Japan, China to hold maritime working-level talks after pandemic

Dont talk with that Bully!

The Senkakus Islands belong to Japan!

Simple and easy!

Topic finish!

A wise and responsible govt will do the best to secure a good relationship with China for future generations.

I posted on another thread July 31 that "Tokyo and Beijing are negotiating to hold a telephone conference over the East China Sea situation at a bureaucratic director level." So this is it.

Incidentally, the largest island in the Senkaku chain was historically called "Iigun Jima" by Ishigaki islanders while mainland Okinaw aseafarers called it "Yokon" or "Yukun". "Yukun" comes from "iyukun", which can be analyzed as iyu + kun. Iyu means "fish" in Okinawan and kun is an affix often attached to a place name in the vernacular; for example, Tedokon （手登根）and Aagun（粟国）. So "Yukun" in Okinwan means "fish place" or "fish island". It's quite possible, then, that Chen Kwan (陳侃）, a Chinese royal emissary to Ryukyu, recorded it as "Diayudao", meaning fish island, in his journal.

A wise and responsible individual would support democracy for future generations.

don't even waste you time with china, a dictatorship country.

@Akie

A wise and responsible gvt' will not succumb to the CCP's bullying and frequent inflammatory accusations directed at other countries when they don't get their way(e.g. 'interfering with internal affairs').

When the CCP begins at act like a mature player on the world stage and stick to their commitments such as with H.K. then they will be treated with the respect they deserve and not before.

They did it intentionally to force Japan to the negotiation table. Normally they don't send ships near that area for that long but now they suddenly send so many. They intentionally did it because they know US has been asking Japan to participate in the alliance at South China Sea and Japan citizens are not in any mood right now to join any disputes at sea while the nation itself is suffering from the pandemic.

The talk will not be worth. Negotiations just break down I think.

Japan just only have to asked under the international law I think. Which means it’s doing logically.

the important is that many advanced countries have to reconsider business that too much have relayed on the country at the point of manufacturing and supply chains

After the recent pandemic? They’re talking as if the pandemic is over?

It used to be a time when decent world did not talk to communist. I think we need to go back to this time. How can free democratic country can find a compromise with despotic tyranny?

A wise and responsible govt will have the best military to kick Chinas butt for future generations.

Better to jaw, jaw than war, war.

Don't waste your time talking with the red Mafia, CCP.

Talks are just their stalling technique.

After talking they continue to lie, cheat and steal as before.

The only thing they respect is force.

Talking is good.

1.3billion people have a right to eat their fish.

What news is this?

No-news...

The last sentence in my post above is changed as follows:

It's quite possible, then, that Chen Kan (陳侃）, a Chinese royal envoy to Ryukyu, recorded it as "Diayudao", meaning a “fish island”, in the 1534 document called "The Emissary Records of Ryukyu", based on what he heard from Ryukyu seafarers aboard the Ryukyu-bound tributary ship working as pilots.

There is zero point in holding any talks with Communist China until they recognize the FACT that under international law the Senkaku islands are inalienable Japanese territory. Simple as that.

GoodlucktoyouToday  10:33 am JST

Talking is good.

1.3billion people have a right to eat their fish.

Yes, THEIR fish. Not the fish in other countries' waters by claiming it as theirs.

A wise and responsible Chinese govt will do the best to secure a good relationship with Japan for future generations.

Just corrected the above to how it was meant to be stated.

I think China wants to apologize to Japan for the provocations over the Senkaku's and promise to respect Japanese sovereignty in the future.

Or maybe they expect Japan to hand the islands over to China.

Good China or bad China. I wonder which it will be. Probably bad.

Well initiating talks is a lot better than declaring Japan secretly has weapons of mass destruction then invading the country killing hundreds of thousands of people.

PM Abe should include Taiwan for the talks.

He should not betray the most Nippon-friendly people in this earth for the second and third time.

He should not follow what the Americans did to 'allies' the Kurds and ROC-Taiwan.

Better still Abe should give Tiauyutai back to the rightful owner Ilan county of Taiwan!

If Japan neglects Taiwan on this island talks then Tokyo is just another da-kine bully like Beijington.

i@nToday  02:30 pm JST

Well initiating talks is a lot better than declaring Japan secretly has weapons of mass destruction then invading the country killing hundreds of thousands of people.

Even if your weapon fantasy were true, Japan has the first paragraph of Article 9 which prohibits starting any war. It's too bad for the whole world that China does not have such a constitution.

Lol talk about stupid

VERY good directions.

China is just too sexy for its own shirt:

"F35B WIH IZUMO CLASS - JAPAN's ANSWER TO CHINA !"

"https://www.youtube.com/watch?edufilter=NULL&frags=wn&v=YIy4MLRxgh4"

@Peeing_Tom

"F35B WIH IZUMO CLASS - JAPAN's ANSWER TO CHINA !"

Izumo can be sunk by PLAN in an hour.

Ditto for PLAN carriers.

No aircraft carrier is survivable in East China Sea and South China Sea, US carriers inclusive.

If you really want to prepare for war, invest in nuclear submarines, not aircraft carriers.

Better to jaw, jaw than war, war.

Talking is good.

But fails to resolve issues in a timely manner or outcome you want. Otherwise, out of exhaustion or frustrations from too much talking, you are willing to surrender and submit to their terms. How long do you want this dragged out? Another 70 - 75 years?

What if China decides "no more talking", and wants to grab the Islands now? What is Japan going to do? Continue talking and filing useless protests to the impotent UN?

Basically talking is good, it helps to ease tensions. But Japan should not discuss the subject of Senkaku, it will look like as Japan admits the islands are dispured territory. Discuss the situation in the East China Sea, that's fine, but about Senkaku the message must be short and clear: stop coming, end of conversation.

Asakaze,

There's no room for talks with China on the Senkaku issue? That may be an official stance taken by Tokyo.

If someone found a lost item, which he kept for years, until a claimant appears saying the item belonged to him because of such and such reasons and so must be returned to him immediately.

If it was the Tsushima islands, I could understand what you say. But it's the Senkakus, not the Tsushimas, that are at issue here. The latter are bona fide Japanese territories and there’s no room for talks over its sovereignty with any third party country.

(The second paragraph has been amended.)

If someone found a lost item, which he kept for years, until a claimant appears saying the item belonged to him because of such and such reasons and so must be returned to him immediately, shouldn't there be talks to verify the claimant's reasoning of ownership?

@voiceofokinawa

There's no room for talks with China on the Senkaku issue?

Exactly. What's the point of talking if China just wants to take the islands? What to say to them, "please be nice"?

If someone found a lost item

Historical discussions should be held among historians. No need to take it to the political level.

Asakaze,

Historical discussions should be held among historians. No need to take it to the political level.

But both sides claim the Senkakus/Diaoyudaos have been an integral part of their country historically and under international law. So the Senkaku issue must be discussed in terms of history and international law.

@voiceofokinawa

But both sides claim the Senkakus/Diaoyudaos have been an integral part of their country

From the point of international law all issues, including territorial, were settled by post-WWII agreements between China and Japan. China started to claim the islands only in 1970s, when they learned about huge reserves of oil in the area.

Asakaze,

Thank you for giving me a chance to read the Japan-China Joint Communique of 1972 and the 1978 Japan-China Friendship Treaty. But nowhere is there any mention of the Senkaku Islands. When Kakuei Tanaka tried to bring up the subject of the Senkakus, Zhou Enlai interrupted him by saying that issue should be solved by future generations who are smarter than our current generations.

I don't know whether the current generations are smarter than the preceding ones, but certainly this is the time when the Senkaku issue must be solved through dialogue and diplomacy.