again, in World War 2, they chose the nukes instead of sending in millions of military personnel. They've already waged war in the middle east, admittedly... the extremists are also partly at fault, but by no means are they solely at fault. Though, why invade? We've seen this time and time again in history, from Mesopotamia, to Rome, to Ancient Mongolia, to Russia, U.S, Britain, etc, invading a country takes time and resources, and it's mostly a matter of internal affairs as of now. India and China has no need to raise their anger towards each other about the border skirmishes. China has and always had a longstanding mutual trade and partnership with India for 3000 years! if at least from the oldest dynasties that came from the Silk Road trades!
Even Duterte agreed that China was at least better than the U.S, because the saying always goes true. To be an enemy of the U.S is okay, but to be a friend of the U.S is fatal. Of course, China may or may not actually want to invade her neighboring countries, but of what use is invading her neighboring countries? XJP knows this. What concerns him is the use of machiavellian tactics by the U.S, but Taiwan is also a long contending issue. Europe is already almost, if not even for Russia, at odds with one another, save for France, and the Anglo Saxon countries. Russia is more of an issue than China is, considering that we may underestimate their nuclear arsenal, but guaranteed that is not something to be laughed at. They've merely put their nuclear weapons in storage, and of course aside from the disarmaments. We have no true official statistical numbers of how many do they really possess. Before even Putin came into power, the majority of the Russian leaders already disagreed with the Soviet Union in some sense, but they did not agreed with letting go of their trump cards. There's definitely a huge need to build missiles underground. They've probably done so already.
Sarunghakan Feng
But alas, it doesn't matter. the U.S may not invade many countries, as it has done, and has no need to, seeing how clearly time and energy are spent on influencing countries rather than invading them. We've seen the cost of the wars in the middle east, Germany, many other countries... why spend time trying to invade, wherein everybody's going to know who you are? Best influence the narrative and the opponents. And even if you DO invade, come up with a good reason. Terrorists. Very apt.