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Tuan Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono memberitahu Abe go and work out your problem with China, do not drag us in.

Sangat baik Tuan Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono.

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Abe really a useless PM that japan ever had.

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"It is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus of also challenging America... In that context, how America 'manages' Eurasia is critical... the three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together.” - Zbigniew Brezinski, The Grand Chessboard Do we see here, the letting go of the Capitalist America of the greater, ASEAN situation? Does a loosely affiliated Eurasian Economic Alliance trump U.S. control, U.S. Dollars, u.S. Petro Dollars? Are we watching the retreat of the U.S.A. even as the Feds rob the national purses by printing "Funny Money" to keep up an illusion?

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It is pointless for Japan to try to drag other SEAsian countries in the Japan/China conflict. Whilst we are not communists, we distrust Japan more over the atrocities inflicted in the 2WW and until now there are different takes on Japan's actions. If it is so difficult for Japan to 100% admit what happened in history! how can we ever trust her for the future? If there are economic and financial gifts from Japan, we of course would be silly to decline. If Japan wants us to be against China, of course we would be stupid to accept! When will Japan learn? In this modern internet age, even communist China cannot deny events taking place worldwide, including internal China!

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The ASEAN countries are already threatened by China's declared intent to take control over the South China Sea. Japan isn't dragging" anyone into anything. The ASEAN countries are siding with the United Stats and it's allies to [protect themselves from the belligerent Chinese dictatorship. The idea of direct communication lines to avoid conflicts has been advocated by the U.S. as well and proposed by Japan's Abe administration but rejected by the Chinese dictatorship.

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The countries that will most likely support Japan, Philippine, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei, as for the rest their answer will be the same as Indonesia.

None of them really want to rock the boat, their trade with China are worth more than what Japan can offer as bribe..lol

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To solve a problem, you have to know the underlying reason of the problem. You need to see the problem from the other side. Do people in Japan understand the other side of the Sino-Japanese friction of today?

When I read in JT that Ambassador Kennedy paid tribute to the memorial of the victims of the WW2 nuclear bombing in Japan, I posted the question: Has any Japanese ambassador paid tribute to the victims of massacres in China and Korea? (Unfortunately, that comment was deleted by the monitor… is that a sign of the time in Japan?)

If permitted (by the monitor), I would like to tell people something about the other side… The following post relay a popular sentiment among Chinese and that is one of factors that is tearing apart the Sino-Japanese relationship:

Today, Dec 13th, is the 76th anniversary of NANJING MASSACRE in China by the Fascist Japan in 1937. How can we forget and let alone forgive when Japanese leaders today still refuse to acknowledge that atrocities occurred there. We have idiots in Japan who claimed that it was a Chinese fabrication. When people tell me that it was a long time ago and that Chinese should forget it. Really? Tell that to the Jews. Many Western countries even have laws that states “denial of holocaust” is a crime. By that definition many current Japanese politicians should be tried and imprisoned.

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@Bruce Miller

Are we watching the retreat of the U.S.A. even as the Feds rob the national purses by printing "Funny Money" to keep up an illusion?

The US federal govt does not print it's paper notes. The federal reserve bank is a privately owned corporation founded by, J.D. Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, Baron Rothschild, P Warburg, They then and their families now SELL the US it's paper notes at currently 15 cents on the dollar.

Yes, Japan and China should try for a compromise on some issues but barring that, business will still go on and the two countries will keep purchasing from each other

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fw360Dec. 14, 2013 - 05:25PM JST If permitted (by the monitor), I would like to tell people something about the other side… The following post relay a >popular sentiment among Chinese and that is one of factors that is tearing apart the Sino-Japanese relationship:

We are tired of China's whining about WWII. China a signed a peace treaty with Japan in 1972 putting all those matters to rest. Fascist Japan's actions 70 years ago do not justify fascist China's behavior today towards Japan and other Asian nations. A lot of countries suffered in WWII, get over it like the rest of the world.

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@ OssanAmerica

I actually agree with the logic of your comment. But that does not matter. The problem is that a lot of people in China do not think that way... and that is the attitude that Japan need to understand and deal with. Good luck, Japan.

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Abe san, Why don't you ask J companies to stop investing a large money in China. Let them invest in Japan, and compensate any difference with tax money.

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fw360Dec. 15, 2013 - 10:29AM JST @ OssanAmerica I actually agree with the logic of your comment. But that does not matter. The problem is that a lot of people in China >do not think that way... and that is the attitude that Japan need to understand and deal with. Good luck, Japan.

The problem is that "a lot of people in China" feel that way because anti-Japan sentiment has been taught in mandatory "patriotic education" classes in Chinese schools, and it has been adopted as an official diplomatic and political policy by the CCP. Now the CCP must manage the "Nationalism Monster" it has created without starting a war with the whole world.

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Well, I thought we (the people outside of China) are frequently self-proclaimed the smarter and more sophisticated ones.

Japan should have the smartness to understand the root causes and the capability to manage, at least mitigate, the Chinese and Korean "nationalism"... maybe there is a lesson to be learned from post-WW2 Germany which manages to have good relationship with its former enemies?

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