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Japan considers deploying long-range missiles to counter China: report

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Why not.

23 ( +31 / -8 )

DO IT ALREADY !!

18 ( +24 / -6 )

If China has missiles pointed at Japan, and we all know they do, Japan also having missiles pointed at China is the only thing that will keep China from ever firing them.

26 ( +32 / -6 )

Excellent move.

It is vital that Japan has sufficient missiles to reliably hit the Asian continent - should they be needed. Because make no mistake: several of Japans enemies there have multiple missiles permanently trained on her.

20 ( +28 / -8 )

The arms, launched by ships or aircraft, would be stationed mainly around the southern Nansei islands and capable of reaching the coastal areas of North Korea and China, the Yomiuri said

Gee, thanks for giving away the positions to the enemy, idiots.

5 ( +12 / -7 )

So the US wants Japan to put missiles on or near a remote bunch of islands?

China is not a military threat to Japan. It is however an unbeatable economic threat to the USA hence the need for China to be an enemy.

-24 ( +11 / -35 )

Japan is considering the deployment of 1,000 long-range cruise missiles to boost its counterattack capability against China, the Yomiuri newspaper reported on Sunday.

Won't happen, and not necessary anyway.

Japan carries the biggest stick in the East.

The USA military forces.

-16 ( +3 / -19 )

China considering 3000+ missiles aiming at Japan in response!

-18 ( +5 / -23 )

So the US wants Japan to put missiles on or near a remote bunch of islands?

The US has nothing to do with this but it is clear that some believe everything that everyone does is because of the US. Japan is doing this because of China.

China is not a military threat to Japan. It is however an unbeatable economic threat to the USA hence the need for China to be an enemy.

China has militarized the South China sea by building islands and fortifying them with long range missiles, having missiles aimed at Taiwan, Japan and South Korea at all times. I would say China is a military threat to the entire region and everyone in it. China is also an economic threat to the entire world as it weaponized trade to coerce others like Japan, Australia, Lithuania and recently Taiwan.

Japan is simply leveling the field somewhat by getting long range missiles that can reply to China and North Korea should the need arise. That is fair enough but i would have more than 1000 in the stockpile. If a shooting war started that would be gone in a week. Make sure Japan can make 100% of the missiles domestically.

24 ( +26 / -2 )

China has ICBM & SLBM can flew 10000+ km to attack the western hemisphere, if Japan thinks China will afraid of their 1000 flying balloons, they are stupid enough.

By the way, the H20 stealth bomber will take first flight at latter this year, it should be in service in 5 years.

Mark my words!

-25 ( +3 / -28 )

The US, the nation that dropped nuclear bombs and then Agent Orange on Vietnam (and on Cambodia and Laos along border areas) while utilizing Okinawa (Ryukyu), is blighted with high homicide, 107,000 overdose deaths in a 12-month period, half a million homeless, mass killings, and endless race-baiting along with gender confusion.

America and its usual allies have spread death and division in North Africa, the Middle East, East Europe, and South America (America supported vile right-wing death squads).

Japan is being dragged into America's containment policy of China.

The most war-mongering nation on this earth can't even protect its own border. Instead, take the knee Biden incites at home while supporting divisions internationally.

Japan should develop relations with all nations in Northeast Asia where possible.

LDP is dragging the nation down after three squandered economic decades. The only thing left for the LDP is nationalism - Japan really deserves better.

America out, LDP out!

America (highest debt in the world) and Japan (highest per ratio of debt in the world).

Go figure!

Military Defense Report in Japan points to increasing US-created problems http://moderntokyotimes.com/military-defense-report-in-japan-points-to-increasing-us-created-problems/

-18 ( +8 / -26 )

China has ICBM & SLBM can flew 10000+ km to attack the western hemisphere, if Japan thinks China will afraid of their 1000 flying balloons, they are stupid enough.

By the way, the H20 stealth bomber will take first flight at latter this year, it should be in service in 5 years.

Yeah, but since they are all made in china, they're not reliable and most likely will blow up in your own faces.

14 ( +19 / -5 )

China and Pooh bears aggressive policies are having the reverse effect of pushing all their neighbours in to strengthening their defences, the they whine because someone is doing something to protect them selves from Chinese aggression. China is unnecessarily making the region and the world a less safe place.

The decision is a purely Japanese one, the USA has no influence on it though China by its actions has a great deal of influence on it!

I agree their needs to be more than 1000 and they need to be made in Japan of Japanese or other reliable sourced parts to mitigate any possible supply chain disruption.

12 ( +15 / -3 )

Stop with the panels and discussions, and just DO it. If it is for defense, even as a potential deterrent, then I don't believe there is any problem with it. May upset China, sure, but China is going to do what it's going to do -- the missiles certainly won't deter THAT.

6 ( +13 / -7 )

1,000 km gets you to a coastal province like Fijian and Zhejiang. How many years until Japan’s military “needs” a 3,000 km missile to strike the interior of China? I just don’t see the Japanese public supporting escalation

-4 ( +4 / -8 )

The US, the nation that dropped nuclear bombs and then Agent Orange on Vietnam (and on Cambodia and Laos along border areas) while utilizing Okinawa (Ryukyu), is blighted with high homicide, 107,000 overdose deaths in a 12-month period, half a million homeless, mass killings, and endless race-baiting along with gender confusion.

This made me laugh. Lol it’s almost copy and paste from the CCP on Twitter.

16 ( +18 / -2 )

Redstorm,China will obliterate Japan ,in 15 minutes of an attack from Japan,you can not modify the distance of a cruise missile,,you, Japanese do not make cruise missile

-14 ( +2 / -16 )

The nuclear umbrella provided by the US is sooooo overrated. (#sarcasm)

@deanzaZZR

1,000 km gets you to a coastal province like Fijian and Zhejiang. How many years until Japan’s military “needs” a 3,000 km missile to strike the interior of China? I just don’t see the Japanese public supporting escalation

Exactly. Especially if it comes to install these missiles "somewhere", will suddenly the locals switch to NIMBY-mode with the oyajis in parliament backing out due to fear of losing feathers in the next election.

-5 ( +2 / -7 )

Peter14,only the US manufacturing cruise missile for Japanese

-10 ( +1 / -11 )

deanzaZZRToday  06:41 pm JST

1,000 km gets you to a coastal province like Fijian and Zhejiang. How many years until Japan’s military “needs” a 3,000 km missile to strike the interior of China? I just don’t see the Japanese public supporting escalation

Japan doesn't need the capability to decimate all of China. All it needs is enough to serve as a deterent, to keep China from taking aggressive action. Japanese public support is a function of China's further actions and behavior.

9 ( +12 / -3 )

(Joe) finds Agent Orange and dropping nuclear bombs funny! A strange sense of humor.

Oh, how boring to distract from endless warmongering by America.

Past LDP leaders focused on Yoshida Shigeru's theory of economics, economics, and economics. However, after three squandered economic decades then the LDP is increasingly looking to nationalism.

Look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria (US-supported proxies), Yemen (Obama and over 100 billion in military arms sales to fuel the war), and so on.

America and its allies are creating failed states. After getting bored they move on to another nation to destabilize. Meanwhile, 107,000 overdose deaths in America and high homicide...what a mess!

-14 ( +2 / -16 )

Japan is capable of making its own cruise-type missiles.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Japan-starts-to-extend-range-of-its-missiles-to-over-1-000-km

6 ( +8 / -2 )

@Saori, I find people who quote CCP talking points as funny.

Speaking as an American 99% don’t want war, however we won’t be bullied by the likes of Russia and China.

It easy to cherry pick statistics. You forgot a few The USA is the donates the most money to the United Nations, foreign aid, has the largest economy, leads the world in medical and Scientific research.

China caused this problem by making and weaponization of islands in the pacific, not respecting their neighbor’s boundaries, stealing lord know how much intellectual property from business.

12 ( +14 / -2 )

Japan wants a summit with China, then considers pointing missiles at China. What kind of summit will any summit be?

-7 ( +5 / -12 )

Wesley,if I have a problem with the Chinese, government,I would deal with them personally,I do not live in Japan,I live in America,we expect our government to protect us from attack by default

-6 ( +2 / -8 )

Wesley,who showed Japan respect, people see Japan as their ATM machine

-9 ( +1 / -10 )

As if Japan could win a war against China. Just don't provoke China. And remember, the USA has not won a war since WWII, so think about that.

-12 ( +2 / -14 )

I have a better idea. Give each Japanese family a book by Clive Hamilton, "Silent Invasion".

I guarantee you will get better results.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

What happened to diplomacy . . . ?

0 ( +3 / -3 )

As if Japan could win a war against China. Just don't provoke China. And remember, the USA has not won a war since WWII, so think about that

china should not provoke the rest of the world. It won't be just Japan fighting back.

And since you brought up USA & WWII, just remember, every china-nese owes his life to the Americans. If it wasn't for the USA defeating Japan, your grandmother would have given birth to half-Japanese kids. And who knows, maybe you won't even have been born.

So be grateful to the Americans that you are even alive today.

9 ( +12 / -3 )

37.947,130.883 is the equidistant, between Tokyo and the Equidistant between the capital of China and NK

-6 ( +1 / -7 )

Udondashi

I have a better idea. Give each Japanese family a book by Clive Hamilton, "Silent Invasion"

THIS should be mandatory reading in every country, especially Japan, Australia and US.

Great post, Udondashi.

5 ( +5 / -0 )

Wesley,was the book published in China,like most are

-12 ( +0 / -12 )

Should have done this long ago, Japan! But it is not too late, just need to go full force. 1,000 is for a start. Give some to Taiwan too. They will sell you the good chips. Put a lot in Vietnam. And India. Store some in Australia to use in the Malacca Strait.

4 ( +7 / -3 )

Xin, cruise missile are launch by ship or sub,where will get more ship to launch them

-7 ( +0 / -7 )

What war is this for? Just let the Chinese try and invade mainland Japan if casualties are the goal.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

China is now orbiting the moon

They are also crashing their spacecraft into earth...and not having the decency to warn other countries about it.

Like I said, made in china.

7 ( +9 / -2 )

“ Japan, which interprets its war-renouncing postwar constitution to mean it may use its military only for self-defense, has stepped up its military spending and taken a more assertive strategy in recent years. But it has refrained from deploying long-range missiles, among its limits on weapons that can strike targets on foreign soil. “

Article 9 needs to go. asap.

..

“ Regional tensions ratcheted up this month after a visit by Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, to Taiwan, “

Thank you, Nancy.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Japan considers deploying long-range missiles to counter China

Japan should have done it alrady like 10 years ago.

6 ( +6 / -0 )

Playing the US geopolitical game, pathetic..

And the war loving losers happpy with that..

-8 ( +1 / -9 )

Playing the US geopolitical game, pathetic..

The only pathetic thing is china's bullying and supplying n.korea with weapons to fire at S.Korea & Japan. Not to mention the rape & torture of Tibetian nuns, xinjiang women, falongong women.

And so what if Japan plays the US geopolitcal game? A strong US is better than a bully china.

9 ( +10 / -1 )

Japan has nothing China needs. Why is Japan wanting to antagonize now???

-7 ( +0 / -7 )

Japan has nothing China needs. Why is Japan wanting to antagonize now???

Just the top half of the 1st island chain, no big deal, eh?

And when has Japan “antagonized” China since 1945?

4 ( +5 / -1 )

Japan has nothing China needs.

You are thinking in Western ideology. The US and it’s allies do not fight wars to gain territory.

China, on the other hand, has gaining territories that it unilaterally claims to have historic rights to, as the main reason for it’s military expansion.

5 ( +5 / -0 )

And when has Japan “antagonized” China since 1945?

There isn't much that doesn't antagonize China.

Referring to Taiwan as a 'country' really annoys them.

4 ( +5 / -1 )

China, on the other hand, has gaining territories that it unilaterally claims to have historic rights to, as the main reason for it’s military expansion.

And what countries has China invaded recently? And in how many countries/territories do they have bases in?

Meanwhile, the West led by America has been antagonising China (and Russia) for some time now.

They will get their war. That's what they want.

-6 ( +0 / -6 )

And what countries has China invaded recently? And in how many countries/territories do they have bases in?

Tibet, Vietnam, Mongolia, and the Uyghurs to name a few.

US military bases around the world are part of defense treaties or at the request of the hosting nation.

Name me one country that requests for a Chinese military presence.

4 ( +6 / -2 )

@ tora Japan has nothing China needs

If you truly believed that, then tell your communist comrades to stop stealing from Japanese tech and making cheap imitations of Japanese products.

Did you know that Deng Xiaoping actually invited & begged the Japanese to come over to china and teach china-nese how to make good steel factories? Before the Japanese came over to teach you guys a lesson, china steel factories made really crude and poor steel products that broke easily. It was actually the Japanese who taught chinanese how to improve.

Sadly, despite their teachings, china still makes lousy, cheap, low quality products. Because to chinanese, being greedy and making easy money is more important than quality of products.

So, it is stupid of you to say that Japan has nothing that china needs. If this was true, why do you guys rush over to buy outstanding Japanese products? Eg, baby formula.

Because china people trust Japanese products more than their own country's products.

6 ( +7 / -1 )

Wanting to defend themselves against china's bullying isn't being "nationalistic". It's called self-preservation.

And a chinanese calling Japanese "nationalistic" is like a pot calling the kettle black.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

"westley - yeah, but since they are all made in china, they're not reliable and most likely will blow up in your own faces."

exactly to the point, you know china so well. enjoy reading your comments.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Develop some nuclear heads to put on them, while you're at it, Japan! North Korea has nuclear bombs, China has nuclear bombs, Russia has nuclear bombs and none are your friend. If a war starts out by this coalition against Japan, South Korea might happily join them, just in spite. So yeah...

-3 ( +0 / -3 )

In a word, YES!

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

 Japanese do not make cruise missile

Au contraire, Japan builds and fields several of its own cruise missiles. The JGSDF brings their Type 88s to the US every year to shoot them on the instrumented test ranges on the west coast. They have air launched anti-ship cruise missiles and recently introduced a ducted rocket ramjet cruise missile, the ASM-3 that is receiving an upgrade to extend its range.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

And what countries has China invaded recently? And in how many countries/territories do they have bases in?

China has bases in Djibouti, Tajikistan and is building a base in the Wakan Corridor in northern Afghanistan. The Chinese think they have bases in Sri Lanka and the Solomon Islands but time will tell on these. The Chinese consulate in Tahiti functions as an electronics intelligence / signals intelligence outpost, a fact that has caused a long running dispute with the French government in addition to overstaying the lease on the villa they have been using, refusing to vacate when the owner refused to extend the lease calling it "sovereign Chinese soil".

3 ( +5 / -2 )

Xin, cruise missile are launch by ship or sub,where will get more ship to launch them.

Cruise missiles are launched from land, from ships or subs at sea or from aircraft. The INF Treaty outlawed land based cruise missiles but China and many other nations were never signatories to this treaty. The US had a land based version of Tomahawk that was removed from service as a result of the INF treaty. Japan has had a land based cruise missile in service, the Type 90, for decades. Other nations like Norway use missiles like NSM (Naval Strike Missile) from truck mounted launchers for coastal defense. The Swedes use their RBS-15 the same way. The RBS-15 Mk4 is just now being introduced but the RBS-15 series, much like Tomahawk and Harpoon, goes back to the 1980s.

The US Marines are buying Norwegian JSMs (Joint Strike Missile, the successor to the NSM modified to fit the F-35 weapons bay) to launch from autonomous trucks for use against ships. The US Army is buying Tomahawks for land attack now that the INF Treaty is defunct.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

Its vital that Japan has sufficient missiles to reliably hit the Asia continent

These long range missiles can only travel 1000km.

So obviously they wouldn't be able to reach anywhere on the Asia continent.

Take for instance that Saudi Arabia is part of Asia but the distance from Okinawa to Saudia is 8,170km

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

Iam curious if the cruise missiles they are considering purchasing are the USA made SLCM-N cruise missiles that can carry a nuclear warhead ?

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

Why is Japan wanting to antagonize now???

Curious just what you think Japan is doing to antagonize China? It can not be Japan looking to acquire longer range missiles of a type China has had for decades. It would make no sense for China to be upset with Japan for that. It would make sense for Japan to be antagonized by China greatly expanding the number of Nuclear silo's and warheads China has. China continues to antagonize Japan by sailing and flying in Japanese administered territory and firing off missiles into Japanese EEZ waters.

You would be better off asking just why China is wanting to antagonize Japan and the entire region now? When it does so it encourages nations to spend more on their defense and to view China with great suspicion. China says one thing but then turns and does the opposite.

Japan is within it's rights to develop longer range missile's and China can say nothing against it given it's continued arms buildup and plans to invade Taiwan for territorial expansion.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

@elephant200 The question is does it all work? They have a H20 stealth bomber H20 means water that's where it will end up! China's IC BM works just like Russia fielded equipment looks good in the field it fires it works then fizzles out!! Good fire works show!

China has ICBM & SLBM can flew 10000+ km to attack the western hemisphere, if Japan thinks China will afraid of their 1000 flying balloons, they are stupid enough.

By the way, the H20 stealth bomber will take first flight at latter this year, it should be in service in 5 years.

Mark my words!

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Iam curious if the cruise missiles they are considering purchasing are the USA made SLCM-N cruise missiles that can carry a nuclear warhead ?

SLCMs were withdrawn from active deployment and placed in storage right after the end of the Cold War. Some, probably the ones with the most service life left, were converted to carry conventional warheads. The last SLCM-N was disposed of in 2012 or 2013. There are currently no nuclear Tomahawks in service or in storage. The proposed program to build a new SLCM-N is still being debated in Congress.

Japan builds it's own ducted rocket ramjet cruise missile, the ASM-3 that could be ground launched. Japan also has the Type 90 subsonic turbojet powered cruise missile currently with a range of 150 km that could be upgraded to a longer range configuration. Type 90 is very much like the RGM-84 Harpoon, a shorter ranged smaller and and lighter analog to the larger and longer ranged Tomahawk. Same sausage sliced to a different length.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

By the way, the H20 stealth bomber will take first flight at latter this year, it should be in service in 5 years

The first B-21 Raider is undergoing ground testing at Plant 42 in Palmdale right now and at least five more are on the production line.

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